| One man to blame in UFC-Fedor breakdown
Posted: 8/5/2009 1:30:46 PM | | And for those of you who keep saying that Fedor beats his opponents more than Brock does?? LOL at you. Look at Mir's face after the Brock fight and compare it to Sylvia's face after he got beat down by Fedor. | |
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| One man to blame in UFC-Fedor breakdown
Posted: 8/5/2009 1:46:30 PM | A typical Zuffa **** would say that he needs to fight in the UFC to prove himself, even though he has knocked off 5 former UFC heavyweight champions, and beat big names in the prime of their career.
Even if he signed with the UFC look at their heavyweight division its weak. With the exception of Lesnar because if he lost everyone would say he beat a rookie, etc.
Kongo- no ground, enough said
Carwin- unproven, knocking out Gonzaga proves nothing
Cain- he’s what 5-0 biggest win was Kongo, who he sat on for 3 rounds, not impressed
Mir- good ground, improved stand up, not as good as Fedor is
Randy- was offered 3 mill by Bodog turned it down, and at 47 I’m not convinced he will even beat Nog
Cro Cop- beaten him before, and he has lost his edge, don't like his chances
Gonzaga- one knock out head kick and everyone thinks he is so great, done nothing since. Don't think I missed anyone, so tell me what does beating these guys prove?
At least in Strickforce he will fight, Overeem, Rogers, Werdum, Buntello, and with the dream partnership the possbility of Barnett. Only the UFC fans are calling him a ****, they need to go out and better understand the world of MMA, there is more to it than the UFC. | |
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| One man to blame in UFC-Fedor breakdown
Posted: 8/5/2009 5:40:24 PM | The M-1 co-promotion thing was weak. If that's all that stood in the way, I'm kind of peeved. But Fedor probably made the best long term business decision he and his manager could come up with. He's got a few more fights under contract with M-1, maybe he'll fulfill that contract at Strikeforce, then come to UFC. From a marketing standpoint, if Fedor cleans up the Strikeforce heavyweight division, and Brock continues to win at the UFC, it's only going to make their clash more insane. There's still hope. Maybe in a year we'll see Fedor in the UFC. I will be surprised if Brock is still champ in 2 or 3 more fights, though.
By the way, Fedor is the best heavyweight in the world. He's a victim of his own success. And the fact he looks like a pudgy postal worker. He's one of, if not THE, most sophisticated strategist in MMA, capable of many styles. If he were to say in a pre-fight interview with Brock "I noticed some holes in his game that I hope to capitalize on" there would be no doubt in my mind he'd win.
People are saying Fedor might fight Mousasi. That would kind of be a bummer for me. I like them both. | |
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| One man to blame in UFC-Fedor breakdown
Posted: 8/6/2009 6:00:07 AM |
LOL at you. Look at Mir's face after the Brock fight and compare it to Sylvia's face after he got beat down by Fedor.
Fedor finished Tim in 36 seconds. Brock didn't even come close to that.
Fedor would most likey beat Mir just as quick if not quicker than he did Sylvia.
Mir is average at best.
Werdum and Overeem are good competition.
Just as good as Cain or Carwin. | |
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| One man to blame in UFC-Fedor breakdown
Posted: 8/6/2009 7:23:20 PM | UFC fanboys are so f*cking annoying. Dont get me wrong.. I love the ufc, but for the love of god open your eyes to the world of mma if you claim to be true fans of the sport.
There is much much more out there then the ufc and its stable of fighters, I really dont understand all this Fedor hate.. The man has finished his last 7 fights with 6 of them in the 1st round and 3 of those were in under 2 mins!!
What more do you want!!! Like seriously. O lemme guess.. You want him to beat Champions to prove hes king right.. What.. 5 former UFC HW Champs isnt enough?
Or how about the fact that he has never lost any of the Championships that he has won and is the last Pride HW Champion with multiple defenses to his claim.
He has an official record of 30-1-1 NC with 21 1st round victorys. Yes thats 21.
So whats left... Well, go to Strikeforce fight 3 more top guys over the next 14 months ro so and continue to build his legacy as the greatest ever.
O... I forgot... He's "ducking" top guys tho... Hmm.. Someone better tell him that cause I think he missed the memo.
The bottom line is.. No one can even hold a candle to him. As the saying goes.. Once your at the top there is only one way to go... Well Fedor has seemingly been defying the odds for over 6 years. (when he won the pride hw title with a record of 13-1)
Lets see his 'biggest competition' Brock win another 9 straight fights giving him that 13-1 record to even be mentioned in the same breath as Fedor.
For now... Lets agree to disagree. | |
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| One man to blame in UFC-Fedor breakdown
Posted: 8/7/2009 5:01:50 AM | No one knows why Fedor didn't end up in the UFC. Only the people involved in the negotiation's. As stated before, Fedor owns a certain percentage of M-1 global. He's got to look at this from a business stand point. He's doing what's best for him.
Fedor is being attacked because everyone wanted Fedor/Lesnar so badly. As a fan, I'm disappointed too. But as we've all learned, life doesn't always work out that way. I suspect in a year, we'll see that fight.
Who Knows, Brock cleans out the UFC heavyweight division, and Fedor cleans out the Strikeforce/Dream/M-1 Heavyweight division. Fedor sign's with UFC for a super fight.
That fight would be much bigger then than now anyway. Could be wishful thinking, but it's still very possible.
I see alot of people attacking Fedor's credibility as the best MMA heavyweight. I personally believe he is the best. I also think he's the only guy who could beat Brock Lesnar. No one in the UFC is going to beat Brock. Shane Carwin IS NOT going to beat him. He's way too slow... | |
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| One man to blame in UFC-Fedor breakdown
Posted: 8/7/2009 12:01:36 PM | | Carwin is going to give Brock a lot of problems tho.. The fight will start on the feet and I believe Carwin will have an advantage there, Brocks standup looks average and I see him getting caught. I also dont see Brock bullying the same size foe on the ground as he did Mir. | |
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| One man to blame in UFC-Fedor breakdown
Posted: 8/9/2009 6:14:00 AM | Ignore them. The haters say whatever Dana says.
Fighting on Showtime means nothing.
But fighting a guy with 5 fights means everything. ........................................... | |
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| One man to blame in UFC-Fedor breakdown
Posted: 8/9/2009 1:46:56 PM | The UFC is where the vast majority of the top MMA fighters are, in every weight class - with the possible exception of heavyweight. Overeem has some skill, and Brett Rogers looks to be StrikeForce's Lesnar. But the pool looks thin after that, whereas the UFC has all the TUF heavyweights coming up.
Fedor should stop listening to Finkelstein and the rest of the gangsters in M-1. Even his brother figured that out, LOL. | |
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| One man to blame in UFC-Fedor breakdown
Posted: 8/9/2009 3:22:22 PM | Yeah cause the ufc is the be all and end all of mma right
No, but then the NFL isn't the end all be of football either. It's just where the majority of the elite talent gravitates. | |
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| One man to blame in UFC-Fedor breakdown
Posted: 8/9/2009 5:03:41 PM |
No, but then the NFL isn't the end all be of football either. It's just where the majority of the elite talent gravitates.
Not a very good comparison. Far as football goes, NFL is it. American style football isn't really a world wide phenomenon. Whereas MMA is bigger in Japan than it is in the States. UFC has the best LHW and welterweight classes. Most of the world's best lightweights fight in Japan. UFC's heavyweight division is looking better, but half, maybe even most, of the top 10 heavyweights are not currently UFC fighters. Talent is still spread out. | |
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| One man to blame in UFC-Fedor breakdown
Posted: 8/9/2009 5:47:10 PM |
Most of the world's best lightweights fight in Japan
Who's ranking are you using, bro? In every top-10 lightweight MMA fighter ranking *I* have seen (Sherdog, FanHouse, MMA Weekly, etc), the UFC has at least 6 out of 10. Unless you have a non-standard definition of "most", I have to disagree with you.
Same thing with the middleweights. | |
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| One man to blame in UFC-Fedor breakdown
Posted: 8/9/2009 6:25:40 PM |
Who's ranking are you using, bro? In every top-10 lightweight MMA fighter ranking *I* have seen (Sherdog, FanHouse, MMA Weekly, etc), the UFC has at least 6 out of 10. , Well, since you mention MMA Weekly:
#1 Lightweight Fighter in the World: Shinya Aoki
2. Eddie Alvarez
3. B.J. Penn
4. Tatsuya Kawajiri
5. Joachim Hansen
6. Kenny Florian
7. Gesias "JZ" Calvancante
8. Josh Thomson
9. Frankie Edgar
10. Diego Sanchez 7 out of the 10 are non-UFC. Not sure how old this one is but it's what's there now. BJ should be at the top.
Sherdog's current ranking, UFC has 5 out of 10. And I don't really agree with the Sherdog rankings, I think Thomson and Melendez should be in there over Edgar and Maynard. | |
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| One man to blame in UFC-Fedor breakdown
Posted: 8/9/2009 6:52:16 PM |
7 out of the 10 are non-UFC. Not sure how old this one is but it's what's there now. BJ should be at the top.
At least until the Aoki vs Hansen fight in October, the winner of that fight should be ranked #1 IMO | |
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| One man to blame in UFC-Fedor breakdown
Posted: 8/9/2009 8:53:51 PM | Chauncey -
OK, it looks like the one I saw was older, I guess. I was thinking more of the Sherdog rankings, anyway. But how the hell does MMA weekly have Shinya Aoki over BJ Penn - especially now? WTF. Aoki, with no kind of stand-up, would get destroyed by Penn. | |
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| One man to blame in UFC-Fedor breakdown
Posted: 8/10/2009 1:52:27 AM | ^ I agree. But not because he doesn't have stand up necessarily, the dudes got arguably the slickest submissions in MMA, but they would be more or less worthless against BJ. He's still top 5, though.
I would love to see a tournament in UFC. I know it's never going to happen, but even if they alternated so LW, WW, MW, LHW, and HW did it once every 5 years, it would be great. Not going to happen though.
edit: my bad, 6 out of 10 are non-UFC | |
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| One man to blame in UFC-Fedor breakdown
Posted: 8/11/2009 6:29:31 PM | I think all in all, Fedor has simply fallen for his own hype.
What fighter in UFC gets half of promotional profits??? That's craziness. All in all, Fedor is just another fighter. His big pay days will decrease, because UFC is the big show. You don't see football players in some rag tag league telling the NFL "I'll come play for you, but I'm gonna need a little extra on the back end". A real competitor would want to be where the best is, so that he could prove that he's the best. He's not starving, and he's not scraping by for food. What he's become is greedy, and probably a bit comfortable in his position. Outside of the UFC, he's the biggest dog there is. But, I think in the back of his mind, he may, above his desire to picky back his company on the UFC, have his doubts about what his fortunes may be once he steps into the Octagon.
I think Fedor is an amazing fighter, and I'd like to see him in the UFC to see how he does, but I can't blame Dana one bit from not letting one guy come in and turn his entire business on it's ear. It just wouldn't make sense. There are guys I can think of who'd be much more deserving than Fedor, and they end with names like Couture, Lidell, Gracie, Shamrock...why should Fedor get a slice of the pie that they never got, or don't get?
As far as I'm concerned, until he says "Screw it. Let's do this, 4 fight contract is more than enough to bring the entire heavyweight division to it's knees" then he's just some dude rumored to be the best, but unwilling to prove it. | |
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| One man to blame in UFC-Fedor breakdown
Posted: 8/11/2009 10:09:06 PM | | Fedor does not base his decisions on money. Why cant ppl understand that???? Go to Russia sometime and you will see that their way of life is 100% different from ours.. I would know.. I was there twice last year. | |
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| One man to blame in UFC-Fedor breakdown
Posted: 8/11/2009 10:13:48 PM |
What fighter in UFC gets half of promotional profits??? That's craziness. All in all, Fedor is just another fighter. His big pay days will decrease, because UFC is the big show. Fighters have made more in other promotions. And he wasn't asking for half the profits. What has been verified more or less is that M-1 wanted to co-promote.
You don't see football players in some rag tag league telling the NFL "I'll come play for you, but I'm gonna need a little extra on the back end". In the NFL, there are 32 NFL teams, each with their own agenda (desire to win), the player can go to these teams and say he'll play for the highest bidder. This is standard.
A real competitor would want to be where the best is, so that he could prove that he's the best. Sports is also a big business. And Fedor is a businessman. In business, the objective is to make the best deal possible thinking both long term and short term. The word is Fedor is not only an owner of M-1, but he's also contractually obligated to fight under the M-1 banner for a few more fights. Lets flip this, if Brock wants to prove he's the best, he would want to fight Fedor and Barnett, but even if he wanted to, UFC wouldn't let him fight in Strikeforce.
There are guys I can think of who'd be much more deserving than Fedor, and they end with names like Couture, Lidell, Gracie, Shamrock...why should Fedor get a slice of the pie that they never got, or don't get? He's the most revered fighter in the world. MMA is bigger than the UFC. Those other fighters aren't in the same league as Fedor.
As far as I'm concerned, until he says "Screw it. Let's do this, 4 fight contract is more than enough to bring the entire heavyweight division to it's knees" then he's just some dude rumored to be the best, but unwilling to prove it. That's the problem, a lot of people only follow the UFC. They don't realize Fedor is the best HW out there. If the UFC monopolized boxing in the USA and refused to sign Manny Pacquioa, UFC fans would say that Manny is nothing. | |
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| One man to blame in UFC-Fedor breakdown
Posted: 8/19/2009 10:16:36 PM | | That is one of the big problems most people would rather watch a repeat UFC card, than watch Strikeforce, Dream, K-1, or any other MMA promotion, so when you mention certain top fighters in other organizations, people have no clue who you are talking about and say that they are nothing because they don't fight in the UFC. | |
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