| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/9/2009 4:14:32 PM | Spiritual powers are bs, they don't exist. I watched about one minute of Chris Angel one day and when he walked towards a wall and then up the wall that was enough for me. Wow!! He can defy gravity...amazing. Couldn't possibly be a camera trick...oh no, not at all.  | |
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/9/2009 11:25:16 PM | You know what gets me about guardian angels, why do they save one person but let millions of others die?
I use to be crazy mad in lust with a man, he had a beard he'd had for 20 years, would never shave. One night I dreamed he'd cut off his beard, when I woke up I thought was a weird dream. I saw him that night, he has shaved. Was I psychic I doubt it, most likely he had said something that I hadn't paid much attention to or it was a wish of mine that he would shave (nasty old long scraggly beard) or I was so insanely into him that I picked up on pretty much everything he was doing. I had lots of dreams about him that came true, but again, I was pretty much psycho about the guy and so I was really in tune with him. Psychic powers, hardly. | |
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/10/2009 3:11:58 AM | Had a dream about my flatmate bringing home this woman and baby... The woman had very short, curly hair and big brown eyes... My flatmate told me they had nowhere to go as her parents had kicked them out. Next morning (still dreaming), the baby was crying and woman had gone... My flatmate said we should keep baby for 3 days to see if she returns. Reluctantly, I agreed. Woke up and thought what a weird dream.
Later in the day, I was laughing telling my flatmate about the dream but I noticed a scared look in her face.
Long before we had known eachother, she was coming home from work and bumped into an old school friend and her baby... Exactly same scenerio had occured, description of woman, after 3 days she went down to her parents with the baby and told them she couldn't mind it anymore... They were crying with delight at seeing the baby, because the woman had been pulled from the river liffey that morning... | |
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/10/2009 3:29:20 AM | WoA, reading that just gave me chills all over my body. I am going back to bed now...hope I can sleep. I am up because I have the strangest feeling something is wrong, specifically something with my mom. I woke up half way earlier and could smell a strong herbal smell in my bedroom, but fell back to sleep. That was weird. When I woke up this time I went searching for any oils, or anything that could have been around for me to smell, but nothing is in there, not even a scented candle, which wouldn't have that smell anyway. We live 3 times zones away, so I have to wait til midday to call.
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/10/2009 9:28:48 AM |
It'd be cool, but there is no evidence to back up the existence of spiritual powers.
Telepathy is possible...just because science can't prove it's possible doesn't mean it's bogus...there can be no hard evidence when dealing with "spiritual" phenomena...because these things exist beyond the limitations that science is bound by....
I've experienced clairvoiance...my dad has told me about experiences with telepathy...how could I let science call me a liar just because it's limited to what it can observe and measure.... | |
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/10/2009 10:00:44 AM | Yeah, I believe in telepathy and premonition and they can't tell me it holds no truth... When you are really close to somebody and you have dreams that come true or some freaky coincidences happen, I call that telepathy. When I dream of something and it then happens in exactly the same way I dreamed it, I call it premonition.
There have been studies of psychic abilities that showed promises but either they were buried by science's no nonsense approach or they where buried for security issues. | |
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/10/2009 1:29:20 PM |
What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
I think it's a bunch of nonsense which could be proved in the blink of an eye if there was even one shred of evidence for it.
Science doesn't need an ESP-ray-detector machine to find evidence for ESP. The only thing needed to prove ESP exists is for the "psychic" to tell the pertinent story once and get it right the first time. Every time a "psychic" is asked to demonstrate his or her power for a test , suddenly there's "spiritual interference" or some lame excuse like that. Every single time these con artists have been put to the test they have failed miserably.
Psychics , astrologers , and various other quacks do have one amazing talent though ...they can make your money disappear without you realizing you're being scammed. | |
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/10/2009 1:49:46 PM | That's interesting that you would say that, because everyday in this country psychics are put to test, employed and paid for their consistent and accurate results solving crimes that professional investigators can't, for the many law enforcement agencies.
Never blindly accept blanket negative statements. They are often just some doubters personal opinion, stated forcefully to sway you from the true possibilities. Test every and all waters for yourself. I feel sorry for people who imprison themselves from the true riches this life has to offer and the pleasures of discovering the mysteries at our feet. Life has so few real pleasures and blessings when looked at with such a limiting view.
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Posted: 8/10/2009 3:44:00 PM | Oh yeah, when watching all of those ALL KNOWING programs that back up your opinion, how is it that you have missed the thousands of government documented studies that show a 93% success rate in many psychics they tested and weeded out that was impressive enough to have a special program using them for all sorts of advantages for this country and military?
Lets see, and a study of the most intelligent, successful and wealthiest people shows they consult psychics regularly. Old history and current.
Gosh, that is sooooooo interesting! | |
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/10/2009 4:20:15 PM |
That's interesting that you would say that, because everyday in this country psychics are put to test, employed and paid for their consistent and accurate results solving crimes that professional investigators can't, for the many law enforcement agencies.
How many have ever succeeded ?
To date not one of them has ever provided any pertinent information on a case that wasn't already known. | |
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/10/2009 4:33:45 PM | I find it very amusing that some people say that science can't test it because it's beyond science, and then others says that there is documented evidence that they are accurate 93% of the time. Of course, the research I have done says that there is no evidence like some claim. I don't know of any company that employees psychics and the police and FBI don't have any working for them.
And of course it is testable--all the testimony stories here are about things that can be tested. They can be recorded. So unless you disagree with the people who have put down their experience, you can't say it can't be tested. It can.
And it has found to be unreliable. | |
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/10/2009 4:40:05 PM |
What do you think of spiritual powers?
They are a great basis for fiction
Do they exist?
Only in the minds of those more swayed by confirmation bias and credulity than logic and critical thinking. | |
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/10/2009 4:49:53 PM | because these things exist beyond the limitations that science is bound by....
All someone has to do is repeat their claims under controlled settings where cheating isn't possible in order to provide at least some form of evidence. There's even a million bucks in it for them if they can pull it off before the offer is withdrawn by James Randi, although that has been standing for years now. That isn't a particularly unreasonable request, but no one has been able to do so. Millions of dollars (a lot of which invested by the government) and decades of research have come up empty handed.
People will believe what they want, but I'm going to remain skeptical of such extraordinary claims until they can be proven.
There have been studies of psychic abilities that showed promises but either they were buried by science's no nonsense approach or they where buried for security issues.
The government funded ones were open for over a decade and were shut down because the results showed no evidence that anyone had psychic powers beyond mere guesswork. Tax money was being wasted. Granted, I guess that is as good an investment as some of the other ways the government manages to waste the money it takes from citizens.
That's interesting that you would say that, because everyday in this country psychics are put to test, employed and paid for their consistent and accurate results solving crimes that professional investigators can't, for the many law enforcement agencies.
They've been employed, but no records have ever shown them to be successful in solving a case or providing useful information. Again, they've had decades to supply evidence to support claims like this, but always fail... | |
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/10/2009 6:07:24 PM |
All someone has to do is repeat their claims under controlled settings where cheating isn't possible in order to provide at least some form of evidence. There's even a million bucks in it for them if they can pull it off before the offer is withdrawn by James Randi, although that has been standing for years now.
Take the average, sexually healthy Joe and throw him into a porn flick...lights, camera, audience....and let's see if he "performs".....
Sure...results are unreliable...
Imagine a child grows up never learning how to walk...then one day he figures it would be really cool to try walking....don't you think those first few steps are gonna be unreliable?
Millions of people have experienced different "spiritual powers" at work...they have nothing to gain from sharing their stories...what's the point in claiming they are nuts?
Here's a question for all the hard nosed skeptics out there....how do you explain that feeling EVERYBODY gets when they are being watched? You turn around, and sure enough.....
The right side of the brain needs just as much nurturing as the left side...try jumping out of the logic box and embracing your sense of wonder.... | |
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Posted: 8/10/2009 6:17:12 PM | I have had premonitions in my life, pointless but premonitions nevertheless. It may have happened 5 or 6 times in 30 years...
Will you put me in a lab for another 30 years just in case? | |
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/10/2009 6:23:41 PM |
Take the average, sexually healthy Joe and throw him into a porn flick...lights, camera, audience....and let's see if he "performs".....
Sure...results are unreliable...
That's not how it works, the controlled conditions must be agreed to by both the observer and the subject. As it's been shown that all of these so-called "powers" can be achieved by known natural means (known as mentalism, illusion and fraud), the only controls are those that eliminate natural explanations.
how do you explain that feeling EVERYBODY gets when they are being watched? You turn around, and sure enough.....
Compared to how often there's nothing there?
Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.
Imagine a child grows up never learning how to walk...then one day he figures it would be really cool to try walking....don't you think those first few steps are gonna be unreliable?
Absolutely, and this is not a prediction I would attribute to ESP. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2009 6:26:31 PM |
Here's a question for all the hard nosed skeptics out there....how do you explain that feeling EVERYBODY gets when they are being watched? You turn around, and sure enough.....
Well I've been watched many times and was totally oblivious to it. I've likewise watched many many people and they were totally oblivious to it. Maybe you're in a room full of people and just get a funny feeling...you turn and somebody is looking at you. At any time somebody might be looking at you, big deal, people tend to look around at people. When you saw them looking at you it just reinforced your superstitious nature. When I turn around and see someone looking at me I realize what it is and don't go thinking I'm psychic or clairvoyant. Works much the same way with horoscopes. You read the very generalized predictions and then pick up on sheer coincidences in your daily life and attribute them to the horoscope you read in the morning.
try jumping out of the logic box and embracing your sense of wonder....
I have a great sense of wonder. I see wondrous things all around me all the time, I just don't attribute them to the supernatural. I'd say try jumping out of your superstitious hocus pocus box and embracing your common sense and reason.  | |
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/10/2009 6:40:09 PM | This is not the first time I have written this. This thread has repeated itself many times in various forms.
Just over 30 years ago I was in bed sound asleep when my partner woke me. She was crying. I said what's wrong? She said that someone in her family had just died but she didn't know who. I said it was just a dream. I noted that it was 2:10am. I calmed her down and we went back to sleep. Early that morning we were awoken by a call. Her cousin, whom we had spent the day with before, had been killed in a car accident that night. He was killed instantly. Time of the accident, approximately 2:00am.
Nothing like that has ever happened to me before or since but it sure happened to her. Do I believe, why would I not. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2009 7:07:09 PM | Absolutely, and this is not a prediction I would attribute to ESP.
My point was that we don't attempt to develop ESP in our daily lives...there's no need for it...logic prevails in this world because we need it to function and survive...thus any undeveloped skill is unreliable....
I'd go a step further and argue that anybody trying to make money off of their "spiritual powers" is probably full of shit anyways....no wonder tests fail when they test these self proclaimed professionals....
I don't live in a superstitious box...when it comes to the "supernatural" I don't claim truth....only possibilities...even I'm a little skeptical...but I would never go out of my way to prove it "wrong".....
In the end, the only thing that failed scientific tests prove is that "spiritual powers" are unreliable...unreliable does not = false....
Just over 30 years ago I was in bed sound asleep when my partner woke me. She was crying. I said what's wrong? She said that someone in her family had just died but she didn't know who. I said it was just a dream. I noted that it was 2:10am. I calmed her down and we went back to sleep. Early that morning we were awoken by a call. Her cousin, whom we had spent the day with before, had been killed in a car accident that night. He was killed instantly. Time of the accident, approximately 2:00am.
These things happen all the time...why anybody would go out of their way to call this guy a liar is beyond me....but in the end...if the skeptics around here can also embrace the possibility of this stuff...then we really don't have anything to argue about...
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/10/2009 7:26:12 PM |
My point was that we don't attempt to develop ESP in our daily lives...there's no need for it...logic prevails in this world because we need it to function and survive...
Think of this in terms of evolution.
If in fact this is a trait, is it not an inherited one?
Doesn't ESP give a survival advantage?
Wouldn't we all be psychic by now?
In the end, the only thing that failed scientific tests prove is that "spiritual powers" are unreliable...unreliable does not = false....
Either it works or it's random, if it's random it's not an extra-sensory power Q.E.D.
Science doesn't try to prove something false, neither does the art of debunking, for the simple reason that you can't prove a negative.
This does not imply a positive: unreliable does not = true.
What can be proven is a positive, to date -no positive has been proven.
I am open to the possibility, I have yet to see evidence for it. | |
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/10/2009 7:27:46 PM | SmilingSalmon on 8/10/2009 4  46 PM Subject: What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist? Message: That's interesting that you would say that, because everyday in this country psychics are put to test, employed and paid for their consistent and accurate results solving crimes that professional investigators can't, for the many law enforcement agencies.
LMAO
I did, I laughed out loud when I read this.
There is not one single documented case of a psychic ever helping out an agency of authority and solving a crime that the agencies were unable to solve on their own, due to any sort of "psychic phenomenon".
Sure there have been a few good guesses, and a whole bunch of wrong ones.
Your post.."every day"..."psychics paid for their consistent and accurate results"...
Thanks for the laugh, I needed it..
You're quite misinformed by the way. | |
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/10/2009 7:31:31 PM | ^^^We're skeptic because there's absolutely no proof not because we're not open to the possibility.
Show us ONE documented case of a self-proclaimed psychic telling somebody something that nobody could have known without "psychic" abilities. Just one is a good start.
As to the idea that the psychic's 'stagefright' is the root cause of their inability to perform under controlled conditions , that's rather puzzling. They do it all the time when there are no skeptics in the room (Sylvia Brown comes to mind) | |
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