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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/28/2009 12:02:52 PM | By the way, I can will myself to see "auras" by letting my eyes go slightly out of focus or inducing eye fatigue. Nothing "magical" about that.
As for the "Law of Attraction" . . . to a certain extent there's a very rational explanation. If I walk around frowning & negative, acting grouchy to people, I don't notice when people are nice and people aren't very nice to me. If I walk around smiling, people tend to smile back, which makes me feel good and I smile more. When I'm nice to people, people tend to be nice back and that makes me feel better. No big deal. I don't need "The Secret" to tell me that. As for some other more far-fetched stuff . . . believe what you want but belief isn't fact.
People will have a close call with an accident and believe God or an angel "saved" them. Does this mean God and the angels stand blithely by while bad things happen to good people? "We can't understand the ways of God," they'll offer and excuse. Yep.
Believe what you want but don't call it fact. | |
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/28/2009 12:16:08 PM | Curiously, our local weekly just ran a cover story about a well-known skeptic who has offered $1,000,000 to anyone who can prove their psychic powers. Hundreds have tried but no one has won the money yet.
James Randi Education Foundation, there's another $1,326,500, tacked on to any who pass the challenge. There are similar awards, some dating back over 100 years that have yet to be claimed.
Of course, the psychics always have their excuses. "The spirits did not choose to show themselves today."
Perhaps the spirits just don't believe? 
(intentional fallacy - just making a funny)
No. It's the result of pheromes and this has been demonstrated in scientific experiments.
Actually, the phenomena doesn't even appear to syncronize accurately once the data is corrected for errors. Science even doubts itself, falsifiability means that it's self-correcting. | |
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/28/2009 12:31:03 PM |
Believe what you want but don't call it fact.
Very few people in here are claiming fact.
People will have a close call with an accident and believe God or an angel "saved" them.
Again...religion has nothing to do with this...I think Woody brought up the fact that it's been documented that patients who have people "praying" for them do better...he went on to mention the placebo effect...but didn't mention if they just THINK they do better or ACTUALLY DO BETTER....
This is just the power of positive thought...and if it has been documented in scientific journals...then there's your proof of spiritual powers.....
I tend to lean towards spiritual concepts because I defied the odds as well...but I don't thank "god"...I thank my family.... | |
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/28/2009 12:57:52 PM | Again...religion has nothing to do with this...I think Woody brought up the fact that it's been documented that patients who have people "praying" for them do better...he went on to mention the placebo effect...but didn't mention if they just THINK they do better or ACTUALLY DO BETTER....
Depending on what study
They do better if they're told, but those who are being prayed about and aren't told, don't do any better. It points to placebo in that one. Another had actual negative results compared to the control group, and several have just been "null".
I have my doubts about the methodologies in theses studies. (negative results?).
(see, I even doubt science when it doesn't "add up")
This is just the power of positive thought...and if it has been documented in scientific journals..
This is quite true.
then there's your proof of spiritual powers.....
I don't think I'll conflate "positive thinking" with supernatural just yet, laughter works too, ...
All the definitions I've seen of spiritual involve a "soul", ...yet another problem re: petitio principi
I don't accept the existence of a "soul". | |
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/28/2009 4:01:50 PM | It's not about winning or losing but understanding ~
or it should be anyway ~ Like Kennedy said, "the absence of war does not constitute a peace"
The absence of an argument ~ don't mean you won anything, ~ that's a fallacy in it's self. It could easily as not mean, people got tired of messing with you.
The nice thing about "not knowing" is that you don't feel much of a loss. You are going on what you got.
To be clueless about what you don't know ~ makes you very bright!
There is few here that are clueless from the many post. We know something is "missing" so we search for it! ~ The label "super - natural" has been applied. Perhaps that what it is, I'm not really sure ~ to label what we are look for limits our search.
I think more in terms of energy transfer and storage myself. I don't see it as "super" only natural. ~ Like a baby breathing liquid ~ it's natural.
As we age and grow ~ we develop bias, preconceived notions and prejudge. ~ It's expedient and convenient. ~ We not required to rethink things from yesterday.
It done been done and we've got the tee shirt. Developing and building concepts on a flawed foundation often times. Close but no cigar.
We all do this to degrees ~ It's good to refresh basics ~ as more data keeps coming in.
And science has greatly excelerated in just the last 15 years, thanks in part to people like Bill Gates ~ The personal computer and the inter-net has allows un-thought of communication ~ this rapid exchange of ideas on a global level is mind boggling . ~ That text books are out dated by the time they go to print ~ truly amazing.
We are moving more rapidly then anytime in recorded history. ~
I'll guess in the next 40 years we will unlock and start using a new energy source. ~ Mankind has yet a great history ahead. ~ We got to get off this planet, it cannot be a home for human kind forever.
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/28/2009 10:53:08 PM | What makes you think that spiritual "powers" do not exist? Everyone has these so called powers, however humans have become so out of touch with nature and their true selves. There are examples from all cultures and religions of spiritual power, from history to present.
For example, some Christians believe that ministers, preachers, nuns etc are endowed with powers, chosen for the calling so to speak, and in return are gifted to fu-fill their calling...ordanainces, healers, seers, etc etc. Pardon any spelling errors.
Interesting things to check out would be Doreen Virtue, You Tube-Abraham Hicks, there are numerous examples from all over the world.
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/28/2009 11:35:06 PM |
The nice thing about "not knowing" is that you don't feel much of a loss. You are going on what you got.
To be clueless about what you don't know ~ makes you very bright!
There is few here that are clueless from the many post. We know something is "missing" so we search for it! ~ The label "super - natural" has been applied. Perhaps that what it is, I'm not really sure ~ to label what we are look for limits our search.
How many grapes does it take to fill an elevator shaft?
Molybdenum! Because gamma rays are brown and crunchy.
What makes you think that spiritual "powers" do not exist?
No evidence to confirm, ...many failures in evidence to confirm.
In short - failure.
Everyone has these so called powers, however humans have become so out of touch with nature and their true selves.
The former hasn't been established, making the latter meaningless. - petitio principi - "begging the question"
There are examples from all cultures and religions of spiritual power, from history to present.
You can say the same about fairy tales, ...does that make them true?
For example, some Christians believe that ministers, preachers, nuns etc are endowed with powers, chosen for the calling so to speak, and in return are gifted to fu-fill their calling...ordanainces, healers, seers, etc etc.
I can find tens of thousands of people that think that elvis is alive, ....is this enough believers for him to be alive? | |
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/29/2009 12:58:23 AM |
One who does not look inward sees nothing.
Those who close their eyes are blind
Heads will nod platitudes follow
Those who stay so closed of mind
Will stay in houses cold and hollow
Very few people in here are claiming fact.
So very true. | |
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 8/29/2009 6:13:30 AM | Well ~ we can perhaps all agree with the facts the 5 senses affords us.
or maybe we can't even do that? ~ So we might say that a blind man can't see. ~ I would suggest, that a blind man "can" see ~ that he doesn't see as you do ~ does not mean that he can' see however. For he sees things that you can't. Does that make his vision less real? Does that make "your" vision less real?
That Mozzark could hear music in his head does that make the music less real? That he could write it on paper and share it ~ does that make you the creator of the music when you play it back , ~ or is it he?
Does poof require a known measure?
Are we the total sum of all of our parts? ~ and if so ~ what are the names of these parts? ~ and if we took the names of all these parts and put them in a bag and gave them a good shake and poured them out, ~ what might be the results?
Can you take nothing and create something?
If we know the speed of light , what is the speed of darkness?
If we can go fast enough to shorten the time of distant traveled ~ can we go fast enough to arrive before we departed? ~ and if not, I wonder why? Does the "numbers" tell us we can?
>>> How many grapes does it take to fill an elevator shaft?<<<
that's easy ! much simpler then knowing the distance of a string separated by only two ends or to know which way is "up" , for it does not require "where"
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 9/11/2009 1:59:13 PM |
For example, some Christians believe that ministers, preachers, nuns etc are endowed with powers, chosen for the calling so to speak, and in return are gifted to fu-fill their calling...ordanainces, healers, seers, etc etc. Pardon any spelling errors.
Catholics do not believe that nuns have any special powers. | |
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 9/12/2009 11:00:02 PM | Well, since I'm Spiritual, I consider that I DO believe that they exist. It's just people are not open-minded enough to think long enough whether they believe in it or not. It's just my opinion, that's it, but uh, I believe that they exist because honestly, I can sense bad/evil "aura", sense if something or a person is actually near me or approaching without me seeing it/that person. I can be telepathic, empathic, & clairvoyant at times, but all of my abilities are affected by the moon phases. For example, if it's actually near or at the point that it's a full moon, my powers are at its strongest, but it's the opposite if it's actually near or at the point that it's a new moon.
P.S - Today, when I was the first one to arrive at my soccer game, I sensed an bad "aura" causing me to have a bad feeling. In my mind, I found that the feeling felt the strongest in the direction of the spot near the goal. And...at the end of a game, a boy from my team dislocated his arm on the spot near the goal that I pointed at in my mind. Weird, uh? o__O; -shudders- | |
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| What do you think of spiritual powers? Do they exist?
Posted: 9/13/2009 12:25:18 AM |
or maybe we can't even do that? ~ So we might say that a blind man can't see. ~ I would suggest, that a blind man "can" see ~ that he doesn't see as you do ~ does not mean that he can' see however. For he sees things that you can't. Does that make his vision less real? Does that make "your" vision less real?
See...this is how people started to get confused about simple words and their meanings.
To SEE something requires vision...eyes ! We may well use the word in other ways but please...don't talk about the ability to actually SEE something (the sense of seeing..the one that requires your eyes to work properly) and then , halfway through your thought , apply a new , more open definition.
It's like saying "I started driving my vehicle when I realized the poetic meter was off". Mixing and matching definitions just confuses people and the since it's been going on for long enough , people can't seem to remember basic , common sense definitions anymore. This has resulted in people "open up their minds" to the point their brains have fallen out. | |
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