| Girls who should be women
Posted: 8/10/2009 6:19:39 AM | I think the phases, Boys night out, Girls night out were meant for adults...but it implies that the person is still interested in DOING something vs going home and sitting on the sofa.
I don't think the girls (or the boys) are wrong to show that they are still interested in doing things. In the world of facebook, myspace and twitter people are click happy they have cameras in their phones and know how to use them. | |
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| Girls who should be women
Posted: 8/10/2009 7:02:13 AM | people are click happy they have cameras in their phones and know how to use them.
Now I really feel old! Can you believe the only time the camera on my phone was activated I did it by accident. Last night I was trying to figure out how to use it and I couldn't! 
I usually use my digital camera but a young girlfriend neighbor of mine, months ago, texted me a pic of Gnarly Head wine, because I had given her a bottle at one time. I never knew who texted it, then I bought some recently and was thinking about that text, then I was thinking about her because I hadn't seen her in a long time, then I ran into her outside last night. I said so funny I ran into you, I was just wondering where you've been, and she told me it was her who sent the text (without me even asking) and wondered if I got it. I told her I did but never knew who sent it. Since I have a bottle at home now I wanted to send her a text pic of it back. Oh well! Guess I am a girl. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2009 7:42:17 AM | In years gone past I had to live with continuous instruction on politically correct language. Female children were "young women", the world "girls" was never to be used. Sort of like the evolution of the use of the word "Black" and its other language equivalents "Noir", "Negro", etc to describe people with dark brown skin into "African American".
Of course, you can insist on the use of politically correct expressions all you want, but it changes nothing about the underlying feelings that are put into an expression. The word "girl" can be used equally as a label, compliment or insult, as can the word "woman".
OT: I don't envy or regret those of any age who want to spend the night in bars and dance clubs, but I do myself find the experience pretty boring, as the noise gets to me, I get hoarse talking after a short while, and I can't really stand more than a few beers. Typically, the women I see there have obviously pumped considerable time and effort on hair, makeup and dress, in a vain attempt to compete with the younger women working as barmaids. For them, I typically feel somewhat sorry..... | |
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| Girls who should be women
Posted: 8/10/2009 7:47:33 AM |
They are not women; they're girls.
Who defines a woman in your opinion, OP? Donna Reed? Lauren Bacall? Cyndi Lauper? Madonna? Julia Child? Helen Gurley Brown? Just curious what your yardstick looks like.
I personally avoid yardsticks and other measuring devices of any kind. I'll bet I'm not alone on this one. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2009 7:48:48 AM | | Personally, I think the pictures of women sitting around a quilting-bee are kind of boring. Sure, I don't need to see the ones from Sturgis, but something lively doesn't bother me. I'd rather see someone partying with friends than standing beside a fountain. I'll take the high road and assume the partying isn't every night. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2009 9:39:06 AM | "What I DO see is men AND women referring to women as girls as a way to seem friendly more than to demean or repress them. "
When you go to a country where men and women truly think of each other as equals, and would never call each other girl or boy you see the difference. Are the able to be very friendly with each other without using the girl/boy words? Yes, in their culture a kiss on the cheek is given to all people they meet that they know.
Some women who consider themselves girls because it makes them feel younger (and try to act that way) are possibly unaware that they are buying into the advertising campaigns requiring us to stay young, or possibly they need to find a mate so bad that they think the submissive term girl will fool men into thinking that they are still youthful.
Correction for my previous post..........
"Too bad more people aren't tied of the girl myth."
should have been Too bad more people aren't tired of the girl myth.
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Posted: 8/10/2009 9:47:55 AM | Maybe some of these women have been married and raised their children, and now enjoying their time/life? Nothing wrong IMO.
A lil' fun never killed anyone, why slowed down if you have the energy/desire? | |
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Posted: 8/10/2009 11:19:00 AM | OPie, perhaps it's your location? I get way more than the expected share of lawyers when I click on those thumbnails at the top of my mailbox. (my area includes D.C.) California has seemed to me to be way more focused on body image/clothing/partying than most other areas of the country, for both males and females. . . .
Just sayin'
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Posted: 8/10/2009 11:19:25 AM | I agree with the above poster. Many women (and probably men as well) that are
older (40's and 50's) have been married, have raised children and now find themselves
single. If they got married young and had kids young...then now is the time they
have for themselves...and time to enjoy life and their time. Who cares how they spend
that time or how they enjoy it? I'd be willing to bet that many of the women that you
think have pictures taken in bars or partying are actually women who spend a good
deal of their week working and actually doing a lot of "women" things.
As far as women being taught to continue to be girls and girlies...what the heck is wrong
with keeping a young attitude while you go about your daily mature adult things?
Sheeeesh...I'm a woman who often thinks of herself as a "girl" and my daughters and
I are known as "girlies". | |
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Posted: 8/10/2009 11:52:39 AM | And there are boys who should be men. I wish I had a nickel for every profile I've read which says I hunt, fish, camp, like outdoor activities, sports, and riding my Harley. Could you be anymore generic or evasive? I don't even respond to such generic profiles which tell me nothing about the individual.
I agree we are all at a reflective stage of life, where we know we've made mistakes, admit to our baggage, and know time is marching on. What matters most is the things we haven't done but want to do, and not the things we did.
Kids are grown and gone, freedom abounds in untold ways, and there is a small gap to live one life's to the fullest before retirement creeps in and we are too old to enjoy life to the fullest.
I want the gusto, but not in the form of an all night bar with booze, dancing and Mr. Right Now. I want someone with depth and intelligence and humor, and who doesn't waste my time talking ad nauseum about his failed relationships or his crazy ex's. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2009 12:00:48 PM | "As far as women being taught to continue to be girls and girlies...what the heck is wrong
with keeping a young attitude while you go about your daily mature adult things?
Sheeeesh...I'm a woman who often thinks of herself as a "girl" and my daughters and
I are known as "girlies"."
You are missing the whole point completely. Many can not see the forest for the trees.
There is a certain (hopefully small) minority who work on keeping the old boy society alive. Advertising and soap operas mess with women's heads.
Have all the fun you want.................can't think why you wouldn't. Just don't buy into the women are girls because they aren't fully functional adults................"you know", emotional wrecks, dumb blondes.............the list goes on if what girls are all about. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2009 12:18:41 PM | I have read the OP over and over again! And, truthfully? I don't know whether to laugh, or cry! In all seriousness, I can't fathom referring to a female as a girl, based on her lifestyle, her choices, and her decisions. Does a girl, become a woman, by age of majority? Or by standards of maturity? If she chooses to party, hang out in a bar, ride the wildside, it doesn't determine her status as a girl or woman! It only illustrates her preferences in life, and where she may be at.
To render a verdict, based on what you have perceived OP, seems to me, to be a harsh judgement without fact. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2009 12:39:14 PM | How about the legal definition of what a women is! ie. an adult.
There is a commercial on for a wrap sandwich sold by a fast food chain. The two men are both arguing because one of the had a button made which he wears that says he is WrapMan. The other man is arguing that he should be called WrapMan. The first man says "you can be WrapBoy", to which the reply is "but I am a man". At this point in the commercial a middle aged women walks through the office where they work, and both the men say "Hi, WrapGirl". ...................... Advertising at it's best. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2009 12:43:35 PM | I hav ean old friend going thru this but with her I think the issue is that while she was young she wasn't really wild and crazy. She wasn't sexually active, didn't drink or do drugs. After her last divorce she just went ape sh**.
I agreed to meet her and a couple of other gals at a bar a few weeks back but insisted I was bringing my bf with me (cuz I wasn't gonna get out on the dance floor with a bunch of middle aged women putting on some kind of lesbian fantasy freak show in miniskirts with their saggy boobs pushed up under their chins thanks to WonderBra) so we sat at a different table so as not to cramp their style. I went over to introduce myself to one of her female friends and the woman proceeds to tell me how she hates this particular bar and how she had wanted to go somewhere with "quality men." WTF?!?! "Well, I happen to LIKE this bar and this IS my side of town so I can't say that I see where you're coming from... but then... I'm not in the habit of picking up men in bars to finance a lifestyle." What a b****!
A guy my bf and I sat and played pool with that night invited us back the next week for a 9-ball tournament. At the tournament he asked and made several comments about my friend, indicating interest. I finally told him "Look... she's one of my oldest and dearest friends. I love her death and would do anything for her. But I would not introduce her to any male friend if I knew his interests lay in finding a committe, LTR cuz that's just not where she is in her life. You ain't nuthin but an ATM to her. If that's what you're into, go for it, but don't say I didn't warn you." | |
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Posted: 8/10/2009 12:50:11 PM | ^^^ouch...
You couldn't have just introduced them and left it to them to work out? Maybe she's only playing this role. Maybe she really does want to meet someone with integrity... | |
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Posted: 8/10/2009 12:56:26 PM | | I agree FFS, I was thinking if my friends thought that lowly of me I wouldn't be calling them friends. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2009 1:00:52 PM | | Seems as though our society needs to make a distinction with female titles (Miss, Mrs. & Ms.) while males are the same from birth to death regardless of their marital status, age etc. (Mr.). At one point I had an idea of where I was going with that in order to stay on topic, but it eludes me now. *Poof* Ah well if I remember I will get back with you. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2009 1:02:43 PM |
^^^ouch... You couldn't have just introduced them and left it to them to work out?
I introduced them that night when she came to our table. And I didn't tell him anything she doesn't say herself. Maybe she intends that info to be strictly between her and her gfs, but she's the one who calls me "brutally honest" so she should know I ain't gonna sugarcoat the truth.
Maybe she's only playing this role.
I think she IS playing a role. I think she wants to be who I was d*** near 30 years ago. She WANTS to be wild and she acts like she is but she's really pretty uptight and clueless. I keep warning her her mouth is gonna write a check her a** can't cash. I was fortunate to have guys who were like older brothers to me and they kept me out of alotta trouble. I can't whip a**es for her.
Maybe she really does want to meet someone with integrity...
No. She says she doesn't want to be committed to anyone. She wants to have fun and do her own thing, and not answer to anyone of have them breathing down her neck. | |
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| Girls who should be women
Posted: 8/10/2009 1:15:13 PM | life is filled with 'have to's"
i see nothing wrong with a few "want to's" being tossed in here and there, once responsibilities are taken care of
and if those "want to's" include a night out at a club, or a dance, or even learning how to finger paint all over again... where's the harm? | |
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Posted: 8/10/2009 1:17:12 PM | Over the years I hav been with many 25 year old "Women" and 50 year old Girls".
Maturity or lack of it is not related to one's actual age. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2009 1:21:52 PM | Girl, girlie, woman, femme fatale, diva. These are all just labels. Who cares?!!
I know who I am, know what my priorities are and I am not looking for any kind of approval on how I choose to spend my time. As adults we have earned that right.
I especially dont need anyone's approval on the photos I choose to represent my profile (provided they are within POF guidelines). I dont have any pictures of me in a bar whoppin' it up, but for those that do....it doesnt necessarily mean that is how they spend every free moment either.
Sometimes I wonder just how many inconsequential things people can find to criticize, pull apart and ultimately demonize people, for their personal choices. If it isnt your cup of tea, let it go....and move on. No need to get your knickers in a twist.  | |
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Posted: 8/10/2009 1:24:50 PM | "25 year old "Women" and 50 year old Girls".
To me 18+ equals women legally so that is good for me.
Paris Hilton will always pretend to be a girlie girl and use the word. Dance on her stripper poll on her show, plus in her Club. Make sex tapes, and pretend they were stolen. It is all about what image sells, including what some people find acceptable that others don't. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2009 2:02:57 PM | I don't seriously care how many trees are in the forest...I'm a woman, girl, girlie
and whatever the heck else I want to be.
Maybe someone should start a petition to outlaw the terms girlfriends and
boyfriends on anyone over the age of 18.
Jaysus kerist.
ahahahahahahahahaha!
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Posted: 8/10/2009 2:07:36 PM | | If they still have the stamina to go to clubs and have a good time...who is to say it is not age appropriate or pathetic...? more power to them for not being in a rocking chair when they still have the energy to go out and party.......maybe they need to party til they drop..... for them, it is their lifestyle..........let em be.....you don't have to date them if you don't want to.. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2009 2:16:24 PM |
If so, any ideas as to the root causes?
the root cause is that they're stupid, they're looking for a date, they think acting stupid is the best way to get one, and that's the best they've got to offer, so that's what they do.
next question.
meoww cow girl, just because it's not the way you choose to party, it doesn't make them stupid. | |
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