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Msg: 26 | |
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Posted: 8/28/2009 11:29:13 AM | Society enacted the bill HR 2749 - The Food Safety Enhancement Act of 2009
Passage of the FSEA into law would amend the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act (FFDCA).
The bill proposes a substantial increase in power and resources for the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
APPARENTLY status quo sucked - hence the need to amend things a bit. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2009 4:43:46 PM |
Society enacted the bill HR 2749 - The Food Safety Enhancement Act of 2009
Passage of the FSEA into law would amend the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act (FFDCA).
The bill proposes a substantial increase in power and resources for the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
APPARENTLY status quo sucked - hence the need to amend things a bit.
Yes, because we know that all government actions are highly intelligent and never self-serving.
You're posts highlight some serious intellectual confusion. | |
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Msg: 28 | |
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Posted: 8/28/2009 7:08:32 PM | Dude, do you have anything to add to the discussion or do you just attack everyone on this page ?
YOU can put anything in your body any time you want, no one is stopping you.
--whether or not it's legal, it's regulated, controlled, restricted is quite another issue.
NOTHING will stop you if you are truly committed to putting X into your body
--find it, pay for it, and be happy
What is your point CatJandBj ? or is just cut/paste quote and counterpunch ?  | |
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Posted: 8/28/2009 7:56:52 PM |
Dude, do you have anything to add to the discussion or do you just attack everyone on this page ?
Who in this thread, besides you, have I rebutted? Disagreeing with you is not equivalent to attacking "everyone".
YOU can put anything in your body any time you want, no one is stopping you.
--whether or not it's legal, it's regulated, controlled, restricted is quite another issue.
The legality IS THE ISSUE. Freedom is the idea that one is not prevented from acting in some manner they see fit. Your argument is incoherent because the idea of a ban or controlling of a good is the act of stopping people from doing x, y, or z.
NOTHING will stop you if you are truly committed to putting X into your body
--find it, pay for it, and be happy
You should try a dose of your own medicine. Since you don't like the supplement industry, then don't buy them and be happy. Leave others alone to do as they please. How does the current structure of this industry harm you? It's obvious you feel that people who consume them are ignorant, but so what? I feel the same way about reality TV, but I don't feel the urge as you do to call for government intervention to control my fellow man's every act.
What is your point CatJandBj ? or is just cut/paste quote and counterpunch ?
It's called a debate. | |
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Posted: 8/29/2009 2:33:44 PM | i'm glad the FDA isn't involved in suppliments. everything i take is basic and tried and true. the last thing i want is to pay more for something i already know works because some chump in a lab coat had to test it.
the market controls suppliments. if something works and is priced well it moves. if it doesn't it sits on the shelves. | |
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Msg: 31 | |
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Posted: 8/29/2009 4:37:42 PM | Publicly available dietary supplement ingredient database, DSID,
first released in April 2009 including data for adult MVMs ( multivitamin/mineral ).
http://dietarysupplementdatabase.usda.nih.gov/
The market controls supplements............law of supply and demand VERSUS health
---All 14 Hydroxycut products are being recalled.
While the Hydroxycut products were obviously legitimate products,
the chemical formulation produce dangerous side-effects that make them unsafe
Some of the health problems associated with the Hydroxycut products include jaundice,
elevated liver enzymes (an indicator of potential liver problems), seizures,
cardiovascular disorders, kidney and liver damage possibly requiring liver transplant.
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Posted: 8/29/2009 6:01:38 PM | i spent 14 years working for an herbal company. so i know what to look for in a supplement. and i know what to use for particular ailments or issues.
in addition, i can go into the woods and select safe, effective plants for everything from food to medicine.
give the natural products consumer a bit of credit. most have done as much or more research than those who take it upon themselves to announce what another individual should or should not choose to consume. | |
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Posted: 8/29/2009 6:58:16 PM |
Publicly available dietary supplement ingredient database, DSID,
first released in April 2009 including data for adult MVMs ( multivitamin/mineral ).
http://dietarysupplementdatabase.usda.nih.gov/
The market controls supplements............law of supply and demand VERSUS health
---All 14 Hydroxycut products are being recalled.
While the Hydroxycut products were obviously legitimate products,
the chemical formulation produce dangerous side-effects that make them unsafe
Some of the health problems associated with the Hydroxycut products include jaundice,
elevated liver enzymes (an indicator of potential liver problems), seizures,
cardiovascular disorders, kidney and liver damage possibly requiring liver transplant.
Let the gullible die....It's the American way
Well lets just see how many cases of hepatic injury Hydroxycut is claimed to have caused. Ohh....23 cases. And it sold over 9 million units last year alone.
http://www.medpagetoday.com/ProductAlert/OTC/14017
Now lets look at acetaminophen, an FDA REGULATED product.
The vast majority of people who use acetaminophen — the best-known brand is Tylenol — do so safely. But each year overdoses account for more than 56,000 emergency room visits, 2,600 hospitalizations, and an estimated 458 deaths due to acute liver failure.
http://www.aolhealth.com/conditions/avoiding-acetaminophen-related-liver-injury
WHAT?!?!?! How can that be? It's regulated by the FDA and they wouldn't let the "gullible die", would they?
Lets take a look at peanuts.
About 100 people per year die from peanut allergies.[16]
For the Love of God?!?!?! We need to ban peanuts immediately. 100 people die a year!!! Don't you care about the children, man??? | |
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Msg: 34 | |
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Posted: 8/29/2009 7:14:15 PM | You're absolutely right, the system is perfect in every conceivable way, leave the status quo alone.........damn sarcasm button got stuck...hmmm
Profits always go before health in America --they sold a couple zillion units......
PS
I seem to remember a time when almost 50 % of the kids in the lunchroom had PB & J | |
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Posted: 8/29/2009 9:32:09 PM |
You're absolutely right, the system is perfect in every conceivable way, leave the status quo alone.........damn sarcasm button got stuck...hmmm
Profits always go before health in America --they sold a couple zillion units......
PS
I seem to remember a time when almost 50 % of the kids in the lunchroom had PB & J
So your delusional desire for a perfectly safe society should lead to the ban of everything. | |
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Msg: 36 | |
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Posted: 8/30/2009 11:08:09 AM | Perfect doesn't exist--although the " scientist " does seem to have the cut/paste quote perfected !
-- Harming others in the name of profits $$$$ while no one watches - UNacceptable
Many bodies of evidence suggest that the FDA regularly kills and harms people.
The FDA is not a peer review mechanism for the scientific community.
In Pearson v. Shalala the Federal court ruled that dietary supplements
can be labeled with health claims so long as they bear a disclaimer
that such claims have not received FDA approval.
Snake oil for the masses............from real snakes
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Posted: 8/31/2009 10:50:52 AM | | Who cares if the Government knows what we bought or not. Seriously, half (if not more)the shit we do buy that the Government knows about is crap...not just certain supplements. Take a look at everything around you. Alcohol, tobacco, processed foods. If people want to take and use supplements then so what. I would rather see someone spend money on that then go out and spend it on pure bullshit. We can all find something wrong with everything if we dig hard enough. It is all up to the individual what he or she chooses to do. Just because certain "ingredients" have been studied does not necessarily mean that they are good or bad; it just means someone with a lab coat found something to study. I feel safer with some supplements than I do with certain foods. So what. Hell half the foods we eat you hear about on the news being pulled off the shelves a week later. Stfu and eat what you want or use the supplements you want and be happy. Good grief. And CAT is not a copy and pate freak, he is answering things and you do not like it. If you are going to start whiny ass threads, expect to get answers. And go ahead and comment after me like you always do. I will go get my POF kleenex and cry since I am about to go take some supplemtents. And some meat. Oh wait, maybe I better make sure the fkn Government knows I am eating, I am sure it will be recalled in a couple days anyway. NEXT. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2009 11:05:59 AM | I wish CatJandBj would attack me.
Anyway, this whole cut/paste quote and counterpunch thing sounds more what you are doing Mr. WaterBoy Bobby Beaushea.
I enjoy taking my supplements and if I am going to die from them, who the fvck cares? I am healthy and my doctor gives me a thumbs up everytime.<img src=http://www.plentyoffish.com/smiles/icon_201.gif border=0>
So how can you be so sure, Waterboy, that because of what you read that that is the truth? Looking at your pics, it doesn't seem like you workout much except that your mouth does all the work. But then you probably are all for marajuana becoming legal because it is grown.
Quit reading Woman's World, half of that stuff is made up. | |
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Msg: 39 | |
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Posted: 8/31/2009 12:01:09 PM | I'll stick with the real food - and the Adventure Race Circuit where most city folk don't dare venture
Enjoy the powdered product X, either in spoonfuls, capsules or tablet forms.
I'm 100% drug free everyday of my life - always have been, always will.
No need to alter my senses in any way from recreational drug use. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2009 1:46:29 PM |
I'll stick with the real food - and the Adventure Race Circuit where most city folk don't dare venture
Where the soil is just as polluted and inbreeding mutants abound.
Enjoy the powdered product X, either in spoonfuls, capsules or tablet forms.
Generation X was a rock group but they were way before my time and they used everything heated in a spoon, took everything known to man in a capsule, and what they couldn't get in capsule form, they created in tablet.
No need to alter my senses in any way from recreational drug use.
You should. It might make a big difference. Toodles.
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Msg: 41 | |
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Posted: 8/31/2009 2:09:02 PM | Actually, no. No inbreeding in Puerto Rico, sweetie. Our kids don't come out looking like Bobby Beaushea and their minds are intact as opposed to people who rant about things they imagine about the government, little green men, and poison in the supplements we take.
Sweetie, get this through your head: Crisco is bad for you. Frying with it, putting it through your hair, and ahem the other uses you might have for it.
I don't suppose you might live in a cave that is in the mountains somewhere, do you?
Also, I don't suppose you looked at the bottom of my profile when you were on my page did you? That nice gift is for people like you.
Have a nice day. | |
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Msg: 43 | |
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Posted: 8/31/2009 5:15:00 PM | You talking about Catjandbj? Ooooooo, you are toast.
Take geritol and eat your wheaties. What are you going to do next, tell us the world is going to end because you saw a bunch of pigeons circling your house? Don't trip over your tongue. | |
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Msg: 45 | |
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Posted: 8/31/2009 9:33:28 PM | The International Olympic Committee has repeatedly studied the standard dietary supplements used by athletes
— mostly the protein powders you buy at “health food” and grocery stores.
In 3 studies - 15% contained undeclared prohormones, 22% contained prohibited (undeclared) steroids,
14% contained undeclared caffeine or ephedrine.
http://www.canadiansportcentre.com/athlete/supplements.php
Bottom line: 1 in 5 supplements are contaminated with undeclared potentially unsafe ingredients.
(as per Kelly Anne Erdman, Canadian Sport Centre Calgary,
UofCalgary Sport Med, RD, cycling olympian).
It CAN hurt to use commercially produced protein powders.
You can also check out the Sports Illustrated May 18th article on the topic
— “What you don’t know might kill you”
Who wants a scoop of poop, Next Please | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 6:27:51 AM |
The International Olympic Committee has repeatedly studied the standard dietary supplements used by athletes
— mostly the protein powders you buy at “health food” and grocery stores.
In 3 studies - 15% contained undeclared prohormones, 22% contained prohibited (undeclared) steroids,
14% contained undeclared caffeine or ephedrine.
Source? The link you provided doesn't make this claim. And ironically, the Canadian Sport Centre is a training facility that uses its own brand of 'tested' supplements. That doesn't help support your "supplements are bad" mantra. And having your own brand of products increases your bias towards competitors, now doesn't it?
http://www.canadiansportcentre.com/athlete/supplements.php
Bottom line: 1 in 5 supplements are contaminated with undeclared potentially unsafe ingredients.
(as per Kelly Anne Erdman, Canadian Sport Centre Calgary,
UofCalgary Sport Med, RD, cycling olympian).
Source again? This is not listed in the link you provided. Not to mention the "1 in 5" stat is obviously bogus, whether by their wording or yours. The word "supplement" covers a range of products, most of which are not sports related. Trying to equate a few products with the whole industry is ignorant. It would be similar to claiming that all food is dangerous because of the Salmonella outbreaks from peanut butter.
It CAN hurt to use commercially produced protein powders.
This is truly sad. Yes, it COULD hurt you, just like peanuts CAN kill. Quick!!! Get out your tin foil hat and get into the fallout shelter.
You have no data to show that protein powders cause any significant harm outside of your alleged dangers and ideological blindness.
You can also check out the Sports Illustrated May 18th article on the topic
— “What you don’t know might kill you”
What you don't know MIGHT kill you. Who argues with that? Of course it MIGHT.
Modern man has become so intellectually lazy due to the benefits of scientific advancement in medicine and food that now he worries about infinitismally small possibilities of death. He now has to concoct boogymen to watch out for. Now that we don't have to worry about the elements or bears or lions, we now have people screaming "Watch out!!! Supplements gonna getcha!!!"
Who wants a scoop of poop, Next Please
Are you offering up your next post? None for me, thanks. | |
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Msg: 47 | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 9:05:22 AM | The Canadian Sport Centre training facility went to using its own brand of 'tested' supplements AFTER finding out the stuff on the general market shelf couldn't be trusted.
Contamination of dietary supplements and positive drug tests in sport
International Olympic Committee and of the World Anti-Doping Agency
- Some supplements contain excessive doses of potentially toxic ingredients,
while others do not contain significant amounts of the ingredients listed on the label.
There is also now evidence ingredients that are not declared on the label
such as anabolic androgenic steroids , ephedrine and caffeine occur in products.
This contamination may in most cases be the result of poor manufacturing practice,
but there is some evidence of deliberate adulteration of products.
The principle of strict liability that applies in sport means that innocent ingestion
of prohibited substances is not an acceptable excuse,
and athletes testing positive are liable to penalties.
Positive tests are likely to be the result of inadvertent ingestion of prohibited substances
present in otherwise innocuous dietary supplements.
Journal of Sports Sciences, Volume 23, Issue 9 September 2005 , pages 883 - 889
Subject: Sport & Exercise Science;
Give the cat another bj | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 12:01:50 PM |
The Canadian Sport Centre training facility went to using its own brand of 'tested' supplements AFTER finding out the stuff on the general market shelf couldn't be trusted.
Contamination of dietary supplements and positive drug tests in sport
International Olympic Committee and of the World Anti-Doping Agency
- Some supplements contain excessive doses of potentially toxic ingredients,
while others do not contain significant amounts of the ingredients listed on the label.
There is also now evidence ingredients that are not declared on the label
such as anabolic androgenic steroids , ephedrine and caffeine occur in products.
This contamination may in most cases be the result of poor manufacturing practice,
but there is some evidence of deliberate adulteration of products.
The principle of strict liability that applies in sport means that innocent ingestion
of prohibited substances is not an acceptable excuse,
and athletes testing positive are liable to penalties.
Positive tests are likely to be the result of inadvertent ingestion of prohibited substances
present in otherwise innocuous dietary supplements.
Journal of Sports Sciences, Volume 23, Issue 9 September 2005 , pages 883 - 889
Subject: Sport & Exercise Science;
Your fervent desire to show the dangers of "supplements" by any and all means is getting tiring. You have shown reports of "alleged" dangers and cases of low risk (even compared to risks by common foods). The above article is directed towards professional athletes who are held to organizational standards not applicable to the general public.
Can one find cases of adulterated products, products with minimal to no amounts of the claimed ingredients and ingredients that have caused personal injury? Yes. But there is no product in the world that doesn't have this possibility. The real world doesn't exist in perfection, but in costs/benefits and marginal utility. The supplement industry, for all it's "unregulated" status, has demonstrated a very LOW risk to the general public. You haven't presented anything to counter this, save allegations and rhetoric of "dangers".
Give the cat another bj
Oh, how can one possibly come back from such a scathing wit as yours?? | |
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Msg: 50 | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 2:29:27 PM | Scientist of what ??? ...He hasn't come forth with his credentials
The Scientists are an influential post-punk band from Perth, Australia,
led by Kim Salmon, initially known as Exterminators and then Invaders.
Would-be experts and untested products feed a $20 billion obsession
with better performance across all levels of sports
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1155395/index.htm
There are exceptionally low barriers to entry into the industry
and the article emphasizes the lack of credentials needed to start
a supplement business via the Internet.
Certificates of Analysis are just useless pieces of paper that can say anything
the bribe maker wants them to say.
If these regulations were enforced there would be none of the issues cited in the article.
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