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Posted: 11/3/2009 2:09:15 AM | What we've been told about the vaccination is twofold: (1) As FrogO pointed out, there is far more interest in this vaccine than originally predicted (I'm guessing because 2 kids died of H1N1 in Ontario the week before the vaccine was rolled out) and (2) the manufacturer was originally asked to produce adjuvanted vaccine (even for pregnant women) because that's what's being used here in Canada, but then was asked to switch to a batch of unadjuvanted vaccine for pregnant women.
People were concerned that pregnant women wouldn't get themselves inoculated even though they are in one of the highest risk groups because there has been so much negative propaganda spread about the adjuvant. The result of the sudden switch in production was then a shortage of the regular, adjuvanted vaccine.
It was poorly handled, but in the government's defence, the safety of the vaccine is not the only thing they need to worry about; they also need to worry about people feeling safe when they roll up their sleeve, so that people go get inoculated. Sometimes that means reconfiguring a vaccine, removing a substance that would benefit the recipient, just to ensure the person makes the choice to be inoculated.
The same thing happened with Thermosil. It received bad press, was then deemed safe, but was still removed from vaccines so that parents would not deny their children being inoculated because of a remnant fear. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 7:27:33 AM | In response to Wiyan's questions...Well I'm not a healthcare worker, politician or involved in the Olympics but I am Canadian.
to the first, those are very good questions and ones I would like to see answered. Personally, once the dust has settled, I would love to see a judicial inquiry into the handling of the pandemic. Such an inquiry would have to be open and accessible much like the Walkerton tragedy. At the very least, it would allow for a better response the next time.
As to the second question, again, I'm not on the planning committee so I'm not privy to the discussions. If I were to guess, the first would likely be that by January, they expect to have things more or less contained. Not to mention that there has been a tremendous investment in taxpayer dollars, and human effort, in getting things together. The "PR" would be just as negative if they did. Third, the advice is simple...if you're concerned about catching/spreading H1N1, don't go.
edit: And everything else FrogO and NSlass said. ;-) | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 11:44:47 AM | Wiyan
1. (to a healthcare worker there, or active politician) as NSLass and others have noted, you are short of vaccines-but, didn't the Can gov't already prepay the vax? Or is this really explained by the egg development story (taking longer to produce, and all prepaid orders for vax will indeed be filled??). I'm not sure if it was mentioned yet that GSK (the company producing the vaccine) fell behind when it was called upon to make a special unadjuvanated vaccine for pregnant women. Even taking that into consideration tho, they do seem to have overstated how fast they could produce the vaccine.
2. (To anyone intimately involved with olympic athlete issues-trainers maybe?) How come if there is such a huge pandemic in Canada right now, the B.C. gov't is openly declaring a pandemic all day long in the news and yet NOT cancelling the winter olympics? Aren't they concerned about negative pr, or, people getting sick? Thanks for any knowledge shared-Wiyan When a province spends over 6 billion on the olympics, they don't cancel it because some people get the flu.
I just did 12-hour shifts on the paediatrics floor the last 3 days - half the kids there have H1n1 and it elicits no more concern than any other flu. Considering that some of my patients had MRSA, an illness like H1n1 is kind of a joke.
Great post Earth Puppy! Really? Lets take a look....
earthpuppy
Somehow, I still find it difficult to understand how humans as a species, cannot survive without man-made chemical inputs for things like flu viruses. You're right...medicines don't really help anyone. 
The smallpox vaccine likely prevented somewhere around a billion deaths last century - should we complain about that vaccine too?
Or, the only way we can have food is because it's not suffering from a pesticide deficiency. And having food to eat doesn't help either it seems.
Another scientific discovery you can complain about is the Haber-process. Just think, one guy's discovery now feeds 1/3 of the entire planet. That's gotta be worth an earthpuppyish comment such as "and the only way we can have food is because of fertilizer" don'tcha think?
Its hard to imagine what merit you see in this argument. You're essentially taking the benefits of science for granted then complaining about those benefits. Thats hypocritical.
Tamaflu resistance grew from 12% last year to 100% with this year's H1N1 virus. As of October 2009, only 39 out of over 10,000 samples of 2009 pandemic H1N1 flu tested worldwide have shown resistance to Tamiflu. 39/10000 does not equal 100%. Its closer to 0.4%
To date, 39 resistant pandemic H1N1 influenza viruses have been detected and characterized worldwide...Worldwide, more than 10,000 clinical specimens (samples and isolates) of the pandemic H1N1 virus have been tested and found to be sensitive to oseltamivir . (Oseltamivir is Tamiflu) ~World Health Organization
http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/laboratory23_10_2009/en/index.html
The 1976 vaccine debacle and GWS ... This attempt to discredit vaccines because of the supposed connection between squalene and Gulf War Syndrome is...well...entertaining I suppose. Here's a summary of how this silly idea came about.
One study found that deployed Persian Gulf War Syndrome patients are significantly more likely to have antibodies to squalene than asymptomatic Gulf War veterans. (Incidentally, the vaccine in question was a vaccination against anthrax). The undiscerning crowd of anti-vaccine fundies were undeterred by the study's concluding statement: "It is important to note that our laboratory-based investigations do not establish that squalene was added as adjuvant to any vaccine used in military or other personnel who served in the Persian Gulf War era."
Laughably, and perhaps predictably, the anthrax vaccine did not use squalene - which I find hilarious. What an awesome study that was, lol.
The WHO states that squalene has been present in over 22 million flu vaccines given to patients in Europe since 1997 and there have never been significant vaccine-related adverse events.
The body makes squalene. If it got on our skin, it would help moisturize it. If its injected in our blood, it helps to synthesize cholesterol, vitamin D, and steroid hormones. Naturally, a helpful substance like this is quickly branded by the anti-vaccine crowd as a neurotoxin.
Earthpuppy, I wish you luck on your campaign against humanity as well as continued success on remaining blissfully unaware of the monstrosity of your actions in spreading panic, fear, and lies about life-saving vaccines. Feel free to keep ignoring what the WHO and CDC has to say (since they're honest and try to save lives instead of end them). | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 11:55:25 AM | For anyone living near Vancouver, BC, there is a presentation this Sat, Nov 7th by DR CHRISTOPHER SHAW on his research DISCUSSING EVIDENCE OF NERVE DAMAGE CAUSED BY ALUMINUM AND SQUALENE ADJUVANTS IN VACCINES. INfo is as follows:
Sat Nov 7, 7-9:30P.M.
SPEC Hall 2150 Maple St (cros st 6th Ave), Vancouver
this event is free, donations are not shunned :)
healthcare workers may be interested to hear about Dr Shaw's latest research | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 12:10:45 PM |
"If its injected in our blood, it helps to synthesize cholesterol, vitamin D, and steroid hormones."
If you inject squalene, you cause an immune reaction, so it would not be used to synthesize cholesterol, or vitamin D.
The reason squalene is used in vaccines is to cause a longer immune response than the virus alone would.
The immune response can then also begin to attack the squalene that is in the body, such as in the joints. In this case, you get more than you bargained for, arthritis. The vaccine manufacturers know this and see it is a calculated risk.
They are assuming that the risk of getting an auto-immune problem from the squalene is less than the risks associated with getting the flu. This flu is has not become the danger that it was originally feared to be, and so the lower risk means that the need for squalene to further activate the immune system is not necessary.
If you become informed about the risks and benefits of the vaccine versus contracting the flu you can make this calculation yourself. However, not many physicians are fully informing their patients about the various risks. If you have not educated yourself, then you are allowing the manufacturers and the Doctors to decide for you what is the risk you should be taking. They both have a vested interest that might lead them to be biased in that both of them profit from your leaning toward spending your healthcare dollars purchasing something from them when you are perfectly healthy.
So this is a form of selling insurance. Insurance companies sell healthcare to the people who need it the least; those that are not sick. This is another way to do it... Its actually very creative: injectable insurance.
Its sad that we can't just help people to stay well, and not always focus so much on illness that we have people who are so afraid of getting the flu. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 12:17:23 PM | "...The same thing happened with Thermosil. It received bad press, ..."
Thimerosal is Mercury. It kills bacteria and micro-organisms. That is it's reason for being used in vaccines as a "preservative." It kills the things that grow in the vaccine while it is being stored and shipped. I think a better method would be refrigeration, if you ask me.
It also kills humans if the dose is the same by body weight. Mercury is always toxic. There is no safe level of Mercury in the human body, or any living organism's body. It is anti-life. It is a poison. There is no formulation of Mercury that is not poisonous to life. Even in tiny amounts, it is unsafe, and it tends to accumulate in the body with repeated exposure. Some people are more vulnerable to poisons than others. Infants, the elderly and the sick.
The reason, I think, it is being used, is that the vaccines are made in raw eggs. When they make it, the eggs are alive, and then become sick -- they get the flu. Then the stuff is put into vials and they make a lot of it ahead of time. So it might be hard to keep it all refrigerated for a long enough time when you are making massive quantities of the stuff.
So you are getting stale, sickened, eggs, laced with poison and full of mostly dead viruses injected into you whenever you get a flu shot. Does anyone think this is always a good thing, for everyone?
I'm not squeemish. I just want to point out that people are making a lot of money off of this concoction. Originally the disease which was targeted was Polio. That was a terrible disease that was life threatening and caused life-long disability. The risk of the disease was way worse than the risks that might have happened from the injection. Now, however, this is turning out to be just the flu. It hasn't been more deadly than any other seasonal flu. To minimize your risk even more reliably, you can minimize your exposure to people with the flu, maintain your environment so as not to spread the flu (or other contagious diseases) and practice good hygiene.
Good hygiene is still the number one thing that Doctors are recommending. However, nobody has figured out a way to charge money for it. (My prediction is that somebody is working on doing that very thing.) | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 12:24:09 PM | Hi Ideoform-good to see you here :)
here is another link w/ citations-mostly to Canadian M.d.'s (Go Canada!-I couldn't resist ):
http:vran.org/in-the-news/swine-flu-vaccine-a-public-health-experiment/ | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 12:36:43 PM | Hi to you, too.
By the way, I'm not making any money off of this. :)
I hope that people are listening to lots of sources, and not just the ones who are profiting from our fears.
People who profit from war, are called war profiteers. People who profit from medical fears I am calling Fear Profiteers. They take a real-life concern, and magnify its potential problems, and play on our protective instincts for our children and families to sell us something we don't always need.
The discovery of how vaccination works was a Godsend to the last generation. But now this generation needs to learn more about how the immune system works, so we don't overdo the last generation's solutions and create new problems for the next generation. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 12:48:13 PM | I am NOT trying to promote the vaccine, but I find the opinion of Dr. Anders Bruun Laursen worth a read. He advises that AstaZenenca's MedImmune is the safest of all the SF Vax choices. Here's the link:
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14851 | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 12:51:27 PM |
I hope that people are listening to lots of sources, and not just the ones who are profiting from our fears.
Personally, I hope that people place greater weight on those who don't have an axe to grind and actually know a thing or two about disease...organizations like CDC, the PHAC and the WHO.
And speaking of PHAC, here's an interesting link:
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/alert-alerte/h1n1/vacc/myth-mythe-eng.php
"Vaccines are among the safest tools of modern medicine. In Canada, serious side effects from the flu vaccine occur very rarely – about one for every million shots distributed. The vast majority of side effects from vaccines are minor and temporary, like a sore arm or mild fever. These are much less severe than influenza infection, and last for a much shorter time. No long-term effects have been associated with any vaccine currently in use."
Oh, and speaking of profiting from fears, ever notice the storefronts on all those "natural living" websites? I sure did. But they would never think to profit from fear, would they. Give all their profits to charity, etc. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 12:54:00 PM | From message #200:
"Although it IS made with egg whites....so one of our residences cannot take the shot because of an allergic reaction."
I think that if it were to be studied, we would find that a certain amount of egg allergies are caused by early childhood vaccinations with egg whites in them. It stands to reason that anything injected into the bloodstream will tend to cause an immune reaction unless it is carefully planned NOT to (this is why we have blood-typing and donor matching.) Repeated injections of egg whites will tend to cause an allergic reaction.
Immune reaction = part of an allergic reaction. When it happens over time, anything that repeatedly irritates a human tissue is going to increase the likelyhood of that tissue becoming allergic to it.
Immune reaction = part of an allergic reaction = part of the cause of auto-immunity. Auto-immunity is when the immune system becomes "dysregulated." Disregulation is another term for confused. The immune system then can't tell what is the invader and what is part of the human body that is its host. The body then attacks itself whenever it is aroused. We are over-arousing our immune systems multiple times to our peril. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 1:05:33 PM |
"I hope that people place greater weight on those who don't have an axe to grind and actually know a thing or two about disease.."
I don't know how you define having an axe to grind. But I guess I should state here that I do have personal experience with disease. I also have had personal experience with serious disease caused by immunizations. And also, I don't sell wellness products, and I don't know personally anyone who does, unless you count the clerk at the grocery store I go to.
I think that people who are selling wellness products are profiting from people who want to be healthy. This is a different focus than profiting on fear. I know it may sound the same to you.
But I think that there is a tendency for people to look for a quick fix. They don't want to have to change their lifestyles to live healthier, and keep their immune systems functioning optimally, and so they go for a pill or a shot because it is more convenient, hoping that the side-effects are as rare as the CDC says they are.
Unfortunately, the CDC wants everyone possible who is in their targeted groups to get the shot, and so they might be minimizing the true risks. And if they are, how would anyone know? | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 1:21:21 PM |
""Vaccines are among the safest tools of modern medicine. "
And so is Aspirin. But you can't give Aspirin reliably safely to anyone under age 19 when they have flu-like symptoms because it can cause a very serious, mostly fatal reaction called Reyes Syndrome.
You can't take blanket statements like that and make it seem like there are never any problems with vaccines. There are some problems. You can get seizures from vaccines. You can get auto-immune disorders from vaccines. Each person needs to be informed of this, before getting the vaccine. Then you know. What I object to is people not being adequately informed, which is why I am on this thread.
I also would like to prevent what happened to me and my family from happening to other families. That is my biggest motivation. Because there is very little that can be done for my family, and so I think prevention is the key.
I think that there are diseases where vaccinations are the appropriate response. I think that there are safer ways to administer vaccines. I think that there are people that can't safely get certain vaccines (or any.) I think that we need to have more research on how to deal with some diseases without vaccines.
If we only use vaccination to deal with diseases, we might loose the ability to deal with disease in other ways safely. We need the flexibility as a society to have a variety of ways of dealing with contagious disease besides vaccines. I think there will come a day when vaccination will not be an option. But these are my opinions. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 1:39:34 PM | Rockondon..
ep..Somehow, I still find it difficult to understand how humans as a species, cannot survive without man-made chemical inputs for things like flu viruses.
Rockondon..You're right...medicines don't really help anyone.
The smallpox vaccine likely prevented somewhere around a billion deaths last century - should we complain about that vaccine too?
I did say there were successes in some vaccinations and medicine..thus far. But as you noted MRSA is making H1N1 look like a joke. The MRSA is part of the end of the anti-biotic experiment in our very short hundred year experiment of human history. The excessive use of anti-biotics in our current factory farming methods are also a causal factor in our declining benefits of the anti-biotic experiment. Currently medical errors, hospital induced infections and medications are the 3rd leading cause of death in the US behind cancer and heart attacks. My father passed from an anti-biotic resistant infection that he obtained while in the Mayo Clinic. He also did that 1976 flu vaccine that nearly killed him and developed Parkinson's Disease with no family history of such prior. That is one cause of my skepticism about the "assurances" from industry and their medical profession pawns.
EP..Or, the only way we can have food is because it's not suffering from a pesticide deficiency.
Rockondon..And having food to eat doesn't help either it seems.
Another scientific discovery you can complain about is the Haber-process. Just think, one guy's discovery now feeds 1/3 of the entire planet. That's gotta be worth an earthpuppyish comment such as "and the only way we can have food is because of fertilizer" don'tcha think?
The fertilizer experiment is coming to a close as well. Without fossil fuels, the current chemically intensive farming method could not exist. The Haber process did make possible the production of nitrogen fertilizers, mostly now in the form of anhydrous ammonia, toxic to people and the soil, as well as our waters and fisheries. Haber's process also enabled Germany to go to war and sustain their war far long they they could have without it. The current chemical food production system is as well, doomed to failure from impending Phosphorus shortages, peak oil, and geopolitical factors.
http://tinyurl.com/yfh7y38
The food produced from this system is less diverse, less nutritious, and in no way can be sustained for more than a few decades if that. The less healthy our food production is, the less healthy our herd becomes, and the more medicines are needed...a negative feedback loop.
Ep..Tamaflu resistance grew from 12% last year to 100% with this year's H1N1 virus.
Rockondon..As of October 2009, only 39 out of over 10,000 samples of 2009 pandemic H1N1 flu tested worldwide have shown resistance to Tamiflu. 39/10000 does not equal 100%. Its closer to 0.4%
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=98159
"Almost 100% of the influenza A (H1N1) strain is now resistant to the drug, up from 12% during last year's flu season, said report author Dr. Alicia Fry, a medical epidemiologist with the influenza division at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."
Whatever the numbers one chooses to believe, there is still the very real probability that the flu vaccine experiment will fail within a generation and nothing will work on our malnourished, depressed immune systems.
EP..The 1976 vaccine debacle and GWS ...
Rockondon..This attempt to discredit vaccines because of the supposed connection between squalene and Gulf War Syndrome is...well...entertaining I suppose. Here's a summary of how this silly idea came about...
Again, we can pick and choose our sources of information on the squalene contribution to GWS. I see these GWS victims every time I visit VA facilities. I also see AO victims and DU victims. In every case, it is in the government and industries' interests to do inadequate studies, remove studies, and continue to deny the squalene adjuvant link to GWS. Injecting squalene is far different than naturally occuring squalene in how the body's immune system reacts.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10640454
http://euro-med.dk/?p=10340
http://www.mvrd.org/showpage.cfm?ID=69
Although the Dept. of Defense denied the presence of Squalene in the anthrax vaccine for many years, the FDA tested several lots for the presence of the adjuvant, and found it - in varying levels. Those lots are (ppb=parts per billion):
•AVA 020 - 11 ppb squalene
•AVA 030 - 10 ppb squalene
•AVA 038 - 27 ppb squalene
•AVA 043 - 40 ppb squalene
•AVA 047 - 83 ppb squalene
Squalene has also been found in the vaccine administered in Great Britain, although the Ministry also denied its presence. See MOD (Ministry of Defense - UK - ANTHRAX VACCINE CONTAINS SQUALENE)
Recent research by Pamela B. Asa, Russell B. Wilson, and Robert F. Garry links the anthrax vaccine to Gulf War Syndrome through the presence of squalene antibodies, as noted in the introduction to their report:
"Date: 2002-07-15 Received August 15, 2001, and in revised form October 26, 2001"
"We previously reported that antibodies to squalene, an experimental vaccine adjuvant, are present in persons with symptoms consistent with Gulf War Syndrome (GWS) (P. B. Asa et al., Exp. Mol. Pathol 68, 196-197, 2000). The United States Department of Defense initiated the Anthrax Vaccine Immunization Program (AVIP) in 1997 to immunize 2.4 million military personnel. Because adverse reactions in vaccinated personnel were similar to symptoms of GWS, we tested AVIP participants for anti-squalene antibodies (ASA). In a pilot study, 6 of 6 vaccine recipients with GWS-like symptoms were positive for ASA. In a larger blinded study, only 32% (8/25) of AVIP personnel compared to 15.7% (3/19) of controls were positive (P 0.05). Further analysis revealed that ASA were associated with specific lots of vaccine. The incidence of ASA in personnel in the blinded study receiving these lots was 47% (8/17) compared to an incidence of 0% (0/8; P 0.025) of the AVIP participants receiving other lots of vaccine. Analysis of additional personnel revealed that in all but one case (19/20; 95%), ASA were restricted to personnel immunized with lots of vaccine known to contain squalene. Except for one symptomatic individual, positive clinical findings in 17 ASA-negative personnel were restricted to 4 individuals receiving vaccine from lots containing squalene. ASA were not present prior to vaccination in pre-immunization sera available from 4 AVIP personnel. Three of these individuals became ASA positive after vaccination. These results suggest that the production of ASA in GWS patients is linked to the presence of squalene in certain lots of anthrax vaccine. 2002 Elsevier Science (USA)"
Rockondon.."Earthpuppy, I wish you luck on your campaign against humanity as well as continued success on remaining blissfully unaware of the monstrosity of your actions in spreading panic, fear, and lies about life-saving vaccines."
It's not a campaign against humanity. "Yer with us or against us" nonsense aside, I feel it is more important to discuss what is sustainable as a species and as just one species on the planet. In a world where a fifth of the world's known mammals, a third of its amphibians, more than a quarter of its reptiles and up to 70% of its plants are under threat of extinction primarily from human actions, they present the canaries in the coal mine for our own survival. People are not currently an endangered species, but we will be as our soils are depleted, our biological diversity decimated, our immune systems compromised, and our current industrial paradigm crashes around us. Yes, we have exponential growth in numbers, and our last hundred year experiments have contributed greatly to our unsustainable growth. If you wish to measure billions as a sign of success, we must also consider billions who do not share this "success". More than 2.6 billion people - over 40 per cent of the world's population - do not have basic sanitation, and more than one billion people still use unsafe sources of drinking water, according to WHO and UNICEF. One billion of us are chronically hungry. Whether the vaccine worshipers prevail and succumb to the cide effects, or the vaccine skeptics prevail and succumb to the current bug, it's highly conceivable that our numbers will be checked at some point by some stupid human trick that makes the current H1N1 panic a true joke. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 1:46:20 PM |
You can't take blanket statements like that and make it seem like there are never any problems with vaccines.
Did you not read the whole quote. It said reactions are very rare...about one in a million.
There are some problems. You can get seizures from vaccines. You can get auto-immune disorders from vaccines. Each person needs to be informed of this, before getting the vaccine. Then you know. What I object to is people not being adequately informed, which is why I am on this thread.
You can also get seizures and autoimmune disorders from infections. You can get them from normal contaminants in the environment. You can get them from genetic disorders. There are risk to everything. The information provided by Canada's public health agency says as much. There's no way to predict it. I don't know what happened to your family and you have my sympathies. Indeed, I might feel as you do. However, vaccination is still the best method for dealing with certain diseases.
I think that there are diseases where vaccinations are the appropriate response. I think that there are safer ways to administer vaccines. I think that there are people that can't safely get certain vaccines (or any.) I think that we need to have more research on how to deal with some diseases without vaccines.
And they are underway. However, it's important to point out...smallpox, polio, mumps, measles, rubella, scarlet fever, etc.,etc.,etc., all beaten by vaccines. Some of these diseases even more vicious than flu.
We need the flexibility as a society to have a variety of ways of dealing with contagious disease besides vaccines. I think there will come a day when vaccination will not be an option. But these are my opinions.
Clearly, we do otherwise we'd all be herded into camps and forcibly shot up (and let's not get into the "FEMA deathcamps b.s.). But we're not. We have a choice. Some have less of a choice by profession because they are "frontline" but they have a choice to quit and not risk anyone else's health.
But I think if you think there will ever be a day without vaccines, forget it. Not likely, as long as disease continues to march their evolutionary way onward. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 3:24:30 PM | Job listing for the army from their own website for an internment/ resettlement (IR) specialist-notice when you click on the links for more job opportunities, the words "civilian detainess":
www.goarmy.com/JobDetail.do?id=292 | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 3:37:54 PM | Paul K ironically wrote..^^^^^^^
Proof positive that a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Agreed. What is so threatening to the status quo to ask of knowledge that knowledge itself is so threatening to vaccine worshipers? Just curious. Coming from the party of skepticism about all things liberal and conspiracies abounding, one would think that demanding proof of safety would be a good thing? Why does the burden of proof always have to be on the consumers, weeks, months and years after the fact.
Todays' exposures on Bisphenal A and e-coli underline the ongoing deceptions, coverups and inability to cross the lines between science and truth.
http://www.cdc.gov/ecoli/2009/1102.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-starkman/tests-find-wide-range-of_b_342967.html
Beef..it's what's for supper..and BS. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 3:53:42 PM | Todays' exposures on Bisphenal A and e-coli underline the ongoing deceptions, coverups and inability to cross the lines between science and truth.
http://www.cdc.gov/ecoli/2009/1102.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-starkman/tests-find-wide-range-of_b_342967.html
Hunh? Where did this little random ouput of nonsense come from and what, if any, relationship does it have to the OP? But hey, you want to talk about e-coli exposure, look up the Walkerton tragedy. That wasn't about anything but incompetence laid out in a judicial inquiry that even put then Ontario premier Mike Harris on the hotseat (and arguably led to the downfall of his government, but regardless...).
Yes Wiyan, "they" are coming to get us. *yawn* Conspiracy is fun, dontcha think?
Edit: by the way, in the last election, I voted Green. That's just to cut off any "Right wing idealogue" or "co-conspirator" nonsense at the knees. Please resume our regular programming, already in progress. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 4:12:33 PM | "Todays' exposures on Bisphenal A and e-coli underline the ongoing deceptions, coverups and inability to cross the lines between science and truth." Ep..
http://www.cdc.gov/ecoli/2009/1102.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-starkman/tests-find-wide-range-of_b_342967.html
"Hunh? Where did this little random ouput of nonsense come from and what, if any, relationship does it have to the OP? But hey, you want to talk about e-coli exposure, look up the Walkerton tragedy. That wasn't about anything but incompetence laid out in a judicial inquiry that even put then Ontario premier Mike Harris on the hotseat (and arguably led to the downfall of his government, but regardless...)."
The OP had to do with the "safety" of vaccines. The Bisphenol A has to do with the previous "safety" of plastic containers now coming to light as cancerous. The most recent e-coli outbreak and recall has to do with the previously deemed "safe" food production model. Today also, there was an article about anti-biotics in pregnant women as a causal factor in birth defects. Every day there is new information, based on past assurances, that the Government is here to protect us, that industries would never lie, and that we are the test subjects, that bear the burden of proof with our disease and dying to prove them otherwise. Many of these "new" diseases and trends occur weeks, months and years after the statute of limitations for liability. Talk about nonsense...Why are corporations and their sponsors in legislatures protected by liability legislation, years after citizens are totally screwed. Look up Libby, Montana for a future glimpse of today. Tis truly odd, that so many who hate big govment in so many other forums are the biggest supporters of vaccinations. Very curious. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 5:02:52 PM | | Stargazer: On what grounds are you accusing a US military website's job posting as being ' a conspiracy?" I realize that is an oft used word in your vocab, but, if you make a claim, you need to substantiate yourself. I am sure the military would appreciate such veracity as much as the rest of us. | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 11/3/2009 5:15:37 PM | | thanks for the post on bisphenol-a. For those of us who value our health and want to live a life as free as possible from toxins as part of our strategy of staying healthy, it is quite important information. Yeah Earth Puppy, the world is no longer flat-ha! | |
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