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Posted: 8/22/2009 9:36:06 PM | seems like the defnce worked for me. They played well, the O line was awesome and due to some back LB play the Bombers made the leo's look awful... can't say I'm upset..
Glad someone pushed the Als atleast... they look like the team to beat... of course Grey Cups re not won in August ...lol | |
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Posted: 8/22/2009 10:25:59 PM | Good game !
I'll feel a bit more confident in the Bomber when they can get 300 years in the air though...
At least the DB's are way better than the ones from last year.
(And what about that field goal kicker ? 85% now !) | |
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Posted: 8/23/2009 7:49:07 AM | OK !! Spectacular game! They made it look easy anyway. I had predicted a win since I felt, Bishop's one of two flashes of genius he has in a season, was due. B.C has been over-rated and lucky this season ( later on that)
Chuckster, having to get your 10 year old to "translate" doesn't reflect very well on you. LOL! Perhaps we might want to hear from him/her?
And you are right, we could go back and forth on here....and while you make that sound like we disagree, for the most part we don't. Almost anyone sees that the Bomber Org has a made alot of poor choices over the years...not just this year..right?
Those choices have resulted in how many years now ?? of No Grey Cup wins??
You see, I remember the Bombers in the 60's. As a kid due to circumstances they happened to be the team I connected with....They were a strong organization...full of pride and maybe even a bit arrogant right through into the 70's and 80's.
But now I see a financially stable franchise, thanks to Bauer, but I don't see that power house of a TEAM they used to be. And their credibilty is slipping.
There was a small mention of something during the game that got over shadowed by the performance of the Bombers (or maybe like the failure of the B.C Lions).WHAT WAS IT?
Lefors made a statement that in so many words said he was forced to take a 40% pay cut.
Now I know there will be many on here who will say "GOOD! He didn't deserve to be paid anything for the way he played.".....that was actuially my first reaction.
BUT...
The Bomber organization may have that come back and bite them. They had to "force" someone to break a contract??? That is rather unethical don't you think? There were a couple of times last year that the organization pulled off questionable things...this year began with the Hamilton "Spy Gate"...now this !!
I mean whose fault is it when an organization signs a contract with an unproven quarterback with no "poor performance clause"? Is it the players fault? Is he the only one to be penalized? A deal is a deal ! Maybe Bauer and Kelly should have taken a pay cut too for their poor decision?
This once proud organization, I am feeling, maybe start to become one that no players or other team will trust! | |
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Posted: 8/23/2009 8:10:48 AM | Now lets look at B.C. Lions. Solid organization....with a coach who soon will be the "winningest coach" in the CFL. Some very good players. A couple of key bad injuries (nothing antwhere near what Saskatchewan had last year).
They got humiliated by the "lowly" Bombers. Why?
The Bomber defence, which is solid and one of the best in the league did thier job and Offensive line and Reid came to play. But there is something wrong with the B.C Lions too. You don't get that once in a life time performance without something breaking down on the other team as well.
From the start they were supposed to be one of the elite teams....but their "attitude" was off. Should they fire Boney? Maybe! But not necessarily.
They should PROMOTE him!
Promoting a mediocre coach to GM has worked for Edmonton and Montreal! It has , seriously!
I recommend we make Kelly the new President of the BLUE BOMBER Organization!
You think I am crazy now ! But wait till the Bombers play the Riders on Labour Day!!
You will be begging for answers!
Sorry folks but during those games, I put on my Green tin foil helmut (to ward off alien communications) and show my deepest color!
Green is the Color !
Football is the game!!
We all stand together!!
And winning is our Aim!!
.......Saskatchewan Rough Riders is our name!
look for bombers hung up by banjo strings all over the field!! Ah Ahar ! Ah Ahar! | |
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Posted: 8/25/2009 4:43:43 PM | Nope DTC !
I call for everyone now to join hands and sing with me:
We shall over come !
We shall over come !
Our hopes we have lent !
To Kelly as President!
KELLY!!! PRESIDENT!! KELLY!!! PRESIDENT!!
Come on now! Most everyone on here thinks he is wonderful ...after only one win.
And Bishop for Vice Presidnet !! Reid for Minister of Finance !
One win ! No worries! | |
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Posted: 8/29/2009 11:46:09 AM | Thanks DTC !
That excerpt really clarifies alot of things we have been talking about..at least for me.
I for one agree with most of Bauer's comments and am glad to see the press asking those bold guestions.
-Bauer IS not god and is being critiqued.
-sounds a little like if Kelly doesn't work out...Bauer is gone.
-I agree the players have differnet attitude than they had last year
-I agree from what we have heard ...or more importantly, NOT heard...the locker room is solid
-the team is somewhat rebuilding and their record is good fair enough under those circumstances.....maybe good enough to keep from being booted out of the playoffs.
-Bauer is right, their record under Daly and Berry is not all THAT bad....after all Hamilton's record is worse....if thats any consolation. Bauer is naturally defending his position, and lets face it he certainly could have done worse. BUT its not a GREAT record! And Winnipeg deserves a GREAT record.
-Do you get the same sense that I got , that the Brendan T situation has some stories between the lines?
-I think its rather interesting that Bauer without a GM takes little to no responsibilty for player decisions. He says his "football operations" does ALL that with only some advise from him.
So who the hell is "football operations" that is making these decisions?
My predictions and guess for the rest of the season is 500 ball....Bombers should win 4 of 8 which very likely get them in the playoffs. Look for Bishop to be "hot" and then "cold"....he will be cut at the end of season likely after a dismal first round playoff performance. The club is close.....Kelly should survive if he doesn't let his mouth get him fired....I really think the club is only 2-3 great players away from being great....but great players are not easily found. | |
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Posted: 8/29/2009 7:48:01 PM | I didn't know that "Rainman" came in stereo............................
I am glad I watched the Hamilton @ Edmonton game tonight. What an interesting game. At the end of the first half, I was beginning to think that people like me who screamed for Kevin Glenn to be replaced might have been wrong or hasty.....but then, Kevin Glenn (that almost sounds poetic) did to Hamilton, what he had done here,..blow a good lead. I'm really glad he is doing that on Hamilton's payroll and not the Bombers.
Good effort by the Riders, they kept on going to the last minutes of the game, and that final interception, was just icing on the cake.
I'm looking forward to the Bombers next game. | |
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Posted: 8/30/2009 6:15:38 PM | DTC...I am probably the only one who had the patience to read thoroughly both your posts....thats how patient I am ! And yet my patience is very thin when it comes to the Bauer organization at this point.
I am hearing all the right words once again....and would not have expected anything different. The rhetoric and relatively good administration have taken this club a fair ways toward being profitable. But there is no way that this club shouldn't be GREAT!!
Tell me something! How does a club like Montreal that had been defunct. Moved to Baltimore...re-named the Colts ! Then had that pulled and were the Baltimore No Names....moved back to Montreal.....set up in a College Stadium ....which gets sold out consistently......maintains its #1 ( #2 at worse)Eastern position year after year....
and yes they have gone to alot more Grey Cups than they have won....it never appears that they over spend and try to manipulate the salary cap.....unlike some other teams which I won't name....*cough* Cough* BC LIONs....
HOW???
So no ! The Bombers are a good organization...but there needs to be a big shake up to make it great.....
The Bombers were the elite of the Western Division....and I am afraid had they been in the West where they belong I doubt they would have not made it to the playoffs more than one tiime in the last 6 to 7 years. And frankly that stinks!
One more year! One more year! THAT is all this administration deserves.
MARK YOUR CALENDERS ! Compare their record at the Break in 2010.
One thing I am beginning to see is that they BETTER NOT let their assistant coach NELSON get away.....I think he has the making of being a great head coach...watch him!! | |
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Posted: 9/6/2009 4:36:18 PM | OMG what a poor showing the Bombers made today against Saskatchewan. It would not have been worth the drive to see them play so badly.
I'm impressed with Coach Kelly's interview with the media and his honesty about his concern about the timing problems the Bombers were having. He was right on the money when he referenced the comments being made by people saying that he was bald and should be fired. He was right by saying, ya, so what? The coach can instruct, teach, lead and challenge the players, but when the rubber hits the road, its up to the players to get their sh!t together and make the plays.
What happened to the O line? Rarely had possession of the ball, and that made it more difficult for the D line. I don't believe there is any one player that can be held responsible, the entire team was struggling.
I liked the white board choices from the sidelines for Bishop. I don't think less of Bishop for needing this kind of assistance. I appreciate that an effort was being made to help him succeed in his position, and I saw more confidence in Bishop as a result. That is a positive and I commend Kelly for using it. Coaches must do what is necessary to get the desired results from the players. By giving Bishop a choice of plays, they were guiding him and not de-moralizing him by making the calls from the sidelines.
I am glad that Kelly said they were not as creative as they should be, and that showed from the number of plays Saskatchewan read and acted upon. As I have mentioned earlier, I would like to see more creativity in the plays and more versitality in the players being thrown to. There is a lot of talent in the team and its a waste to not utilize it through stragic creative plays. They definitely need to create more opportunities.
When they failed on the TD attempt instead of kicking a field goal, I commend Kelly in his comments when asked by the media why didn't they attempt a field goal. He said we are the best in the league for our running game and that made perfect sense. However winning a game needs more creativity and with Bishop's arm, there should have been more passing, as the final score and stats speak for themselves.
Once again, the Bombers did not start playing at the opening kick off and I suspect during that time off, they were more interested in getting on the golf course instead of preparing to win their next game. You could see the results in the Saskatchew player who stayed at home working on his game, instead of using the time for goofing off. Today the Bombers were a huge disappointment, I expect better in the next game. | |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 7:22:18 AM | I agree with going for the touchdown on the last play of the half, but not the play called. The quarterback sneak is the obvious play. There was a comment in the paper today that "there were 9 men in the box", but that is how the Bombers lined up on Sask's 3rd and 1 plays and Jyles made the yard that was needed. With the D line a yard off the ball and the O line knowing the snap count, a QB sneak should always be good for a yard or two.
The defense was on the field a lot, but they are responsible for that. They allowed two long Sask drives in the first quarter. The Bombers D has a lot of trouble with a QB who makes quick, short passes. Durant did the same thing Calvillo does and his play in the first quarter was the key to the game. The Bombers made some adjustments on defense at the half and if it wasn't for the interceptions and the fumble, they had a good chance to win. | |
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Posted: 9/14/2009 5:37:16 PM | ENOUGH SAID!
But since there can be minimum word requirements on here, please let me expound.
What did DTC and I tell you...how many posts back??
But NO! you would sooner listen to and accept the B.S coming out of the Bomber PR camp.
Dunigan's buddy may be trying everything ...but maybe he is trying too hard!
Here are some simple recommendations:
1)Locate and hold your core players who seem to lead and inspire their team mates..(thankfully Brown is still here)
2)Focus on #@*% football.....forget all these B.S. promises, innovative play calling( come on now "lineman wearing play wrist bands", last minute drop ins of question character and/or ability, spying on other teams.
3)When there is week, after week, after week more controversy about other things than plays on the field YOU GOT AN ORGANIZATIONAL PROBLEM.
4)Don't alienate the fans and the press and expect anything but flack, and criticism, and complaints.
A Rider fan after the game was interviewed and said it best " The Bombers are where we were 3 years ago...actualy more like 3 1/2 years), but they will get through"
Ya ! There ya go with your favorite people you like the to criticsize and call names (like "inbreds"). Saskatchewan is even trying to encourage you.
But if the Bombers don't want to end up like Hamilton was for a generation, they had best look at what Saskatchewan HAD TO DO to turn it around.......They STARTED AT THE TOP AND WORKED THEIR WAY DOWN....not the other way around....Kelly proved that that was not effective. | |
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Posted: 9/14/2009 6:15:55 PM | THE BOMBER GAME STUNK...........BIG TIME..............
I don't blame Kelly or the players totally. Nor, am I ready to send Kelly, Bishop and a handfull of others packing. I still think that there is more going on than just weak players - I think the environment the Bombers are playing in is causing a lot of the problems and that may be what is behind the team not stepping up to perform. This could definitely be a symptom that qualifies the happy cow theory.
I have 2 different thoughts on this topic. The first thought is what I have been saying for years that the problems were from higher up the food chain and it was not fair to put the total blame on the coach/s and players. It was not a big surprise to hear about the player dissatisfaction from being moved around from the positions they originally signed on to play. Just think if anyone out in forum land was hired to do one job and instead of doing what they were good at, or what they trained to do - was shoved into another position/job that they were not comfortable with, or liked - that would breed anamosity - so I can see players being disgruntled and asking to be traded as was mentioned by the TV commentators about one of the players had asked for. Nor, do I blame them. Keeping the record straight, I still don't like Lyle Bauer...........so I'll be happy to see the new management under the Asper Group. I really hope the Asper Group gets the right people on the staffing bus.
The other thought I have been wrestling with is, that the current Bomber organization is trying to wreck any chance of having a good team, so that the team they turn over to the Asper Group is worthless and they will have to start building from the groud up. They might be trying to p!ss the fans off to the point that they don't renew their season tickets. This sour grapes mentality seems to be what happened when Wpg Enterprises turned the Moose over to Chipman's group.
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Posted: 9/15/2009 10:16:04 PM | So can anyone explain why the Manitoba Forum shows the last comment was made by DTC but on here its Haywire?
Anyway...on to more relevant material.
Haywire you are an angel! You hit it outa the ball park.
I am not completely sure its a conspiracy agenda as much as you indicate...but there is defintely SOMETHING wong.
Another theory: I noticed ...and maybe it was only a coincidence....but it appears to me, the Bombers turn for the worse coincides with when Bauer had a heart attack and returned after recuperation. The man must have lost 60 lbs...and with that the Bombers began losing back office intense support....minimally, the back office began making a number of poor decisions.
Now this coincides with a move by the Aspers to take over the team and quite likely Bauer is thinking of retirement anyway.
So if the organization is trying to de-value the team.....last year every game was sold out until October....this year the only sell-out was the Banjo Bowl, (thanks to Rider fans)....THEN they are suceeding!!
And lets face it....though I think Kelly might have sincere intentions and a some coaching abilities (very questionable Head coach abilities)....the organization hired and have stood behind ... a coach who has a "hot head"...poor respect for fans and media....has alienated not only them but also some very good players....and lastly has made poor football decisions....
.Sounds like EXACTLY the type of thing to do if you want to drive fans away.
5 HOME games left in the season
....you can drive the Bombers into the "Red"....with your feet.
And if you ask me, the cost and expense of trying to get fans back will far exceed any savings from a low-ball price Aspers or anyone else hope to pay for them. | |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 10:30:34 PM | I can explain...........he has been sent to banned camp. For posting in the Mb forums when he is from BC......
oops, I forgot, I don't live in Manitoba now........ please don't ban me too, I forgot I live here now. | |
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Posted: 9/16/2009 7:12:03 PM | Thanks witty...now we got any further insights from others here ?
Who is going to quit going to games? | |
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Posted: 9/16/2009 7:51:06 PM | TYK - an angel you say................shucks how does a lady respond 
Your theory of Bauer's heart attack, etc. fits with the things I have been saying. It really never added up that other teams have been struggling/rebuilding, etc. and got somewhere with their efforts - everyone that is except the Bombers. The only constant has been the uppper organization. We have gone though so many coaches, QB's and other players and we are still in the bowels of the CFL fighting with all our might for last place.
I hope the Asper group takes a good look at the upper organization before they decide to retain any of the management. I think retirement from the Bombers organization is a pleasant way to part company with Bauer.
Something else I have noticed is a change in Kelly. TYK, I disagree with your comments about Kelly not be qualified to be head coach. I think that Kelly and the other coaches are quite qualified, but are being held back by the upper mgnt. I would like to see the coaches doing what they were hired to do, and to be left alone to do their jobs. I also disagree with your comments about the organziation standing behind Kelly and that he is a "hot head". I think Kelly has come here thinking he would be the head coach and I see that he has passion about his job, the players, and the fans. I don't think he was prepared to be a puppet for the upper organization, and I think that is what Kelly and some of the players have been dealing with.
About the organization trying to de-value the team and p!ss off the ticket holders, well I believe that is their intent and ticket holders will only put up with so much crap before they loose interest. This is not a new concept and unfortunately this kind of crap makes people loose interest in the CFL. I hope it does not happen, but one never knows for sure. I think that the Asper group needs to be given a chance when the reigns of the Bomber organization are turned over.......just like the chance Kelly and the players need, to be able to do the jobs they were hired to do.
TYK its too bad your buddy DTC has been sent to banned camp | |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 6:52:10 AM | ^^^^^^^
ya, what a shame.
You know, I was giving Kelly the benefit of the doubt........I agreed with the whole Armstrong thing, and a lot of the other moves. And the ones I didn't agree with, I could at least rationalize as growing pains that are necessary for overall progress to be made.
However, when I hear a guy like Barrin Simpson, who is a class act and a team leader who's extremely respected in and out of the locker room.......not to mention a great football player.......when I hear that he wants out, and the Bombers seem to be playing games with him..........well, that more than anything has really got me re-thinking my support of Kelly and Bauer and the direction they are taking this team. | |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 7:59:26 AM | not a football fan but i am very disappointed that dtc is banned        | |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 8:24:53 AM | Chucknorris1 - I think Kelly is taking the heat, just as the previous coaches have for decisions that were made by Bomber management, such as Bauer.
You are right about Simpson wanting to be traded and now I'm re-thinking my previous position about the issues with Armstrong. I had said he was a whiner and wanted his own way, when he might have been suffering from the effects of management trying to make his life miserable while under contract when he displeased him. Maybe Armstrong didn't handle the media properly and made himself look bad, when it could have been organization issues.
I actually feel sorry for the coaches and players if the management are making life difficult for them. We have gone through so many coaches and players who have done better once they left the Bomber Organization.............my thoughts the management of the organization needs to be overhauled...............now I'm excited about the new ownership of the Bombers. | |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 6:32:33 PM | | Well haywire girl....we are so close to being on the same page ..yet still such difference...viva la difference! I get at what you are talking about but what I cannot forget nor exclude are some blatant Kelly only to blame things.....these have all been expounded upon at length BUT ONE that I cannot forgive nor will....is the terminating any call ins on the Radio show....thats just bad!!! | |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 7:47:59 PM | TYK - you cannot forgive Kelly terminating the call ins on the radio show - are you serious?
I applaude him for it. Do you know how many nut bars call into those shows to rant? I don't listen to CJOB call in show for that very reason, and if I'm in someone elses vehicle who is listening, my tolerance is about 3 phone calls and then I'm ready to get out and walk to where ever we are going. If people thought we had "rainman" here in the forums, its 100 times worse on the radio. One would have to be a masicist to set themselves up for that.
I don't believe Kelly's contract called for him to be the sacrificial lamb for all the mistakes made by the Bomber organization. I know if I was the head coach and if things were going on "out of camera" that were beyond my control, and I was not allowed to talk about them, I sure in hell would not be opening myself up to get ranted on by the public.
Has Kelly made mistakes on matters he had control over - most likely because he is human like all of us. I just find it really hard to believe that when ever the Bombers have problems, everything is blamed on the head coaches or the whining players. If problems are resulting from the upper management butting in or over riding decisions the coaches make, I dont think its right that the coaches take the blame.
I have said before that other teams have gone through growing pains and have improved, but here we seem to just change the sacrificial lambs and allow the only constant (the upper management) to just keep on ticking like a Timex watch.
Wake up people! | |
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Posted: 9/18/2009 6:05:03 AM | Yeah,the last game was pretty horrible. I'm currently working with a paving crew on Hwy 1 running a roller,and just for that day I brought my little radio in order to listen to the game. I was going to give it up in the 3rd quarter but decided to keep listening when Brian Randall went in . However,I didn't listen to the rest of the game.
I believe that overall we have a good team,but the biggest problem is in the quarterback department. It's easy to say just get another quarterback,but there currently are no CFL experienced quarterbacks available,and there are really no back-ups that look really good either. The only solution is to bring in someone from the States and train him in the Canadian game,as the Bombers are doing with Casey Bramlett,but that could take time too. | |
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Posted: 9/18/2009 10:20:24 AM | At least with Bramlett, he's played in big pressure games before...can ya say Rose Bowl? lol The biggest single problem is at the QB like TooShadows is saying in my opinion. Putting all his faith on an unproven QB in LeFors was a huge gamble.
Then there's the media circus which Kelly hasn't seemed to figure out yet...he's trying to control the message and it just isn't gonna happen. The more you try to control the media, the more it's going to control you. | |
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Posted: 9/18/2009 5:05:19 PM | | EXACTLY....Dano its great to have your head of reason in on this. BUT Haywire...wtf....is something about bald headed men that makes you lose all sense of reason.....there ain't no way..no reason ..no how that Kelly is not just as responsible as some of the "higher bees" that are ruining this team . The simple fact that he was hired by the "higher bees" makes him guilty by association. | |
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Posted: 9/21/2009 8:53:54 PM | | Well after that dismal effort on Sunday, I'm surprised nobody has chimed in yet. | |
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