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 WindRoper

Joined: 7/24/2007
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Ok, here is a question.
Posted: 8/18/2009 11:20:09 AM
My school district designates a pick up/drop off area on the bus route simply by saying "The place nearest to your house where the bus stops is _____." It is my responsibility to insure my kids (or kid, since the others have graduated) arrives at the bus stop and is on time. I live in a rural area so I am fortunate she only has to walk about 50 yards up our residential (gravel) road to a county maintained road where the bus stops. The kids don't have to walk down that road, just stand by it. The speed limit is 35 but many people go well in excess of that speed, often pulling boat or farm trailers. I do worry about someone losing control of their vehicle and striking kids while they wait for the bus, but wouldn't think it is the school's responsibility to do something to prevent it. In inclimate weather I and other parents works together to insure the kids aren't sludging thru and standing in heavy rain, snow, sub-freezing wind indexes, etc. While several parents will transport the kids to the bus stop, it only takes one or two parked vehicles for the kids to pile in to for the purpose of staying dry and warm. I've told my employer if I'm late, I'm late. It only happens once in a blue moon anyway.
 carterscutie85

Joined: 5/31/2007
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Ok, here is a question.
Posted: 8/18/2009 11:42:45 AM
OP, have u looked into carpooling?
I'm sure the school system would be more than happy to do what your asking-If they had the money to hire the people to ensure your kid gets to and from the bus stop safely. If they have to hire more people, your taxes go up. Teachers are already underpaid (at least here anyways) and I am sure a bus driver gets less than a teacher.
 expat57

Joined: 2/20/2008
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Ok, here is a question.
Posted: 8/19/2009 5:21:31 AM
I'm not sure if you're asking for the children to be picked up at their homes. The school has already stated the funding is not available for that option. Many if not most schools no longer have funding for books. Even if more funds was available, it likely wouldn't be spent on busing.

Perhaps the parents can rotate the task of one parent staying with the children on the side of the street until the bus arrives. 36 weeks in a school year, two shifts a day is 72 slots to fill. One parent would need to be willing to organize the program, contact parents, create a calendar, create a neighborhood parent phone list, etc.
 looptex1

Joined: 5/6/2008
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Ok, here is a question.
Posted: 8/19/2009 2:43:18 PM
expat57, I am not asking the school to do anything it hasn't done for 15 years.
They have just this year decided to do this.
Here is their reasons given. To save time and money,
Time wise, there is a total of 12 miles they are cutting out.
That 12 mile is not just one bus but several buses.
lets just assume it is 6 buses, that is 2 miles per bus..
How long does it take for a bus to go 2 miles? That is how much time they are saving.
Money wise, a bus get 4-6 miles per gallon, deisal gas is around $3 per gallon but we will say $4 just incase it goes up.
12 miles divided by4 is 3 gallons of gas, times by $4 equals $12
Now also keep in mind that $12 dollars is total saved over the entire bus system not each bus.
So asking to keep doing what they were already doing isn't putting a burden on thier budget.
Also consider the fact, I outlined a way for them to do as they always have done and save drive less miles than they would be driving after doiong away with these roads.
Not anyone with common sense and a desire to save money would take the advise.
But anyways it is what it is.

As far as the school commiting abuse for making a child walk in the rain or cold after getting off the bus I have to say thats just ridiculious of you to even mention that. What are you raising for a kid?? The bubble boy or girl??

I didn't sya they were, I was asking.. The reason I asked was this, If I were to allow my kids stay out in the rain, cold or whatever, the children would be getting sick alot. If I were letting my kids run up and down the highway a 5.30 in the morning what do you think the department of family and childrens services would say?
They would say I was endangering their health and neglecting them.
That is why I asked that question, I was wanting to know why the school can make my child do something I couldn't even allow without getting my children taken away,

As far as the school commiting an act of child negligence for putting a child off the bus w/out supervision, well where are YOU when the kid gets off the bus????
working to keep a roof over their heads, food on the table and power,,
Maybe it is just where I live, but employers don't care what time the bus runs, they expect you to work your shift..

There so many parents today that have NO clue whats going on. I feel sorry for all of them. And their kids, well their going to grow up as spoiled lame brains with no idea how to handle any kind of anything out of the norm.

I have no idea how you come up with kids being spoiled/
If you are referring to this post, my kids would walk,
but I won't allow mine to walk down a busy road, without sidewalks,without street lights, going by a drug dealers house, and sexual offenders living close by at 5.30 in the morning.
If me protecting my children is spoiling them, then they are spoiled.
 ~~~KC~~

Joined: 6/20/2009
Msg: 30
Ok, here is a question.
Posted: 8/19/2009 3:50:32 PM

Time wise, there is a total of 12 miles they are cutting out.
That 12 mile is not just one bus but several buses.
lets just assume it is 6 buses, that is 2 miles per bus..
How long does it take for a bus to go 2 miles? That is how much time they are saving.
Money wise, a bus get 4-6 miles per gallon, deisal gas is around $3 per gallon but we will say $4 just incase it goes up.
12 miles divided by4 is 3 gallons of gas, times by $4 equals $12
Now also keep in mind that $12 dollars is total saved over the entire bus system not each bus[/]

I'm pretty sure I'm doing the quoting thing wrong.. but..

Hells bells man.. do you really think that by cutting 12 miles off school bus routes they are saving $12.00. I sincerely think you should run for school trustee or school board official in your area as you so obviously have better math skills than they do..

Cutting 12 miles off school bus routes could mean 100,000 savings for a school board.. that could mean 3 teachers or 4 or 5 teachers aides. It could mean the difference between having 35 kids in your kids classes to having 30.

Taking one piece of the budget out of context and making it look like the big bad man is hurting your children is silly. Like the millions of other parents in your shoes, hire a babysitter to meet your children at the bus stop if you cannot. The school is NOT a babysitting service. You are responsible for before and after school care including receiving your children off the bus.

My advice to those that think they can do it better than the current politicians.. GET YOUR GAME ON and RUN!!! Its called an election for a reason!
 freetime2bme

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Ok, here is a question.
Posted: 8/19/2009 4:12:50 PM
"Here is their reasons given. To save time and money"

WOW a school that has a county that has a good goal. I too don't buy the $12 bit. The rules are set. Were I live is students will walk no more then 1.5 miles. I now I did more than that as a kid and it was up hill both ways lol.

"The reason I asked was this, If I were to allow my kids stay out in the rain, cold or whatever, the children would be getting sick alot. If I were letting my kids run up and down the highway a 5.30 in the morning what do you think the department of family and childrens services would say?
They would say I was endangering their health and neglecting them. "

Then drive them to the bus stop, that is what I do when it is bad weather.

You people that want he government to do it all for you, need to get a clue!!!

 looptex1

Joined: 5/6/2008
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Ok, here is a question.
Posted: 8/19/2009 4:15:02 PM
Cutting 12 miles off school bus routes could mean 100,000 savings for a school board.. that could mean 3 teachers or 4 or 5 teachers aides. It could mean the difference between having 35 kids in your kids classes to having 30.

Could you explain how cutting 12 miles from a bus route saves that kind of money.
The only thing saved is the mile,coverted to gas,converted to cost of gas.

My advice to those that think they can do it better than the current politicians.. GET YOUR GAME ON and RUN!!! Its called an election for a reason!
That is my plan..

Then drive them to the bus stop, that is what I do when it is bad weather.

You people that want he government to do it all for you, need to get a clue!!!

I leave for work at 5.30, the bus wont run untill 6..
I sometimes don't get home untill 6 or 7, the bus will be returning then at 4.
As for getting a clue, I pay taxes to the state, and county of which I reside.
The not only do my school taxes the county get entitle me to ask for the bus come by my house just like it does every other tax payers house.
But also the state gives the school money because my child attends that school.
One would think that if the state were going to give the school money for a child attending their school, they would be willing to drive 1/2 mile to pick them up..
I have a clue, I know that most superintendents in this state make 6 digit salary figures for working 9 months out of the year, one of them even makes over 300,000.
if the budget is tight right there would be the 1st place i'd find some money.
I also know that our county just spent or should i say currently spending.
They bought 120 acres to build a new high school, not because of over crouding but so our football team would stay in the triple a class.
They paid 12 million for the land, the land they bought is haveing to have so much work to it, it is unreal.
It floods everytime it rains, and their educated engineers are taking the highest part of the land down instead of building it up..where do they think the water and the next problem is coming from..
But, the next county over bought 120 acres for less than half of what we purchased this for..Yes there was a big stink in the county about it but it was to late when everyone found out.
Did we need the school? I would say not, the school isn't going to open untill next year but they have already split our exsisting school houses up and legally starting the school this year. They already have a football team and the whole nine yards.
So it seems we now have 2 schools in the same amount of buildings and nobody has mentioned everything about over crowding.
We pay over 100,000 dollars a year for a landscaping company to keep the grass cut.
This is county land, the county should take care of that.
Or even the custodians can ride a lawn mower.
We only have 7 schools here, all ages combined.
I can see alot of places to cut money without taking away any services to the studdent or anyone losing jobs.
Well except for the land scaping company, they would lose the account. and surly they are not basing the future of their bussiness on one account.


 ConsciousSoul

Joined: 7/9/2008
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Ok, here is a question.
Posted: 8/19/2009 4:39:08 PM
Some quick maths.

Say that bus now has to do 2 miles less.
Count 15 minutes less of driving time for the bus driver, including waiting for the kids to get into the bus, stopping at stop signs and red lights, traffic, etc. (and I am really being conservative here, it could be far worst if these 2 miles involves a bridge or if traffic is bad).
Since this is a round trip, this is now 30 minutes difference.

Now, say you have 6 bus.
So this is 6 drivers.
Say each driver is payed $15 per hours. Every day, you are saving half a hour of salary for each driver. That is, $7.50 per day, per driver.
Times 6 drivers, that is: 45$ a day. There are approximately 200 school days in a year.
So every year, you just saved 9000$.
I suspect this amount to much more than 2 miles / 15 minutes differences, because 2 miles would be the distance to one house. But if 10 kids are within that 2 miles radius, it might mean a lot more as the bus has to move within traffic to get to every stop and cover every kid. To that you add the cost of gas, the cost of repair for adding 4 miles x 200 = 800 miles per year on the each vehicle, and so on.

Anyway - not quite 100,000$ but still a lot more significant than 12$.

It is also possible that the drivers are in a union, and so it is possible that the whole contract has to be revised if they need to drive further away.

Another possible variable could be the insurance.
It's possible that in order to be insured for civic damage, the fee will be much, much higher if you have to drive more. If you have a car and purchased car insurance, you would be familiar with this: the risk level is higher when you will drive further away every day for your everyday commute. Suppose you change bracket? for a puny 2 miles, you might double your insurance fee. Or not... it's hard to know from the information you gave us.

All of this makes it quite complex - and I am sure I am forgetting many, many more variables. The best way to know is to get on the school board and ask to see their budget.
 looptex1

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Posted: 8/19/2009 5:00:43 PM
consciousSoul,
I am not going to quote your whold message but will reply.
The roads they are cutting out, have no redlights.
They are secondary road that are 1/2 mile or less. So the time travel only take the amount of time to dive the distance only stoping for the children.
I don't have the paper with me, but I will try to remember close to the amounts taken off.
We have 7 districts, 1 district was taking off 2 milef for the whole distric.
Another one was maybe 1 mile, and another maybe a mile and 3 tenths.
But the total for all districts is 12 miles.
The bus drivers are payed a salary, not by the hour. Maybe in other places by the hour but not in our county.
So in this case, the money save by time does not exsist.
As for the insurance, I have no idea. It could possibly affect it, I dont know.
But just to quote the board.,,, School is starting earlier this year because or the calander year changes made. It takes to long for a bus to turn around on the secondary roads.
Now that is exactly what they said..now someone with common sense would know that it dont take long to turn a bus arond if the person driving is qualified to drive a bus.
Especially when areas have been widend just for that purpose.
Also that since the 12 mile is split up between several bus not much time is saved.
Just some info so you can understand whay I say the above statements.
There is 39 roads that have been cut, in 7 different districts.
I think the most any single district has cut is 7 roads.
So take that number and split it up between 2 or 3 buses .
You will have 2 or 3 buses turning around 2 or 3 extra times. If it take 5 minutes for each turn around you save 15 mins..
And since the bus drivers are on salary, money wise they haven't saved anything just the time.
The other reason was money.
now as I said, I don't know about the insurance. But the only way they are saving money is by the gas they are saving. Which is just $12.
 ConsciousSoul

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Ok, here is a question.
Posted: 8/19/2009 5:18:38 PM
Looptex1,

Let's turn it around, just for a minute.

If all they are saving is $12.00 and a difference of 15 minutes with no salary impact, then why would they do it?

What I am trying to say here is that it would be very unlikely that the school board decided to do all of these cut.... for a close to zero profit. It makes no sens.
They know that the parents won't like it, and yet they decided to do so. Obviously there are some variables you aren't seeing here. I simply cannot see the school board making these cuts for "just for fun". Be it financial or political, be it for safety reasons or for whatever other reasons they aren't telling you - there gotta be something.

As a parent, you are entitled to know why they did it. So - like many other posters said - you can probably try to meet the school board and try to know more. But I would advice against throwing yourself into a battle without first knowing the real reasons behind it... especially since there might be real costs that you simply cannot think of right now. Nobody would go through all the troubles of changing these rules if there was no gain behind it for anyone.
 *~*Karen*~*

Joined: 4/9/2009
Msg: 36
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Posted: 8/19/2009 7:12:17 PM
In our area, all kids within city limits are considered walkers. That is a 2 mile walk for some. While the kids who bus in have to walk up to a half mile to walk to the bus stop. Most the kids I know are picked up, usually a short distance from their home.

It is NOT the responsibility of the school or the bus drivers to keep the kids safe before they are on the bus or after they are off the bus and across the street to go home. If the child is young, I personally feel it is the parents job to stay with the child before the bus and to be there to pick the child up after they get off the bus or to have someone do it for them. In my area, sometimes they car pool kids to the bus stops when they are young.
 ~~~KC~~

Joined: 6/20/2009
Msg: 37
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Posted: 8/19/2009 10:55:09 PM
[ ]I leave for work at 5.30, the bus wont run untill 6..
[/]I sometimes don't get home until 6 or 7, the bus will be returning then at 4.
As for getting a clue, I pay taxes to the state, and county of which I reside.
The not only do my school taxes the county get entitle me to ask for the bus come by my house just like it does every other tax payers house.[/]

Are you seriously telling me that you think leaving your children unattended after school is good parenting?

And the taxes you pay entitle you to ask for the bus to come to your house just like it does every other tax payers house.. Well, welcome to utopia... because if you have been getting door to door service for your kids up til now and you have been able to not pay for child care. you've been lucky.

Sorry but your math skills on this really make no sense.. and neither does your lamenting that you pay taxes. Superintendents generally have a masters degree, quite possibly a doctorate and just like oil company executives, earn their money the same we do for doing a job. If you want to be a superintendent, get an education.

If your job requires you to work from 6 until 6, and still cannot afford childcare, then you need to be creative about your situation.
 freetime2bme

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Ok, here is a question.
Posted: 8/20/2009 5:07:40 AM
"As for getting a clue, I pay taxes to the state, and county of which I reside.
The not only do my school taxes the county get entitle me to ask for the bus come by my house just like it does every other tax payers house."

Check the state/county laws/regulations on this and I believe you will find you are not entitled nore is the school requiered to have the buss stop at your house. Were I live the distance from a house to the school or buss stop will be no more then 1.5 miles. It might be more or less were you live, but I would bet there is no requierment for the buss to stop at any ones house. As the gass prices went up and revinues went down, lots of schools have had to make ajustments. If you have to go to work before the buss and are not home when the buss gets back and you do not think your kids have what it takes to walk down the road you should get a sitter, get a friend to help or find a new job. It is not on the school it is on you as the parent.
 looptex1

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Posted: 8/20/2009 2:22:55 PM

Looptex1,

Let's turn it around, just for a minute.

If all they are saving is $12.00 and a difference of 15 minutes with no salary impact, then why would they do it?

What I am trying to say here is that it would be very unlikely that the school board decided to do all of these cut.... for a close to zero profit. It makes no sens.
They know that the parents won't like it, and yet they decided to do so. Obviously there are some variables you aren't seeing here. I simply cannot see the school board making these cuts for "just for fun". Be it financial or political, be it for safety reasons or for whatever other reasons they aren't telling you - there gotta be something.

As a parent, you are entitled to know why they did it. So - like many other posters said - you can probably try to meet the school board and try to know more. But I would advice against throwing yourself into a battle without first knowing the real reasons behind it... especially since there might be real costs that you simply cannot think of right now. Nobody would go through all the troubles of changing these rules if there was no gain behind it for anyone.

Your hit the nail on the head, we did meet with the school board.
And these were the reason theygave to us.
I even told them how much money would be saved, and they did not dispute the numbers.
The superintendent said. That the bus drivers and the director of transportation made this request and they also determined the roads to be cut.
when requesting they change it back, and even stateing the concerns the phrase we hear is the state does not require us to go down these roads.
And they are right, it does not require them to, but it does not prohibit them from doin it either.
2 local papers and 2 local tv stations have did reports on the matter, speaking with parents and with member of the school board.
Not one time has one of the spokemen for the school board disputed the numbers they have been given as to the saving of money.
Hear is a quote by a spokesman for the school when interviewed by the channel 3 news.
..The news person asked about the concerns about the 17 sexual predaters within a 3 mile radius of one of the roads and the 80 something in the county.
The spokesman for the schools reply was,,Mr. Smith numbers are close, we have 82 sexual offenders in the county, it is bad that we have that many. But we only have one sexual predater and he doesn't live close to MR. Smiths road.
There is a differance in a sexual offender and a sexual predater. A sexual offender is not likely to do it again..
Now those were his exact words..
I have 2 questions concerning his statementI am going to ask if I do get a meeting linee up.
1st. Does this sexual predater live close to any childs house? It isn't just my kids I am doing this for.
2nd.. If they are not worried about the 80 something offenders because they are not likely to do it again, then why are they reqiore to register where they live, why are they not allowed to be within or live within a certain distance from schools,parks, or any place children gather.
His statement seems as if my road is the only one they have cut and this concern is invalid. It might be invalid for this road but it is a valid concern for others..
 looptex1

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Ok, here is a question.
Posted: 8/20/2009 3:02:19 PM

Are you seriously telling me that you think leaving your children unattended after school is good parenting?

No, untill this year my oldest daughter was at home when they got off the bus.
She is 16, but no due to the calender year changing and the buses changing. She will not get off the bus untill after they have gotten off the bus.

Sorry but your math skills on this really make no sense..

It is simple math, division and addition. apparently you can't figure how much money in gas it cost to drive X amount of miles by using how many miles per gallon your car gets, so I will not even attemp to explain it to you.

If your job requires you to work from 6 until 6, and still cannot afford childcare, then you need to be creative about your situation.

My job requires I travel everyday for work.. Somedays I may be 15 miles from work, somedays I may be 200 miles from work.
That is why somedays I leave a 4 or 5 or 5.30 in the morning.
It depends on how far I have to drive.
And then there is somedays I am only 5 miles from work and leave at 7 or 8 and get home at 12 or 1 in the evening..
And this isn't just about me, I can work things out for the most part, but there is many parents that cant due to them only having one vehical, or maybe they are single and have to work also.
As I said earlier. There is people that dont have friends and relatives that can help.
Most peoples friends and relative work just like they do.
And it is going to come down to some parents having to decide to work and keep their family supported, or quit and wait on their children to get of the bus.
And believe me, if children, not only mine but others were walking in safe conditions and there wasn't a threat of getting run over or one of the 80 sexual offenders decideing to have at it again. I wouldn't have a problem with it. Heck I used to go to town on my bike when I was 10 and 12 years old. But things were different then.
This law or guideline for bus routes may have been the perfect thing when it was written.
But, just as we see new laws being made because of new problems each and everyday, and just as we see old laws get done away with because they are outdated.
This law or guideline needs updated or done away with.
The guidelines to consider to determine bus routes are are follows.
lenght in the road 1/2 mile or less
walking conditions
route conditions
And something else.
The only thing they considered was the distance.
The walking conditions are unsafe, dark at pick up with no street lights, no sidewalks. Traffic and eccesive traffic on many of the road due to the school being down the highway or constuction.
The route conditions are safe, they are all paved roads.
The guieline says these 4 things should be considered, not just one..
Maybe they should make clear guidelines instead of just saying walking conditions.
Walking conditions in one area can be safe without sidewalks, but other roads without enough room to walk 3 or 4 feet away from the road would not be safe without sidewalks.
 staceyssc

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Posted: 10/26/2009 10:09:51 AM
If you have to work, how do you "take responsibility" for getting your kid to school? Last year, our district had busses for kids that lived more than 1 mile and for kids that lived closer, but were not on a designated "safe route". My daughter's designated safe route included 1 1/2 miles of walking in the dark, on a busy street, with no sidewalk or even bike lane. Luckily, my oldest daughter lived close and was able to give her rides. If it hadn't been for her, I think I would have had to choose between going on welfare or making my daughter stay home and take classes on the internet or something. It should not be this dangerous to keep a kid in school.
 hooked_and_happy

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Posted: 10/26/2009 10:36:04 AM
OP, you either need to take the kids to the designated bus stop, or work out arrangments to have someone (a neighbour or family member) pick them up and take them to the bus stop.

It's YOUR responsiblity for YOUR kids. When they are at school, or on the bus, they are the responsibility of the school system.

I walked to school when I was little... probably about a mile or more... and I did it in the rain, snow and with no sidewalks. This isn't one of those "I walked 20 miles in 5 feet of snow downhill bothways" stories. But I walked. I had no choice. Up until grade 1 the bus would pick me up, but after that it was me and my brothers. My parents dressed me accordingly and I always carried an umbrella. If it was really bad, I waited at the school until my parents or a relative picked me up.

OP, your making very poor excuses for your kids not being able to walk to the bus and you refuse to take any responsibility.
 notfrau

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Posted: 10/27/2009 3:21:09 PM
I raised the question of my children's safety because they were walking along a highway on a stretch with no sidewalks as well and a lot of young, reckless college student drivers -- only difference is that the bus was going right past my house and often stopping at the gas station directly across the street from my house (after school when empty). The school district here had no problem with adding our driveway as the last stop to pick up/drop off my children. I don't think they would have been so accomodating if not for the fact that adding the stop had little to no impact on anyone else.

For what it's worth, here in our rural school district, transportation is provided only to those students who live more than 4 miles from the school. (disabled students excepted of course)
 MillingtonMom

Joined: 10/27/2009
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Posted: 11/1/2009 1:36:38 AM
there was recently an incident where a child was walking home from school and went missing. The poor child was later found dead in the local trash dump. The schools take no responsibility what so ever. Because she lived within a mile of the school she was not eligible to ride the bus. The parents have to be solely responsible for the saftey of their children. Find a way to get them to school that you are comfortable with. It is unreasonable to believe that the school systems can afford to get each and every child that attends it's schools picked up and dropped off at their front doors.
 sheillala2008

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Posted: 11/1/2009 6:16:27 AM
Here where I live, we no longer have what are called "walkers." My children and I live only a couple blocks from the school, yet there is a bus that picks them up in front of my home. For my 5 year old, someone has to be here to pick him up off the bus. I would most certainly think it would be endangering a child to put them in the situation of fending for themselves. A half mile is a long way for a child to walk home. Anything could happen; abductions, fights, get hit by a car, druggies could try to approach them, they could wander off, etc. And if it is not the school's responsibility, I would question if it is the responsibility of the government, since children are required to go to school by law (other than in the event that they are being home-schooled). I did not look to see where you live, but I really think this would be a concern that you would perhaps want to address to a government official and of course keep climbing that ladder until you recieve the response you are looking for. It does not seem right though.
 Crane38

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Ok, here is a question.
Posted: 11/1/2009 2:18:42 PM
My question would be why would you let your kid walk half a mile to the bus stop, and have you looked into before and afterschool programs?
 propurpose

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Ok, here is a question.
Posted: 11/2/2009 1:47:59 PM
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the custodials/parents are primarily responsible for all known conditions encountered by the young.
society is responsible for the non-safeties and conditions of roads in that community by department and awareness that a place of socially accepted education and route to/from pose risk to any person or child.

so from this mind of responsibility.
if something occur to the child then the order of responsibility be the primary care-giver on down to the last citizen which ignored the conditions.

hope all agree
 HappyHeart777

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Ok, here is a question.
Posted: 11/2/2009 4:35:26 PM
Times sure have changed. I walked 3 mi. to and from school in all weather alone starting at the age of 7.
 4UMaybe

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Ok, here is a question.
Posted: 11/2/2009 5:24:10 PM
You need to looking into a babysitter for before and after school. Many of us work long hours and have to pay for babysitters or before and aftercare until the children are old enough and can handle being alone for a time.

I hope you have a babysitter for when they get home because you are away to long for them to be alone. Have the babysitter meet the bus.
 ohwhynot46

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Ok, here is a question.
Posted: 11/2/2009 5:52:58 PM
I am not sure where you live, but I know that a barrage of phone calls to the bus company from concerned parents in my area resulted in changes in locations of the bus stops. Kids on my street are dropped off at the bottom of their driveways. The squeaky wheel gets the grease!

As for the money, well, the bus company works for you; your employee, of sorts. My understanding is that they are paid a set amount for the contract, X number of days in the school calendar. Our tax dollars at work.
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