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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 11/6/2009 11:10:14 PM | Feel free to go to the gym daily, eat tofu, raw celery, and grasshoppers...and expose yourself to Ebola or smallpox. Get back to us on how that works out for you.
"YouTube"...right up there with "MedPub" as a popular and reliable source of information. | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 8:28:30 AM |
I think that the pressure and vilification he received about his research is very sad. This discourages innovation. His motivation was not to make a lot of money suing people. His motivation was to help. Wrong. His motivation was to help himself get paid £400,000 from those who were trying to sue a vaccine company and he earned that money by lying his ass off. His lies reduced vaccine rates which made kids sick - its disconcerting that being a liar and making kids sick needlessly doesn't stop you from admiring this guy .
It seems strange that medical professionals don't listen to lay people until they have it happen to their own families. It seems strange that you believe that.
I went to see the local DAN doctor, and at that time, seeing the results he had with his own son, I put my son on the treatments, and he got better. That's great, but irrelevant. And Wakefield had about as much to do with those treatments as my cat did. Interventions such as behavioural therapy and removing casein and gluten from the diet can do wonders, but your child didn't get better because of Wakefield's deceiving study.
The increased rates of Autism are not from increased awareness. Autism was so rare that they didn't teach about it to Doctors in medical school... Listen to what you're saying. If they didn't teach it to doctors then doctors wouldn't diagnose people with it now would they, heh heh.
And now that they do teach it more that has resulted in...wait for it...wait a little more...increased awareness!
Autism doesn't need a lot of knowledge to "detect" it -- is pretty obvious. Wrong again. You seriously think every case of autism is "obvious?" How unfortunate that after having a child born with autism, that you haven't had the time to learn about the condition. Autism can be subtle or severe, and anything in between. There are even two posters on these forums that I know have autism, both of whom are very intelligent, and your average person could probably spend a year with either of them and not realize they had any kind of condition. Another reason it can be subtle is when its present among other existing conditions - one client I look after is autistic, bipolar, developmentally disabled, and has OCD (omg I think OCD is the nastiest one - this poor guy is in mental agony) so detecting the autism amongst the other conditions would not have been easy.
My son got the MMR. (So did I.) He developed a high fever and lost all language within a week. The vaccine is likely responsible for the fever, but not the language deficit. Its quite common for autistic kids to regress. | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 9:54:56 AM | Wiyan … I am happy you enjoyed it … Thanks and Appreciated … … I notice in your last post you wrote ringing instead of “Bell Tolling for the swine flu” … hehehe … I just checked you tube and it is still available. There is also a youtube down loader available online. You can use it to save the 6 parts to your own hard drive.
Yes … it is an awesome video and drives right down the middle between the conspiracy theories and mainstream media.
This approach I feel is what is most needed at this time. It helps join us together as one common voice, which is most important. Humanity must unit.
we all see things differently and we al have a different looking face ... because we are all different ... but … we need to join as one voice on a common ground without our egos getting in the way. Teresa Forcades does an excellent job in this regard.
On a personal note: … I have followed and looked into many conspiracy theories over the decades. I could say a lot about the agenda behind this swine flu … but … there is no point to it at this time because it will cause division and endless debate among us.
It is sufficient to say … If there is a conspiracy going on … it isn’t the most important factor at play. The important factor is to get the facts out into the public arena so that people on either side of the fence can make informed decisions for themselves based on facts.
There is enough concrete factual evidence to work with and show a high risk in taking the vaccine and a series of blunders that have been made making it unsafe. This alone can get a lot people to refuse the vaccine. In this case, if a conspiracy is afoot, it gets stopped anyway. Which is the goal of the benevolent conspiracy theorists in the first place.
As long as enough of humanity stands up and says “NO” … it doesn’t matter the reasons why they personally make the decision “NO”
Those who want and take the vaccine shouldn’t worry one bit about those who refuse … after all … the vaccine protects them against the swine flu.
There is a low death toll … so … no real need to panic or get caught in the hype … If you do get the flu, I suggest that you mediate in your own way and ask your immune system to not over react or under react … This over reaction seems to be a problem with the temperature raising to about 130 degrees Fahrenheit in victims lungs in the Ukraine. Our immune system heats us up to defend against viruses. This type of meditation will help in this case against the swine flu and any of it’s mutations. :-)
EnJoy … Love and Peace always … in all ways | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 11/7/2009 2:12:12 PM | "Stop being part of the problem and start being part of the solution."
I am part of the solution, not giving into corporate money makers who care less about my health or yours... I do not have one speck of a speck of doubt that vaccines are toxic and that they are part of the cause for our weakened immune systems.... the vaccine scar on my mothers arm is the size of a Toonie, mine is the size of a dime... permanent scars at the point of entry, think about that... a small needle leaving such a horrid obvious permanent scar on the skin, the toxins were that damaging, imagine what it did once inside the blood stream... be a victim all that you want but I am going with my God Given Wisdom on this one, no flu vaccine... blessings | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 10:30:24 PM | Here you go.
Information on the H1N1 vaccine and its benefits.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/11/03/What-We-Have-Learned-About-the-Great-Swine-Flu-Pandemic.aspx
Indulge. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 1:31:46 AM | I'm assuming you do know that Mercola.com is an anti-vax site and Dr Russell Blaylock is an anti-vaxxer and conspiracy theorist (he believes that drug use and AIDS in the US came about due a Soviet plot which the media keep covered up)?
Would you like some tea with your propaganda sir? | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 1:46:22 AM | Really?
Propaganda is when you manufacture vaccines with the intent to give each person two doses, then down-grade to each person only needing one dose, and then declare a vaccine shortage. Its illogical.
Could you provide the supposed conspiracy information with a link? Thanks.
Also, instead of completely trying to side-swipe me for providing alternative information about the H1N1 vaccine, why don't you bring to light what pieces of information is bull crap?
Oh, my! Thats a jolly cup of tea! | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 2:36:58 AM | Could you provide the supposed conspiracy information with a link? Thanks.
You would just need to have a look at his published papers
http://www.aapsonline.org/jpands/hacienda/blaylock3.html
or Amazon profile
http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A3TBYAXCH6YLSR
to get a taste of his Soviet conspiracy beliefs.
It's always worth researching the background of the writer of any article, so that you can make up your own mind on any bias he or she might have.
Propaganda is when you manufacture vaccines with the intent to give each person two doses, then down-grade to each person only needing one dose, and then declare a vaccine shortage. Its illogical.
You can have a two dose (preservative free) shot if you wish, no one's forcing anyone to have the single dose, or even have the vaccination at all.
Also, instead of completely trying to side-swipe me for providing alternative information about the H1N1 vaccine, why don't you bring to light what pieces of information is bull crap?
It's a very long article full of misinformation, I've just pulled out two random claims and added some information.
Pregnant Women NOT at Special Risk from Swine Flu
[...] Early on the official sources declared that pregnant women were at a special risk as compared to the seasonal flu.1 As we shall see later, this was a grand lie.
Pregnant women have an increased risk from *any* type of flu and, as the study he selectively quotes from shows, there were 66 unvaccinated pregnant women admitted to ICU with confirmed swine flu in NZ, this translates to 26 per 100,000 pregnant women in ICU with H1N1 - non pregnant admissions were much lower at 2.9 per 100, 000. This shows the much increased risk of swine flu in pregnancy.
H1N1 Vaccine is NOT Made the Same as Regular Flu Vaccine!!
I am really upset at the insistence by the CDC, medical doctors and the media that all pregnant women should be vaccinated by this experimental vaccine. The media repeats the manufacturers’ mantra that this vaccine is produced exactly like the seasonal flu, when in fact it is not. Yes, they use chicken eggs, but the rest has been fast tracked and many shortcuts on safety procedures have been allowed.
The only ingredient that's different between the seasonal flu vaccine and the H1N1 vaccine is the virus that's used. The ingredients of all current vaccines can be read here;
http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/package_inserts.htm
I would suggest that you take time to compare and contrast the two and decide for yourself whether Dr Blaylock's suggestion that they are different is true or not.
Using quotes from sources that either don't exist or can't be checked (cover up anyone?) is the biggest alarm bell from this article, many of the 'references' appear to be non existent [or perhaps just not accessible].
I urge everyone to look objectively at the facts and do their research fully. | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 11/8/2009 9:42:43 AM | | SLS-I read your post about Dr Blaylock, bc I thought it incredible that any Dr would claim that the Soviets 'caused' AIDS to come about. In fact, that is actually not what he claims-read the article again carefully. It is more a point he makes that by association, because of people's drug use, it facilitated the spread of diseases, including AIDS (ie poor hygiene/high risk behaviors) Just thought I would point that discrepancy out to you | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 11/8/2009 9:45:39 AM |
The Soviet drug war has produced an epidemic of hepatitis, AIDS, venereal diseases and highly resistant tuberculosis. It has also filled our mental institutions, as well as our streets, with psychological cripples who are not only an economic burden, but add substantially to the crime and violence in our cities.
Directly from the article. | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 11/8/2009 10:08:51 AM | | yes, thank you, but to understand the point in context of the entire piece leaves quite a different impression IMO. I am curious if he mas made unsubstantiated points tho. He made a point recently for which no citation was provided that a Naturopath friend passed on to me. I actually em'd him, and awaiting a reply. I wholeheartedly agree with you about the need for citations!! | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 10:14:10 AM | Hey Truetemp: here is a link to the English translation of Dr Teresa Forcades vids on SF vax complete w/ her citations too:
www.slideshare.net/guest0a4bd7/english-gist-of-teresa-forcades-presentation-on-h1-n1
the videos are great, but this also has her citations to verify what she is saying | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 11/8/2009 10:20:51 AM | I'm glad you took the time to question him :)
In my opinion the article is too long, written in a scaremongering, biased, unscientific fashion, has some unsubstantiated points and quite a bit of conjecture. It really won't help anyone come to an informed decision.
Again people, open eyes, open mind and research...
ETA: I'm referring to the Mercola.com article rather than his other works/papers. | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 11/8/2009 11:03:22 AM | Given the recent news out of the Ukraine, Baxter shipping deadly vaccine by "accident" recently, and the strange story of Joseph Moshe back in August, I wonder what we all make of this:
http://shtf411.com/joseph-moshe-baxter-and-a-biological-weapon-in-ukraine-t965.html
The conspiracy, if true, it would seem to indicate that all the people who laughed at chicken little stand to be squashed by big chunks of sky. There is of course some probability that it isn't true, and it really is a hoax.
The big question is, do you have so much faith in the honesty and compassion of the people who run things that you can dismiss it out of hand and simply take what they give you, trusting their word that it's for your own good? | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 11:21:48 AM | Thanks Wiyan for that and the internet advise.
I could say something but sls177 has basically covered them. Bravo!
Using quotes from sources that either don't exist or can't be checked (cover up anyone?) is the biggest alarm bell from this article, many of the 'references' appear to be non existent [or perhaps just not accessible].
In my opinion the article is too long, written in a scaremongering, biased, unscientific fashion, has some unsubstantiated points and quite a bit of conjecture. It really won't help anyone come to an informed decision.
These arguments put forth by the anti-vaccine community always refer to the same incidents and theories(1976, guilles barnes syndrome,possible escape from labs, icky sounding ingredients) that basically undermine their own arguments. The argument that the swine flu is not that harmful because of low incidence- well that won't be known until after it has past. So why not use a precautionary approach similar to the removal of thermisol - that is do something even when you don't have all the facts yet?
Screaming headlines of huge harm with text underneath stating small chances of harm, possible doom with no proven history and other distortions do no good except for media outlets. | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 11/8/2009 11:37:48 AM | Propaganda is when you manufacture vaccines with the intent to give each person two doses, then down-grade to each person only needing one dose, and then declare a vaccine shortage. Its illogical.
You can have a two dose (preservative free) shot if you wish, no one's forcing anyone to have the single dose, or even have the vaccination at all.
What are you talking about? There can't be a vaccine shortage when we have produced double the amount of vaccines needed. Saying there is a vaccine shortage is propaganda.
Also, what is this two dose (preservative free) shot you are talking about? | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 11:44:52 AM | | Dukky! Oh My GOD!!!!!!!!!!!! the link you provided didn't work, but I googled " Joseph Moshe Baxter Ukraine" and read the links as well as watched the video. Thanks for posting that one! Very important to follow up on the Ukraine tragedy right now! | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 11:52:15 AM | In reply to the question about what the 'two dose shots' are -
The vaccine is available [to adults] in preservative free two dose shots (Celvapan, Focetria) or as one shot with preservative (Pandemrix). | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 12:11:35 PM | @ Wiyan
Too bad the link didn't work, but many of the links are currently "disappearing". I suggest you download where possible, because the links may soon get "unlinked."
I now have little doubt that this is an attempt to lead the lambs to the slaughter. (or not...but I'm taking no chances with the lives of either myself or my loved ones) | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 1:18:59 PM | | FYI for naissance man. Those of us concerned about the use of squalene containing vax are faced w/ the fact that research on the vax was w/ viral material and NOT squalene. Some have said there was no squalene in the anthrax vax that was given soldiers who cale down w/ gulfwarsyndrome. That is not true-even the FDA has admitted to lot #'s of anthrax vax which DID contain squalene. If there are any gulf war vets reading this wondering if your anthrax jab did in fact contain squalene, there is a list of lot #'s which were proven to have squalene, and the message board on the website for Gary Matsumoto's book, Vaccine A, has a list of verified squalen containing lots of the vaccine as well as which bases they were administered at. Now back to whether or not your h1n1 vax will contain squalene, drug co's CAN add it at the last minute and it will not most likely be included on the package insert, making your vax appear much safer-at least on paper. Though it IS interesting to note that in Canada at least,as NS Lass has already pointed out, folks are being told that children under a certain age and pregnant women are being given adjuvant free vax-I pray this is true, but, time will tell | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 1:35:41 PM | Don't think I said that kids are getting the adjuvant-free vaccine, but I did say that pregnant women can choose to take that form if they'd like.
Since the US and Canada are going for different forms of the vaccine, there should be lots of comparative data on rare side effects when all this is said and done.
What I find ironic about all of this is that by the time the vaccine will be ready for the nonpriority groups, there will be barely any reason to take it, since the flu will have peaked and subsided...at least I hope it subsides quickly. A few people who I know have had this flu, and it's a nasty business. One is fighting to recover after weeks of illness. I really think that we were lucky this time. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 1:40:12 PM | | sorry NSL-I see msg 327-you did only mention pregnant women-my mistake-I stand corrected!-think I heard the young kids included in the unadjuvated group on BC news | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 8:41:39 PM | Listen, I really hope that nobody gets the flu this year. I hope everybody is taking really good care of yourselves and not worrying too much about conspiracies taking control of your lives. I really don't want to be a part of any conspiracy theory, (or reality, for that matter.)
I wish I didn't have the experiences I have had, because I could just ignore all this as being no big deal. But it is a part of my everyday experience. I can't ignore it in my own life.
I want to say to everyone who is getting vaccinated for every disease that has a vaccine available, thank you. Thank you for taking the risks to vaccinate so that people like me and my family will be less likely to be exposed to these diseases, because we react badly to vaccines.
I want to say one more thing. And that is that vaccines are meant to manipulate human immune systems. They were intended this way. I don't think I am making a far-fetched statement to say that this can cause some changes to the human immune system that we don't want. We are trying to change immune systems permanently so that we are always carrying these changes. How far of a step is that toward permanent changes that skew toward things that sometimes cause us problems?
The human immune system is like part of our nervous system. It senses what is in the environment, and reacts to it. This reaction can protect us from deadly diseases, but it can also over-react to non-threatening things, as happens with allergies, and auto-immune disorders. Whenever we are taking a vaccine, we are manipulating our immune system for many years to come.
There is some evidence that sickle cell anemia is a human genetic variation that affords some protection from malaria. When people with this genetic heritage move away from areas where malaria is a common problem, the sickle cell trait becomes useless to them in promoting survival. We don't immunize against malaria in colder climates because it does have some risk. If there was no risk, we would immunize everyone against everything (in case they travel and forget to get their shots first.) I have been immunized against tropical diseases. I sometimes wonder if it was worth it for one month of travel in Nicaragua, since it appears that my immune system had something to do with the problems my children were born with. I suppose getting malaria would have been horrible, and possibly fatal, but my mother's instincts tell me I should have been more protective of my future children. Maybe someday research will tell me if this was part of the problem.
Hindsight is always 20/20. I hope everyone is careful. I am trying to warn people to be more careful. I don't have anything to gain from saying the things I am saying. I know that nobody really knows who I am. If I was famous you could Google me like everyone does with all of the other experts who have spoken about this issue. Unfortunately, I am just a mom. I have only my personal opinion, and the experience of being around lots of parents of children with Autism when I go to clinics, conferences, and hospitals where Autism is being studied and treated. So many parents say their children regressed within days after having their vaccination.
I don't have to prove I am right to save my company from a lawsuit. I don't have to prove I am right to promote some health-food store's products. I don't have to prove I am right to get attention to get a date. I have already met someone from here and I am dating him for over 6 months now. I don't have to prove I am right to assuage my "mommy guilt" over having a disabled child, because I work as a volunteer with other people's disabled children, and I don't blame them for their children's problems.
I just don't want to go to my grave thinking I could have done something to prevent other families from having to deal with what we have had to deal with and I didn't say anything about it because I was too sensitive and didn't want to get some stupid label like "conspiracy theorist," or "anti-vaccination" fanatic. | |
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