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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 10/24/2009 7:57:25 PM | ^^^^^
Agreed- anyone here without a doctorate in medicine should not be allowed to promote such fallacies without proven studies. I read posts- all from bias sources- massage therapist/ writer/herbalists holding themselves out as a medical experts- look at their citations and find misrepresentation- and dismiss them. Side arguements about personal rights are off topic at best and selfish at worse.
Most folks don't read past headlines- "Vaccines are dangerous!"- then if you read the body of the text it says " will cause discomfort and maybe a cyst"- is this worth dying for?
I have seen more hysteria lately regarding this topic lately than anything else- this flu will kill more people than the vaccine will - why harp about it? | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 10/24/2009 8:05:02 PM |
in other words ,you dont have a clue what is in the Pandemic responce bill already passed in senate...
And I ask again...what is YOUR recommended response to a medical emergency such as a sudden disease onset. Okay, say ebola were to suddenly get out somehow. Would you want people to frolic freely and spread the disease far and wide?
maybe you should read it
You, of course, assume I didn't. But did you consider the implications of a state/provincial and/or federal response? | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 10/24/2009 8:32:02 PM | | hi ^^^^^ there is nothing selfish about knowing that something is bad and refusing to be a victim of it... the hysteria has been going ever since the first vaccines were invented... in my own experience it was 30 yrs ago that I was first warned against vaccines and medications and it has been for 30 yrs that people have mocked me for my decision to avoid them... my daughter and I are healthy because we make healthy choices in our lives, it is not an accident and it is certainly not because of vaccines..... if people did not stand up for their rights and beliefs or if people did not care about the health and safety of others we would still be using lead in our paint and asbestos in our homes.... blessings | |
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Posted: 10/24/2009 8:50:03 PM |
what is YOUR recommended response to a medical emergency
I have no recommendations.
I am not even sure it should be a 'State of Emergency'
could this all be a smoke screen for something else ?
perhaps setting things in place under the guise of a 'Pandemic'
a collapse of the banks ?
a collapse of the economy ?
all they needed to do was create a fast moving virus
call it a pandemic and create misinformation
now they control public gatherings....communications...everything
what a great time to make changes that they know would cause mass panic
when the country is locked down under goverment orders.
As you can tell....I am still playing with all this
I just dont like the way things are shaping up here is all
still dont know what to believe ,
all I know is 3 years ago I lived in the city core
dependent on electricity and the food available in the stores
now..
I am tucked away in the mountains , dont need their hydro... or their food
I am ready to take care of myself in any situation.
Hopefully, this is just a nasty bug that will pass in time.
I guess looking back , I WOULD have some recommendations..
-plan for the worse and hope for the best
-extra meds on hand is always a good idea
-cash on hand in case of power outtage
-a couple weeks supply of food in case you get sick or cant get out
-stay out of public gatherings untill this passes | |
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Posted: 10/24/2009 8:58:36 PM | And that's kind of an important point, don't you think? Not everyone has the luxury to pull up stakes and retreat into the mountains. And, as history has shown, the next "big bad bug" is just around the corner. Remember the bubonic plague? Diptheria? Small pox? Measles?
It's amazing how so many of those diseases of the past are exactly that...in the past. So, even if you choose not to be vaccinated, you have that luxury because your chances are reduced in encountering it. How? Vaccines. Now you want to sit there and question over a century and a half of established science and lump it under "conspiracy."
I wonder if, when the next big one hit and people started falling around 'em, how many would be so hesitant to get the jab. | |
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Posted: 10/24/2009 10:46:57 PM | | ^^^^^ I am inspired to think of how many thousands of patriotic military sevicemembers in the US, UK, Canada and Australia were injured by the adjuvant in the unlicensed untested anthrax vaccine they recieved, though they were told the vaccine they were getting was the earlier licensed safe version , (which did not contain squalene). They have really struggled since the first gulf war to get recognition, care from the Va, and are finally finding the MD's and PHDs interrested in and willing to the research on whether or not that have antisqualene autoimmune markers . The ones who suffer from GWS all do have those markers. I am happy for those servicemembers who got the earlier anthrax vax and noMF59 in their dose. MF59 has squalene in it. It is in the list of ingredients in the swine flu vaccine . Their truth is coming out, the truth about Hilary Koprowski/Wistar/polio/congo has come out, and its only a matter of time before people who elect to take this vaccine -their truth will also come out too . | |
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Posted: 10/24/2009 11:38:09 PM | The new declaration clears the way for waivers of federal requirements that, for example, could prevent hospitals from establishing off-site, alternate care facilities that could help them deal with emergency department demands, the White House said.
They sure are good at wording things nicely
"off site , alternate care facilities "
almost sounds ' spa like ' doesnt it ..?
they wouldnt REALLY be talking of FEMA camps would they ?
"off site , alternate care facilities "
kinda rolls off of the tongue nicely I think
Pat on the back for the PR guy
"off site , alternate care facilities "
what if gramma dont wanna go ?
what if the kids dont want to go ?
oh ya ...thats right...write a letter | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 10/25/2009 12:02:13 AM |
On Friday the U.S. Food and Drug Administration issued an emergency use authorization for an experimental new drug called peramivir, made by Biocryst Pharmaceuticals Inc and licensed to Shionogi & Co Ltd.
The authorization allows the intravenous drug to be used in hospitalized patients who cannot take pills or inhale Relenza or when Tamiflu or Relenza do not seem to be helping
"emergency use of of an exprimental new drug"
nice to slip that line in there as well..
gee...right full of surprises arent they.
when Tamiflu or Relenza do not seem to be helping
dont " SEEM" to help ?
so not only an exprimental new drug
but the right to expriment on YOU period .
These people scare me more then the damn bug does.
but hey...no worries
its just them silly CT guys and their tinfoil hats ...right ?
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 10/25/2009 12:32:56 AM | | You're right about that. Keep people fearful and they're more easily steered...herded...distracted while their rights are trashed and it bothers no one? | |
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Posted: 10/25/2009 7:55:16 AM | From the inbox this morning. Seems like good common sense tactics to minimize viral proliferation.
Prevent Swine Flu - Good Advice
Dr. Vinay Goyal is an MBBS,DRM,DNB (Intensivist and Thyroid specialist) having clinical experience of over 20 years. He has worked in institutions like Hinduja Hospital ,Bombay Hospital , Saifee Hospital , Tata Memorial etc..
Presently, he is heading our Nuclear Medicine Department and Thyroid clinic at Riddhivinayak Cardiac and Critical Centre, Malad (W).
The following message given by him makes a lot of sense and is important for all to know
The only portals of entry are the nostrils and mouth/throat. In a global epidemic of this nature, it's almost impossible to avoid coming into contact with H1N1 in spite of all precautions. Contact with H1N1 is not so much of a problem as proliferation is.
While you are still healthy and not showing any symptoms of H1N1 infection, in order to prevent proliferation, aggravation of symptoms and development of secondary infections, some very simple steps, not fully highlighted in most official communications, can be practiced (instead of focusing on how to stock N95 or Tamiflu):
1. Frequent hand-washing (well highlighted in all official communications).
2. "Hands-off-the-face" approach. Resist all temptations to touch any part of face (except to eat or bathe).
3. *Gargle twice a day with warm salt water (use Listerine if you don't trust salt). *H1N1 takes 2-3 days after initial infection in the throat/ nasal cavity to proliferate and show characteristic symptoms. gargling prevents proliferation. In a way, gargling with salt water has the same effect on a healthy individual that Tamiflu has on an infected one. Don't underestimate this simple, inexpensive and powerful preventative method.
4. Similar to 3 above, *clean your nostrils at least once every day with warm salt water. *Not everybody may be good at using a Neti pot to clean nasal cavities, but *blowing the nose hard once a day and swabbing both nostrils with cotton buds dipped in warm salt water is very effective in bringing down viral population.*
5.. *Boost your natural immunity with foods that are rich in Vitamin C (Amla and other citrus fruits). *If you have to supplement with Vitamin C tablets, make sure that it also has Zinc to boost absorption.
6. *Drink as much of warm liquids (tea, coffee, etc) as you can. *Drinking warm liquids has the same effect as gargling, but in the reverse direction. They wash off proliferating viruses from the throat into the stomach where they cannot survive, proliferate or do any harm. | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 10/25/2009 8:08:25 AM | In regard to the zinc, I've heard that zinc lozenges coat the throat and provide a physical barrier on the coating of the throat that inhibits viruses from taking hold. Has anyone else heard of that? It's not easy to find zinc lozenges around here, but it sounds like a simple and logical preventative measure.
And, I'm all for finding more excuses for me to drink coffee! | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 10/25/2009 8:53:41 AM | ^^^^^^^^^!!!
I with ya NSL- down to Tim Hortons for an extra large!
Here's the best compilation I've seen on the flu vaccine- from the authorities- found in mediamatters.org.
Health experts say H1N1 vaccine is safe and important
CDC chief: "[W]e have cut no corners" in production of H1N1 vaccine. In an October 6 press conference, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention chief Thomas Frieden reportedly said, "With the production of this strain [of vaccine], we have cut no corners. ... This flu vaccine is made as flu vaccine is made each year, by the same companies, in the same production facilities, with the same procedures, with the same safety safeguards." Frieden added, "We have had hundreds of millions of people vaccinated against flu with flu vaccine made in this way. That enables us to have a high degree of confidence in the safety of the vaccine." [HealthDay, 10/6/09]
NIH vaccine clinical trial revealed no significant side effects. The Washington Post reported: "In addition to studies conducted by the vaccine manufacturers, the National Institutes of Health sponsored several clinical trials of the vaccine involving more than 4,600 people, including children and pregnant women. Although the tests were designed primarily to determine the vaccine's effectiveness and the right dose, no side effects were detected other than soreness and redness where the shot was given, a common side effect of the seasonal flu vaccines." [The Washington Post, 10/4/09]
WHO recommends everyone "who has a chance to get vaccinated does get vaccinated." Reuters reported that "The World Health Organization (WHO) restated its confidence in the H1N1 flu vaccine on Tuesday, calling it the most important tool against the pandemic. Mild adverse side effects such as muscle cramps or headache are to be expected in some cases, but everyone who has access to the vaccine should be inoculated, it said." Reuters further quoted WHO spokesman Gregory Hartl's statement that "t is important to remember that the vaccines, which have already been approved, have been used for years and years and years in their seasonal vaccine formulation and have been shown to be among the safest vaccines that exist" and that "[w]e would hope that everyone who has a chance to get vaccinated does get vaccinated." [Reuters, 10/6/09]
Andrew Pekosz of John Hopkins: "All the data ... indicate it is just as safe" as seasonal flu shot. Pekosz, associate professor of molecular microbiology and immunology at Johns Hopkins University's Bloomberg School of Public Health, told The Washington Post that "[a]ll the data from the ongoing clinical trials of the 2009 H1N1 vaccine indicate it is just as safe as the regular seasonal flu. This was expected, since the 2009 H1N1 vaccine is made in exactly the same way as the seasonal flu vaccine." [The Washington Post, 9/29/09]
HHS secretary: "This is definitely is a safe vaccine for people to get." Kathleen Sebelius stated of the H1N1 vaccine, "[T]he adverse effects are minimal. ...We know it's safe and secure. ... This is definitely is a safe vaccine for people to get," according to the Associated Press. [AP, 10/7/09]
John Bartlett: Vaccine is "1,000 times safer than getting the flu." USA Today quoted Bartlett, the director of the Center for Civilian Biodefense Strategies at the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, stating that the vaccine is "1,000 times safer than getting the flu." [USA Today, 10/1/09]
600 deaths, 9,000 hospitalizations in U.S. to date. According to HHS, which declared a public health emergency in response to the virus, "In the United States to date, more than 9,000 hospitalizations and nearly 600 deaths associated with 2009 H1N1 (Swine) flu viruses have been reported to CDC," and "The United States continues to report the largest number of H1N1 (Swine) flu cases of any country worldwide." [Pandemicflu.gov, Accessed 10/7/09] | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 10/25/2009 10:06:52 AM | From the CDC. A site tracking H1N1 incidence and deaths:
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/
What worries me of the data presented is the graph presenting pediatric deaths (you have to scroll down to see it; it's a bar graph with green and purple bars). You can see the elevation during the spring of deaths from flu compared with previous seasons. I'm not worried about me catching this flu, but it's the effect it's having on the kids. | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 10/25/2009 10:26:27 AM | Excuse me for back tracking here for a moment folks.
Does anyone have a link that shows where they confirmed
this is actually a flu , and NOT something created in a bio-lab .
not looking for arguements or comments
just an official link if you know of one. | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 10/25/2009 12:13:11 PM | Twister asked.."Excuse me for back tracking here for a moment folks.
Does anyone have a link that shows where they confirmed
this is actually a flu , and NOT something created in a bio-lab .
not looking for arguements or comments
just an official link if you know of one."
The CDC admits to having reconstructed the 1918 H1N1 swine flu in 2005, but they used the bestest biosafety (BSL-3) precautions and could never screw up...or to use one of their terms "highly unlikely" to screw up.
http://www.cdc.gov/FLU/ABOUT/QA/1918flupandemic.htm | |
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Posted: 10/25/2009 12:25:00 PM | There are few labs in North America (one is in Winnipeg) that deal with that level of biosafety. Just to give you an idea, it's labs like this that also have samples of influenza, small pox, bubonic plague and - everyone's favourite - ebola. Believe me, even this flu is a mere sniffle compared to ebola.
Needless to say, these guys take that kind of security very VERY seriously. They, after all, live near the lab and have friends and family. We're talking biosuits, chemical sterilization, UV sterilization, positive pressure going into the lab, air locks...the usual stuff.
I'm guessing Twister is looking for "proof" that "they" are trying to do nasty stuff to us poor, hapless, misinformed fools who don't know what's "really going on."
Edit:
Oh, and Wiyan, your tribute to the brave boys "over there" was touching but did nothing to actually answer the question about your qualifications to dispense medical advice. | |
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Posted: 10/25/2009 12:30:03 PM | Here you go Twister
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/05/15/2572085.htm
I just got back from running around town. At a drugstore, there was a lady with two young girls. Both the girls were wearing surgical masks.
It's official- hysteria has broken out.
Speaking of hysterical in the funny sense, you would believe all the sites I had to wade through with the Illuminati, Don Cheney, the New World order, the Rothschilds, George Bush , the Queen of England, CIA and FBI being involved. YouTube is having a field day right now. | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 10/25/2009 3:32:27 PM | Earthpuppy and Truetemp
Thank you both for the links .
"off site , alternate care facilities "
I still think this is a catchy line..
just need the right theme music for the commertials
then the buses should start rolling in before christmas.
where was it the jews thought they were being lead to again ?
just line up for the shower and off we go...
"off site , alternate care facilities "
its ok kids..we will meet ya there !
dont forgett...bring your letter as stargazer suggests
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 10/25/2009 6:05:24 PM |
Don Cheney...any relation to Dyck Or was that Don Cherry? I KNEW IT!! I knew those big collars were hiding something!
Oops! I guess I'll have to fire my editor. Maybe I was thinking of Lon Chaney? It was D$ck I believe. But I'm sure Cherry has an opinion on it.
Another ringing endorsement- Looks like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck are anti vaccine too. Oh MY.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2009/10/the-folks-who-publicly-said-they-would-rather-see-the-us-go-down-the-toilet-in-the-current-recession-rather-than-see-a-demo.html
Also see what this website has to say about it. Read it right to the bottom.
http://blog.environmentalchemistry.com/2009/10/glen-beck-h1n1-vaccine-ethyle-mercury.html | |
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| New Swine Flu vaccine is dangerous business
Posted: 10/26/2009 3:46:25 PM | | Assistant surgeon general Ann Suchat MD has said on tv that government will not forcibly vaccinate anyone. She also rather circuitously said that a Thimerosal free version of the vaccine is available, and that the vaccine DOES NOT contain Squalene. While I would like to believe all of her reassurances about H1N1 vaccines, I think it would be very wise for anyone who DOES get it to RECORD the lot number and keep this info in case they DO have side effects that they weren't expecting, especially after such bold safety assurances from the US goverment. Interestingly enough, according to Dr Suchat, there are no adjuvants in H1N1 vaccine. I find that point quite hard to believe | |
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