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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/26/2009 9:33:39 AM | Not according to Alexander Hamilton, who held that this power allows the Federal Government to spend money for the benefit of the general welfare of the nation, examples such as agriculture and education, provided that they are uniform throughout the nation.
Alexander Hamilton and John Adams were part of a minority group who wanted to establish an American Monarchy. So, the idea of government taking care of everyone fit thier ideal government. But they were a minority. We do not have a Monarchy! John Adams even went so far as to make dissent against the law. Something I am surprised the Obamanation has not picked up on.
Clearly the majority of our founding fathers wanted limited government. Not this nanny state we are suffocated by today.
Under socialism a person cannot truley be free. You are not free to be productive. You will be punished by mindless taxes. Under socialism you allow the government to make descisions for you. Because cost effectivness will always be the government's objective.
Only the free market offers true freedom. You cannot compare the US to Canada or Europe. That is comparing apples to lemons. And there are no other apples to compare us to.
But if Canada and Europe is so great, why are you here. Jump on a plane and go to your promised land. No one is stopping you. Leave the US to us who truley believe in freedom. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/26/2009 11:04:44 AM | Under socialism a person cannot truley be free. You are not free to be productive. You will be punished by mindless taxes. Under socialism you allow the government to make descisions for you. Because cost effectivness will always be the government's objective.
Only the free market offers true freedom. You cannot compare the US to Canada or Europe. That is comparing apples to lemons. And there are no other apples to compare us to.
But if Canada and Europe is so great, why are you here. Jump on a plane and go to your promised land. No one is stopping you. Leave the US to us who truley believe in freedom.
A citizen of the US is no more free than someone living in Canada.
Both of those citizens do not have freedoms they have privileges and if either government wants to take them away they can and will.
No one can ever truly be free because we are either bound by the laws of government or nature.
The irony of your statement is you are using a free web service created and maintained by a Canadian to tell other how great the US is compared to Canada. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/26/2009 11:42:58 AM | ^^ I agree with that; some Americans tend to overdo it with the "land of the free" thing, as though everyone, even our own next-door neighbours to the north, as well as western Europe, etc, are living under some sort of despotic regimes. It is part of American ethnocentrism (although that's not really the right word perhaps because 'American' is not truly an ethnicity), so let's say it's part of American nationalism that this occurs. A sort of jingoism we are given here from grade school onward.
They don't literally SAY to us that these other countries, let's call them for lack of a better word other 'Western' countries (which, upon doing any research, one can easily learn are actually well-to-do and 'free' countries just like the United States) are LESS 'free' than us, but it's always kind of implied to us in a sense. That we have something here, which they never really define to you (probably couldn't define really), that Canada, western Europe, Australia, etc, simply do not have. Even though those are all 'free' and relatively well-off countries in their own right, and in some cases some countries are even doing better economically and report higher standards of living, personal happiness, etc, than the US (Scandinavian countries for example).
It's like the whole "shining city on the hill" kind of thinking. Today it may be a flat-broke and militarily overextended city on the hill, but....that way of thinking persists nonetheless, and it's deeply rooted in the consciousness of many Americans. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/26/2009 12:05:25 PM | sigh...Firstly the OP is mistaken. Canada is NOT a socialist country. The old soviet union was a socialist nation. Canada is a progressive capitalistic country. The government does not control our financial output, they do not force egalitarian compensation.
However, Canada does tax the wealthy more, they tax corporations more than the US. So, there is a distribution of wealth that is more prevalent than the US, but Canada is more in the middle of the Socialist/Capitalist economic model, while the US is much futher towards the Capitalist side.
Secondly many Americans support health care reform. Actually most do. The health care system in the US is one of the least efficient in the world and many people learn of how bad the system becomes once they require catastrophic assistance.
However, what Americans are divided over is how it is administered. I, like many Americans don't want the US government involved in this program and definitely don't want a single payer system. Some do. Some believe government should have a bigger role in their lives. I am not one of them.....AND I AM A CANADIAN CITIZEN.
I think the Canadian system is even more flawed, not the for the government, but for the users. I was all in favor when Harper was looking into a two tier system, as a lesser of two evils. But it seems like Canadians all want their Douglasian NDP style health care, so who am I to complain...I just moved to the states (well for other reasons too!) | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/26/2009 12:31:19 PM | Since when does a monarchy equal taking care of everyone?
More to do with tradition and title.
The Just as free as America countries that still have them, are by the by just as free.
The monarchies are good for tourism.
American can be compared to Canada, aus and Western Europe. all are mixed market economies. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/26/2009 12:48:49 PM | Nicely said Dino...in fact a SSN or SIN are Employment Identification Numbers..for taxation and such as you stated..but you missed one thing..its based on Admiralty Law the law of the sea, the US, Britian, Canada, Australia, N. Zeland and most of the British commonwealth.. along with other Anglo-Saxon countries actually are legally based on Common Law the law of the land. The Bill of Rights and in Canada the Charter of Rights are based on Anglo Saxon Commonlaw...freedoms are undesputed...once you sign up for a SSN or SIN you become a working agent for the Government thus a pension and all the perks that go with it...including Income taxes...In 1895 the Supreme Court of the US stated that Income taxes are illegal because there is no profit in wages...its a fair exchange. Thus no Commerce is done. But once you sign up for the SS or SIN you become an working agent for the government. Therefore your rights turn into benefit Previldges and are desputable. Rights are Undesputed...One think tho...in Canada we have the right, under our constitution to create a "Claim of Rights and Intent"...and what that means is that the Soverign born Freewill Man/Woman can use there SIN as an agent for commerce...therefore paying the agent a sum of $3,500 a yr for the service...that means no income taxes seeing that there is no commerce...and not subject to Statue laws or Acts....the freewill Adult Man/woman then has the right to keep there money...and 30,000 Canadians are doing this at this time....In the US you have the right to create a UCC-1 document that allows you the soverign to maintain all your property, even under bankruptcy...you see the Fiction or Strawman...the capitalized name is a Corporate Identity or a Fiction not a human being. Its a name game...
DetaxCanada.com....give it a read...good info for Americans there too...after all your Law is CommonLaw also. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/26/2009 2:26:28 PM | milesformKansas...you don't know what your talking about.
---Allow me to enlighten you, my darling product of a leftist educational experiment.---
That is one dumb statement.
---the downside of which is that you wouldn't have a competent health care system just to the south to flee to when you *really* needed to treat that tumor.---
My ex just got diagnosed with Cancer...within a wk she was getting Radiation treatments..maybe thats why so many Americans try to get into Canada because they CAN'T GET TREATMENT...you watch too much TV.
---Being a Commonwealth territory, Canada jumped on the bandwagon shortly thereafter.---
---The Canadian and continental experiment with socialized medicine arose immediately after WWII, when European national economies were shattered by war and debt.---
Not so Milesformnowhere...it was introduced in Saskatchewan first...when the nation saw that it worked it became national...Europe had nothing to do with it....poverty did. The dirty 30s happened here also. Tommy Douglas under a the CCF created the health care act....there has never been a Socialistic Government established thru elections on the Federal level...there have been ones on Provincial levels...and when the Povincial CCF or NDP governments were in place...the feds seen what benefits they created and established them on a national level. And of course took the credit.
--As promulgated by the Labor/Socialists in power, only centralized planning could rebuild the health care systems of Britain and France.--
Not so...they realized that they could create more economy by supporting a national health care system...why spend money on killing people when they could spend money on saving lives...they just ended a major war and millions of civilians were in need of care...after all the USA Britian and Canada bombed there industry, they had nothing to start over with...USA and Canada benefited by retooling Europe and Japan, thats where most of the wealth of the US and Canada came after the war. Now they are taking over economically. What did you say. Labour Socialist powers...sounds like capitalism to me.
---As a current Tory MP pointed out recently, the third largest employer in the world is the British National Health Service, with about 1.4 million employees.---
Do they have jobs...are they paying taxes...are they not supporting the system...same with garbage men.
---I believe that competition for my business, whether it be for pharmaceuticals, physicians or physical therapy, maintains the highest standards of medical care in the world, and, despite the absurd malpractice jury awards, is also the most cost-effective.---
Is that why the US government bans Canadian Pharmacudicals..because there expensive. and as far as the highest standard of medical care...I don't think so...in capitalism the less you stay in the hospital...the less it cost your insurance companies...you know...capitalism. Cost effective you say...I don't think so. American health care ranks well below and I mean below UHC countries. Do a little research on the WHO and get the gyst. You watch to much TV.
--I hope you will pause to consider this, my love.(What an arrogant ass) You have been inculcated by your teachers and peers to believe that what you have is the best that can be had, given the circumstances.(Are you talking to me or yourself) Your health care system is a relic from the past. (Yea we still bleed people to cure them..do you actually know what your talking about) It is inefficient and ineffective, compared to the U.S. model, which is based on that nasty word 'capitalism'. After all, how many Americans go to Canada for that surgery or treatment, compared to the other way around?--
Is that why Regan went to Germany to cure his prostrate Cancer...European medicine leaves American medicine well behind...way back..
Before we put our pictures on our health card, you could purchase a Canadian health card on the black market in the states for a few grand...this had to be done because the Capitalist in the states couldn't afford there health care system at all, so thousands and thousands of Americans crossed the border to get free health care...this drained our system...no different than the Mexicans are doing to you people...to solve this drain on the economy..we simply printed our pretty little pictures on the cards...unfortunately those Americans who needed health care can no longer blackmarket the cards...they got a special stripe on the back...you know...I lived on a border town...and for yrs we would sell our health cards to the highest bidder from the US...thats a fact...all I had to do was get a new card...it was quite a profit stimulator...I once bought a car with the money on one card..buddy you got no clue what your talking about...I needed a car the guy needed an operation. Simple as that.
--A government - the US federal government - cannot be a competitor to private enterprise, when it alone as the ability to regulate (and effectively destroy) that private enterprise, when "competition" is unfavorable to its goals.--
The government...is the people...it says that on your constitution..you know...We the People...when competition becomes a monopoly or to a point of despotism where few control the reins...weres the competitions...who is the government suppose to look after..the CEOs. For some reason...your reasoning represents that the Government is some sort of seperate entity from the people who vote those boneheads in...unfortunately...there rich with lots of dough invested in the Pharmacudical trade, Military trade, energy trade etc etc etc...thats the problem. That in itself is the true debate...privitazed health care could be a great thing...but insurance companies are not in business to put money out...they want profit for the investors and the people who run the organizations...same with car insurance..you never get what you pay for...never.
milefromkansas..you don't know nothing about the Canadian health care system...nothing..except what YOU have been told..from who I do not know...Canadian research is second to none...and thats in the world...we may be tied...but we are not lagging behind no one...we have some of the most modern hospitals and staff...compared to anywere...Sick Childrens hospital is world renown..and in Toronto, the Jarvnik Cancer Clinc part of MacMaster University in Hamilton Ont world renoun, University of Calgary medical science labs are world renoun...right now there is a group of Physicist, permanent gathering in the University of Guelph Ont. with the worlds leading Psyshicist trying to crack the code of the one theory that binds all science..world renoun. Montreal, Vancouver etc etc etc...top of the field in organ transplants...there is so much good news in our health care system that UHC created....without.....PROFIT....but for the sake of humanity. You based your opinion on the doctors who left Canada for the Big Bucks in the US...that doesn't mean you get good health care...that means you pay more. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/26/2009 2:48:23 PM | ^^^^
I deal with the medical system quite a bit and have to agree with the gist jist of what Pappy said.
While the Canadian medical system has it's problems, it still provides top rate service to everyone.
It is an industry that appears to be perpetually in crisis both in Canada and in the United States. Let's face it the baby boomers were a big generation and they are getting older now. It is understandable that the system is stressed.
I feel that universal health care provides a basic level of stability for a society. In short it empowers the individual to easily satisfy their most basic of needs. This in turn, I believe gives a society a certain level of tranquility as fewer of it's members are simply stuggling to survive. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/26/2009 3:59:26 PM | UHC is one thing...what bothers me the most about socialism is welfare...you know where the masses dole out money to the welfare bums..you know who..the corporate welfare bums...the Banks..Auto Industry...insurance industry...the White Collar Welfare Bums. And they took Trillions...now thats true capitalism. And they been doing it for yrs. And these guys are very R.i.c.h...they blackmail the government or threaten to lay people off... I think its got to the point that people don't even know what it means to be in a true Capitalistic society anymore...and the reason is that...the Rick pricks are robbing us blind. Where is the competition anymore...oil companies vary between 1/10 of a cent on a gallon of gas...is that competition...its despotism..how about Pharmacudical Drugs...the Flu shot...the swine flu is a con job world wide. I can't believe American news anymore...the Left hates the Right...the Right hates the Left...and the media stirs it up...to the right they think a person who is left wing is a commie and the left see people on the right as Nazis....and the media once again stirs the pot of shit...when you do that...it smells worst than before. You guys have been pissing on the Canadian health system and don't even know what your talking about...so I am going to talk about the issues of Left and Right in the states...why the hell are you people seperating yourselves to this degree...we got left and Right and Socalist in Canada...3 parties...so if your pissed at one...there gone...but there is that little party..the NDP that seem to tell the truth all the time...you ain't got something like that. By the way...I'm a Libertarian...we got them in Canada too...its called the Canadian Action Party and its gaining momentum. the Green Party...there a joke...there only issue is the enviroment...thats easily used by the corporation..you know the Carbon Tax...tax the air you breathe..what else can they tax..taxation...upon taxation and the left does it and so does the right...only the Right give the rich a break and piss on the middle class...the trickle down effect is not capitalism..thats what the royality did in the past...so your economy is not based on Capitalism at all...but Totalitarian Capitalism controled by the royalty of the US. Capitalism is from the ground up not the top down...thats the Piss on you Economy. When the people of any country...owns the resources of that country...which you do...how can you have..Privatization...thats not capitalism...thats greed...why not just give them your children too.
The people who wrote the US constitution...to the British at the time were Renegades....
America is already socialistic and have socalism in the books...there called Statue Acts enforced As Law...there not law...there acts and acts need consent. There are no freedoms under Admiarlty Law which you live by...your courts are British Commerce Courts because you borrow your money from the Monarchy of England, the Bank of England and the Vatican...the IMF the only bank in the world...no different that any of the western nations...they tried to take your guns off of you during the Clinton Yrs...there scared of Americans...I don't care who they are but if any country ever tried to invade the US...even China...they would be outgunned 3-1...I respect that. As a Libertarian your constitution and My constitution is the ****ing law..end of story...our governments are corporation responsible to the Central Banking system....they have been sinking us into a false socialistic egnima...but in the end its all about slavery of the masses.
One of the basic concepts of the Communist Manifesto is a Central Banking System...the Federal Reserve and little do many know that Canada is in the 13th district of the US Federal Reserve...that the Corporation of Canada and the Corporation of the US are legal corporations under the US Treasury...I thought at one time we were countries...so ladies and gentlemen it matters not were your from or what country you live in...they are taking your soverign rights away...and RIGHTS ARE UNDESPUTED. We've had socialism for yrs...its called charity. But for some reason the Star Chamber doesn't want you to truly understand that we are the power.
There is one way to beat it...Resign from the Corporations of Canada and the US...give up your SS OR SIN number, your not a Roman Citizen, your a soverign born Freeman on the Land....your not an agent of the corporation. Being a Citizen is a misconception, it only means that your part of there club.
Your a soverign born freewill Man/Woman created by G-d, as it states in Section 1 of the Canadian Constitution...that means you answer only to G-d...even the athiest...its not about religion is represents that no one has authority over you...not even your Representative Governments. Thats what real freedom is...CommonLaw...the Do Unto others. In the US a Republic means that you are Self Governing..and no one has authority over you...we just use different words but its all Common Law.
ThinkFree.ca
DetaxCanada.ca
So lets not waste our time about socialism...its normal for people to be there brothers keeper...we have been doing it since the beginning of time...Socalism is a word to scare you. Socalism is not Communism...Communism is Communaliztion, with a central banking system...socialism is something like We the People, For the People, By the People...Society of the People. Socalism is a word that is so sickly played out to condition you to accept the dictates of those in the Star Chamber above the law.
Think Free...Be Free... | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/26/2009 5:17:03 PM |
....high levels of intervention....
...not necessarily for the patients comfort nor their well being....
...herding humans like cattle?
How low will we go?
In reference to my post on APGAR/interventions, etc...
You must take into account that the women are as much to blame as the Dr's. They have scheduals, they are working, they want to go on vacation, etc. The C-section is very convenient. Also, just try REFUSING a woman her spinal/epidural in America. She would go batshit crazy on you. Here in America we have turned child-birth into some molly-coddled thing that elevates women to the status of godhood almost. In other countries--where infant mortality is lower--women go in, have the baby, and hit the field that afternoon working. There is no 72 hour PP stay, there is no epidural, there is none of that.
Now I am not in favor of that behavior, all I am saying is we are a pampered society and our babies are paying the price. It is our mentality as a people causing these problems, not necessarily deficient medical-care. I hypothesize that if LESS medical interventions were available, infant mortality *could* go down like we see in other nations with less. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/26/2009 6:15:17 PM |
Also, just try REFUSING a woman her spinal/epidural in America. She would go batshit crazy on you.
Really.
Interesting.
Generalizations do nothing to strengthen a point. In fact, they do much to undermine any credibility one might have garnered up to that time when a generalization is tossed into a discussion.
Signed:
A Woman Who Was Refused An Epidural and Did Not Go Batshit Crazy on Anyone | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/26/2009 6:34:57 PM |
women go in, have the baby, and hit the field that afternoon working
Could you list a few of these Modern countries?
I am have a little trouble finding countries that are as backward as the USA in the maternity leave department.............
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/26/2009 6:48:47 PM | | You are still trying to draw a correlation between low APGARS, medical interventions (via epidurals or c-sections) and infant mortality. I am still asking you to site the study. Please give me the medical evidence or admit this is just something you are making up, your opinion as a nursing student. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/26/2009 8:13:00 PM | You are still trying to draw a correlation between low APGARS, medical interventions (via epidurals or c-sections) and infant mortality. I am still asking you to site the study. Please give me the medical evidence or admit this is just something you are making up, your opinion as a nursing student.
Aside from it being taught by our instructors, here is a study, others of course can be found without much trouble.:
Here is your higher mortality rate for C-section babies: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/60508/higher_infant_death_rates_accompany_pg2_pg2.html?cat=52
and here is your low apgar for epidurals:
http://www.sarahjbuckley.com/articles/epidural-risks.htm | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/26/2009 9:37:44 PM | Your citation for low APGAR for epidurals is Sarah Jane Buckley's website for goodness sake. Let's stick to reputable peer reviewed journals.
Authors' conclusions
Epidural analgesia appears to be effective in reducing pain during labour. However, women who use this form of pain relief are at increased risk of having an instrumental delivery. Epidural analgesia had no statistically significant impact on the risk of caesarean section, maternal satisfaction with pain relief and long-term backache and did not appear to have an immediate effect on neonatal status as determined by Apgar scores -Anim-Somuah M, Smyth RMD, Howell CJ. Epidural versus non-epidural or no analgesia in labour. Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews 2005, Issue 3. Art. No.: CD000331. DOI: 10.1002/14651858.CD000331.pub2
Now on to the claim of higher mortality for c sections babies - there is a difference you are right - Infant and neonatal mortality rate among babies delivered via voluntary c-section were 1.77 between 2000 and 2005 (inclusive) the U.S. infant mortality rate did not decrease. In contrast, the mortality rate for babies delivered vaginally was .62 per 1,000. A look into the causes to these starkly different figures may be linked to a number of different factors.
However those factors do not allow for our dismal rating in infant mortality - Infant mortality is defined as deaths per 1000 live births occurring from birth to the age of 1 year and includes all causes.
The U.S. infant mortality rate in 1900 was 100 deaths per 1000 live births or 10%. In 1960, the rate was 26.0 per 1000 or 2.6%. In 2000 the rate was 6.89 deaths per 1000 live births or 0.69%.between 2000 and 2005 (inclusive) the U.S. infant mortality rate did not decrease. It remained about the same during that 6 year period where many other countries in the developed world saw steady declines in infant mortality.
As of October 23, 2008, the U.S. has the 41st lowest infant mortality rate in the world according to the CIA World Factbook. That means 40 other countries have an IMR that is lower than the United States. Thirty other developed countries have infant mortality rates of 5.0/1000 or lower. There is something wrong with this picture and I don't think we can blame it on epidurals or c sections. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/26/2009 10:06:50 PM | I simply grabbed the first thing that popped up, sorry. I would rip something from our databases, but that stuff is rather copywrited and I would not like to get slammed for that one. I am sure you can google plenty of studies that show it to be a problem. It isn't always, but many times it can cause respiratory depression in the baby, depending on what drug is used and when it is given. That will certainly lower APGARs.
The point remains that the more drugs you pump into the mother, the more possible complications you introduce into the birth.
No, I will not blame it all on pharmacological intervention and C-sections, but it is quite obvious even to the un-trained eye that our nation is over-medicated to an extreme.
Here is a more reputable article for you. No epidurals are not all horrible and evil, but they can and do cause lower Apgar's quite often.
http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/ma?f=102215643.html | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/26/2009 10:27:19 PM |
and it's deeply rooted in the consciousness of many Americans.
Yes, sir, it is. And I'm proud to be one of them. None of the countries you mentioned has accomplished anything even close to what the United States has. We have a Constitution which doesn't authorize the sort of governments they have. They are welfare states, even more so than the U.S. has become, and the high taxes that requires hinder their productivity by reducing incentive. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/26/2009 11:33:00 PM |
...Canada is in the 13th district of the US Federal Reserve.
Only if a NAMU is enacted. God forbid it ever happens. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/27/2009 6:06:33 AM | jwq86,
You are right, I don't doubt that medication can slightly lower APGAR scores and we, as a people, are overmedicated with little return in quality of life or outcomes. I'm not sure that you want to use epidurals as an example of this. I hate to wish kidney stones on anyone but lets start suggesting that men suffer thru those with no pain medication.
My real argument is making the jump from lower APGARS to a reason for the infant mortality rates in the US vs the rest of the world. I don't think that one can stand up to scientific scrutiny. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/27/2009 6:14:14 AM | and it's deeply rooted in the consciousness of many Americans.
Yes, sir, it is. And I'm proud to be one of them. None of the countries you mentioned has accomplished anything even close to what the United States has. We have a Constitution which doesn't authorize the sort of governments they have. They are welfare states, even more so than the U.S. has become, and the high taxes that requires hinder their productivity by reducing incentive.
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Some have had longer and more stable democracy than America has.
Equal rights longer.
Culturally some have accomplished a lot more. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/27/2009 6:31:25 AM | I love America and I love the ideal of free health care but it is the same problem as these stimulus packages!!! Where is the money for these programs coming from? Budget cuts in many areas, foreign loans, more tariffs, or loans from the Federal Reserve?! Honestly the only that makes sense do to would be tariffs aka taxes! Yes it would be a burden on us but health care is meant for us!
I'm sorry but if our nation is so great why is it we're one of the largest countries in debt? Yet we house some of the richest corporations in the world?! I'd love to see everyone one of us with free health care and brand new cars (cash for clunkers) but not at the cost of borrowing from foreign powers or the federal reserve deepening our depth!
Oh and socialism isn't a form of a political system it is a form of an economic system! You guys can argue all day which is more evil capitalism or socialism but it is not the systems that fail or are evil its the political and personal motives behind them that fail or corrupt the system! | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/27/2009 6:59:21 AM |
Yes, sir, it is. And I'm proud to be one of them. None of the countries you mentioned has accomplished anything even close to what the United States has. We have a Constitution which doesn't authorize the sort of governments they have. They are welfare states, even more so than the U.S. has become, and the high taxes that requires hinder their productivity by reducing incentive.
At one point, the Romans had an empire that stretched across much of the world, the British literally owned a quarter of the world and it's population, and most of the "modern" amenities we enjoy today existed (in rudimentary form) in Africa, Asia and Europe. They gave us hygiene, languages, writing, the printing press and (this should give you a little thrill) weaponry.
If you weren't so caught up in blind patriotism, you'd realize that the U.S hasn't accomplished anything even close to what those other countries have.
Not only are too many Americans caught up in fear of the unknown.... they also have an odd propensity to automatically be fearful of ANYTHING that challenges their narrow, egocentric view of the world. And many of them are incapable of being challenged in any way, no matter how outrageous their claims are, without resorting to childish tactics, like deflection, bullying and name-calling.
I'm sure we all know at least one arrogant, stupid person who always believes that they're right no matter what evidence there is against their views. That person who is constantly causing arguments over every little thing and will always resort to insults and violence against some poor sap who had the nerve to correct him.
Well, to the rest of the world, Americans are that guy. The sensible ones have my sympathy for having to put up with them. | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/27/2009 10:36:56 AM | Why are you even comparing the US to Europe? Just cause some guy who has never been outside his state, let alone this Country yell's USA #1 does not mean its true. The United States has a long way to go before you can even begin to compare it to Europe.
Fact of the matter is, the US does not need to become Socialist, it needs to become Communist bring the American people down to level again, thats why I am so happy Obama is speeding up this Country on its path to rock bottom, America people need a big reality check. And the O-man is bringin it to ya!!! haha | |
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| Why are Americans so Anti Socialist?
Posted: 8/27/2009 12:26:54 PM |
Alexander Hamilton and John Adams were part of a minority group who wanted to establish an American Monarchy. So, the idea of government taking care of everyone fit thier ideal government. But they were a minority. We do not have a Monarchy! John Adams even went so far as to make dissent against the law. Something I am surprised the Obamanation has not picked up on.
Wow...your grasp of American history is...baffling. John Adams "monarchy" was situated within his Pamphlet "Thoughts on Government", where he argued that social status played an important role in government and that society had to understand that in order to thrive. He supported Bicameralism as a means of political power control, oh wait...WE have a bicameral government!
Under socialism a person cannot truley be free. You are not free to be productive. You will be punished by mindless taxes. Under socialism you allow the government to make descisions for you. Because cost effectivness will always be the government's objective.
Then why are you still here? The US government is already heavily socialized for the purposes of providing general welfare for its citizens. Under the true free market, Little Timmy spends his childhood stitching Nike shoes together for the more developed nations. If you want a true free market, you might want to think about moving someplace like Chad, because you wont find it here.
Only the free market offers true freedom. You cannot compare the US to Canada or Europe. That is comparing apples to lemons. And there are no other apples to compare us to.
But if Canada and Europe is so great, why are you here. Jump on a plane and go to your promised land. No one is stopping you. Leave the US to us who truley believe in freedom.
I have already addressed this point heavily in the thread earlier and I do not feel like typing another history lesson for those ignorant of the facts. The only reason you have "freedom" in this "free-market" is because the Government you so hate is keeping the corporate wolves at bay. | |
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