| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/28/2009 11:15:39 AM | You cant progress as a modern society without them.
Before the wasps controlled everyrything and got the best of everything. (still do to an extent)
Minorities were exploited.
You need balance.
cheers
F.P. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/28/2009 11:17:19 AM | The average American is so lacking in knowledge of their OWN history that their being "anti-socialist" is hardly surprise.
I'm surprised more aren't "anti-democracy"...
That is...if they even know what the word means.... | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/28/2009 11:18:36 AM | You cant progress as a modern society without them.
Before the wasps controlled everyrything and got the best of everything. (still do to an extent)
Minorities were exploited.
You need balance.
cheers
F.P.
and we are currently OVER-balanced. I agree that balance is key, but the media has gone out of its way to make sure that will not be achieved.
The average American is so lacking in knowledge of their OWN history that their being "anti-socialist" is hardly surprise.
I'm surprised more aren't "anti-democracy"...
That is...if they even know what the word means....
I am anti-democracy. So is my constitution. You won't find that word anywhere in it. America is not a democracy.
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Huge +1 to the below. Summed it up better than I have been. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/28/2009 11:26:01 AM |
Talking anout a mixed amrket system, like every western nation.
We are a mixed market system. It's where we fall on the mixed market scale that is the issue.... Government and social programs are not the problem.... TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT & SOCIAL PROGRAMS with stifle the FREE MARKET.
One day you realize there is no more free market, no more competition, no more dream.... just an existence in a Social environment. That will have a complete monopoly of your life choices.
People who are opposing Socialism are not crying out for Anarchy.... We just want the balance that works.... and the Government has grown out of control.... and doesn't look to slow down. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/29/2009 5:27:22 PM |
is it that hard to get? unwrap yourselves form your flags ffs.
You may hope your sarcasm and vulgar abbreviations will hide your anti-American bias and your complete ignorance of the U.S. Constitution--but they do not. If Americans should ever want advice from communists in other countries, they can ask for it. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/29/2009 11:56:36 PM | The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.
Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving.
CBS, NBC , PBS, CNN, and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food. America is stunned by the sharp contrast.
How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?
Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper, and everybody cries when they sing, 'It's Not Easy Being Green.'
Jesse Jackson stages a demonstration in front of the ant 's house where the news stations film the group singing, 'We shall overcome.' Jesse then has the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper's sake.
Nancy Pelosi & John Kerry exclaim in an interview with Larry King that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.
Finally, the EEOC drafts the Economic Equity & Anti-Grasshopper Act retroactive to the beginning of the summer.
The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government.
The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government house he is in, which just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around him because he doesn't maintain it.
The ant has disappeared in the snow.
The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the once peaceful neighborhood. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/30/2009 12:12:04 AM | An economics teacher made a statement that he had never failed a single
student before, but had once failed an entire class.
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That class had insisted that President Obama's socialism worked and that no
one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.
The teacher then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on
Obama's plan".
All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so
no one would fail and no one would receive an A.
After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The
students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little
were happy.
As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had
studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free
ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.
The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all
resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone
else.
All failed, to their great surprise, and the teacher told them that
socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the
effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away,
no one will try or want to succeed.
Could not be any simpler than that.
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"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of
misery." --Winston Churchill | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/30/2009 12:36:39 AM |
An economics teacher made a statement that he had never failed a single
student before, but had once failed an entire class.
Posting email forwards with no substantiated truth dims my view of your intellect. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/30/2009 1:07:29 AM | The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.
Once in a while you will stumble upon the truth but most of us manage to pick ourselves up and hurry along as if nothing had happened.
You can always count on Americans to do the right thing—after they’ve tried everything else.
All of the above are Churchill quotes... | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/30/2009 2:36:12 AM | is it that hard to get? unwrap yourselves form your flags ffs.
You may hope your sarcasm and vulgar abbreviations will hide your anti-American bias and your complete ignorance of the U.S. Constitution--but they do not. If Americans should ever want advice from communists in other countries, they can ask for it.
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Ah yes typical sleazy lawyer tactics and assumptions.
Question isnt the constitution or out and out communism.
But you know that, just hide behind constitution speak. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/30/2009 3:12:27 AM |
One day you realize there is no more free market, no more competition, no more dream.... just an existence in a Social environment. That will have a complete monopoly of your life choices.
No more free market ?
There hasn't been any free market in at least 100 years, if there ever was one.
No more competition ?
Competition is strictly for the little guys. Does it look like there's any competition between the Oil Companies, or any of the major corporations in the world ? Does Bill Gates look like a champion of the free market ? The last thing the corporations want is competition and they will stamp it out wherever it tries to come about.
The only time there's ever any competition is when government enforces anti-trust laws and demands competition.
There is no Free Market, and the only time anything close to a free market exists is when government forces it upon business.
We just want the balance that works.... and the Government has grown out of control.... and doesn't look to slow down.
Government is not out of control.
It's being controlled perfectly well, by those who profit from it. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/30/2009 4:05:28 AM |
What in heaven's name, is your problem? Why isnt a collective of people governing better than giving all the power to corporations and to individual enterprise (ie. market domination)? Why is that word, socialism, so profane to Americans?
As with everything political in the USA, when it comes down to the hard facts regardless of which president or political party is in power, it’s always all smoke and mirrors in the USA.
Scrutiny of annual US Gov’t Budgets reveals the largest social spending programmes that trounce all other Western Nations every time.
From the highest peaks of piousness the USA screams foul of all things “Socialism”, in tandem with squawking the great benefits of “Capitalism”, whilst all along financing and practising the largest public spending social programmes of any Western Nation on the planet.
It’s all smoke and mirrors!   | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/30/2009 9:23:51 AM |
Yeah, they have to make those viral emails simple.
Otherwise the intended audience wouldn't understand them.
But here's a "simple" question - Can you authenticate your heartwarming story?
(Hint: The answer is - No)
I wonder who wrote this?
This is 15 years old..... Snopes
How did they Know OBAMA would be President?????????????
This crap comes out ............suddenly it appears in a 100 thousand wed sites............
Amazing...........
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/30/2009 12:55:23 PM | Wow are you that offended by a couple joke emails? Must have hit a nerve? 
This arrogant right wing extremist American will go back to driving my gas hog truck, smoking and playing with my guns, oh and I may even see about investing in some oil drilling in Canada, maybe we can spill a barrel or two. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/30/2009 10:12:59 PM |
Wow are you that offended by a couple joke emails?
Offended? Na....pathetic is the word I'd use to describe them...and the people who actually believe them to be truth...g-d knows how many times it's been sent to me by serious people who also send that "In this country we speak ENGLISH..." diatribe.
Kool Aid drinkers I call 'em.
After posting several times in this thread and clearly attempting to discuss the thread in a serious manner, you post the above...without any indication that you meant it as a "joke". Based on experience, I'd say you actually meant it and believed it. Hence the reaction.
Then again, perhaps you were attempting to provoke others for provoking's sake. (which is usually a sign of an inferiority complex).
Fort Mac is always looking for people...com'on up! | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/30/2009 10:16:30 PM |
joke emails?
Well, they are considered forum spam here and possibly trolling depending on context.
They certainly aren't considered contributive posts, just sayin'... | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/31/2009 7:09:26 AM | .
A"Joke " pops up ....
Mr. Google has page after page of Blogs containing the.... Message... fact or QUOTE..........
I understand how the Net has become a great source of Misinformation..
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“These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people”
Abe Lincoln
Jan 11 1837
The Capitalist rewards only those whose skills and talents happen to be marketable. All humans are perishable commodities. The money maker is the ultimate role model............ Greed... | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 9/1/2009 12:55:04 PM |
Is our system perfect? No. Do people have to wait for treatment sometimes, yes, usually because it isnt life threatening and our system is geared towards those that need it the worst are seen first. Is that perfect? No, but it is nice to know that generally if you need critical treatment or surgeries you will get it when you need it. LOL! I'm printing this quote and sending it to my daughter, my Dad, and my DOCTORS LOL!!!!!
They've been nagging me for years to get several moles removed. In fact....probably no less that 6 nurses were nagging me to get one on my back removed IMMEDIATELY, when I'd had back surgery. LOL! It hasn't been real high on my list of priorities....although my family KEEPS on nagging me about it. I think it's great.....if we get a National Health Care program...then I can keep putting it off until it IS for a FACT cancerous and tell my family to nag Obama and get off MY butt 'cause I can't see a doctor about the moles until they ARE for a fact cancerous! LOL! I love it! | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 9/1/2009 1:14:54 PM |
LOL! I'm printing this quote and sending it to my daughter, my Dad, and my DOCTORS LOL!!!!!
They've been nagging me for years to get several moles removed. In fact....probably no less that 6 nurses were nagging me to get one on my back removed IMMEDIATELY, when I'd had back surgery. LOL! It hasn't been real high on my list of priorities....although my family KEEPS on nagging me about it. I think it's great.....if we get a National Health Care program...then I can keep putting it off until it IS for a FACT cancerous and tell my family to nag Obama and get off MY butt 'cause I can't see a doctor about the moles until they ARE for a fact cancerous! LOL! I love it!
My cousin just had a mole removed at the hospital yesterday. She discovered last Monday that part of it had changed colour, was at the doc later that afternoon and was sent to a specialist on Friday morning. Total time, 2 weeks. Where the hell are you people getting the idea that people under UHC plans aren't "allowed" to visit doctors?
Gotta love it when people twist other people's words. Hope your insurance company doesn't consider it a pre-existing condition and dump your ass when the bills come due... I guess you're just going to have to keep your fingers crossed ...
Or something.....
EDIT: And just how many mole-related emergencies do you think there are going to be to keep you from getting treated before they become cancerous?!??!
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 9/1/2009 7:44:27 PM | LOL! Will the put a limit on our sense of humor when we become socialists??? (quite obviously)
Gotta love it when people twist other people's words. Looking into a mirror are ya? LOL! I cut and pasted the quote....VERBATIM.
My cousin just had a mole removed at the hospital yesterday. She discovered last Monday that part of it had changed colour, was at the doc later that afternoon and was sent to a specialist on Friday morning. Total time, 2 weeks. Where the hell are you people getting the idea that people under UHC plans aren't "allowed" to visit doctors?
Once again, I guess under "UHC" (whatever that is)...the first thing that's surgically removed is ones sense of humor. I guess I "got the idea" from someone who is under a UHC plan who stated as much in Post # 84.
Hope your insurance company doesn't consider it a pre-existing condition and dump your ass when the bills come due... I guess you're just going to have to keep your fingers crossed ... My PRIMARY health care plan is Medicare (social program), which I already know does not cover the procedure. LOL! NOT to worry however....as my PRIVATE insurance with Anthem Blue Cross DOES PAY all the things not covered by Medicare.
EDIT: And just how many mole-related emergencies do you think there are going to be to keep you from getting treated before they become cancerous?!??! Gosh...that's a tough question! I thought we all died just once????
For all who haven't had their sense of humor removed (an broomsticks inserted you know where); It's pretty obvious that we're looking at yet another scenario where the "threat" isn't reason enough to take action....ie...call us after you've been shot...if you don't bleed to death on the way to the phone.
Sadly however.....it's coming! Can't say we couldn't see it; any fool should have realized that decades ago. We've been "sue happy" and personally irresponsible for years and years. We've spent a good portion of my lifetime expecting everyone else to assume responsibility for our choices. From sueing electronics companies for crediting us with enough intelligence NOT to try to use our hairdryers in the shower, to knowing that general anesthesia is dangerous...ie, that even in a very "safe" surgery (less than .001% chance of death) that you have a .06% chance of suffering brain damage from the drugs. We sign release forms stating that we are aware of the risks...but then sue when the unlikely becomes reality. Some fast talking lawyer convinces some fool judge that sure, you signed the release...but the doctors didn't have your IQ tested and a psychological profile done on you beforehand...and he/she SHOULD have known that you were a moron! Indeed, WE have asked for it....and we're going to get it.
Like the man said in Post # 232
All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so
no one would fail and no one would receive an A.
After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The
students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little
were happy.
As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had
studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free
ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.
The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all
resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone
else.
All failed, to their great surprise, and the teacher told them that
socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the
effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away,
no one will try or want to succeed.
As I see it, any socialist program can only serve to BENEFIT....ME. LOL! I'm retired (don't have to study crap anymore....I'm going to ride on off into the sunset on someone elses sweat) Nope, I don't feel a bit guilty....as I paid outrageous taxes for 35 years supporting other people's parents and children...now it's THEIR turn to support me. The fact that us Baby Boomers are going break the backs of the next 3 generations of workers is irrelevant. They're mostly pro-socialist....so who am I to tell them they shouldn't have to support me. The fact that my retirement income is 1/2 again what their income is working full time is also irrelevant! It doesn't matter that my house is paid for and that I have money in the bank....they look ONLY at monthly income...which is TAXABLE. LOL! NONE of mine IS. (Thank you socialists!!!!) The last full year that I worked, I paid over $19,000.00 in TAXES. I'm not sure who I was supporting with that; but I am sure that our "social programs" scream they're going broke...even with all us Baby Boomers paying those kinds of tax dollars....and what do I care that Social Security will be flat broke by 2037....I'll be DEAD! LOL! (probably from those moles I keep dragging my feet about getting removed)
Back in 1950, as the baby boom was just getting started, each retiree's benefit was divided among 16 workers. Taxes could be kept low. Today, that number has dropped to 3.3 workers per retiree, and by 2025, it will reach--and remain at--about two workers per retiree. Each married couple will have to pay, in addition to their own family's expenses, Social Security retirement benefits for one retiree. In order to pay promised benefits, either taxes of some kind must rise or other government services must be cut. LOL! Now...I personally NEED the socialists to stay in control until I'm dead because I don't want to have to dip into any of my private pension money for dumb stuff like....buying groceries or paying my electric bill.
No, indeed....when I was working and paying taxes....I HATED socialism.....now that I'm no longer producing anything, not stimulating the economy because my home is paid for; I'm not buying gas to get back and forth to work, not buying meals out everyday, not buying work clothes, not paying a day care...heck, my property taxes are even reduced by 40% so I'm spending less to support public education etc, etc...... I LOVE SOCIALISM!!! LOL! All I needed to do to learn to appreciate it....was stop working for a living! | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 9/1/2009 9:48:47 PM | My dad told me the university professor/whole class failed story back in the 70's as an example of why communism doesn't work. Just sayin'
Although it does raise the reoccurring question to my mind... Why do people confuse communism with socialism? | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 9/1/2009 10:24:27 PM | Although it does raise the reoccurring question to my mind... Why do people confuse communism with socialism? Because they BOTH subscribe to Marxist Social Theory. Many do not realize that "political parties" are nothing more than the regime which controls "fiscal policy".
"Captialism" is driven by the individuals desire to achieve, excel and prosper. "Socialism" is driven by a "collective need" which is then financed by those with the drive to achieve, excel and prosper, and is dependent on the "good will" of those few who do achieve, excel, but they no longer prosper. "Communism" is driven by the "collective need" of the many, but is sternly enforced by a militia when there is not sufficient "good will" of the few to provide for the many. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 9/2/2009 12:48:20 AM | I personally do not believe that Americans are anti socialist at all, in fact they are probably one of the most socialist countries on the planet. They do however have an inexplicable fear of the word socialism just like they once had an inexplicable fear of the word communism.
Everything that a socialist aspires too having, America has, and has in abundance. They are the most socialist country on earth although I am sure many would baulk at the very notion.
My advice to you would be to just call it something else if it bothers you so much, call it compassionism, then you might understand better. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 9/2/2009 7:00:16 AM |
LOL! I'm printing this quote and sending it to my daughter, my Dad, and my DOCTORS LOL!!!!!
They've been nagging me for years to get several moles removed. In fact....probably no less that 6 nurses were nagging me to get one on my back removed IMMEDIATELY, when I'd had back surgery. LOL! It hasn't been real high on my list of priorities....although my family KEEPS on nagging me about it. I think it's great.....if we get a National Health Care program...then I can keep putting it off until it IS for a FACT cancerous and tell my family to nag Obama and get off MY butt 'cause I can't see a doctor about the moles until they ARE for a fact cancerous! LOL! I love it!
Really? That is what you took from my post? The fact that someone MAY have an elective surgery cancelled and re scheduled because someone with a life threatening condition will get preferential treatment somehow equates to "you have to be dying to get treatment"? Nice leap there!!! | |
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