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 dysfunction_junction
Joined: 7/17/2008
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"May be I'm not communicating in a way that men understand.", hardly crosses your minds. You fully assign the blame to us, but none to yourself - at least that's how it seems from our perspective.

frankly i don't understand what all the frustration here is about. communication is the results you get. it's also a whole lot like a dance, because really effective communication requires being able to make subtle adjustments to either what you're saying, or how you're saying it, or maybe both, to get your point across especially if it isn't effective the first time it comes out of your mouth.

but it's more than just that, because effective communication is also a two-way street. you can be the most effective communicator in the world but if the person receiving the words can't or won't hear what you've got to say without passing it through some kind of a bizarre perceptual filter (it happens all the time), then probably not much can be done about it. and of course you can be completely open and receptive to what somebody else to say, but if they're all obtuse & shit and their thought process sucks, they're never going to make themselves understood.

somewhere in between the poles of perfect thought expression and perfect listening, there should be more than enough wiggle room to actually get most thoughts clearly through the wires without having a meltdown, a conflict, or a blaming marathon. why is this such a big deal? if that's not happening, then either one or both parties need to be willing to take a few steps back and figure out why. or maybe just give up and have a beer.


oh, and most of the stuff in post #353 sounds just like the kinda dull, tedious bullshit that goes on at every half-drunken frat scene where the median I.Q. is only slightly higher than the ambient room temperature ;)
 cautiousluv
Joined: 10/4/2008
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Posted: 8/20/2009 2:57:03 PM

We often do not get your no-verbal messages, and many times, to us, your words are ambiguous. We are not clueless. We are only clueless as to why you continue to do something we do not understand, and blame us for not getting it, while the thought of "May be I'm not communicating in a way that men understand.", hardly crosses your minds. You fully assign the blame to us, but none to yourself - at least that's how it seems from our perspective.

x-file, actually after reading through the messages in this thread...the thought DID cross my mind that maybe, just maybe it's true...that you men don't always pick up on what we are trying to communicate unless we are very direct and precise, that's why I made this comment:

See, I'm over here thinking that the men on here are just being difficult. I think MOST (I'm aware NOT all) women are so observant, intuative, can read body language, can read between the lines, KNOWS when someone is flirting with them, it's just hard to believe men are so, let's see how I can put this: CLUELESS??

But has it ever crossed YOUR mind to look at it from our point of view, I know that for me, I do things that come naturally, that includes how I communicate with people so just as you say you don't understand what we are trying to tell you.....we don't understand (honestly) how you could NOT. Like I said ealier, I guess it's because we ARE so observant and intuative and we CAN read between the lines and we CAN read body language, etc. that maybe we assume men should be like that also. But just for the record, I'm not talking about something as ridiculous as putting on lipstick or playing with my hair and expect you to get "I like you from that"...I'm talking more along the lines as we are complete strangers...your at my place of employment....I'm attracted to you, we start talking and the subject is no longer buisness, and I mention that maybe he should come to so and so Thursday night. Ok, so yes, this is my way of saying hey...I'm attracted to you why don't you come to so and so Thursay so we can talk and see if we hit it off....but as rentahusband pointed out.....the guy would still be confused as to why I was asking him to meet me Thursday.
So all arguments and kidding a side, I honestly am starting to get the picture that men are clueless (I know you took that as an insult but it's not) when we are not precise enough when trying to communicate. And I will try to remember that.....but it will still be hard for me.
 Bunky59
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Posted: 8/20/2009 2:59:01 PM
Tool Time syndrome.
 pro-filer
Joined: 5/9/2008
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Posted: 8/20/2009 3:13:27 PM

I do things that come naturally, that includes how I communicate with people so just as you say you don't understand what we are trying to tell you.....we don't understand (honestly) how you could NOT. Like I said ealier, I guess it's because we ARE so observant and intuative and we CAN read between the lines and we CAN read body language, etc. that maybe we assume men should be like that also

This is also called "intuiting", and is something that many people (male or female) who are raised by abusive parents excel at, though they focus on signals that indicate the shyte is going to hit the fan any moment rather than romantic signals.


I'm attracted to you, we start talking and the subject is no longer buisness, and I mention that maybe he should come to so and so Thursday night. Ok, so yes, this is my way of saying hey...I'm attracted to you why don't you come to so and so Thursay so we can talk and see if we hit it off

I'm female, too, and if a guy said something similar to me, I would NOT assume he's interested in me romantically - I'd think he was merely being friendly. My co-workers regularly invite me out with them; am I to then assume they have a romantic interest in me? Not likely - especially the married ones. More specifically, for a time a subcontractor here for a 3-month job gave off all the "flirt" signals that I generally read as "interested" (seeking me out to chat, smiling and winking, innuendos, hugs, etc.) I did eventually invite him out after work, he told me he wasn't looking for romance with me.

The point is, anything less than clear and direct communication is open to being misunderstood any number of ways. To assume someone is "clueless" (however nicely meant) because they don't get YOUR signals is making an assumption that they should be, to some extent at least, able to read your mind.
 cautiousluv
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Posted: 8/20/2009 3:18:29 PM
Rentahusband...I think it's pretty obvious that the women on this thread have no problem SPEAKING THEIR MIND. Lol
 rentahusband
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Posted: 8/20/2009 3:26:19 PM
Rentahusband...I think it's pretty obvious that the women on this thread have no problem SPEAKING THEIR MIND. Lol


Oh I agree, but for some strange reason, when it comes to men they are interested in, they choose not to.....

(which equates back to my starbucks analogy)

My question is: WHY?

And do NOT give me that BS about "because we choose to and if you can't understand it we're not the problem YOU are...".

Nevermind, don't answer that. There's no reasoning in a creature who would wear shoes that cripple them for days just so their legs will look good lol......believe me, I have had to carry more than my share of women to the car because they can no longer walk on their favourite CFMs. One in particular was laid up for a day after because she had so many blisters she couldn't put on socks let alone shoes and WALK.....

(hey, I've been privie to more than my share of the chat that women get into in a group and believe me, they're not all just sitting there nodding and ummhmmming.....if they would only talk to their guy that way, NO miscommunication EVER lol)

What is it that we men hear all the time? OH you should see the way she talks when she's out with the girls, she'd make a sailor blush!!!!!
 ItsMargo
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Posted: 8/20/2009 3:27:54 PM
There is a huge difference in how men and women communicate. A large part of it is cultural... until our teens we learn most of our communication styles in homogenous groups - boys play mostly in groups of boys and girls play mostly with other girls; further girls tend to play primarily in small groups or pairs and boys in large groups.

Men tend to make statements; they'll deliver a piece of information boldly and with authority and wait for it to be challenged. "Verbal aggressiveness" aka "being direct" is normal among men and is simply a structural way of organizing conversation. Women tend to hear this as a personal attack, view it as negative and disruptive and respond defensively. A large part of this comes from how girls are not overtly verbally competitive with each other - much of their communication style is centered around building collaboration and alignment rather than the more challenging male hierarchy.

Even the use of positive minimal responses can cause communication misunderstandings between men and women - the "um-hmms", "yeses" and head nodding that we use when listening to another person. Within the female lexicon, minimal responses are used to signify they are listening to the other and are given much more frequently than men do. Within the male lexicon, a minimal response is usually given to signify agreement. Hence it would not be at all unusual for a man to be saying something and think that all of her minimal responses indicated she was in agreement and, at the end of the conversation, be completely mystified why she is not in agreement or is unhappy. By the same token, in reverse, women get frustrated because they don't feel a man is actually listening to her because of the reduced rate of minimal conversational responses.
 cautiousluv
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Posted: 8/20/2009 3:30:28 PM
Profiler......ummm what? Abusive parents? Lol Ok, I'v had my fair share of "going over to the dark side" lately so I will just say, ummm ok whatever to that bazzar comment. :-). But just for the record, I have a pretty terrific family and I'm blessed to have The parents I have.
 pro-filer
Joined: 5/9/2008
Msg: 359
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Posted: 8/20/2009 3:37:50 PM

Profiler......ummm what? Abusive parents?

This wasn't about you specifically; tt was about the behavior you described when you said "we ARE so observant and intuative and we CAN read between the lines and we CAN read body language," a different name for that behavior, and a different reason behind it. Sometimes comments responding to something that's said in a post isn't actually about the poster.
 Lambro59
Joined: 3/19/2009
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Posted: 8/20/2009 3:40:40 PM
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Yeah right good luck with that.

I don't do "hints". If a woman can't just say whats on her mind, to me it must not be that important. I tell them from day one, I won't pick up on your hints so don't even try 'em on me. Once a woman say's I didn't pick up on her hints, I stop dealing with her. Women say they don't like games, but they play the "hint" game all the time. Luckily for me there are women who say what they mean and mean what they say.
 Arabianangel
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Posted: 8/20/2009 3:51:56 PM
After reading this thread I think I'll become a Lesbian!
 cautiousluv
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Posted: 8/20/2009 4:03:36 PM
Idk rentahusband...I Think this thread has gotten a little ridiculous... We keep repeating ourselves, things are getting twisted around. Ok so I know for me, I was originally commenting on the comment the OP made... And correct me if I'm wrong but didn't it have to do with women liking him and wanting to go out with him but he never realized it because instead of just coming out and saying "hey I like you" they were giving signals instead? So again, correct me if I'm wrong, I think what alot of women, including myself were saying was if we see someone that we are interested in....we are not just going to blurt out, hey, I like you...let's go out. Like I said, I think that put's the other person on the spot and frankly a little embarassing IN MY OPINION. Ok, so that has NOTHING to do with if you are already dating someone.

But anyway, this thread is getting outa hand as well as getting on my nerves so I am going to try my best to stay out of here. :-)
 Commonsens
Joined: 4/6/2009
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Posted: 8/20/2009 4:09:01 PM
After reading this thread I think I'll become a Lesbian!


Good for you, but in case you didn't notice: Women are in no better shape then men.

Now you understand why I refuse all and any proposals? Because I know what I don't want: Games and drama.


 Bunky59
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Posted: 8/20/2009 4:10:21 PM
It is all rather confusing...until it just bowls you over, your brain running in circles because it can't keep up with your heart, the air is magic and electric, you lose the realization that you are even capable of speech, and you don't get over it, until you see that she is as lost as you are.
 lancetyrell
Joined: 6/18/2006
Msg: 365
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Posted: 8/20/2009 4:18:29 PM
Hmmm... This has been and interesting thread. What I am seeing so far is that someone, wayyyyy back said that he would like there to be less ambiguity with communication, and expanded on that, and rather a lot of the laydeez have responded as if it were a direct personal attack. (This behaviour was mentioned in passing by another poster illustrating the differences in verbal communication between men and women.)

The problem is that many women DO claim to be making "obvious" hints, when in fact if one were to act on the basis of that, one could be arrested. For instance, if a woman makes eye contact with me, and smiles, is she being a) friendly, b) flirty, c) playing it by ear as she left her contacts at home, and thinks you are someone else? I have have been told be members of the opposite persuasion about their, "hints", and asked why I have ignored them, as have other friends, and have had one wonderful ex fly into a mood when I had responded well as she came through singing. (I was foolish enough to point out that she hadn't been singing, only to be told she was singing INSIDE .

To respond to every smile, glance, and hair flick in a positive manner as if they were "signals" could result in a lot of pain in certain areas, or simple hoots of derision as some sort of guy who hits on anything and everything and is "only after one thing". Sorry to disappoint you ladies on here, but there ARE lots of you out there who love to flirt simply for fun, and there ARE lots of you who act in a really friendly manner which could easily be misconstrued by someone not entirely au fait with the local repertoire.

To be told that it is simply the fault of the man is like saying someone is at fault for not learning a foreign language in case a tourist speaks to them, instead of the tourist learning some of the local lingo. In addition, it is also incredibly unhelpful. If things are really that bad, and us guys are that simple, why not educate us? It makes things better for us, but it also makes things better for yourselves, and other women.

Men ARE normally fairly direct creatures, and if in a relationship, or even trying to start one, we can't be bothered to fathom out what the word "Nothing" means THIS time in answer to a question asked, especially if out of concern. You might think it means "There is an issue I wish you to probe in more detail, and possible listen to my opinion", but in fact we tend to go by the dictionary definition which doesn't change dependant on the time of day, month, year, or whatever other person has rattled your cage.

Clear concise communication should always be desireable, but to blame someone because they don't get your hints is preposterous, as any rational person should realise that just maybe their hints were not as clearcut or unambiguous as they first thought. BTW, PLEASE don't get me started on the no-win questions either, like "does my bum look big in this?" or somesuch...lol

As far as reading body language goes, I had to become reasonably adept over 16/17 years working as a door steward (as my second job, away from the lab) in a number of pubs and clubs, and also used to alleviate the boredom by peoplewatching too. I am sorry girls, but from what I saw, and going by discussion with men AND women over the years, it has to be concluded that there are a sizeable minority of women who are totally ambiguous in their "signals" and "hints", and plenty who deliberately send out the wrong ones. There ARE also a lot of guys who do this too, but many of them are much more direct, and simply practice the confident swagger and tell the ladies what they want to hear. (Not insult intended, but a lot of you DO appear to like this approach) The funny part is that the ones who are most unclear and ambiguous appear to be the ones who get most worked up about it when confronted. Just an observation

 sweet lady Lori
Joined: 3/19/2008
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Posted: 8/20/2009 4:48:13 PM
Here's a little hint for you men;
(No pun intended)

(Most of us) women really aren't all that complicated...
...just "listen" to a woman's body language ~ by her actions, she is "saying" everything you need to hear!
 Commonsens
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Posted: 8/20/2009 4:50:24 PM
here we go again!

look at my back as I leave and try to figure out what it means.....
 zangie
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Posted: 8/20/2009 6:18:22 PM
Thank you itsmargo...and I admit to falling prey to that belief myself...

The funny thing is, I wasn't even objecting to the the hint/direct thing...so much as the tone of : women who don't do it this way are "bad'"...

Look guys, as you are built and conditioned to be more direct, and have trouble understanding subtleties..we are built and conditioned to be subtle...as it isn't easy for you to change your normal modus operandi...it isn't easy for women to either...some of it it ingrained and natural...not conscious behavior...

I will tell you directly....a lot of my flirting behavior is not thought about at all..I never consciously think..ok, if I lean closer he will know I am interested...I often respond in ways that are an instinctual, without thought? Can you understand why it would be hard, and even confusing, to change something you don't think about in the first place? Especially when the way you have always done it...has always worked? And it is what feels to you a natural way of behaving? I know you guys like clarity, and blunt. And I have actually tried this on occasion..I hate to say this, but, it most often backfires on me.

Seems there are many times when some men don't appreciate direct. I have a very good male friend who can testify to the fact , that I took his advice in no less than three occasions involving men I was involved with...and every time it did not engender appreciation at all..in fact, it seemed to make them madder. And they were good guys, honest.

This is the thing...I have actually adjusted my behavior based on what men whom I respect have said in the forums, because, believe it or not..I do listen when they talk ( as long as they are respectful), and I'm all for trying anything that improves my dating life, or my ability to relate to men. But, so far, most of it just doesn't work for me...or I don't get the result men insist will happen. I can speculate on many reasons why..but, one I have considered, is that because it isn't natural behavior of mine, it comes off as stiff, unnatural...and dishonest? Or pushy and aggressive..which I'm sure most of you will admit are not characteristics that men like in women?

I admire women who can do this with ease...but, I tend to think it is a natural ability they have, or their personality fits it. Not something they forced themselves to do. Or their conditioning while growing up was different.

I tend to find the direct approach harsh, and without feeling. I know this means little to most men, but, for someone who , for good or bad, does have an emotional side , and considers the feelings of others, and their reactions..this is hard. Contrary to my benighted post..lol...I actually have made progress in not reading bluntness as mean.

But, sometimes I backslide ..and my feelings get hurt...and, worse, I read this as : this man doesn't like me. And I like him...so, that really sucks...lol...I am a work in progress, but, there are just some things about me that are not easily changed, and I am not sure they can be, or should be...my emotional side is responsible for most of my good qualities...and like most of us...it would be nice to be accepted for who I was...even if it means that I'm not progressive enough for the times according to some people...

( x-file and others who asked...I did the best I could, in the most direct way I know how..to explain our ( or my..not all women think like me...thank goodness) side...I hope it helped...and it was what you meant...I am not insensitive to your side...I just often feel frustrated I can't execute what you would like, very well, not for lack of trying, but, maybe for lack of not having that skill set?... I actually am all for promoting understanding, and some kind of compromises where possible)

rentahusband: re: your comment about how men have evolved why can't women?

Without meaning this in anyway an insult to you or any other man: And being , again, as direct as I can: Something that has recently been a light bulb moment to me, and I have talked about with friends of mine ( yes, even the guys)...my personal perception is that since the "movement", most women haven't changed all that much, particularly in the realm of dating. But, many men have. A lot.

And I am one that doesn't particularly like or respond to those changes. The simplest analogy I can use: men are (not )attracted to certain kinds of women...this is ingrained, natural, and possibly instinctual...they can't, for the most part, change this preference...what draws me to a man, and what I personally respond to physically in them, is the same. I am not attracted to men who are too much like me...I love the differences..I particularly am drawn to men who are better/smarter/stronger than I am in some areas ( for instance, since I can't think logically well...I actually like men who are very logical). I like to lean on that strength because I don't have it. And it makes me feel more feminine..the contrast?

I have no desire, emotionally, to be that kind of equal with men..it is not "sexy", for lack of a better word...I am sure there are women who are fine with it, and that is cool too. It just isn't me. Besides, as I have mentioned..I do not have the same abilities or skill sets that most men have...so, it's a near impossibility for me to be just like them? Even if I thought it was a good idea ( and sometimes I think it is, and I give it a shot...but, it never feels "right", natural? ), I can not do everything well...and I like to stick with my strengths.

I think I have evolved as a person and am still doing so...but, my evolution will be in the direction of what I think works for me, and plays to my strengths. I can't just take the advice of every guy on here and become a unisex creature...good at it all?

Sorry for the length , and thanks to anyone who read it...and I hope this makes up for that mindless , emotionally driven one...lol...

Also, thank you very much to all who said nice things and understood....
 verityone
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See, I'm over here thinking that the men on here are just being difficult. I think MOST (I'm aware NOT all) women are so observant, intuative, can read body language, can read between the lines, KNOWS when someone is flirting with them, it's just hard to believe men are so, let's see how I can put this: CLUELESS??

You persist on putting the onus on men who don't "jump" at your flirting.

I don't suppose that you've even begun to consider that your flirting is:
1- Being ambiguous.
2- Isn't really as overt and effective at communicating your intentions.
3- Being interpreted as you possibly being nervous, or awkward and shy.
4- Being interpreted as merely being a tease.
5- Being interpreted as a lack of maturity.
6- Quite boring.
7- Not the only flirting the guy is getting.
8- About to get the guy to start looking at more interesting options.
9- Not very original.
10- Merely playing a game when all you really want to do is play tonsil hockey.

I think you assume that a guy who's approached you has no other options.

I guess you never heard the expression "playing the field".

1. If a woman asks you on a date ( or initiates or apporaches you first) do you think:

I'll admire her, immediately.

2..Can you decode female body language or innuendo?

Probably, with a degree of accuracy of 50/50. I'd rather not speculate, ever.
And certainly not with a woman I just met.

3. Do you want me to pay my own way ( or, possibly for you too)?

I expect you to not have the expectation that I'm looking for a dependant, and that I'm one who needs to pay for the company of a woman.
If I sense an expectation that you're a freeloader on a date, then a pattern of expectations is already emerging.

4. If you pay for my drink, coffee, dinner..does this mean

I payed this time. If it's expected a second time, I'll pay, but won't go answer your calls after that.

5. If I pay for your drink, coffee, dinner, does this mean:

You were generous.

If we met outside the internet...does any of this matter?

Yes.

If you think I am the hottest, sexiest, coolest woman you have ever met? Will any of this matter?

Yes.

If the sex is awesome...will you forgive some of my flaws/failings?

That's a different topic.

I never said men should learn woman language, as it is easy to pull apart on part of a sentence ... I said to accept that is the way we are.

Learn that you can speak mostly for yourself. I've never found any shortage of women who communicate clearly with words and clear actions.

Most verbal communication is not applicable or lost in translation anyway.

What?
I'd be inclined to agree if you said "non verbal"....

many women are attracted by the behavior of men, more than what they actually look like, turned on even.

Same for women.
Sexy is, as sexy does.
Nevermind the games of charades.
Trix are for kids...

It has been my experience that persons who cannot communicate and hide behind “jokes” are usually hostile. They try to cover up their adverse nature by saying they were merely joking or teasing.

I agree. There's a huge difference between having a sense of humour and being a "joker".
I don't like clowns, and people who are always "joking" around.

and as a matter of fact, yes I do know I'm witty. I actually get told that quite a bit....I have a great personality, people love being around me....I'm the one that people navigate to at work because I'm fun, I make people laugh, I'm laid back,

Everyone who knows me would describe me exactly as you describe yourself, yet I prefer clearly communicating myself to the opposite sex when I'm interested in getting to know them.

For when I am in a relationship I do expect my man to UNDERSTAND when I smile at him and look at him these unspoken words mean love. That is my language.

Expectations are predetermined resentments.
Never heard that "expectations are a b1tch, and that it sucks to be you"?

otherwise this man will be running around to his friends and posting on the forums that his girlfriend doesn't say I love you enough !!!! Arggggggghhhhh

See? No wonder you're frustrated.
You're picker is broke.
I've never required a verbal affirmation of love.

Personally I've learned to hold back even if I'm crazy about him so if I send out little hints to see if he's getting the same vibe then I can test the waters with care before jumping right in.

Then you've practically paved the way for another woman to get his attention in a more direct way.
You snooze, you lose.

But has it ever crossed YOUR mind to look at it from our point of view

I see your point of view, no problem. I just don't know why you make it out that everyone who doesn't care to play your game has a problem.

Like I said ealier, I guess it's because we ARE so observant and intuative and we CAN read between the lines and we CAN read body language, etc.

Wrong.
Some people would rather speculate than come out directly and ask the question.
I wouldn't want to be with that type of a person either.

Rentahusband...I think it's pretty obvious that the women on this thread have no problem SPEAKING THEIR MIND. Lol

That doesn't mean that they're all speaking effectively or saying anything objective and intelligent.

I have no desire, emotionally, to be that kind of equal with men..it is not "sexy", for lack of a better word...

That's a blanket statement.
You are not the one who determines what men find sexy, nowadays.
And every man is different.

"Men are from earth. Women are from earth. Deal with it." George Carlin

George Carlin was brilliant.
He would be rolling over in his grave over this thread.
RIP.
 Motto_Bella
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Posted: 8/20/2009 7:23:35 PM

Oh I agree, but for some strange reason, when it comes to men they are interested in, they choose not to.....

^ Perhaps they're lovers and not haters.

Am I the only one who sees the irony to this thread?

Nighty night ~
 ItsMargo
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Posted: 8/20/2009 7:24:53 PM
I think it is possible to learn to speak the other language without giving up ones masculinity or femininity. The direct style is simply giving the bottom line first - and then following it up with any necessary details or support. The in-direct, or narrative style, that is favoured mostly by women develops a story, with a lot of details, that leads to the point/bottom line. Men get lost in the story woven by women and women don't feel the connection is made in the direct style used by most men.

Women are socialized as children to not like 'bossy' people so they learn to frame what they want/need/desire in the form of a question or suggestion.... the "hint language" that many men simply cannot hear. It is not that they don't want to hear it, it is that culturally they have been raised in a very direct 'just the facts' environment.

She: "It'd be nice to go see a play today, don't you think?"
The guy answers it as a direct question about his preferences
He: "no"

The woman thinks he doesn't listen to her or care about her wants/desires.
HE is frustrated because if she wanted to go see a play, why didn't she just say so?
 p~s
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Decoding the Female Language
Posted: 8/20/2009 7:35:38 PM

Then you've practically paved the way for another woman to get his attention in a more direct way.
You snooze, you lose.


hahaha! You don't understand, the reason I do this is because when I DO jump right in I usually get burned. It's almost seems that men prefer a woman who's a bit harder to catch.
So what should I look for in a man to see that we are on the same page and moving forward together? What is HIS secret code? So far I don't find men any more direct than women. Or they really don't seem to know what they want, which leads me back to thinking that taking my time and just testing the waters also keeps me from rocking the boat if there's a possible romantic future. I would hate to come on too strong and have him running because I am more interested than he is, especially if I really like him.
 zangie
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Decoding the Female Language
Posted: 8/20/2009 7:55:15 PM

That's a blanket statement.
You are not the one who determines what men find sexy, nowadays.
And every man is different.


I think you misunderstood me...I meant it wasn't sexy to me...not them? And I'm not sure I like that choice of word I used anyway...couldn't articulate that one.. I certainly can't say what men find sexy...if I had that answer I would have the man of my dreams...lol..
 p~s
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Decoding the Female Language
Posted: 8/20/2009 8:22:23 PM

Me,me me me me me me me me me me me........

Where is the mememememem in wanting a two way street relationship huh? What me wants is for him to want the same thing. sheesh.
 ItsMargo
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Decoding the Female Language
Posted: 8/20/2009 8:29:27 PM
oops, it occurs to me I may have made the female hint language in my example a little too direct...

She: "It'd be nice to go see a play today, don't you think?"

I think it is sometimes more like...

I've heard this play is getting good reviews
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