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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 11/5/2009 7:55:19 AM | No correlation between MMR vaccine and NDs in 537,000 Danish children of both sexes.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1003673,00.html
A *survey* with no medical examination or controls shows a 155% increase in NDs in vaccinated boys but not girls.
http://www.generationrescue.org/survey.html
Just an overview blog:
http://oracknows.blogspot.com/2005/06/thimerosal-and-autism-two-questions.html
Correlation is not causation. | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 11/5/2009 11:12:58 AM | Ideoform
And Autism is so prevalent now that it is getting hard to ignore this type of vaccination side-effect. The idea that vaccines cause autism began with a study led by Dr. Andrew Wakefield. He performed the study with 12 other authors who were unaware that Wakefield was being paid by 12 parents of autistic children who were trying to sue manufacturers of the MMR vaccine - when this information came to light, Wakefield's obvious conflict of interest was revealed and he was charged with professional misconduct. Essentially, these 12 parents believed MMR caused their childrens' autism and they paid Wakefield to rig a study to support that idea.
He is also guilty of falsifying data, data fixing, and scientific misconduct, and his conclusions resulted in a large drop in MMR immunizations which naturally led to increased incidence of illness. 10 of the other 12 authors of the study quickly retracted their support and exclaimed "We wish to make it clear that in this paper no causal link was established between (the) vaccine and autism, as the data were insufficient. However the possibility of such a link was raised, and consequent events have had major implications for public health. In view of this, we consider now is the appropriate time that we should together formally retract the interpretation placed upon these findings in the paper, according to precedent."
As for the 'evidence' that supports the idea that vaccines cause autism, I think earthpuppy's post #360 summarizes it nicely.
•1940s and 50s - Autism was primarily diagnosed in upper and upper-middle class families, those who could afford vaccinations.
•1970s and 80s - The U.S. government set vaccination goal rates, targeting approximately 97% of the population vaccinated. Federal grants and strict enforcement guidelines were implemented
•Before the 1980s, only eight vaccines were mandated.
•Early 1990s -Autism rates are listed as 1 in 10,000
•By 2000, the number of required vaccines increased to 22
•Early 2000, 1 in 150 children diagnosed with autism
•Since 1997, according to the CDC (Center for Disease Control) diagnosed ADHD increased at a rate of three percent per year. By 2006, the number of children aged 5-17 with ADHD was more than 4.5 million in the U.S.
•By 2009, the number of mandated vaccines has risen to 30, most of which are given in the first 18 months of a child's life.
•One in 91 children diagnosed with autism in 2009 The first point shows that in the 1940's and 1950's, autism was mainly diagnosed in families that could afford to have their members diagnosed for things. No mystery there.
The following points show that incidence of autism rose and incidence of vaccinations also rose. Similarly, the amount of bubble gum being manufactured rose, cell phone usage rose, and the number of pirates in the world fell. This shows that autism is caused by vaccines, bubble gum, and cell phones, and the inverse correlation with pirates show that pirates actually prevent autism - more research is required to examine the curative properties that piracy has on autism.
- and yes....that was sarcasm.
In case you missed it, the preceding paragraph is meant to show how flawed the reasoning is to show a relationship that is not a causal relationship.
The reason for an increase in rates of autism is not so much that it occurs more often, its mainly because of increased awareness and changing diagnostic criteria. Essentially, since we are so much more knowledgeable about autism than we were a few decades ago, we are far more able to detect it and diagnose it. Naturally, an increased ability to detect a condition makes it appear as though it occurs more often.
I imagine that you, and those parents that paid Wakefield to rig a study, find it easier to accept when you have some demon to blame for the autism in your child - and vaccines are an easy target to place the blame. Unfortunately, research shows that vaccines don't cause autism and those who continue to blame vaccines for whatever reason will continue to do real harm to countless people.
As for vaccines in general - do they have risks? And do they have side-effects in some people? Absolutely! But that doesn't change the fact that the benefits greatly outweigh the risks. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 12:07:42 PM |
"Correlation is not causation."
True.
That is great if you are someone who is trying to figure out the level of risk you are taking with either vaccinating or not vaccinating yourself or your children.
But people often forget the risk you are taking when you unilaterally make a decision without considering all sides of something that is in question. (If it is not in question, then there is no doubt or debate forming around the decision.) You are taking a risk when basing your decision on any information that is not personal experience...because all sources can be suspect. All agencies, companies, services, whatever, can have some corruption, bias, prejudice, human error, mismanagement, or manipulation.
This is the benefit of free speech. You can listen to many sides of a story, and you can balance your thoughts on any issue. Certainly everybody can lie. But over time, and over many interactions, you can (usually) figure out who is lying and who isn't, and when.
However, my opinion was formed, not by a fear of vaccination, but by the personal experience of having serious adverse reactions directly after vaccination in both myself, my sons and my Grandmother. This is not good for us.
I think it is panicky for people to attack anyone who was hurt by a vaccination for just warning people to be more careful.
I have never advocated getting rid of all vaccination.
I am advocating more research by more independent people into how to vaccinate more safely.
I think it is important to us that we find other ways to prevent diseases. We can find ways to enhance the practices we already know work to prevent disease so that families like mine have options.
Right now these are my options:
1. Risk another adverse reaction from getting a vaccination.
2. Risk getting a pandemic.
And these are my possible consequences:
If I get myself and my sons vaccinated and we get sick again, I have to live with the results of a significantly decreased quality of life for the three of us, possibly for the rest of my life and theirs.
If I don't get us further vaccinated (we each have had dozens of vaccinations already) I also risk getting ridiculed, feared, shunned and isolated because we might be contagious. In another thread, a poster said people like me were "killing our children." So now this is murder? That is panic....
Wow. Such great choices here. Hmmm, what would you do?
My son got the MMR. (So did I.) He developed a high fever and lost all language within a week. It is possible that the MMR was not the CAUSE. It might have been a combination of all the vaccinations he had been receiving, his genetics, and possibly he had another virus, like a cold or flu that was brewing in him the day he got the vaccination. It might also have been the Tylenol I was giving him prior to the vaccination. I thought it would help him with any fever he might get from the vaccination (fever is a common side-effect) but later I learned that taking Tylenol for a vaccination can interfere with the immune response.
The correlation was pretty unmistakable for us. However, I was unaware of any kind of controversy about vaccination at the time, and so I just thought he had the "normal" fever reaction. At the time my son got his MMR, there was no lawsuit, nobody had discussed the link between vaccinations and Autism yet. At least, not that I knew about.
I wish there was, because then I might have thought twice about it, and monitored him more closely for any reactions, and reported the changes in him sooner. As it was, I was unsure that the symptoms were severe enough to warrant any special concern, until he stopped communicating, and started stimming, and became unresponsive to sound. (Not unconscious, just unaware.) This was all 14 years ago.
In other words, I wish I had more informed consent. As it was, I didn't have enough information to make a good guess about the risk we were taking. All I am doing now is trying to get people to think about it. I want to warn parents to not assume that vaccination is a simple thing like taking antibiotics, (even they aren't so simple anymore, though.)
What is really sad to me, though, is that we are taking well people and making them sick.
This just isn't right. I know everyone thinks that polio will return, or mumps were horrible, and measles deadly, but none of this is really true. My daughter had cancer during a measles epidemic. The "epidemic" at the time, was just a few dozen cases. However, since she was on chemo at the time, she had to wear a mask whenever she left the hospital, and in the end, she died during the flu season of some kind of contagion (we never did find out, but the Doctors thought it was a cold.) Her suppressed immune system couldn't handle it. These are the children and people at risk and who are dying of this flu, most of them already have their health compromised in some way.
So all of you who are getting vaccinated are reducing the chance that chemo patients and elderly people at risk of pneumonia will come into contact with the flu. That is really great, and I thank you. (My daughter had an inoperable brain tumor, so she would have died anyway, perhaps a few months later.)
I think the Medical community considers this a great victory, getting so many people to take the flu shot. (And it is, if the goal is just mass vaccination numbers.) However, I personally am cringing, because I have had the unfortunate circumstance of being able to see both sides of this (in living colour!!) One child, who was terminally ill, would have benefited from greater public vaccination, and the other, who was healthy to begin with, was disabled, apparently because of being vaccinated.
My generation suffered through mumps and measles, and most got through just fine. Autism, on the other hand, is very difficult to deal with, because it is lifelong, considered incurable, and the entire family is affected by having to deal with it. And I can't even talk about it without fearful, panicky people ridiculing me as being "unscientific," when I actually have an interest in science. I studied college level human physiology, biology, psychology, sociology, anthropology, chemistry and botany. And since college, I study physics as a hobby. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 1:11:30 PM | "Dr. Andrew Wakefield. He performed the study with 12 other authors who were unaware that Wakefield was being paid by 12 parents of autistic children who were trying to sue manufacturers of the MMR vaccine - when this information came to light, Wakefield's obvious conflict of interest was revealed and he was charged with professional misconduct. Essentially, these 12 parents believed MMR caused their childrens' autism and they paid Wakefield to rig a study to support that idea. "
Years ago I read a book published about what this research group had learned about Autism, and I based some of my son's treatment on his research. Dr. Wakefield is a Gastroenterologist, and he was researching things trying to understand how to help his patients with bowel problems.
When I first read it, some of it sounded fantastical, that there were toxins in the urine of Autistic kids, and then they found out they came from foods that were incompletely digested, and two different peptides from two different foods combined to form this neuro toxin. This theory is now the basis for the main biological treatments that have been helping a lot of children with Autism for many years now. At the time, I put the book away, and the treatments went to the bottom of a large pile of things to try that I had researched. We were busy doing 40 hours per week, of the latest behavioral modification treatment, and there simply wasn't time to deal with the biological aspects, particularly since they seemed so far-fetched.
But later on, more parents were doing them, and a Doctor in my area wrote a book about his treatment protocol that he had used with his Autistic son. Both approaches became part of a treatment protocol called the DAN protocol. I went to a conference on this, and it was all professional medical people, Doctors, Nurses, who were ALSO parents of Autistic children. They seemed insistent that there was a biological cause (because, of course, they were medical professionals, and they saw it for themselves.) It seems strange that medical professionals don't listen to lay people until they have it happen to their own families.
I went to see the local DAN doctor, and at that time, seeing the results he had with his own son, I put my son on the treatments, and he got better. It wasn't a cure, but the behavioral therapy became easier for him to do, and he did better managing in school. After 9 months we stopped, and he did get worse. At that point we put him on psychoactive drugs. The drugs gave him seizures and other serious side-effects, and so at that point, we tried the dietary interventions again. This time we were much more careful in following it and he made a major improvement. So Dr. Wakefield's information helped my family.
I think that the pressure and vilification he received about his research is very sad. This discourages innovation. His motivation was not to make a lot of money suing people. His motivation was to help.
I have not tried to sue anybody. I suppose I could find that money very useful in paying for my son's expensive medical bills, since neither of our two insurances pays for Autism treatments of any kind.
Here's a quote about the biology of this:
"My husband, who has a Ph.D. in chemistry, got copies of the journal articles that the parents had mentioned on-line and went through them all carefully. As he explained it to me, it was theorized that a subtype of children with autism break down milk protein (casein) into peptides that affect the brain in the same way that hallucinogenic drugs do. A handful of scientists, some of whom were parents of kids with autism, had discovered compounds containing opiates -- a class of substances including opium and heroin -- in the urine of autistic children. The researchers theorized that either these children were missing an enzyme that normally breaks down the peptides into a digestible form, or the peptides were somehow leaking into the bloodstream before they could be digested."
~Karyn Seroussi, from "Unraveling the Mystery of Autism and Pervasive Developmental Disorder: A Mother's Story of Research and Recovery"
"The reason for an increase in rates of autism is not so much that it occurs more often, its mainly because of increased awareness and changing diagnostic criteria. Essentially, since we are so much more knowledgeable about autism than we were a few decades ago, we are far more able to detect it and diagnose it. Naturally, an increased ability to detect a condition makes it appear as though it occurs more often."
^^^This is a myth. The increased rates of Autism are not from increased awareness. Autism was so rare that they didn't teach about it to Doctors in medical school, or to students studying to become Special Education teachers. It was so rare that a Doctor could go 35 years without seeing a single case of Autism. This is the common experience of many of the Doctors I know. And my father was a Doctor, so I know a lot of Doctors.
Autism doesn't need a lot of knowledge to "detect" it -- is pretty obvious. There simply is nothing else like it. It is baffelling. The children don't act retarded, they don't act like anything else at all. Doctors didn't need an "increased ability to detect it" the Autistic children were not there to study. There simply weren't very many of them, anywhere, not in institutions, not anywhere.
This myth is somehow being perpetuated by people "out there" somewhere. But if you go ask any older Physician or older Special Education teacher, or older Child Psychiatrist if they saw Autism a lot before this "epidemic" (it seems to have begun around 1988) of Autism, they will tell you....it just wasn't there. Nobody was "hiding" them anywhere. Where could they hide?
This is why it took several diagnoses of Autism before anyone believed my son even HAD it, because, at the time, none of the Doctors we went to had even seen a single case of it before. I ended up having to go to three different Doctors, all specialists, one of whom was in another city, and each gave us an independent diagnosis of Autism, all the while, scratching their heads and telling me it was a hopeless disease with no possibility of recovery.
They all took their time, and gave him lots of tests, one taking two entire days. They wanted to study him, because he was a curiosity. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 4:19:21 PM |
The phrase you use, "To each our own," implies that I chose this. I think you are very lucky not to have had problems. Did you choose to be lucky?
My own experience is the only thing I can be truly certain of. If I could trade your personal experience for my own, I would, but that would not be very nice for you, then.
Oops- I guess I phrased that poorly- I Was fighting a little conspiracy of my own last night- my washer was refusing to give me clean clothes. I found the culprit. Because of this, I cut short my post a bit.
My apologies to you Ideoform. I guess what I was getting at that our world views are shaped by what we see right around us- mine and yours. Its tough to get the big picture, try to figure out what is true and what is not.
I feel a great deal of sympathy for you situation. I just lost my brother last month to something rare- neuroendocrinal carcinoma- affects 4 in a 100000 per year. The doctors and information I read couldn't point to a relationship to anything that may have caused it. It is frustrating to say the least. Since I'm not a doctor, I'll just have to learn to accept it.
I was going to point out there was a lot of good points in your post. It does create a lot ideas that can be used rather than just point out what is bad.
* Research needs to continue to find safer ways of preserving vaccinations. (Refrigeration-only comes to mind.)
* Research needs to continue to discover for which genetic types of humans vaccinations are fatal, or will cause serious chronic immune disruption, so that parents can make an informed choice about EACH vaccine.
* Research needs to continue to discover and educate the population about other public health practices that can protect our health so that we have several lines of defense against deadly diseases besides relying on vaccinations, in the event we "discover" there IS an upper limit to how often we can vaccinate an individual in their lifetime or at least in early childhood.
* Research needs to continue to discover ways to calm the immune system of a child or adult if/when a vaccination causes a reaction that does not stop on its own, or that continues toward an unhealthy process leading to chronic disease, like aut0-immune disorders, and severe allergies.
* Research needs to continue to find the best timing for a vaccination. There is probably an optimal time to vaccinate. For instance, many vaccinations require multiple doses because the immune system changes over time. Some of this is due to the child's development. There is also probably a "sub-optimal" time to vaccinate. In other words, there might be times in a child's development when it is the worst time to vaccinate.
* Research needs to continue to find ways to create vaccines that don't rely on animal proteins being injected into human bodies. This is one of the reasons many people are allergic to eggs. Many vaccines are created by injecting the diseases into live eggs.
* Research needs to continue to find a way to decide which deadly diseases are going to be best dealt with by a vaccination, and which we will deal with another way. Because there are too many diseases to vaccinate against all of them, since there are always going to be new ones appearing. There needs to be a process of thinking about what factors/elements are most important.
* We need to study if there is a better way to vaccinate, like vaccinating regions instead of everybody. Perhaps it isn't necessary to get vaccinated for certain diseases in every area at all times. For instance, when are we going to ever stop vaccinating for a particular disease?
As I see from your subsequent threads you have made progress with your son using the dietary modifications - there were links inside of the link where I found this too. Maybe this is a path worth pursuing further to find the causes of autism.
Medicine has made great strides over the years but still has a way to go. We have to remember the lives saved and lost or damaged and learn from this.
But we have to come up with good solutions and not just throw out the baby with the bathwater too. Nasal vaccine sounds promising, less painful and better received by the squeamish. I have no experience with them- Have to read up I guess. | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 11/5/2009 6:34:09 PM | Todays news- in my own community- 3 Deaths attributed to the Swine flu. Two older folks and a baby. Read if you like below.
http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2009/11/05/11651001.html
I guess through all of our discussions- there's no absolutely clean solution with vaccine vs no vaccine. It does come down to philosophical dilemmas.
Who's life do you risk for an others? How many do you trade?100 for 1 , 10 for 1? Is there another way to deal with it? Are there better screening tests for those who may have issues with vaccination? Do we quarantine everybody?Which things do we research going forward? How much money should be spent on what? | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:34:05 PM |
Do we quarantine everybody?
Better be carefull or you will also be called a CT for talking such things.
However here is a link to a story of a Hockey Team here in NB Canada
that got the jab and got sick...
story to the press is "they must have already been sick"
Now 17 guys are in quarantine for a week.
Team officials announced Tuesday night that two players had swine flu and 15 additional players and staff members are suffering from flu-like symptoms
The Moncton Wildcats recently came under fire when it was revealed that all 25 of their players had already been vaccinated against the swine flu, even as hundreds of others across Canada waited in long lines to get their shots
He said they were given the shots on Friday, but it takes at least a week for the vaccine to take full effect and players started getting sick that same day. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 8:26:25 AM | Here is an absolutely awesome video documentary on the swine-flu. It does away with all the media propaganda, spin and hype as well as staying clear of any information that is not verifiable fact.
It is on you tube and called; “the bell is tolling for the Swine flu.” 6 parts
TERESA FORCADES, doctor in Public Health, reflects on the history, and gives scientific data, of A type flu and lists all the irregularities related to this subject.
She explains the consequences of the declaration of a PANDEMIC, the political consequences from this declaration and makes a proposal to keep calm. She calls for an urgent activation of all legal mechanism and the participation of all citizens in this matter.
Big thanks to Marta Cobos (gripeArtificial), Marina, Paula Hernandez and Amalia, whose help made it possible to publish this version with English subtitles.
This is a deadly serious game that is being played upon Humanity.
EnJoy your day … Love and Peace always … in all ways … | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 11/6/2009 9:19:50 AM |
^^^This is a myth. The increased rates of Autism are not from increased awareness. Autism was so rare that they didn't teach about it to Doctors in medical school, or to students studying to become Special Education teachers. It was so rare that a Doctor could go 35 years without seeing a single case of Autism. This is the common experience of many of the Doctors I know. And my father was a Doctor, so I know a lot of Doctors.
This is not a myth. Autism is hard to diagnose and was even harder to spot in the days when doctors weren't taught about it in medical school. Now that they are, and there is greater awareness among doctors, ASDs are diagnosed much more often.
There has been a survey carried out in England on adult autism rates, it shows the adult autism rate as approx 1% consistently in all age ranges - from the 20's to 70's - these people must have been autistic children once, but for some reason they were missed;
Key facts
Using the recommended threshold of a score of 10 or more on the Autism Diagnostic Observation Schedule, 1.0 per cent of the adult population had ASD. Published childhood population studies show the prevalence rate among children is also approximately 1.0 per cent.
http://www.ic.nhs.uk/statistics-and-data-collections/mental-health/mental-health-surveys/autism-spectrum-disorders-in-adults-living-in-households-throughout-england--report-from-the-adult-psychiatric-morbidity-survey-2007
Autism doesn't need a lot of knowledge to "detect" it -- is pretty obvious. There simply is nothing else like it. It is baffelling. The children don't act retarded, they don't act like anything else at all. Doctors didn't need an "increased ability to detect it" the Autistic children were not there to study. There simply weren't very many of them, anywhere, not in institutions, not anywhere.
Autism needs specialist knowledge to be recognised, particularly in 'higher functioning' cases. My son was seen by a specialist pediatrician who referred him on to a multidisciplinary team, he was kept in for a week and had to have appointments with a psychologist, SaLT, OT etc before he was diagnosed. I see from your post that your son had the same hoopla to be dx'ed. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 12:12:12 PM | VoidDancer-thank you so very much for that link to those youtube vids! I will tell you why I liked them:
1. The interview is with a Doctor of Public Health
2. she is European, but also educated in the US-(gives her a broader perspective)
3. She is also a nun, and openly states that her sustenance is not dependent up on her income made from medicine, and therefore is not able to be manipulated as much as a DR. who is not in her position. Though I have my own opinions about the catholic church at times, I can see her point on this one
4. She only states things that are verifiable either in medical journals or the WHO website, other countries' Center's for Disease control type websites, and specifically states that while she appreciates and respects many alternative news sources, she only wants to use info reported in mainstream medical journal articles or respected newspapers, precisely because she does not want people to not look things up for themselves and verify that: SHE IS TELLING THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH! She doesn't want people to say-[oh that's a controversial source-everything in it is bogus], so she skips alternative sources altogether.
5. she doesn't slam the CT's who think 'the sky is falling', but calmly explains that throughout history there have been political interests who wanted to exert more control, and also that it is possible some people/ gov't agencies could have had GOOD motives of protecting the populace through vaccination. I like the way she encourages people on both sides to look at the facts vs their assumptions, and gives ample reason not to panic, as well as ample reason for peeps to educate themselves on the key facts
6. Among this Dr.s many informative points was this key point(which is very relevant to the SwineFlu 'Pandemic'):
The World Health Organization REMOVED (repeat!) REMOVED incidence of MORTALITY from what constitutes the official definition of a pandemic before so declaring the SwineFlu a level 5 pandemic -You can verify this on their own website. When one compares incidence of mortality from the seasonal flu to sf flu-the numbers do not cause such a panic
I highly highly recommend watching this informative video series, and thanks again for posting the info for all of us! | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 3:39:19 PM | hi... Ideoform, I am so sorry to read of your heartbreaks and trials.. blessings for continued healing, strength and understanding
when we go to other forums, like the relationship forum, we find post after post saying things like " if it quacks like a duck.." or "all the signs are there".. poster after poster in total disbelief that the OP can not see what they can see in flaming red letters... this is how I feel about vaccines and medications... how often do each of us mock the advertisements for drugs? .."take inhalex for asthma, possible side effects include death from asthma attack"... what is so impossible/far fetched about believing that vaccines, which are drugs, have serious side effects... I thank God, literally, for people who wrote and spoke out against vaccines, for me that was some 27 yrs ago...when I was 18 I went into the healthcare field, I happened to work in a huge institution/sanitarium as well as a treatment center for very troubled adolescents... in case after case development appeared normal up until the age 18 months to 2 yrs... then delays were noted... for yrs I thought nothing more then one day the flaming red letters appeared in the form of books written against vaccines and medications... not one or two but book upon book, Drs and alternative health advocates... bells went off and every cell in my body screamed out that the connection all those yrs ago was vaccinations and medications... it could not have been anything but the vaccines, develpoment was normal until the age of their first vaccinations...
as Ideoform points out, if you do not heed the warnings that is your choice but thank God for those who did not succumb to pressure and ridicule, many lives have since been spared the heartache that others have so sadly lived through...
outside of emergency situations I have very little faith in mainstream medicine/protocol... operations, treatments, vaccines, drugs <<all from the same system, if one branch seems questionable then it only makes sense that they all should be questioned... as a person who seeks God out for answers I can only say that for 27 yrs everything has pointed to healthy eating, exercise, pure air/water, sunlight, prayer, rest, love.. never has it pointed to medication, vaccines, mainstream vitamins, artificial preservatives, flavour /colours... blessings for health | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 3:48:30 PM | Mona -
http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Jenny_McCarthy_Body_Count/Home.html
In May 2007 Jenny McCarthy announced that Evan was not a “Crystal Child” after all, but had been diagnosed with autism (there is a possibility that he may have been misdiagnosed). She holds on to the mistaken belief that Evan’s alleged autism was caused by his receiving childhood vaccines. Most anti-vaccination believers claim that the compound thimerosal led to an increase in autism cases. The Measles/Mumps/Rubella vaccine is their usual target. However, thimerosal was never used as a preservative in the Measles/Mumps/Rubella vaccine. All vaccines licensed since 1999, with the exception of a few multidose container vaccines (such as some, but not all, HIB and Influenza vaccines), have not contained thimerosal as a preservative. Autism has not declined since 1999, thereby disproving this connection. In addition, Jenny McCarthy's child, Evan, was not born until 2002, well after thimerosal had been removed from most childhood vaccines. This has led Jenny McCarthy, and others, to claim that it was the MMR vaccine itself that caused autism or that it was vaccines in general that caused autism. All of these ideas have been disproven in multiple scientific and legal examinations of the evidence.
Stop being part of the problem and start being part of the solution. Take the vaccines..
298 people died from not getting the vaccines. In that time, 50,668 people got illnesses that could of been prevented. This is only after two years. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 4:38:43 PM | | Good post Wiyan... you beat me to it...lol... the one thing I found though is that the deaths from this influenza strain could be a 'little' higher than average... In Canada approximately 150-250 people die each year from influenza... Swine flu 'might' reach 300... People need to read more... The word 'Pandemic' is thrown around to easily now... re.- Sars... Bird Flu... West Nile Virus... | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 4:53:25 PM | thanks on a wire-as voiddancer's link to the Dr Teresa Forcades excellent youtube vids point out, health depts have been told NOT to test CASES for actual presence of H!N!-therefore, it is quite difficult to know actual causes of death for those included in the H1N1 mortality stats-they have been told to Assume that sx normal to a regaular flu or even pneumonia are attributable to the swine flu, thus spreading more panic
I also would like to extend my condolences to you Ideoform for all you have suffered and again, thanks for all the time and energy you put into your very important posts! | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 5:19:27 PM |
Here is an absolutely awesome video documentary on the swine-flu. It does away with all the media propaganda, spin and hype as well as staying clear of any information that is not verifiable fact.
It is on you tube and called; “the bell is tolling for the Swine flu.” 6 parts
My video player is wonky right now but I have a review of this video. See link.
http://translate.google.es/translate?u=http://www.elpais.com/articulo/sociedad/Desmontando/monja-bulo/elpepusoc/20091101elpepisoc_1/Tes&sl=es&tl=en&hl=es&ie=UTF-8
Translated from Spanish - its a little rough but it works. A different take on the video.
"Forcades that in the weeks after hanging up his video on YouTube has participated in several television and radio in which he explained his theory that the new flu pandemic is created by the major laboratories, is now untraceable. The country has tried to contact her without success. "He will be studying or teaching. Is very busy lately, trying to excuse one of her sisters coyly monastery Sant Benet. "He now lives in Germany," dice.Pero the network is almost always inevitable, and video Forcades has hundreds of thousands of hits on YouTube and has been linked to hundreds of websites. In the film, about an hour, there much of that sugar Poppins. Begins with a historical survey, cases of influenza A, reports on the low lethality of the virus ...nothing that any epidemiologist would not have entered. But at the sixth minute, is another heroine, Jane Bürgermeister journalist, and his complaint about "bioterrorism and attempted murder" against one of the laboratories that manufacture influenza vaccine, Baxter. "
Again - another reference with Jane Burgermeister- I went to her site. Pure conspiracy theory. I am again disappointed. It's hard to believe someone that blames things on the the Rothschilds and the New World Order. Having her in the video takes away much from the good sisters arguements. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 5:33:11 PM | | Dr. Tersa Forcades is definitely a woman, there are 6 videos in the series, all of which are viewable online, she is quite clearly NOT a conspiracy theorist, but, doesn't surprise me you don't know that as you haven't watched all of it including her strong statement to the contrary towards the end of video#6 and in fact, the information about Baxter's contamination in Chezchlosovakia was reported in the news, and even I have posted a link to the story before on Swineflu thread, so, no, you are wrong-it is NOT a conspiracy either-and is entirely traceable! | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 5:59:55 PM | | Great videos. I watched them all. Given the fact that the water we drink is loaded with chemicals, not only intentional additions, but runoff from chemical and pharmaceutical plants couple with the garbage they're spraying on crops and injections they give cattle and chickens to make them breed more, faster and plumper, it's not wonder there's an increase in autism. What we're doing to our food and water supply is alarming. Why is bottled water a billion dollar industry? Why can't we get pure drinking water straight from the tap? | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 6:16:06 PM |
Why can't we get pure drinking water straight from the tap?
Think you're going to get "pure" drinking water from anywhere? Even "pure" drinking water from springs carry some kind of contamination. Where my parents live in northern Ontario, where silver is abundant, so are naturally occurring arsenide in the rocks. The lake where their water comes from includes things like the parasite Guardia.
Why do people have to assume that "natural is the better way?" Nature is not nice. Neither is it evil. It simply is. That includes your DNA. Before you start blaming things like vaccines, you might want to look at your own DNA because, sometimes, they leave you open to things like ALS, cancer and all manner of nasty consequences to being a living thing.
As for viruses, they're amazing things. They are masters of evolution. We need to protect ourselves and we have the technology to do it. But hey, if you can figure out a way for herbal teas and eating my veggies to combat something like small pox, and can prove it, I'll be all ears. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 6:54:38 PM |
Again - another reference with Jane Burgermeister- I went to her site. Pure conspiracy theory. I am again disappointed. It's hard to believe someone that blames things on the the Rothschilds and the New World Order.
It was hard for people to believe man would ever fly
It was hard to imagine a black man would ever be leading the USA
It was hard to believe we could clone sheep as well
Just because its hard for you to believe something ,dont mean that it isnt true .
I am surprised that Jane is still alive actually . | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 6:57:08 PM |
I am surprised that Jane is still alive actually .
Of course, it couldn't be because there's absolutely nothing to her paranoid ramblings. No, that would be too obvious, wouldn't it. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 7:26:08 PM |
Dr. Tersa Forcades is definitely a woman, there are 6 videos in the series, all of which are viewable online, she is quite clearly NOT a conspiracy theorist, but, doesn't surprise me you don't know that as you haven't watched all of it including her strong statement to the contrary towards the end of video#6 and in fact, the information about Baxter's contamination in Chezchlosovakia was reported in the news, and even I have posted a link to the story before on Swineflu thread, so, no, you are wrong-it is NOT a conspiracy either-and is entirely traceable!
Wiyan- So can you get me a better link? in English? maybe written so I can read the words over carefully and quote them?
Yes I realize she is a "she"- as I said the translation program is rough (Google Translator) but I wasn't speaking about the Sister- it was her use of Jane Burgermeister. It makes things a lot tough try to sort fiction from fact if you use both when your making your case.
Next- the Baxter's contamination in Chezchlosovakia - so it makes all vaccine use wrong due to one accident at a lab? It was contained and never resulted in anything. I'd better stop driving then- lots of accidents happen and people have been killed.
Why is bottled water a billion dollar industry? Why can't we get pure drinking water straight from the tap?
Bluesman- this is a whole other thread and off topic. Please start a new one so I can start to explain why bottled water is mostly a HUGE scam getting people to pay many times the cost of tap water for something in a non biodegradable petroleum based container.
Why do people have to assume that "natural is the better way?" Nature is not nice. Neither is it evil. It simply is.
Virii and bacteria can be predators that eat us from the inside rather than from the outside. Water has been treated to eliminate them. People did and still do die from water borne diseases. SG and myself saw part of that close up- Walkerton- and the failure of a government to keep our systems safe due to lack of oversight. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 9:49:29 PM | | Truetemp-if you can't read the english subtitls fast enough-you can always use the pause button while you catch up. DR Forcades point about Baxter was that it was a secure lab and it would have been extremely, incredibly difficult for the contamination to have occurred accidentally, as she explains in full detail, as well as the fact that Baxter is now one of the drug Co's banking it from swine flu vax production after the supposed 'accident' that resulted in contaminated material sent to 18 countries simultaneously-A pretty humongous point that was reported in the news awhile ago now that some of us will never forget! | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 10:57:46 PM | Why do people never never seem to look at eating a healthy diet as one of the main protections against any bug or what not, i mean eating well and staying away from processed foods that come in a package. How about you eat raw veggies and fruit and eat seeds and legumes, wild rice...etc...there is so much great food you could eat, that could keep you healthy...but people are so quick to run and put a on band aid. Im sorry but that is all that is, vaccines are nothing more then Bs in my eyes, i dont think mother nature is flawed in her design at all. I think peoples thinking if flawed and we give no appreciation for what our bodies are capable of doing.
Getting a vaccine is the easy lazy way of TRYING to protect yourself, just like how everyone wants a pill that will make them slim, instead of exercise and eating right, go figure we would want a single shot that will ward off all danger LOL so silly .....
Plus saying they did tests on preg ladies is not ethical at all and should never be in practise.. as to why any woman with half a brain would put her unborn child at risk for some stupid vaccine, is beyond me ! 
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Posted: 11/6/2009 11:05:58 PM | | UPDATE: on the youtube vids voiddancer told us about :The Bell is Ringing For Swine Flu on youtube-a couple friends are currently watching them right now. Another friend just wrote that youtube said it is 'unavailable' I tried myself again and got 'unavailable'. These vids are so well done and popular they may be jamming up youtube right now. If you have trouble getting them, try again later | |
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