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| I think Girls have it a lot easier than Guys when it comes to Love, Dating, Relationships, etc.
Posted: 9/9/2009 8:28:10 AM | | I don't agree with the OP in that general rule that women as a group have it easier. However I do believe that some women do have a lot more guys approaching them than men, at least in the online dating scene. Let's face it physical attractiveness does play a role in how often someone is hit on for either gender online or off. But women do approach guys nowadays. I've even had that happen to me on occasion here although not one with whom I really felt any attraction. | |
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| I think Girls have it a lot easier than Guys when it comes to Love, Dating, Relationships, etc.
Posted: 9/9/2009 8:38:13 AM |
I'm a guy who thinks Women have it way easier, or just not as hard as Men do when it comes to Love, Dating, Relationships, Boyfriend/Girlfriend, etc. Does anyone else have to agree with that?
The reason why is because it's easier for a girl to get a boyfriend than it is for a guy to get a girlfriend. If you're hot and a girl, then it's much easier to get a boyfriend. But if you're not hot and a girl, it gets much harder, because you're waiting to be asked, and very few are doing the asking. But then, what I've noticed, is that hot girls tend to have lots of dodgy guys hitting on them, so much so, that as much as 90% of the guys who ask them out are really dodgy, the types of guys she wished she'd never met. Of the women I've known over the years, the women who aren't hot, tended to have very few dates, but they mostly turned into good relationships, and the women are are hot, tended to have lots of dates, but most didn't get more than past sex, and the ones who turned into relationships were mostly abusive relationships. Long term, over several years, the not-so-hot girls have it far, far better.
For guys, the only thing that I've seen is that the guys who go out a lot, and ask a lot of girls out, tend to get a lot of dates, but for most of those guys, a lot of their dates also turn out to be psychos as well, who stab them, or who steal from them, or generally make their lives miserable.
I'd say that really, if you want to date more often, then simply go out a lot, talk to a lot more women, and ask a lot of women out. Even the top players on this site said that even in their heyday, they only got one "yes" out of five. So you really need to be asking out AT LEAST 5 women every day. If you're doing that, you won't be single long. | |
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Posted: 9/9/2009 8:49:00 AM | You know I have heard this twice in the last week from two different men and the truth is this.
I think both men and woman can get an equal amount of dates if they will just go out with anyone, if they have no criteria or very little criteria like "he has got to be 6 foot" or "she has got to be hot." Sorry, but there are a lot of shallow daters. And some people date, just to date, simply with the intent to go out with someone for the evening, nothing more. And those dates are also fairly easy to find.
Now, if you are someone like me who actually require some substance, well that is when it gets tricky. Because substance is very hard to find, for men and women alike.
I think it is a question of quantity vs.. quality. If you are looking for quality, man or woman, you are sitting home a lot. | |
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| I think Girls have it a lot easier than Guys when it comes to Love, Dating, Relationships, etc.
Posted: 9/9/2009 10:49:43 AM | Cass thinks she's Virgina Woolf or Gloria Steinem and males don't understand the odd feminist.
And where did I say we should go back? I'm talking about compromise here. I think some people want it all and want males to dutifully except everything. Some women and special interest groups changed voting practices and the laws etc for their own interests. So who is inflexible? Ha maybe I'll get a mail-order bride from the Philipines or whereever that knows her place (barefoot and ...) And I will proudly wear my wife-beating sleeveless t-shirt and have to keep her locked up in a cage in the basement. To keep her from watching Oprah or hooking up with the bored gossipy 400 pound freshly seperated male hating menopausal tyrant psychopath next door whose knows all the dirt on everyone in the neighborhood and thinks she's perfect. Seriously I don't want some complacent pushover.
Where I think the problem is some people have over inflated egos that are either self-depricating and/or self entitled with all the media etc out there. They bought the marketing, self promotion and maybe are self absorbed. They develop unreal expecations of themselves or what ideal partners should be, are becoming/became impossible to please or live with.
I'm sick of people who brush-off conspiracies. It takes more then one person to change a continent or the world. Cass probably believes Oswald shot JFK still with the curving bullets?!? Not everything is a conspiracy but big events and big change involves usually more then one person. And I don't care what Cass says about this. There are people trying to muddle relationships or marriage and having kids on this continent. They are same people are hiding behind this mish mash and other's to confuse and disunify groups promotioning either individualism or other group rights (divide and conquor the majority.) Remember the million man march? Did you see how these special interest groups s*it themselves when a few guys got together to reaffirm marriage vows or promise to be better partners?!? And what happened some revolution? Ridiculous. So the new power structures (small groups of people trying to manipulate the majority) is totally paranoid of anything that challenges their power or influence. It's just another heirarchy dialectic flip-flop anyhow really or a distraction. Stats on middle-class North Americans and offspring numbers have been getting smaller as compared to the past. With education, birth control, better healthcare, etc families in NA are having less kids whereas other cultures are still having more.
I deal with alot of people each day. And what I'm seeing from this propaganda etc bugs me. Alot of twenty-somethings are spoiled brats. Not all here again, but some of their values or lack of upbringing or discipline are brutal. Laws have changed where disciplining kids is impossible. The odd light spank on the rear is like killing your kids now. Or the neighbor next door may rat on you. I think some kids have divorced their parents as well. What I'm seeing is alot of young women are acting like young guys or boys, or worse. So in this anything goes for the kids and do everything they want ("me generation") some of them now have the social skills of boys or wild animals. Funny what the odd feminist dispised in males (all men are pigs) some of the younger women have become. Loud, obnoxious, promiscious, no manners (burping and farting like guys or worse) or moody rebellious or anti-social.
Yeah it's messed. And it will probably get worse. The crap on TV, the economy, the weather etc is out of balance or messed. Greed, special interest, minority rule, corporate power etc are all part of the confusion and disunity out there. | |
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| I think Girls have it a lot easier than Guys when it comes to Love, Dating, Relationships, etc.
Posted: 9/9/2009 2:36:02 PM | Well, I agree with the thread starter's original post.
Women DO have it easier in THAT sense. All they have to do is be cute (and sometimes they don't even have to be cute, lol) and they can get a date, some attention, asked out, hit on, called all day, sex, presents, etc.
HOWEVER, men have it easier AFTER that. Because once a woman is in LOVE with a man, or INFATUATED with him, it is MUCH harder for her to walk away from the relationship EVEN if he turns out to be a jerk. She has to deal with a LOT.
So, in a sense, it all evens out in the end. | |
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| I think Girls have it a lot easier than Guys when it comes to Love, Dating, Relationships, etc.
Posted: 9/10/2009 1:58:17 PM | | Yeah that is what I mean, women have it a lot easier than men do initially, in the beginning, they have it easy on the part when it comes to getting a date or entering a relationship. I know women get tired of waiting for someone to make the first move on them, approach them or ask them out, i'm sure that is not fun, but I can guarantee that it is a lot better than getting rejected constantly from every girl you hit on and ask out. | |
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| I think Girls have it a lot easier than Guys when it comes to Love, Dating, Relationships, etc.
Posted: 9/11/2009 2:07:43 AM | I think Pure is talking about some women who maybe in abusive-dependancy type relationships? I sounds like he is into some kind of conselling job. These maybe worse case scenerios. I think most women today would leave and abusive relationship pretty quick.
By the way Dru phrased the thread it's more then just the initial asking out. I looked or attempted to look at the whole deal.
I don't think it balances out in the long run because of everything I listed in an above post on average. Guys are still losing houses, sole custody, lack the support groups, abuse cases etc. Its slowly changing but the system still supports or geared toward women because of how it was changed to turn the tide for women's rights etc fairly recently. It's slowly becoming more balanced. | |
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| I think Girls have it a lot easier than Guys when it comes to Love, Dating, Relationships, etc.
Posted: 9/11/2009 3:23:34 AM | Maybe for the odd guy they're no so quick to jump into relationships knowing what the system is like now.
I know from what I've seen and the past relationships I've been in recently, I'm in no hurry either...
Guys talk and from what I get from some of them, they're sick of what's going on out there (the imbalance and double standards) and are more cautious to get involved.
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| I think Girls have it a lot easier than Guys when it comes to Love, Dating, Relationships, etc.
Posted: 9/11/2009 3:44:01 AM | Cry me a river dude.
Males initiate it even in the animal kingdom. It's nature, the way of life.
And if you're too shy, then you should work on it, the world isn't going to end if a girl turns you down.
Shy girls are cute. But shy guys who can't even wrack the nerve up enough to say "hey, wanna hang out sometime, see a movie or something?" Pretty pathetic.. | |
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Posted: 9/11/2009 4:03:13 AM | oh blahblahblah! geez - I was going to say "grow some" - but I'd rather have a man who already has them! and who isn't asceered to go for what he wants. Men do that.
MEN don't whine and blame feminism for their inability to find a friggin date! holibatcrap
The last 2 "dates" I was on - I initiated! and ya know what? .. I won't be seeing either of those guys (not as dates) again. I would much rather hold out for a MAN who wants me and isn't put off by the fact that I have the right to vote, that I have the same Human Rights as him and that I just might Not do the dishes on a regular basis! Oh .. and he won't mind that I know a 'wingnut' is not necessarily my last date, nor is a dipstick his brother ... although ... 
I cannot respect a man who is so weak kneed that he would rather live in times when women were treated as possessions. Any male who would want to go back to those b.s. times has serious "power and control" issues.
I am a Woman. I am soft in places 'he' is not. I Can cook and clean and all that domestic stuff IF I Want to!
oh blahblahblah .. why do these whiney threads not get deleted? And why aren't there threads by women saying things like: "Men these days are spoiled and unyielding. Many of them can't cook and expect me to make the meals after working all day, Then do the dishes too!?" OR "I think it's easier for men these days with all the porno out there .. they hardly need a Real woman" .. blahblahblah
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Posted: 9/11/2009 12:05:07 PM | Again where did I say we should go back?!? That's not going to happen.
I'm not really hung up on asking someone out. I just don't know with all the stuff out there working in some women's favour, many guys aren't rushing to get exploited or plundered because the relationship is over. The nature of relationships or what tends to play out maybe bothering some guys.
And who whined to get all the rights and all?
Yeah "tough or strong" just take it all up the *ss and don't complain. Strong silent types that don't talk? Yeah then there are comunication issues (because they don't talk.) For some they want you to be by behind the eighth-ball all the time. Damed if you do damed if you don't. | |
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Posted: 9/11/2009 12:19:02 PM | Msg: 390 by 4whoiam:
Males initiate it even in the animal kingdom. It's nature, the way of life. Nah. I've SEEN animals. It's the FEMALE who initiates the mating ritual. Men just preen around until ONE female indicates she's interested in mating, and then, the males fight, until SHE picks one to mate with. If a male tries to initiate foreplay with a female before she's shown she's interested, then in the animal kingdom, she'll BITE him, HARD!
And if you're too shy, then you should work on it, the world isn't going to end if a girl turns you down. I agree. Just face facts and ask women who are friends of yours what they think about other women. Most women will say ALL other women are b*tches, hoes, or dumbos. At least, that's what most women say to me about other women, and nearly all my friends were women, from when I was 14 to to when I was 35. At the end of the day, remember that you might want to put women on a pedestal, but really, they don't belong there. They're as scummy as men, and when it comes down to it, there are LOTS of very scummy men, and women are no different. Women just LOOK better. So just keep asking women out, but don't take their personality seriously, not until you know them well enough to say that if they were a guy, that you'd STILL be their friend, and how many women have you met who are like that?
Shy girls are cute. But shy guys who can't even wrack the nerve up enough to say "hey, wanna hang out sometime, see a movie or something?" Pretty pathetic.. Shy girls are cute in Western society, because we train girls to be docile, and do what men say, and shy girls seem far more likely to do what their men want. Shy men are only pathetic if it's there on a plate, and they aren't just taking it. Mind you, if it's on a plate, then what does that say about the woman?
Seriously. Lighten up. Don't take anyone seriously till they've PROVED they are worth it, and women's looks and their ability to get you laid doesn't count in that. Good-looking women are like rich men. Many are a**holes, and even though they are rich, and pretend they'll spend their money on you, doesn't mean they'll do it. The only thing rich men and good-looking women respect is men who stand up to them, and will treat them as if they were poor, and ugly. Do that, and they'll be crawling all over you, and if they aren't, you won't care. You'll just get another one to hang with.
Just to be fair, I'm saying TREAT THEM RIGHT! Treat them well because they are good people who are helpful to everyone, not because they have a nice body or a pretty face. | |
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Posted: 9/11/2009 12:27:23 PM | I know I posted the other day, but since then I have learned how though this dating game is. I almost just want to remain single and not always be wondering if she's really into me or not.
I have been dating this lady for about a month now. I met her in a local meetup group here in Seattle, and there has always been the attraction to her. She's going to be 50 and looks about 38, I like that, but it isn't everything. She's fun and we have great conversation.
She tells me after the first 2 dates she wants nothing serious which I whole heartedly respect. So the next date, I have no clue how to treat it. I am not one to force myself on her, but also like to let her know that I am interested, but touching, putting my arm around her etc. We went dancing that night, and I asked her on a slow dance, and she tucked herself right into me which I really liked the closeness, but again I respect her wished and try not to read into that, but it is tough not to do when this beautiful woman puts her self so close.
She is in a different situation at home and is ready to move out. But that night she tells me that she doesn't want to go home, becuase she can't stand it there. I told her that I would invite her to my place, but with what she had told me about her wants didn't think it would be the right thing to do.
I invited her over for dinner and a movie next Friday, and she said yes.
So now I am stuck on what to do with my next move. I don't want to be too pushy nor do I want to act like there is no interest in her. So do I ask her to stay the night or just let the night happen?
So at this time I would love some feedback for a man who is not used to this dating stuff. I have wanted to go outside my box and making dinner for a woman is definitely that.
So right now I say it is tougher for men, LOL.  | |
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Posted: 9/11/2009 12:30:41 PM | to Drusurfer06
Makes sense, but I don't want to end up trying too hard or look desperate, because women can sense and smell desperation from miles away.
Trust me pal, it's easier this way. I found when you are 'looking' or hunting for a relationship, people have this weird vibe they can pick up right away not to mention, you tend to attract wrong people into your life much more stressful. | |
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Posted: 9/11/2009 12:56:52 PM | | bowflex...thanks....sorry. i am extremely traditional. in regard to your date....just allow it to happen. BUT, be prepared for any outcome. to me, it sounds as though you are receiving mixed messages. she may be confused. while there would certainly be no harm in asking her to stay, she has expressed her feelings and you must be willing to accept them, whatever they are. | |
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Posted: 9/11/2009 4:01:30 PM | It's a scientific fact that women generally have the upper hand in dating and relationships... it differs somewhat from person to person, depends on what social power a person has, and to what degree.. but women out of the gate are more likely to be the fastest horse.
They generally have more power than men when it comes to romantic relationships. They have the beauty... men on average, are only handsome... which is below average on the beauty scale... you are not even a five compared to a woman, LOL!
The second biggest power women typically have over men is their relationship skills... the part of the brain in a woman which governs dating and relating interactions is twice as big in a woman as a mans is... medical fact.
In dating, women are like Lamborghinis... men are like Yogos! Sad but true!
Money is power, but when when it comes to love, it can be a fleeting power... even if a man has money, there is a little thing called divorce where she can leave a man but take lots of his money with her! Scarry! Watch out for golddiggers!
Status is another fake power... as is fame and fortune... problem is, in time, she may find out who you really are!
Looks pretty bleak for guys, doesn't it?! But hold on to your hat cowboy, I'm going to tell you
how to wrestle that 2-ton steer.
yes, beauty opens a lot of doors, so it is a tremendous power. That said, to stay in the party, personality rules... especially longterm. If you are a smart guy, make personality the number one priority and you will win... and beauty will not be as powerful an influence over you. Give the average lady a chance... you know, when you're in love, your partner can look better to you than he/she really is!! LOL!
There are things a man can do to level the playing field.
1) Workout: Workout to improve you looks and up your power.. it's still not going to supersede beauty, but it will help. Also, women's beauty is only a temporary power... beauty fades with age. Things are looking better now!
2) Because men usually do the asking in the beginning, there is some wiggle room on that power. The more women you ask out, the more chance you will get a "yes". Statistical fact.
3) Love is the great equalizer... if you date a woman for a couple months and she falls deeply for you, she can be putty in your hands. Women in love do it better. | |
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