| Pissing on electric fences
Posted: 8/20/2009 6:53:27 AM | First: quietjohn2 that whole post is so riddled with untruths and misinformation I consider it an assault on facts and below the effort to dispute the cumulative mistakes
Please read prior posts on page one.
OP .. I talked to an older rancher friend of mine about the possibility of some uncommercial practice or antique piece of equipment that was capable delivering electrocution. He said that he used to hook up his fence wire directly to 120vac line voltage from time to time. It's called a weed burner and the purpose was so that when the grass / weeds would get to tall and get into the line lowering it's effectiveness by grounding it slightly along the path they would hook up line voltage directly to the fence wire. The line voltage does have sufficient amperage to burn the weeds at the height of the wire and kill the weed /grass ... and some unfortunate soul who was unlucky enough to not see it, however even that does not have sufficient power to instantly burn a human in the manner you described.
SO .. even with that possibility ... as almost everyone has stated .. it's impossible | |
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| Pissing on electric fences
Posted: 8/20/2009 10:18:42 AM |
that whole post is so riddled with untruths and misinformation I consider it an assault on facts and below the effort to dispute the cumulative mistakes Thanks for your insights, lemon.
I verified every point I made, so I'd really appreciate your insights on where the facts are incorrect. I'm sure others may like to know too..... Please!
I'll even give you a checklist to make it easy for you... just put a cross against the ones that you agree with.
I lied about the cat.
Hooking up a fence to 3-phase domestic power isn't illegal.
3-phase voltage values are incorrect.
The voltage effects on humans are wrong.
The resistance of humans is wrong.
The current generated in humans by a voltage is wrong.
The electric fence voltage is wrong.
Duration of electric fence pulses are wrong.
Taser voltages are wrong.
Train power line voltages are wrong.
Train overhead wire voltage in India is wrong.
Wire area/amperage capacity is relationship is wrong.
Power distribution (not transmission) line voltages are wrong.
The design criteria for power transmission lines are misstated.
The relationship between volts, amps and resistance is misstated.
OK, OK, so rubber boots may not protect you from a lethal shock! - I was wrong - once! | |
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| Pissing on electric fences
Posted: 8/20/2009 1:38:07 PM | Ok .. Now I could go through and dispute what was said or what I think is wrong.
That really isn't the issue here is it?
I think that it could be more accurately stated that my post was not a presentation of facts contrary to the post itself but more of an insinuation of a lack of intelligence and integrity directed towards you.
An unprofessional, and unwarranted insinuation. This is the second time my lack of understanding of human nature or my own has led me to being berated.
I think that some of what you said is inaccurate but that by default does not entitle me to say what I did or present your post as not having any merit.
I apologize.
I'm really not an ass, but sometimes my actions and words can prove otherwise. There is a learning curve here and in light of recent statements (you wern't the first to hit me back with truth thinly layered in sarcasm today) I think I shall refrain from posting until maybe I have thought a little more about how what I am wanting to say can be interpreted or how it is directed. | |
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| Pissing on electric fences
Posted: 8/20/2009 1:56:28 PM | Lemonlime:
Apology accepted. I see that you have recently joined POF, so welcome to the forums - and good luck with your fishing! It may also be worth pointing out that forums are a good way to meet and get to know people. Your posts reflect who you are - and, unless you choose to blank them, your last 5 posts appear on your profile.
Wading into forums and being a little heavy-handed is easy to do until you realize people bite back!
Perhaps to help you get up to speed, here are a couple of threads on forum rules and suggestions:
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts1345738.aspx
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts141520.aspx
There are others but mostly repeat the contents of these 2
Other than that, I am more than willing to be corrected - as you seem to be - and I can't figure out how to add to that without making it sound like a taunt. | |
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| Pissing on electric fences
Posted: 8/20/2009 8:21:01 PM | | It is possible if you are close enough so the urine stream doesn't break up, as once it does, it can't conduct a charge to the "host". There is a story on Darwin which I think is true. It happened right here in Northridge where I live. We have high voltage power lines running next to Northridge. A couple of teenagers decided on a hot summer day to practice their climbing and repelling skills on a tower. Since it was hot, they were wearing shorts and muscle shirts. At one point one of the teens took a break after climbing up onto the platform just above the high tension lines. He leaned back against the tower (his shoulder making direct contact with the metal) and decided it would be fun to pis on the line. Well he got enough of a shock that it threw him from the tower and he died in the fall. It didn't howerver, fry any of his body parts. But I disagree there is insufficient power to burn you. High voltage/amperage is a very dangerous and unpredictable thing. | |
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| Pissing on electric fences
Posted: 8/23/2009 12:34:23 AM | Myth busters?... Amateurs... Let's call Johnny Knoxville...
Ought to be a cinch to get him to test this out in the next 'Jackass" movie... | |
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| Pissing on electric fences
Posted: 8/23/2009 2:44:34 AM | A couple of weeks ago I found out I was holding an exposed power wire to the house mains when my landlord flipped the power on. Luckily I was on the upper floor, wood floorboards, was only lightly touching the exposed part of the wire, and all in all it felt like the time I once leaned on a cow fence. Gave me a real adrenalin burst though.
Household electrocutions were/are probably a greater danger when the old wire and ceramic type fuses were being used, as wire fusing is not an exact science and the wire itself may pass as much as four times the listed amp rating before burning out. Nowadays, so long as the modern breaker switches legally required are being used the power cuts the moment the amps go above the listed rating. You're much less likely to cop something like 60amps for several long seconds with that hairdryer in the bathtub.
And yes mantraps are illegal in Australia, which restricts any kind of electrical fencing including security fences in terms of effect, in addition to any international guidelines. The ones I've leaned on just make your knees buckle. | |
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| Pissing on electric fences
Posted: 8/23/2009 10:21:59 AM | Actually, in montreal the subways are powered by an electrical current running through two open tracks, make contact with both and ZAP! I have read newspaper articles of people doing just that, standing on one rail and pissing on the other and get eletrocuted.
A lesser-known accident occurred a couple of years back when a driver, waiting for his train to turn around at the designated area north of the Henri Bourassa station, made the mistake of urinating on the tracks. The liquid hit the juiced-up rails and the electricity killed him.
http://www.montrealmirror.com/ARCHIVES/2003/112703/kristian.html | |
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