| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 9/15/2009 1:21:48 AM |
If it's safe then why do they want to test it?
Why? Because it's new and improved. roll: On second thought, which is it? New? Or improved. roll:. You obviously test something to see if it's safe. Obviously, they don't know just yet. | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 9/15/2009 5:37:28 AM | You also test something to see if it is efficacious.
But pure paranoia would lead one to prefer the path of believing it's just human testing of somehow pathogenic vaccines that are... wait for it... almost exactly the same as the last set of flu vaccines that were also pretty damn safe, except for the specific flu virus(es) that's been used to generate it. | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 9/16/2009 8:43:43 PM | Um, isn't the Daily Mail some kind of tabloid?
Perhaps y'all don't remember - I dunno, maybe 20 (or is it really 30?) years ago - when we had a bout of swine flu? And lots of people got flu vaccine, or they got the flu. One thing that seems to be happening is that this time around it's often more prevalent in young adults (who wouldn't have gotten it or the vaccine 20+ years ago) and when adults get it, it's fairly mild, possibly because they were exposed or vaccinated to a similar flu during the last round of swine flu.
If you don't want a vaccine, don't get one. But if you get sick, please stay home and keep it to yourself. | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 9/24/2009 9:59:02 AM | | The vaccine contains squalene, which was determined to be the cause of the 'gulf war syndrome' as it is a neurotoxin.I think (though not certain) some vials may also contain mercury Thimerosal-you will have lots of fun googling that one! Interestingly enough, the patent for the vaccine was applied for in 2007!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you watch the tone of news in US and Canada, there is no uncertainty-newscasters and CDC officials speak with total certainty of how the pandemic will evolve. Pretty interesting after the failed 1976 sf pandemic as well as how SARS turned out. What motivated me to start doing research on this was all of the filns that came out in the past couple of yrs leading up to this about bioterror and pandemics. I feltr like we were all being primed. Nothing I have said is conjecture, conspiracy theory or false. Google the info yourself. The information is out there. | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 9/24/2009 10:01:44 AM | | PS bluesman, if you msg me with an em addy, I can send you some interesting links about the sf vaccine. I am glad I'm not the only one concerned about this. Thanks for posting this! | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 9/24/2009 10:23:13 AM |
Plans of mass injections of something that is still being tested
wouldnt that be a kick in the gut if 6 months down the road
they find out the testing was wrong because they rushed it
and it gave people a life span of one year......
Of course there may be an upside; maybe those that choose to get the shot will end up with mutated genes that will give them super powers   | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 9/24/2009 11:06:18 AM |
The vaccine contains squalene, which was determined to be the cause of the 'gulf war syndrome' as it is a neurotoxin
This was already covered in the 'other' thread about swine flu vaccine. Squalene is not a neurotoxin (you are probably getting your conspiracy theories mixed up, as OTHER additives have been claimed to be neurotoxins). There have been no studies that confirm squalene causes any disease. Squalene is naturally produced by your own body, and is not sequestered in any specific area (although it is more highly concentrated in some tissues).
Let me repeat. You have squalene......in your body.....right now.
There is no difference between the squalene in the vaccine and the squalene that is produced naturally inside your own body. It is of course possible that adding significant amounts of squalene to your system could cause some type of problem, just as adding unnatural amounts of anything to your body can cause probablems. I say that its 'possible', because the anthrax vaccines that you are talking about only contained squalene in trace amounts, and would not constitute a test of adding a significant amount. The amount in the anthrax doses, was no more 'additional' squalene than would enter your bloodstream through a small cut that allowed some of your own skin secretions to leak into your bloodstream. | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 9/24/2009 2:48:49 PM |
Let me repeat. You have squalene......in your body.....right now.
You also have hydrochloric acid .... in your body.... right now. Which doesn't mean it'd be safe to have it injected into your bloodstream.
( Just saying FYI)
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 9/24/2009 2:49:03 PM | There is a vast difference between the small amout of naturally occuring squalene in our systems, and the act of injecting high doses of squalene mixed with other dubious ingredients. On an annecdotal note, my sister developed a highly distressing life long immune system disorder at age 18 with no family history of such, and my father nearly died from the 1976 vaccine and went on to develop Parkinsons Disease. The adjuvant squalene is designed to hypercharge the body's immune response with the theory that one would be better equiped to ward off the flu virus. That hypercharge can last for up to a year. Drug companies test their subjects briefly and make their "safe" claims on the basis of weeks of response vs. the years that it takes many symptoms and diseases to manifest themselves.
I see many GW 1 Vets in the VA system. It is heartwrenching to see what we did to those citizens of ours. There was considerable squalene in the vaccines and it was banned from military vaccines in 2004 as result of new information.
http://www.rense.com/general87/mill.htm
The average quantity of squalene injected into the US soldiers abroad and at home in the anthrax vaccine during and after the Gulf War was 34.2 micrograms per billion micrograms of water. According to one study, this was the cause othe Gulf War syndrome in 25% of 697.000 US personnel at home and abroad. (3). You can find this table of FDA analyses from the Gulf War lots on The Military Vaccine Resource Directory website (4)
a.. AVA 020 - 11 ppb squalene (parts per billion)
b.. AVA 030 - 10 ppb squalene
c.. AVA 038 - 27 ppb squalene
d.. AVA 043 - 40 ppb squalene
e.. AVA 047 - 83 ppb squalene
These values were confirmed by Prof. R. F. Garry (5) before the House of Representatives. Prof Garry was the man to discover the connection between the Gulf War syndrome and squalene.
According to his findings, the Gulf War syndrome was caused by squalene, which was banned by a Federal Court Judge in 2004 from the Pentagons use. (6)
As seen on p. 6 of this EMEA document (7), the Pandremix vaccine contains 10,68 mg of squalene per 0,5 ml. This corresponds to 2.136.0000 microgrammes pr. billion microgrammes of water, i.e. one million times more squalene per dose than in (4). There is any reason to believe that this will make people sick to a much higher extent than in 1990/91. This appears murderous to me."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14851 | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 9/24/2009 5:34:50 PM |
You also have hydrochloric acid
Well aware. However, it is sequestered. Squalene is found in the blood stream, skin cells, liver, etc etc etc..... Every tissue that injected squalene would come in contact with.
The anti-body prevalence is concerning, but I guess we will find out whether squalene actually causes GWS soon enough. Millions will voluntarily inject themselves with the H1n1 vaccine containing 'high' amounts of squalene, and within a year we will have our results. If you don't want to be one of the guinea pigs, don't. I'm just saying that it's inaccurate to say that there is a confirmed causal link between squalene and GWS (obviously I don't completely agree with R. F. Garry's conclusion). | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 9/24/2009 5:44:43 PM | | Thanks for all the Guinea Pigs amongst us. Unfortunately, our troops did not have that option. The Tennessee Department of Child Services is forcing a friend of mine with custody of a 2 year old to have the child become part of the experiment. With rising rates of autism from previous mercury tainted vaccines, people are being forced into no choice in the matter, no matter how many misgivings they have or how much they care for those under their wings. | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 9/25/2009 3:30:26 PM | ok, bluesman-guess I'll post links here then. Here's the one@ Sflu patent applied for in '07:
a4cgr.wordpress.com/2009/08/22/03-128/
the other ones I posted are also worth viewing
knowledge is power, and I hope we can all educate ourselves. | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 9/25/2009 4:04:58 PM | couple more links for ya:
http://www.infowars.com/judje-napolitano-on-forced-vaccination-in-massachusetts/
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xue5acTIUfs
if I remember correctly, the second link also mentions the military website where one can get more info on soldiers being trained for vaccinating citizens
here in Wa state, the nurses association successfully sued for the right to resist the hepB vaccine. I am watching closely what they do with the swineflu vaccine, hoping they will also prevail, as it's looking pretty clearly like a death sentence in a syringe, and fortunately, nurses don't make good sheeple. | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 9/26/2009 2:20:56 AM | New concerns that the seasonal flu shot may increase chances of getting H1N1, and questions on how the two vaccines might interact. This is all about a short term experiment in artificial shocking of immune systems. The anti-biotic experiment is less than a century old and we're seeing MRSA having the last laugh.
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/09/23/flu-shots-h1n1-seasonal.html#socialcomments-submit | |
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Posted: 9/26/2009 3:41:05 AM | Where have all the real scientists gone on these threads? From my perspective, you people who believe government is using us to experiment on or cull are the sheeple. You feed on lies and distortions to spread fear through an uneducated subsection of the population. You're not just sheeple yourselves; you're efforts are recruiting sheeple.
I'm not saying that politicians aren't self-serving and that seasonal vaccines might not be all they're cracked up to be (in fact, in the original thread on swine flu I posted a link to a paper that showed that flu vaccines have no effect on flu incidence in the general population), but to jump to this idea that there is a mass conspiracy to reduce the population is pure paranoia.
Please tell me that there are sane people out there who agree with me because these threads are starting to scare me. | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 9/26/2009 4:42:07 AM |
Where have all the real scientists gone on these threads?
We gave up on injecting reason into the argument days ago, for the most part. You're left with the conspiracy theorist lawyer and the New Agers.
Also, if anyone had bothered to read the link I posted re: herd immunity and vaccinations, they'd know that the incidence in the general population doesn't drop significantly until you get into the 90%+ range for immunizations. This does not mean that protected individuals are not protected FROM THE DISEASE FOR WHICH THE VACCINE IS DESIGNED. (There are usually more than a dozen major flu viruses in circulation at any time, and the vaccine protects against *3*, the 3 that the CDC, etc... think will be the most deadly that year. | |
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Posted: 9/26/2009 5:34:52 AM | Nice to see you, Rhino; a breath of dry, desert air. I hadn't read your link about protection when immunization reaches 90% but I have read literature on the targeted protection of vaccines. The study I read had 50% of a population (in my province actually) inoculated during a 5-year period and there was no difference in hospitalization due to flu during those 5 years. I've also read that there can be as many as 200 viruses making the rounds during a flu season, but one would assume that 90% of them are mild.
I've never been one to receive a vaccine, since my body has traditionally done very well on its own, but I must say that the newest Canadian studies showing that the seasonal flu shot can double your chances of catching Swine Flu have made me sit up and take notice. I hope it's not a harbinger of the future, where vaccines become more of a risk than a prevention. I don't feel that I need a vaccine, but there are many in our population who do. We should find out more once these studies pass the test of peer review. | |
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