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| Hip Hop vs Rap Posted: 8/26/2009 11:57:12 PM | If you want some real hip hop check out Dutchmassive, kinda is in the same category as Nicolay far as producing goes and with the touch of jazz added, but Dutch IMO is better. He works with Dela,Von Pea from Tanya Morgan,Median,Celph,etc. Alot of cats never heard of him so im trying to get the word out.
But rap to me, is that bubble gum shit, rapping about nothing, just something you can dance to club to, but hip hop comes from the heart, you speak whats real, but thats just me. | |
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| Hip Hop vs Rap Posted: 8/28/2009 2:10:33 PM | rap is more soul.. it's more a sothern thing. i think of outkast, goodie mob, cool breeze, etc.
hip hop is very lyrical... wu-tang, KRS, tribe, etc. NY is hip-hop
west coast is more gangsta rap. w/ snoop, kurupt, sugafree, etc. | |
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| Hip Hop vs Rap Posted: 9/2/2009 7:41:17 PM | Didn't realize there was a diffrence | |
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| Hip Hop vs Rap Posted: 9/2/2009 8:19:53 PM |
If you want some real hip hop check out Dutchmassive, kinda is in the same category as Nicolay far as producing goes and with the touch of jazz added, but Dutch IMO is better. He works with Dela,Von Pea from Tanya Morgan,Median,Celph,etc. Alot of cats never heard of him so im trying to get the word out.
We don't say damn, we just whoaaaaaaaaa. Haha.
You really know some stuff about some good underground hiphop. I was pretty stoked about Nicolay's City Lights Vol. 2 being that I played Vol 1.5 like crazy, but after hearing that sampler, I'm kind of worried about how it's going to end up.... | |
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| Hip Hop vs Rap Posted: 9/3/2009 5:47:32 AM | | I agree some of my favorite artist are masta ace, brother ali, murs, atmosphere, slaine, slaughterhouse and many more | |
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| Hip Hop vs Rap Posted: 9/14/2009 12:56:46 PM | two sides of the same coin . Rap is for kids in middle school . Hip hop is for those that can understand the concepts . Pastor Troy , lil wayne , three six , Beanie Siegel= Rap MF Doom , Murs , Mobb Deep , Little Brother =hiphop
Both have there place in the spectrum of entertainment but arguably have vastly different followers.
Mf Doom will change your perception on both .( had to throw that out there) | |
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| Hip Hop vs Rap Posted: 9/14/2009 5:40:14 PM | | There is some good hip hop if you look around, a band I have really got into the last few days is G Love & Special Sauce, they are freaking brilliant because their songs have meaning and they don't play strictly hip hop. They do an excellent blend of rock, blues, reggae, funk and hip hop so they have some great music. I only have a copy of Superhero Brother but after having listened to it several times, I will certainly look into some more of their material. | |
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| Hip Hop vs Rap Posted: 9/23/2009 4:21:05 PM | Technically rap is a product of hiphop culture.
Basically there are 4 pillars to hiphop culture. Turntablism (DJing), Rapping, Graffiti & Break Dancing. Some would argue there are 5 with the inclusion of Beat Boxing, but that is debatable.
There is no such argument as hiphop vs rap. Some would say this artist is hiphop, and this artist is rap. That is just their opinion. Because it's all rap, which is a part of hiphop culture. | |
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| Hip Hop vs Rap Posted: 9/27/2009 3:33:30 PM | actually your wrong the 5th is not beat boxing some include- being a b-boy.
There are different genres of hip hop/rap, just like you got blues, soft rock, hard rock, heavy metal. In hip hop you got, gangster rap, backpack rap, emo rap, traditional boom bap rap etc... I guess it is nice to see other folks knowing and respecting different genres in a whole music collection. | |
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| Hip Hop vs Rap Posted: 9/28/2009 3:00:04 AM |
actually your wrong the 5th is not beat boxing some include- being a b-boy.
Actually, a b-boy is a break dancer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-boy I am currious what you think a b-boy is?
Some would, as mentioned earlier, consider beat boxing to be a fifth pillar , others would say a beat boxer is an MC (rapper).
Because it's all rap, which is a part of hiphop culture. Not every hip-hop song is rap. There is hip-hop without any vocals, like the Invisible Scratch Pickles, and some with a singer and no rapper, like Shiela E.
Here's a good list of the different hip-hop styles. http://www.rapnews.net/0-202-259247-00.html
Styles upon styles upon styles
Through the good folks at allmusic.com we were able to compile a list of different hip-hop styles. Remember, hip-hop styles are loose and artists often make music that can't be classified with one label.
Alternative: Often eclectic rap that deviates from the traditional hardcore, gangsta, pop and party rap. Artists: Outkast, The Roots, Common, Black Eyed Peas, Michael Franti.
Bass: A fast-paced dance floor sound frequently associated with Miami and Atlanta, where deep bass accompanies beats that travel at breakneck speeds. Artists: DJ Magic Mike, Luke.
Chopped & Screwed: According to allmusic.com, Houston's DJ Screw had an uncanny mixing style where his records were pitched down to a slow and lumbering pace. Artists who have employed this style: Lil Flip, David Banner.
Crunk: A frenetic, energy-driven type of style specifically engineered for the dance floor. Artists: Lil' Jon & The Eastside Boyz, Three 6 Mafia.
East Coast: Or more specifically northeast U.S. sound, the first nationally recognized hip-hop epi-center. Dense, aggressive break beats — a dominant repetitive drum beat — but also jazz-oriented dusty-grooves. Artists: Notorious B.I.G., Jay-Z, Nas, Talib Kweli.
Gangsta: An edgy and often profane hip-hop style where the common element is the content: gritty street tales that portray a dim reality where the artist can be the subject or the observer. Artists: 2pac, 50 Cent, Lloyd Banks.
G-Funk: A specific sound that employs P-funk, melodic synthesizers and slow and steady grooves. This style is most identified with the West Coast gangsta aesthetic of the mid-1990s. Artists: Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Warren G.
Golden Age: A period in hip-hop between 1986 and 1993. Many argue that the best hip-hop albums were recorded during this era. Artists from that period: Public Enemy, Eric B. & Rakim, Slick Rick.
Hardcore: Both a description of the content and of the sonic quality, which often has a minimalist sound bed of a sample and hard drumbeat. Artists: Jadakiss, DMX, Lil' Kim
Old School: Hip-hop at the beginning, before it became such a mainstream commodity. Artists: Sugarhill Gang, Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five, Kurtis Blow, Doug E. Fresh, Run D.M.C., The Fat Boys.
Pop Rap: Hip-hop music specifically tailored to have a radio-friendly, crossover type of appeal. Artists: P. Diddy, Will Smith.
Southern: The most identifiable elements are ''bounce'' beats and deep bass-grooves that often are party-centered, or can be created in the tradition of Southern soul and blues. Artists: Ludacris, David Banner, Lil' Flip, T.I.
Trip-Hop: Down-tempo soul, funk and jazz over a breakbeat. It's also a dance-based techno music, but set to a hip-hop groove. Artists: DJ Shadow, tricky, Morcheeba, Portishead.
Underground: Purist, avante-garde hip-hop that strives to align itself with the sound's origins. The music tends to place an emphasis on lyricism and unconventional beats. Artists: Madlib, MF Doom, El-P, Jurassic 5.
West Coast: While it could be described as any hip-hop from this particular region, West Coast also can describe a sound: slow grooves, Parliament-Funkadelic samples and synthesizers. Artists: Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg. | |
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| Hip Hop vs Rap Posted: 9/28/2009 1:59:51 PM | ^West Coast and G-Funk sound like the same thing.
That's interesting, though. I think it's easy to just assume a lot of rap sounds the same if you're not well versed in it. But I guess that's probably what a lot of non-metal fans probably do with metal as well. They can't differentiate between black metal, death metal, melodic death metal, grindcore, doom metal, noisecore, etc.
I consider myself a moderate hip hop fan (typically older stuff and underground stuff.... I pretty much avoid the mainstream), but I never really realized there were so many subgenres until you laid them all out like that.
You left out a genre, too, by the way.
Horrorcore: Violent, horror movie and supernatural-themed lyrics over beats often involving guitars. Artists often wear face paint. Originated out of Detroit (well, technically Houston if you count the Geto Boys). Artists: Esham, ICP, Twiztid, Anybody Killa, SHSM. | |
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| Hip Hop vs Rap Posted: 9/29/2009 9:04:20 PM | | I have been listening to the Beastie Boys the last couple of days, yeah they are a joke rap group but they are funny as hell with some great tunes and great rhymes. | |
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| Hip Hop vs Rap Posted: 10/2/2009 9:51:12 AM | mate if your into underground hip hop you wanna go check out a uk rapper called "jehst" guys a genius. the older stuff is much better.
old cannibal ox shit is deep aswell, murs liff n the rest are doin it. c rayz walz is crazy love that guy. mobb deep's early days cant beat that. classic shit | |
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| Hip Hop vs Rap Posted: 10/4/2009 12:24:30 AM | I have to laugh because we're all a bunch of white dudes talking about hiphop. :P
Technically speaking " Invisible Scratch Pickles" is turntablism. That's Q-Bert, Shortkut, Mixmaster Mike and Apollo.
Basically what I said in my previous post is all rap is hiphop. Just like all turntablism is hiphop as well. There are bands with hiphop influences, like Portishead and Morcheeba. But they are not technically hiphop.
Let's face it, hiphop has influenced all other music genres. Every last one. But from a purist's point of view, there is a clear distinction between a hiphop song and a hiphop influenced song. | |
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| Hip Hop vs Rap Posted: 10/4/2009 12:34:48 AM | In addendum to your hiphop sub genre list, you left off Nerdcore. :P There are plenty of people who enjoy Paul Barman, MC Chris and Deltron 3030.
I have no idea why. I find it annoying, but hey, it's still hiphop. :) | |
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| Hip Hop vs Rap Posted: 10/7/2009 7:07:29 AM | as a 57 year old man, i know i am open to criticism but here goes.
to me, rap is a different genre altogether from hiphop. they just happen to have originated from the same (urban) culture.
rap is more of the audiolizing of your emotions, feelings, thoughts, sentiments and OUTRAGE. you are telling your audience something about what's inside you.
hiphop is more flowing with a dance beat. i like to dance and grind so i prefer hiphop.
can anyone correct this "older" gentleman or am i basically correct? | |
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| Hip Hop vs Rap Posted: 10/7/2009 10:40:24 AM | MC Chris for the win......
Would you really consider Deltron nerdcore? I've followed Del since about 1993, but I never thought to put him in that category. | |
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| Hip Hop vs Rap Posted: 10/22/2009 4:33:20 AM | My ignorance is revealed. I did not even know there was a difference.
But then again how many out there know the difference between Thrash and Grindcore?! | |
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| Hip Hop vs Rap Posted: 10/22/2009 6:34:53 PM | | prob not many and thats the pt I was trying to make I think most people no matter how old or young could find a genre that was appealing to them. | |
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| Hip Hop vs Rap Posted: 10/28/2009 1:00:05 PM | I agree. Hip hop is the culture, rapping is apart of the culture. That's why KRS says "I am Hip Hop" because he embodies the 5 elements of the culture. Now there are many genres of hip hop. Thats why when someone tells me they like hip hop I ask what kind. Underground,mainstream,etc. Is Drake a hip hop artist, yes he is because he's a rapper. He just happens to be a wack a$$ one. Maybe the question should be are rappers embodying the culture? Or maybe its a difference of rapper vs. Lyricist. | |
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| Hip Hop vs Rap Posted: 10/29/2009 6:36:22 AM | | for me its acid house i cant stand that blap! blap! blap! stoof. | |
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| Hip Hop vs Rap Posted: 11/17/2009 11:55:48 AM | Hip-Hop is the culture and backing for rap. Hip-Hop isn't just music, but like I said, it has to do with culture, like grafitti art, b-boying, etc.
Rap is the music that goes with it.
Having been a hip-hop fan since childhood, I can say that I can care less about today's rap, unless it's underground or guys who I have liked, as well as have had a great deal of respect for since day one. I am open to any form of rap, whether it's the experimental kind, hardcore kind, you name it. As long as it appeals to me. | |
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| Hip Hop vs Rap Posted: 11/18/2009 7:38:25 PM | I find anything past 1998 or around that year is more hip hop and real Rap started dying. The 80's and early 90's is what I call real rap and had more meaning.
So I would say no, most people don't have a clue | |
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| Hip Hop vs Rap Posted: 11/19/2009 9:23:33 AM | | "The Revolution Won't Be Televised" lol | |
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