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Posted: 11/3/2009 5:36:41 PM | On what grounds are you accusing a US military website's job posting as being ' a conspiracy?" I realize that is an oft used word in your vocab, but, if you make a claim, you need to substantiate yourself. I am sure the military would appreciate such veracity as much as the rest of us.
And, on what grounds do you bring up this?
Job listing for the army from their own website for an internment/ resettlement (IR) specialist-notice when you click on the links for more job opportunities, the words "civilian detainess":
After I quipped this.
Yes Wiyan, "they" are coming to get us. *yawn* Conspiracy is fun, dontcha think?
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Posted: 11/3/2009 8:00:39 PM |
Job listing for the army from their own website for an internment/ resettlement (IR) specialist-notice when you click on the links for more job opportunities, the words "civilian detainess":
www.goarmy.com/JobDetail.do?id=292
Makes me think of that phrase
"off site , alternate care facilities "
yup...still sounds like a spa to me...
altho..they dont need guards at spas do they ?
guards for what ?.
to stop people from rushing into the spa for free treatments ?
or to stop gramma and the kids from leaving ?.
Oct 25/09
The new declaration clears the way for waivers of federal requirements that, for example, could prevent hospitals from establishing off-site, alternate care facilities that could help them deal with emergency department demands, the White House said | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 8:23:02 PM | Those with conspiratorial minds seem to be able to only go in one direction. Is it possible that what is meant by the new declaration is to allow standards to be loosened a little in order to be able to put emergency care facilities on line quickly.......... ??
Possible?
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Posted: 11/3/2009 8:31:19 PM |
"... it's important to point out...smallpox, polio, mumps, measles, rubella, scarlet fever, etc.,etc.,etc., all beaten by vaccines. Some of these diseases even more vicious than flu."
These diseases still exist. I would expect that most governments are keeping some of each, just in case...they might be "needed" again.
These diseases are more vicious than the flu. But why do we need to take risks with our health to avoid the flu? There are hundreds of deadly diseases we could be vaccinating against. At what point are we going to have an upper limit? 50 vaccinations? 100? When will we reach the time when the human body can't take any more vaccinations? And at what point will it be considered safe to stop vaccinating for smallpox, polio, mumps, measles, rubella, scarlet fever, etc., etc.? Because they are always going to be somewhere.
"It said reactions are very rare...about one in a million."
I don't think these numbers are accurate. In my personal experience we have more vaccine-related injuries than that number would lead us to believe. I think that the reason is that they are only counting immediate reactions, which happen in the next few hours or days. Reactions that happen after a week or two, the long term effects, are being under-reported. For one thing, reactions that patients do report to their Doctors are minimized by Doctors because they don't want to risk liability. And this has happened to me and to people I know.
And furthermore, it is very difficult to prove a direct causal relationship unless you do a study specifically designed for that. But that kind of study would be unethical in humans. Any kind of correlation would have to be after-the-fact, using statistics, and that kind of study is easy to cast doubt on. So all of the people who have had long-term, chronic, but not lethal reactions are never going to be included in any counting of facts by these groups. The only people who are counting them are the groups dealing with those diseases themselves.
"There are risk to everything. .. There's no way to predict it."
There are ways to predict it.
But there will never be enough research about this if it is continually presented to the public as a miniscule risk.
You can't deal very well with a problem that you don't admit to having. You only become adapted to the problem. The solutions will not be found in the sand where we are hiding our heads. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 8:37:31 PM | Well, if the Canadian example for how to run a pandemic program is any example, those who think a more "nefarious" program is likely don't realize the hazards of putting politicians in charge, only to turn things into a major balls-up!
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/auditorgeneral/article/720482--ottawa-ill-prepared-for-emergencies-auditor-general?bn=1
"Death camp? Who's riding we going to put it in?"
I don't doubt, given that politics is a universal constant, the same could occur south of the border.
Edit: Another one!
http://www.healthzone.ca/health/newsfeatures/swineflu/article/720188--ottawa-rethinks-plan-for-flu-shot-suppliers | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 9:55:34 PM | I think that this pandemic problem started when we all began to think about emergency preparedness after things like 9/11, and Katrina, and remember the issue of the year 2000?
So we all pressured our governments to have a plan, to be more prepared for all sorts of contingencies. But the plans and worries themselves have a contingency. All this planning has its own consequence. We have decided that in emergencies, we will "plan" to be able to be flexible, and to allow the loosening of some of our restrictions on various things. And some people have taken advantage of this as if it is a loophole in our laws and regulations.
When people became more prepared, they also can lean toward making everything a special situation, and it opens up the further possibility of paranoia.
And so, we now have ideas about how to deal with serious contagions, and research has been done, and Tamiflu and Cipro are being hoarded by some people out of their fears of being infected by Anthrax or some other threat.
I know a nurse who was forced to take the extremely strong antibiotic recommended for the early signs of the flu. But she didn't have the flu, or the symptoms of the flu (you see, you have to take the medication within a day or so of exposure, so her boss didn't want her to wait) and she was forced to take it just because a patient had come in to the clinic with some symptoms. It turned out that neither she nor the patient had the flu. And she got some serious side effects from the antibiotic, all unnecessarily.
I think that sometimes when you have a hammer, you start to see everything as a nail. So we have all this preparedness, and we are starting to look for ways to use it...because we felt so helpless in the past when some really bad things happened and we couldn't control it, predict it, or deal with it effectively.
It feels like we are carrying these big heavy guns around, and it would be so easy to pull one out and shoot whenever we are startled by something. I think we are getting to that point...
I am all for preparedness. In fact, I like to plan ahead for emergencies, by learning how to deal with them, by taking all the precautions I can take, and by learning to live independently as much as possible. I think that practising prevention is the best medicine of all. But I have lost the perspective of vaccinations as the best prevention for all contagions.
I did get the seasonal flu shot, twice. I got sick both times. My Grandmother told me not to get it, because she had a bad reaction to the flu shot the year before, but I dismissed her concerns and got it anyway, thinking it wouldn't happen to me because I was younger, only to end up getting sick myself. Even so, I got my son the flu shot two years ago and he ended up in the hospital from it. And another family member has a serious disability from a severe reaction to a childhood vaccination.
As for the statistics of what can happen as a side effect of being vaccinated, when it happens to your own child, all the statistics go out the window. You live with the reality of it every day. So the statistic is then, to you, 100%. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 11:15:50 PM | | yes Ideoform, and unfortunetely, we can add to the list: 6 year ols Nikita Torres-Pierre who was vaccinated recently in Brookyln WITHOUT her mom's consent. Her mom knew better as she has a seizure disorder. Nikita was rushed to the Brookyln hospital a few days ago with severe stomach pains and other symptoms. Soldiers sign up for all kinds of risks, like being killed in battle and whether they know it or not, having medical experiments done on them, and they have no recourse. Parents, on the other hand do NOT sign up to have their children become collateral damage in a war they never signed up for-Big difference in consent. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 1:31:41 AM | Ideoform wrote."As for the statistics of what can happen as a side effect of being vaccinated, when it happens to your own child, all the statistics go out the window. You live with the reality of it every day. So the statistic is then, to you, 100%."
I have many friends who are in the teaching profession, dealing daily with the side effects of mandatory vaccinations. It appears that increasingly children these days are suffering from a Ritalin deficiency as well. ADD and ADHD are becoming epidemic. The number of required childhood vaccinations has skyrocketed along with the incidence of these disorders, Autism Aspergers, and other neurological disorders. We really have no clue about what we are doing to our species as we panic about every new mutation of bugs that have been around since time began. I have a step-sister with Autism and her life did not turn out very well. And I agree, that those of us with a family history of bad reactions to vaccines, should be allowed to be wary and opt out. The precautionary principle is rarely followed as we take precautions against perceived threats.
The following is a brief history of the association between autism, ADHD and vaccines:
•1940s and 50s - Autism was primarily diagnosed in upper and upper-middle class families, those who could afford vaccinations.
•1970s and 80s - The U.S. government set vaccination goal rates, targeting approximately 97% of the population vaccinated. Federal grants and strict enforcement guidelines were implemented
•Before the 1980s, only eight vaccines were mandated.
•Early 1990s -Autism rates are listed as 1 in 10,000
•By 2000, the number of required vaccines increased to 22
•Early 2000, 1 in 150 children diagnosed with autism
•Since 1997, according to the CDC (Center for Disease Control) diagnosed ADHD increased at a rate of three percent per year. By 2006, the number of children aged 5-17 with ADHD was more than 4.5 million in the U.S.
•By 2009, the number of mandated vaccines has risen to 30, most of which are given in the first 18 months of a child's life.
•One in 91 children diagnosed with autism in 2009
Read more: http://addadhd.suite101.com/article.cfm/vaccine_safety_and_add_adhd_and_autism#ixzz0VsbijXJP | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 6:47:31 AM | Oh earthpuppy...I did read it. Then I followed the citation to KNOW Vaccines. And guess what. It's an anti vaccine organization. Can we say agenda? They even have the "for the children" line. Love emotional blackmail...it's such an effective tool. Could it be more cynical?
Okay, so basically the anti-vaccine movement is offering what for alternatives? As far as I can tell, the best alternative they can come up with is eat more veggies and take this mineral supplement for $19.95 per 3 oz vial.
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Posted: 11/4/2009 7:40:19 AM | Those with conspiratorial minds seem to be able to only go in one direction. Is it possible that what is meant by the new declaration is to allow standards to be loosened a little in order to be able to put emergency care facilities on line quickly.......... ??
Possible?
Hi Paul
I see there are people on this thread with knowledge of the health issues regarding this flu and the vaccine , pros and cons .
I on the other hand dont know squat about all these medical issues , so I leave that to those who seem to have a grasp on that.
However I have been called one of them "Conspiracy" guys ..
so I play that roll on here for aguement sake....I trust no one ...esp the gubermint.
you ask if its possible that this declaration is for the benifit of people....
Yes...its possible.
Its also possible that this is all a smoke screen
for something else coming down the pike as well.
Its easier to control the masses when you have the country in" lock-down mode".
Many of those CT sites nailed this on the head many months ago .
Alot of that stuff on there is BS..thats no surprise to anyone.
However that dont take away from the fact that this was all talked
about almost a year ago, as to what would happen when this" flu "started to spread.
I tried starting posts about Internment camps on here months ago...3 times total.
3 times the thread got deleted and I got ridiculed as being a fear monger
for even talking about such things.
One of the threads even had about 30 responces, when the mods decieded to remove it.
I didnt understand why then...and I still dont...
but power in some people hands is a dangerous thing ...thank god they are only mods
and not running a country or in politics....
next week they will be working the sporting good section in canadian tire..
momma should be so proud..!
yes , yes...I know....its a private site..blah...blah...blah.
The goverments care about one thing...the goverment
they have proven time and time again to be liars and manipulaturs
and we are put our trust into them now ?
"shortage of vacinnes" ...
I dont buy that one either !
just another way to create more panic as I see it.
all part of the chess game.... and they know exactly what they are doing.
Thanks to all of those that have put the time into researching this virus and vacinne
I think I am going to just taking my chances with the flu and 'passing on the vacinne'
I have had the flu in the past and altho it was a nasty experience...I survived
something tells me I will survive this time as well...as will most
so why are they doing all this "planning"
for something that is playing out as just a regular flu for many.
Possible its for the "good "..yes
possible its to lock the country down..yes
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Posted: 11/4/2009 8:07:51 AM |
so why are they doing all this "planning"
for something that is playing out as just a regular flu for many.
Because they've read history. Do you know what happened with the pandemic of 1918?
The "planning" you are referring to is in how to respond to the challenges brought on by a pandemic of flu. Carrying on public services, business continuity when 40% or more of your staff is out or down with the flu, what to do if it gets particularly virulent, etc.
Oh, FYI...3 more people in B.C. died from the flu today. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 8:53:53 AM | Ah .. government planning ...
I just heard it was the Liberals under that street fighter guy that gave the contract for the whole supply of Canadian Vaccine to one Quebec company ...
over 300 million dollars just to prepare ... then they get more money now that they actually have to produce and supply the Vaccine.
sweet deal that was.
Now the Liberals are trying to blame the Conservative Government that is in power now for having only one supplier that can't keep up ...
Just makes me think ... lying Liberals ... strike again.
by the time they have enough shots available we will all have been sick and developed our own anitbodies. ... bit of a joke really.
so much for actually being able to be prepared for a quick outbreak of an unexpected virus strain. 
as for vaccinations in general being unsafe and bad for us ...
I think you people must be morons for not understanding how we stopped Polio and Smallpox and Cholorea .... yea!... now there is a vaccination you know you got ... Cholorea ... two shots and each time your arm doesn't work for 2 days after [it was like being hit with a baseball bat] ... but its still way better than getting the disease.
I don't understand us not using the method that was used when cholorea was notice in Spain when I was there... they used a gun of sorts and one doctor and one nurse vaccinated about one person every 3 or 4 seconds.
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Posted: 11/4/2009 10:09:39 AM |
I just heard it was the Liberals under that street fighter guy that gave the contract for the whole supply of Canadian Vaccine to one Quebec company ...
over 300 million dollars just to prepare ... then they get more money now that they actually have to produce and supply the Vaccine.
sweet deal that was.
Sweet indeed, add on to the fact that the company then gave the Liberals a $56,000 donation...
I'm SO voting Green next time around! Either that or writing on my ballot "None of the Above." The only wasted ballot is an unused ballot. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 11:22:48 AM |
Oh, FYI...3 more people in B.C. died from the flu today
I dont mean to down play the deaths that happen..each one affects so many people .
but people die each year from the regular flu as well .
I just dont trust the **stards...period
'we the people' .. only count at election time it seems
the rest of the time we are nothing more then sheeple to them.
Watching them prepare to heard us and vacinnate us like sheep
makes me want to keep my mind open on what perhaps their true motive is.
All this , for a flu they knew about a year ago...really ?
they never done it before in any of 'OUR' lifetimes...why now ?
could there be another motive ?
Possible...and untill that possibility is gone
I am not taking my eyes of any of these idiots and the mess they are making .
and I most certainly wont be taking everything "they" say as gospel .
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Posted: 11/4/2009 11:29:33 AM | Post # 360:
"...a brief history of the association between autism, ADHD and vaccines:
•1940s and 50s - Autism was primarily diagnosed in upper and upper-middle class families, those who could afford vaccinations.
•1970s and 80s - The U.S. government set vaccination goal rates, targeting approximately 97% of the population vaccinated. Federal grants and strict enforcement guidelines were implemented
•Before the 1980s, only eight vaccines were mandated.
•Early 1990s -Autism rates are listed as 1 in 10,000
•By 2000, the number of required vaccines increased to 22
•Early 2000, 1 in 150 children diagnosed with autism
•Since 1997, according to the CDC (Center for Disease Control) diagnosed ADHD increased at a rate of three percent per year. By 2006, the number of children aged 5-17 with ADHD was more than 4.5 million in the U.S.
•By 2009, the number of mandated vaccines has risen to 30, most of which are given in the first 18 months of a child's life.
•One in 91 children diagnosed with autism in 2009"
Post #361:
"... I followed the citation to KNOW Vaccines. And guess what. It's an anti vaccine organization. Can we say agenda?"
A website having an agenda doesn't prove that the information provided has been falsified. I think that before dismissing the statistics about Autism because they appear in an anti-vaccination website, you can research about the incidence of Autism separately, and then separately compare it to the timing of the introduction of vaccines.
I am not anti-vaccine. One of my son's is completely vaccinated because he has a disability that caused him to need a shunt in his head, which can allow any disease to cross into his brain. The other child got all his vaccinations until the MMR sent him into a tailspin and he lost all ability to communicate (even with sign language.) Even so, he has gotten a tetnus shot, and a hepatitis vaccination, but many years later. So I am not anti-vaccine.
I am not anti-medical establishment, either. I was raised on money my father earned from being a Doctor. I owe my nice education and cushy upbringing to his work. I was going to be a Doctor myself until he got sick. He himself didn't "believe in" Autism, when he learned we were thinking of getting him diagnosed (but we weren't sure we wanted to "label" him) so he flew us to Florida and spent the day with my son by himself. Later on, he told me he was sure my son had Autism, something so rare at the time that he had only heard about it.
All I know for sure is my personal experience with vaccinations and with Autism. I have had a 100% statistic in that every one I know seems to have had a reaction from them or has a serious problem with them. Vaccinations are not as safe as they are promoted as being. The manufacturers have a lot at stake in this, because they would be out of business if they had the liability of everyone they have vaccinated to deal with.
Perhaps the manufacturers think that if they make sure that everyone gets vaccinated, then they could blame all of the side-effects on other coincidental things, because there would be no one else who hasn't been vaccinated to compare them with.
Perhaps the preparedness people want everyone to be vaccinated so they don't have to do anything more complicated to prevent disease, like providing Public Health Nurses, or teaching better hygienic practices.
Perhaps the government let a flu strain they were studying secretly as a biological weapon get loose in the public and they don't want to be held accountable for it, and they also don't want to reveal what they were doing, because the law says they don't have to be transparent about anything they are doing.
Now those would also be agendas, but the agendas of different groups. What is so unusual in having an agenda by private citizens who have been hurt by something the government has done? The main problem is that the government and the manufacturers have way more power and money than the injured citizens do. And so they are the only ones who can finance and conduct "studies" and research on these illnesses.
So the agenda that wins is the agenda that has the most power and money to lobby and work the media?
I understand that the government can do some great things for the people they govern. But we are the government. They are us. We can change this. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 11:53:19 AM | Post #361:
"Okay, so basically the anti-vaccine movement is offering what for alternatives? As far as I can tell, the best alternative they can come up with is eat more veggies and take this mineral supplement for $19.95 per 3 oz vial.
Talk about profiting from fear."
There are better, safer ways to vaccinate. I posted this on another thread about vaccines. I am re-posting it here, since you asked.
From: vaccines=autism?????
Post # 240:
"There are safer ways to vaccinate than we are currently doing. This is a fact.
We have been lax about thinking ahead. The original vaccines were created because there was a deadly disease that was absolutely horrible, and this method worked. But at a small cost of a few people. We were highly motivated to find ANY way to deal with polio, for instance.
Now we have twenty more vaccinations we give to very tiny babies...and nobody has really thought much about how many we can actually give to an infant without changing the infant's immune system in a negative way. What is the upper limit? 50? 100? Are we actually going to consider putting a copy or an original of every deadly disease known to man into every infant before they reach the age of two? Does anyone know how this will ultimately affect our children? The answer is NO.
We were lax about thinking about the effect of adding more vaccines, because the original mercury preservative was meant for one dose only. Twenty times that amount is way more toxic. Although there is really no "safe" level of mercury for a person.
It is a toxin, and the best amount of mercury in a baby is zero. That is also a fact.
We were lax in thinking about the effect it might have on a baby of reving up their immune system towards more than one deadly disease at a time. Did we study infants to see if their immune systems were developed enough to handle more than one vaccine at a time consistently? No.
Did we study what to do if we reved up an infant's immune system and it stayed constantly reved up? Do we know how to calm it down so the infant doesn't develop chronic immune regulation problems down the line? No.
Did we study other ways to deliver a vaccine besides injecting it? Yes. And the reason is that some of our immune system was designed to function at the nose and mouth, where the mucous membranes function to deal with invaders. Most diseases do not enter the human body directly into the bloodstream. They enter through the nose, eyes, mouth, genitals. The bodies' natural defense mechanisms were designed to face the first assault at these points, not directly in the bloodstream.
Yet, we still use injections for most immunizations.
Many diseases we are trying to eradicate are not as serious as the first ones we developed vaccinations for. This means we are not looking anymore for safer ways to deal with them. Vaccinations were never designed to handle every type of human disease. It probably isn't the best way to do this kind of health care.
If a disease isn't deadly, and we aren't at a huge risk of being exposed to it, then we need to balance the risks to many of our children of getting vaccinated for everything against the benefits of eradicating a disease with a vaccination alone.
Every vaccination needs a preservative, for one thing. Unless you can somehow get a "fresh" vaccination, every baby will be getting an injection of a preservative at the same time as they are getting the deadly disease pushed into their bloodstream. This preservative dose accumulates, and infants livers are not fully developed until age 3, and so might not be able to eliminate the toxic preservative.
We never planned to look into the genetic differences of various children and how that affects their reactions to vaccines. Some of these reactions are deadly. And so each time a parent brings a child to be vaccinated, they are taking the chance that their child's genetic makeup is the kind that will make the vaccination deadly to him. And so the vaccination is now itself a deadly disease. Only we have control over this one.
Let's take the control we do have and work to make vaccinations safer and more effective, and not to use the shotgun approach and vaccinate everyone in exactly the same way--we know for a fact that some people cannot get vaccinations without becoming seriously ill or dying. These children and adults should be allowed to live. They have a right to live.
There are other health care practices that could keep us safe from the risk of having a small part of our population un-vaccinated. Already we currently live in a society where not everyone gets vaccinated for many reasons. So we should not let the idea of vaccination make us lax about taking regular precautions to avoid illness. We can find better methods of public hygiene, and other types of medications and lifestyle practices that don't rely so heavily on trying only to "eradicate" the disease.
Although complete eradication is an admirable goal, and one worth pursuing, there will always be genetic mutations of viruses and bacteria that will cause us to continue to have to deal with public health concerns in the future. At what point will vaccination itself become unviable? At that point we will seriously be in trouble if we have no other resources to rely on.
A safer way might be to vaccinate only:
with thimerisol-free vaccines
with a minimum amount of total preservative (shake the bottle, etc.)
only one disease at a time
space them out long enough for the infant's body to get rid of the preservative before doing the next
space them out long enough for the infant's immune response to go back to normal before initiating the next immune challenge
never, ever vaccinate a sick child, wait until the illness is over
don't give Tylenol before vaccination, since this can affect the natural immune response
* Research needs to continue to find safer ways of preserving vaccinations. (Refrigeration-only comes to mind.)
* Research needs to continue to discover for which genetic types of humans vaccinations are fatal, or will cause serious chronic immune disruption, so that parents can make an informed choice about EACH vaccine.
* Research needs to continue to discover and educate the population about other public health practices that can protect our health so that we have several lines of defense against deadly diseases besides relying on vaccinations, in the event we "discover" there IS an upper limit to how often we can vaccinate an individual in their lifetime or at least in early childhood.
* Research needs to continue to discover ways to calm the immune system of a child or adult if/when a vaccination causes a reaction that does not stop on its own, or that continues toward an unhealthy process leading to chronic disease, like aut0-immune disorders, and severe allergies.
* Research needs to continue to find the best timing for a vaccination. There is probably an optimal time to vaccinate. For instance, many vaccinations require multiple doses because the immune system changes over time. Some of this is due to the child's development. There is also probably a "sub-optimal" time to vaccinate. In other words, there might be times in a child's development when it is the worst time to vaccinate.
* Research needs to continue to find ways to create vaccines that don't rely on animal proteins being injected into human bodies. This is one of the reasons many people are allergic to eggs. Many vaccines are created by injecting the diseases into live eggs.
* Research needs to continue to find a way to decide which deadly diseases are going to be best dealt with by a vaccination, and which we will deal with another way. Because there are too many diseases to vaccinate against all of them, since there are always going to be new ones appearing. There needs to be a process of thinking about what factors/elements are most important.
* We need to study if there is a better way to vaccinate, like vaccinating regions instead of everybody. Perhaps it isn't necessary to get vaccinated for certain diseases in every area at all times. For instance, when are we going to ever stop vaccinating for a particular disease?
Polio, for instance, is not a common disease anymore. Unfortunately, it was never completely removed from the planet. Governments all store deadly diseases for future use as a biological weapon or as a biological museum of DNA. We will never get rid of any deadly disease totally because of this possiblity. And because we can never prove completely to everyone's satisfaction that a disease is completly "gone," then no disease can ever be eliminated from the list of vaccinations, under our current vaccination policy.
My child had a bad reaction to a vaccine. I had a right to know that this was going to be a possiblity. Unfortunately, my Doctor didn't have access to the information I needed to make an informed decision about my son's vaccination. I want that information available for the next generation of parents so they won't have to go through what I went through. And if they do, it will be part of a much better informed choice than the one I was given and have to live with.
Everyone lives with the problem of the children who have been hurt by vaccinations. It affects the entire family, and the community. They require special education, special medical care, and often housing and supervision for the rest of their lives. I would like this "deadly" disease treated with the same care and concern about its "prevalence" as the ones that the vaccinations that caused it are trying to eradicate."
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There might be more to learn about how to prevent the deadly diseases we vaccinate against, but there will never be the motivation for discovering it as long as we continue to think that vaccination is the only practical way to deal with them. Until Autism, the serious auto-immune disorders that vaccinations can cause were very rare. Autism is very similar to a neurological auto-immune disorder. And Autism is so prevalent now that it is getting hard to ignore this type of vaccination side-effect. Do we have to wait until a whole generation is dealing with various long-term chronic illnesses due to dysregulated immune systems before we decide to start looking for other ways to prevent diseases as realistic options? | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 12:44:58 PM | Summary of the argument from the anti-H1n1-vaccine crowd:
Although this vaccine will surely save hundreds or thousands of lives, we should not save these lives...because I have this friend who got a side-effect from it once. Now lets get out there and spread panic and doubt because having a sore arm or whatever is way worse than numerous needless deaths. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 7:34:12 PM |
A website having an agenda doesn't prove that the information provided has been falsified. I think that before dismissing the statistics about Autism because they appear in an anti-vaccination website, you can research about the incidence of Autism separately, and then separately compare it to the timing of the introduction of vaccines.
Very true Ideoform- but the information in the websites presented previously in this thread have show a lot of falsehoods and came from dubious sources- not just about Autism but many issues. One truth in a bunch of falsehoods do not make them all true.
Here is a source of information from John Hopkins . Feel free to review.
http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/cc-thim.htm
I have had a 100% statistic in that every one I know seems to have had a reaction from them or has a serious problem with them.
Wow- my own personal experience is much different. I don't know anybody personally that had a severe reaction to a vaccine. To each our own I guess. | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 11/4/2009 7:41:52 PM | I just wanna say to Truetemp that though you may not agree with others opinion's in this thread you state your positions respectfully without namecalling or badgering-That's quite nice and refreshing too Clearly there are people with strong opines on both sides of this fence, both motivated by health and desiring no harm | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 9:08:00 PM | "Wow- my own personal experience is much different. I don't know anybody personally that had a severe reaction to a vaccine. To each our own I guess."
I think there is a genetic component where, in my family, there is a susceptibility to having problems with vaccinations. I think that in the future, we should have a method of screening people to find out which ones will benefit from vaccinations, and which could be hurt by them.
I also have had way more vaccinations than most people. When we went to Nicaragua to be medical missionaries when I was eleven, I was given about a dozen extra vaccinations against all kinds of things they don't vaccinate for here normally -- for common tropical diseases.
The phrase you use, "To each our own," implies that I chose this. I think you are very lucky not to have had problems. Did you choose to be lucky?
My own experience is the only thing I can be truly certain of. If I could trade your personal experience for my own, I would, but that would not be very nice for you, then. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 9:16:20 PM | "Now lets get out there and spread panic and doubt because having a sore arm or whatever is way worse than numerous needless deaths."
I think you are the one panicking. This pandemic is a panic. Everybody is standing in long lines in the rain for a vaccine that hasn't had the time to be properly tested. You are experimenting on yourselves. That is all fear.
I am the one spreading doubt about the fear. | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 11/4/2009 11:11:12 PM | | it makes no sense to me how the vaccine injured are constantly reminded how statisticaaly insignificant they are, especially by health professionals brandishing their official 'no causal relationship' statements courtesy of the CDC, AMA, ANA ET AL. Fortunately, there are some in the field who don't take that as the end of the discussion. Some, like Bonnie Dunbar have worked tirelessly to say ,'hey, we need to know the answers to why these vaccine injuries are happening'. Some, like Andrew Wakefield, have been viciously attacked for even posing the question. To all those who stand up for recognizing that we need more research and we need to even be asking the questions, my hat is off to you! | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 4:36:02 AM | It's not just the vaccination experiment on children that is out of control. If ADHD, ADD, Autism and other disorders are in large part, the result of vaccines, the industry has the solution..put 6 million kids on experimental psychiatric drugs. Punish the symptoms, rather than the cause, with yet more drugs.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/medicatedchild/?utm_campaign=homepage&utm_medium=bigimage&utm_source=bigimage | |
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