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| ED in some form or another
Posted: 8/5/2009 5:24:49 PM |
1 : having the nature, properties, or qualities of an adult male; specifically : capable of functioning as a male in copulation (sexual intercourse)
qualities of an adult male usually translates not only into able to function as in copulation but also able to produce viable sperm.
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Posted: 8/5/2009 5:37:03 PM | ^^^^ As usual, the eagle-eyed forumites are on the look out for generalizations of one kind or another. I should have said "many of the women I encounter in this age group". This narrows it down to my personal experiences, OK?. Looking at your profile, one can plainly see you do not in any way fit the "matronly"description. I sure you feel grand being in such a fit condition. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2009 5:47:28 PM | I like older men, they are pretty much all I date, I just get along with them better then men my age. I've ran into ED quite a bit. It doesn't bother me, the men on the other hand have a harder...oops...rougher time with it than I do.
Sometimes medications can cause it, sometimes nerves can cause it,it's not always age.
First off, it's the person I'm attracted to, not their "parts" but it can make things uncomfortable when it happens.
When the relationship gets to that stage, regardless whether it works or not, I've not had much of a problem making him happy. And that's all that counts. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2009 6:45:40 PM | Unfortunately people, Mother Nature designed it that way.
Mom Nature would rather the 'young virile' go around fertilizing the females than the older less viable males. Part of natural selection if you will.
Ladies, I certainly hope that you are as open minded and receptive to this line of thinking should it befall you that you reach 'the change' and all of the sudden you libido drops to zero or you suffer 'dryness'.
People need to be a tad bit more open minded.
No wonder it is so difficult for people to meet. Just look at all these forums full of post about all the trials and tribulations of dating.
Come on people - you are human, I am human.
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Savona
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| ED in some form or another
Posted: 8/5/2009 6:54:48 PM |
I guess there is at least one other type--when the guy can't ejaculate. But as a woman, I wouldn't consider that latter form a problem (well, not a problem for me, anyway. Sorry to show my selfish side there!!)
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Wow you use the word selfish ??? I think that is plain unsexy. I find it a thrill when my man ejaculates ... but then again that's just me ...
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Posted: 8/5/2009 7:33:41 PM |
Perhaps the OP was referring to two common physiological reasons for erectile dysfunction: PDE-5 production leading to a failure to attain an erection and venous leak, in which the various corpus cavernosum (penis and urethra) either partially or fully fill with blood and then loose (leak) the stored blood. Either process leads to ED and may or may not be treatable. Are you talking about a reversed flow (retrograde ejactulation), usually caused by prostrate cancer? Sometimes during the course of surgery some of the sphincter muscle can be damaged resulting in this reversed flow. Also in diabetes patients they may well suffer from it as well, or sometimes the unfortunate results of a stomach surgery.
cat,
was your comment directed toward the venous leak issue. I'll assume it was.
Retrograde ejaculation is a problem typically associated with the prostate. It has nothing to do with Ed. In RE semen gets directed back toward the bladder through the ureter, rather than down the urethra through the penis. Venous leak refers to the storage structures in the penis, the Corpus Cavernosa Penis (two structures) and Corpus Cavernosum urethra (one structure) filling with blood and then releasing the blood before activities are complete resulting in a cessation of immediate activities.
RE and ED are two distinct issues. The man can have a firm, long lasting erection with RE, but upon ejaculation would not expel any semen in the normal manner. It would be eliminated later with urine when the man urinates. Retrograde ejaculation can occur when a man has a surgical procedure on the prostate, such as a TURP.
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| ED in some form or another
Posted: 8/5/2009 7:53:39 PM | Petrified....you're a braggard.........lol
Hmmm........braggard is not the word I had in mind..................
Back to the question, if a man has an issue and a woman cares for him, then it is something that has to be dealt with and as you say, there is more than one route to an or**sm, so of course. It is ideal that he can function in that way, but it is not the end all or a deal breaker if a woman genuinely cares for him, IMO.
Men are far more self-aware of their penis than of any other part of their body, from my experience. It is sorta funny at times. I once dated a man who was small and he would never let me see him nude if he was not standing at full salute. Goofy, what do I care? He was not a measure of his penis, and the size of his penis was not a measure of him as a man.
I don't want a partner to use Viagra to be erect, it is way too hard for them to ejaculate and really get the pleasure from the experience. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2009 7:55:45 PM | Yanno, I somehow jus' knew it was only a matter of time before some fella got on here to tell us that *their* plumbing issues were *our* fault. . . . Lord luv a duck!
BTW, all you guys hoping that little blue is gonna save your bacon? Not one of they guys I was with with ED issues had *any* luck with it. Or any of it's cousins. It works for some, and that's a good thing. But if you're thinkin' you can just go along paying no attention to what you do to your body and just get a script, and your problems are over, you may be DEAD wrong. . . .
And I'd like to repeat: the libido can be just fine whether or not the mechanics work. Separate issues for both men and women. Women's mechanics consist of getting dry when they used to get wet. Lube fixes it, one hundred percent of the time (I'm told, haven't had the issue yet).
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Posted: 8/5/2009 7:59:14 PM | | My libido is in full-function mode and I have had a hysterectomy. No problems here in any department. With the little blue pill, it can go on so long that what should be pleasure just turns into plain work after a long while at it. A man can stay erect for hours on it. Nature cannot take its course. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2009 8:04:41 PM |
Hmmm........braggard is not the word I had in mind..................
Comedian perhaps?
My libido is in full-function mode and I have had a hysterectomy. No problems here in any department. With the little blue pill, it can go on so long that what should be pleasure just turns into plain work after a long while at it. A man can stay erect for hours on it. Nature cannot take its course.
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Posted: 8/5/2009 8:10:38 PM | I do not want to spar with you, Petrified Wood. I do not know if you have a dry sense of humor or if you really are posting what your true thoughts are. You seem very, very arrogant about your appeal and I honestly hope you are being humorous and not serious. Aren't you the azz who posted about women being like a car, you want the young ones who still have the new car smell, unlike older women?
I say my thoughts honestly and I am an open book, for the most part. I did not like it when the man I used to date would take Viagra to please me. Ugh, three or four hours of it is not fun for me if he is not getting the pleasure from it. Plus, he did not have a problem with erection, he just wanted to last longer and he lasted long enough for me. If it ain't broke, then there ain't no need to fix it, IMO. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2009 8:35:18 PM | A few female friends tell me that it is extremely normal for men 50+ to have some difficulties in regard to getting it up or keeping it up. Apparently, this is related to vascular health as men age.
It is more prevalent with men as they age because of health among other things,,,
I admit to not having known enough to realize that some men could get it up but not sustain it.
think of the difference between when it's ready to ejaculate and before that,,, different degrees of fluid filling the penis
Is there a difference between the two forms of ED? Can (will) any men speak to the issue?
If you're describing two medical (healthwise reasons, there may be a third,,, mental
Women, does it matter to you (assuming a guy is willing to satisfy you in other ways)?
lol,,, I think I should leave this one alone,,, I have a lot to say,,, -smile-
By the way, one friend told that "virile" is the word to use if it does matter to you and that guys will know what it means. Any thoughts on that?
I always thought virile meant you were able to perform with stamina as in when you're young,,, | |
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Posted: 8/5/2009 8:48:36 PM | RE: Msg 26 from thecatsmeow
1 : having the nature, properties, or qualities of an adult male; specifically : capable of functioning as a male in copulation (sexual intercourse) qualities of an adult male usually translates not only into able to function as in copulation but also able to produce viable sperm. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2009 8:56:42 PM | thanks for the RE info tarnished knight. i never heard of that one, will keep it in mind if anyone else comes up with it, male or female meeting male.
nothing dedicated to this topic???? did you do a search on ed (a name) or "erectile dysfunction"? because there have been numerous forum discussions on this topic, some of which were quite good and the rest about as dumb as the postings on menapause.
as a strategy consultant in medical delivery, i helped to put together an ED center back east, almost 25 years ago, when even doctors were embarrassed to discuss it. i was raised openly and my male and female friends always talked about stuff "to each other". so, i was amazed at the level of ignorance and embarrassment, let alone amongst the physicians! but still, i really did not realize the prevalance as i was still too young to have encountered it. i was just determing marketing strategy and feasibilty for them.
however, i remember having great respect for a local politician at one of our fundraisings for another hospital, who talked about the effects of his meds at the dinner table, tux and all. so, i told him about the center! word spreads fast. a team of upbeat urolgists, endocrinologists, cardiologists and therapists came up with the concept and men travelled to them from three surrounding states! hopefully we've come a long way since then and your average doc now can help out. of course, we women know that the men who protest too much, clearly are the ones with the greater issues!
there are numerous factors contributing--meds and various health conditions as wooby described as the more prevalent. on top of that, you have men who are so "used" to their relationship with their computer and women as well with their toys, that neither knows how to relate to a "human" anymore--even if they want to! alcohol also makes it way worse and as one gets older, if they refrain from what they are used to doing at home by themselves, they will have a better chance at being sexual "with" their new partners. if a man is a good lover, he will also have some other things up his sleeve and the woman as well. this applies to the good of BOTH participants!
i know my male buddies have talked about two kinds: no desire or ability and the desire but inablity to "complete". if you study tantra yoga, there are many ways around the latter. then there are the many man who claim how hot they are (all their young chickies, yada yada yada) and they are pretty lousy in bed, so i doubt an "older" woman would want them! real men and good lovers, will take the time to investigate alternatives and often come up with some pretty sexy scenarios. as they get older, hopefully they've already done that with their previous partners! all in all, i think sexuality is way better now than before. men are finally taking their time! the problem is, if you are looking long term, that you are looking for more than just chemistry, you are looking for bonding and compatiblity as well. however, for me, the first is a key element. i'm just creative, if it is needed! so far, my two relationships after my marriage have proven to have dealt with all of this stuff.
in my mid fifities, after my divorce, i had no clue about any of this either, let alone viagra. then i went on a simple "date" and this man had an obvious several hour erection. we were just eating dinner and dancing. finding it very "odd", i later asked a male buddy and he then started to clue me in. he said the man had made too big an "assumption" about our first date!*? clearly he was on viagra. i found him to not be "at one" with his ____!
so, women are as dumb about ED , as men have been about female gratification. if you have a good relationship and are open about it, often it can be addressed. my ex SO of three years "thought" he had ED. that did not last for long, while we were successful in our communication. when the relationship stopped, so did all the rest. but, that would have happened with or w/o ED!
wooby, your are not only a riot and a role model, but you have experienced love, romance, passion, travelling to meet your man and even homesteading--a modern pioneer! there is another woman in my meetups who is 68. speaking to her and hearing from you, gives me hope and humor to boot! they just did not teach us all this in elementary school. but, they taught my kids in high school. my eldest came home very concerned about my ex's cholesterol. she explained to him if he had high cholesterol and had sex with me, he could easily "drop dead"! kids, you gotta luv 'em!!!  | |
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| ED in some form or another
Posted: 8/5/2009 9:10:38 PM |
I do not want to spar with you, Petrified Wood. I do not know if you have a dry sense of humor or if you really are posting what your true thoughts are. You seem very, very arrogant about your appeal and I honestly hope you are being humorous and not serious. Aren't you the azz who posted about women being like a car, you want the young ones who still have the new car smell, unlike older women?
Yes, I don't care for emoticons much so you have to be pretty sharp to catch my sense of humor. Lots of what I say that sounds offensive or arrogant is tongue-in-cheek. If you don't find the humor in it, you should look harder.
I say my thoughts honestly and I am an open book, for the most part. I did not like it when the man I used to date would take Viagra to please me. Ugh, three or four hours of it is not fun for me if he is not getting the pleasure from it. Plus, he did not have a problem with erection, he just wanted to last longer and he lasted long enough for me. If it ain't broke, then there ain't no need to fix it, IMO.
Does he tie helium balloons to his lawn chair too? You were dating this guy and you thing I'm an azz? OK, that's funny right there. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2009 10:58:05 PM |
I have zero interest in going out with women my own age. To me, they just seem matronly.
So you are the only one that is fit and cut at your age??? Please spare me that all woman past the age of 50 are matronly.. If you wish to date younger woman just do it.. you need not make excuses for your decision based on untruths. thecatsmeoww
I totally agree with the cat.
AH! Matronly! Being matronly has nothing to do with age, someone much younger can be matronly! | |
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Posted: 8/6/2009 3:50:31 AM |
As usual, the eagle-eyed forumites are on the look out for generalizations of one kind or another. I should have said "many of the women I encounter in this age group". This narrows it down to my personal experiences, OK?. Looking at your profile, one can plainly see you do not in any way fit the "matronly"description. I sure you feel grand being in such a fit condition.
Well I could say many of the men just as easily and it would be my experience as well. However I want to date people around my age since I have more in common with them. That is much more important to me in looking for a good relationship than just how cut his body is.
Indeed I feel very good
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Posted: 8/6/2009 3:57:21 AM |
I beg to differ. There are MANY men who are sterile, either from birth or having had the mumps or some other illness/condition that affected their fertility, that are extremely virile. Being able to produce sperm does NOT make a man virile anymore than being able to produce ovum makes a woman more feminine. Copulation does NOT mean being able to impregnate. It means able to have sexual intercourse, period.
I certainly would not refer to the above man as virile.. I would refer to him as sterile which is what his problem is.
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| ED in some form or another
Posted: 8/6/2009 4:05:02 AM |
Retrograde ejaculation is a problem typically associated with the prostate. It has nothing to do with Ed.
Indeed I just mentioned it because it was yet another problem some males might have.
Venous leak refers to the storage structures in the penis, the Corpus Cavernosa Penis (two structures) and Corpus Cavernosum urethra (one structure) filling with blood and then releasing the blood before activities are complete resulting in a cessation of immediate activities.
Thanks for the explanation I suppose a ring might help with the above problem?
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Posted: 8/6/2009 5:34:31 AM |
Yes, I don't care for emoticons much so you have to be pretty sharp to catch my sense of humor. Lots of what I say that sounds offensive or arrogant is tongue-in-cheek. If you don't find the humor in it, you should look harder"
The big problem, PW, is that without facial expressions or hearing your voice, your delivery leads people to think you are arrogant, it is hard to get your sense of humor and besides that, it is offensive. Your delivery could use some work, but I will say that a sense of humor is a good thing.
A man is not an azz if he is trying to please his woman, not at all. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2009 6:59:25 AM | cat:
You're right, a c*** ring used solo or with an external suction device is one of the none surgical remedies suggested. There is another non-surgical that is niggling at the back of my mind, but I am drawing a blank.
I was going to mention those last night and they slipped my mind. The c*** ring can also be used for men who don't have this problem, but in either case it must be a priority what while using such an assist that it only be kept in place for as short a time as possible, recommendation if 20 min I believe, or you'll have other problems to worry about.
TK
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Posted: 8/6/2009 7:00:07 AM |
However I want to date people around my age since I have more in common with them.
That’s how I feel exactly. Any woman who dates an old coot more than ten years older than her has to be a looser in life, and have confidence issues. Same goes for a guy dating a woman much older than him. I would much rather date a lady in my same age group who is confident, fit, and intelligent. Its win/win, or more like winner/winner.
As far as ED goes, I will cross that bridge when and if I get to it. I am active, fit, and a vegetarian. ED is rare in people with my lifestyle. Besides, there are other ways to please a woman. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2009 7:03:31 AM | The big problem, PW, is that without facial expressions or hearing your voice, your delivery leads people to think you are arrogant, it is hard to get your sense of humor and besides that, it is offensive. Your delivery could use some work, but I will say that a sense of humor is a good thing.
Look at the facial expression on my profile picture if it helps. <-- There, how's that?
A man is not an azz if he is trying to please his woman, not at all.
How was he pleasing you? You were complaining that he took Viagra when he didn't need it and that basically, neither of you were into the sex after a while, but felt obligated to work the hard-on until it became soft (apparently Viagra is a terrible thing to waste) - You weren't bragging about it. You said an erection that lasts for hours is a pain in the ass (OK, not literally and I really don't want to know).
Here's what you said:
I did not like it when the man I used to date would take Viagra to please me. Ugh, three or four hours of it is not fun for me if he is not getting the pleasure from it. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2009 7:53:05 AM | | I believe I ran into this problem about 4 years ago - of course, I can't really tell for sure, I was trying to gently ask the gentleman in question what was going on...and he broke off with me. He had started a new medication around that time and I wondered if there were some "side effects". It was a fairly new relationship (about 2-3 months in total) so I guess the trust level wasn't quite there yet - for him. | |
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