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Posted: 8/23/2009 2:11:35 AM | This is a travesty... May we not negotiate towards a compromise?...
We're willing to accept "Last Three Forum Posts" as an alternative...
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Posted: 8/23/2009 5:39:29 AM | | To Me Oog, yes I am aware that one can pay for the "privilege" of having a gold dot on their profile. Since it is an option and not a requirement, the site is still free for those of us who choose not to have the dot/seal. | |
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Posted: 8/23/2009 6:14:07 AM | I can usually understand the business reason that Admin changes things he does. In the case of listing the number of favorites and the last 5 forum posts, I really can't come up with a theory.
Following someone's forum posts was the reason that most people were on my favorites list, or I was on theirs. As candid1 mentioned, some people seem to consistently find interesting threads, and checking posts of my favorites was a good way to find good threads.
It doesn't make all that much difference in the grand scheme of things, of course, but those were nice features, and I'm sorry to see them gone. | |
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Posted: 8/23/2009 6:50:57 AM |
So the mods can take the time to delete the thread, or clean the thread. But they can not take the time to inform their customer base?
Remember:
Moderators will have limited understanding of how new features work. I(admin) create and test new features in a matter of hours and constantly tweak things to see how they work. Many new features will be in a constant state of flux. Should a feature not enhance the site it will be removed.
Its posted at the top of this forum
A common misconception Moderators are "Forum Moderators" and as such are not aware nor privy to the whims of site administration.
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Posted: 8/23/2009 7:00:25 AM | ^^^That's understandable. What I don't like is how admin removed both features, and just left us all sitting here feeling lost, and wondering why the features were removed. I HIGHLY doubt both features were removed, because they didn't enhance the site. They were obviously removed, because of the number of complaints from users.
People who weren't comfortable, and insecure about the fave count, and having their posts shown on their profiles. | |
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Posted: 8/23/2009 8:13:01 AM | GOOD - Getting rid of the Favorites count on our profiles. To me this was long overdo since it seemed to be the single, biggest bone of contention with women that wrote me. It might have been a good concept at the beginning, but it turned into an exercise in vanity (for those who pandered to viewers in order to pad their count) and jealousy (those that saw high counts and automatically assumed it equalled slut or player).
BAD - Eliminating the "Last 5 forums posts". It was a productive feature that helped people gauge your views and opinions on a variety of subjects. I don't recall getting even one single bad comment or email about it. In my opinion, this should be brought back. | |
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Posted: 8/23/2009 8:46:02 AM | I have to agree about the Fav's They really did help .Would have been nice if we could have at least voted on keeping it .I already have been coming on here less and less This is Not the only dating site....... | |
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Posted: 8/23/2009 9:00:07 AM | | The reason I dont pay out to be a "serious" member on here is because of the way features just change on here without any warning or indeed canvassing on what we think. I understand that the site has to move with the times but a voting system would make us feel like our opinions were valued. Just a suggestion. | |
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Posted: 8/23/2009 9:16:47 AM | | ^^^ Paying to become a "Serious" member was a concession to all those who think the only way to show dating worthiness is to pay money to be on a dating site. I went the pay route on other sites and found the exact opposite. Most members were narcissistic, arrogant, high maintenance, and much more money-obsessed than on here, at least before the Gold Membership thing started. I vowed to never join another again. If this site goes mandatory pay I'm gone. | |
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Posted: 8/23/2009 9:35:38 AM | When the forums wouldn't come up the other day... I went into panic mode, lost and forlorn... the favs were gone, the posts were gone... I was skeered ~ sniff~ whine ~ I tried getting in through the back door (searching it) and I found some interesting reading that rated POF. The highlight of the site, according to the review, seemed to be forums. I concur. The forums are awesome.
When I joined last year, I had come from another paid site that left me feeling yuck about the whole dating process. POF, even after the urge to date had gone, kept me here wholly due to the forums. I still date, but it's not the reason I log on. It's the forums. Having the links on the profile gave me the ability to bounce back and forth keeping my toes in both waters. The pools are separate now.
Those on the dating side may never even explore the world of the forums - newbies don't click around despite the display on the toolbars. It is the links on the profile that make you go "hmmm"?
Late's post suggesting a URL made me feel better, so I tried doing the link to history, but it's not displaying as a clickable link. Wah.... The last 5 posts feature was a keeper. The suggestion of programmable on/off was good, but probably too complicated from a programming point of view.
Can the bigfish do a survey and ask the users what they liked/disliked? | |
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Posted: 8/23/2009 9:39:30 AM |
features just change on here without any warning
Yes, this is a major concern - not giving the stakeholders - PoF membership, an opinion on features that will be available or discontinued. To be honest, if I were a paying member, I would not be happy to see features disappear rather than being enhanced.
I also relied on the last 5 posts when reviewing someone's profile. And it was the SOLE method in my choosing favourites as well. Now I have to rely on an often scanty profile. Or are these features that are being removed only to be replaced to the advantage of paying members?
I think from this point on I will be here on a very limited basis. I don't see any benefit to complaining about people who create profiles to bypass my filters (nothing seems to be done) or those who are abusive in forums (name calling etc.) That's already a large enough group to police.
Who really cares whether the favourites or last 5 forum postings cater to certain groups on an unfair basis? If you are concerned about gaming or intimidation in writing to users with a high volume of favourites - so what? Members should know in advance that if they write to someone with 500+ favourites that they will receive a low response rate. Should we really care whether some people are "collecting" favourites? And what happened to personal accountability? I see the removal of the last 5 posts as only creating more work for mods now that some people feel little accountability for their posting practices.
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Posted: 8/23/2009 9:47:10 AM |
Or are these features that are being removed only to be replaced to the advantage of paying members?
Ahh you may have a point there, well let's just wait and see hmmm. If that does happen then I will be most miffed!! | |
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Posted: 8/23/2009 9:49:42 AM | I don't care about the favorites, however, I did like to be able to see the forums post on profiles. When I logged on to my profile it was easier to hit the link to my posts and then figure out who has responded, etc. I also enjoyed reading what others wrote. Most of my favorites were fellow forumites so it was cool to be able to read their last 5 posts as well. Now it's too cumbersome to search for what my favorites are posting and who has responded to the forums I posted to.
Lastly, most folks are not aware of the forums and they would be turned-on via finding them via someones profile. IMO not having them show up on profiles is less advertising for the forums and may result in fewer 'new' folks joining the forum bandwagon.
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Posted: 8/23/2009 9:55:54 AM | As far as features being changed without user feedback, in defense of Markus, this is still basically a free site. He can do what he wants.
Moreover, any terms of service (TOS) for any business stipulates the owner or administrators reserve the right to change or modify anything they see fit, for any reason. It would be nice to have user feedback in all things, but it’s certainly not “required”.
Btw, there have been many threads regarding the favs feature in the forums over the years, so the feedback has been more than ample for POF to make a decision. I’ve never seen or heard of an issue with the profile "forums posts" feature, though? I was surprised it went away since I never knew people had a problem with it. | |
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Posted: 8/23/2009 10:00:17 AM |
And maybe in time other features such as the forums?
Yes, I've certainly been bashed on the forums, and have contributed to some bashing myself. But gosh, if the forums disappeared for the great unwashed (nonpaying) masses, I'd be gone. And I don't think we'd know about it beforehand either. You'd just log-in one day and find that you could no longer post. The numerous changes that occur here, and the lack of advance notice of these changes are unfortunately, not reflective of the service levels available IRL. I realize that the site is free, and I truly think it is a great site, moreso as of last week though.
The possible disappearance of the forums would mean that we'd be dealing with a site where only a few people (paying members) could contribute to the diversity of the forums. And as it stands now, paying members cannot even search for other paying members. Wouldn't you think that would be one of the first groups to be appeased? The paying members?
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Posted: 8/23/2009 10:04:00 AM | | WHAT?! It's gone forever? The favorite thing doesn't bother me. Matter of fact I had just deleted all of mine before it happened. But why the forum box? Why can't it be optional? Ugh. | |
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Posted: 8/23/2009 10:12:34 AM | I dont understand either why the favourites has been removed
The site keeps on changing many times and mostly it turned out crap.
Just like the favourites.
I dont really care if I only have 4 favourites since I became a member here last December..my point is why you have to delete it if some people have 1 million fish favourites?Who knows some of them were dead ,carcass,frozen,salted ,stinky fish?
You cannot please everybody...you started and designed the fave lists and it became a part of the sucess of your lucky fortune so why you decided to delete it at this time?
By removing the favourite lists,you cut half the fun...(thats cruel)
Markus,put back the fave.lists and let it stay that way.
Dont be so eager to keep on changing what you have started because it looks good that way it was also,if it aint broken then dont fix it as you came out screwed and look retarded. | |
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Posted: 8/23/2009 10:19:30 AM | The profile favorites count was by far the most contentious issue for many on here.
The bad feedback far outweighed the positive from what I saw. Most who saw a high count immediately formed a negative opinion about the person, even though the count was made up of people that added the person's profile to "their" lists, not the other way around.
We can't change human psychology and jealous behavior, so the next best thing is to simply take away the issue altogether by removing the favs count people see on our profiles. I, for one, have no problem with its removal. | |
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Posted: 8/23/2009 10:30:34 AM | I'm glad the favourites and the postings have gone. Can we have any reassurance that they are going to stay gone? If I post something personally embarassing, is it suddenly going to appear at the bottom of my profile when I least expect it?
The most valuable use of the favourites was as an indicator that someone wasn't at all popular. There was often a good reason for this if they weren't new to the site. If a guy was reasonable looking, sounded OK on his profile, and wasn't new, it was a bit of a red flag. He might have deleted them himself, but I found in at least two cases that unpleasant, sleazy characters were lurking there. They were charming on PoF but as soon as they got onto IM they turned into creeps, sending explicit photos and using crude language. These people had no favourites and I wish I'd noticed that beforehand. One claimed his profile had been accidentally closed down before. Hmm ...
Some indicator that a person has an untarnished reputation on PoF would be a really good feature, earned through lack of multiple complaints maybe? | |
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Posted: 8/23/2009 10:38:05 AM | And now my favorites gone...I feel so unloved already...they were handy...you know a rude persons not gonna have a lot of favorites...it was handy for that reason...Us girls gotta have some help to find good guys... Your way too simple minded about it. I am certainly the most decent fun guy on this site and I only had 1.5 friends. I dont find too many ladies near me worth talking to so my count is really low. If a lady is sexy and interesting to me, then I will talk to her. If she is not, then I will be polite, but I decline the on going chats. Then Im eventually deleted.
So there you go. It really did more harm than good because now I know ladies probably assumed I was wierd or dangerous. All the better they did away with it. There are better ways to deal with dangerous people and that is to simply report and delete them. This way the good guys dont end up shareing in the bad rap. | |
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Posted: 8/23/2009 10:42:27 AM | There is NO way you can gauge a person's suitability to date just by a favs count alone, since we all have the ability to delete ourselves off another's list.
Unofficially, I've found low counts are usually for that very reason. People just don't like being added to another's list if there was no possibility of serious follow up.
High counts were by far the bigger problem regarding skewered image. Most see a high favs count and automatically believe the person must be a popularity whore (woman) or a gigolo player (man). Unless one constantly monitors the count and continually deletes it down to practically zero, it would continue to give those negative connotations. I, for one, got tired of constantly monitoring the favs count and pruning when necessary, and I'm sure my irritation was shared.
Since POF, or anyone else, can't change the psychology behind this negative view, the best fix was to eliminate it altogether.
I do wish POF brings back the "Last 5 forums posts", though. The bad feedback was nowhere near the level of the favs count.
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Posted: 8/23/2009 10:43:39 AM |
Some indicator that a person has an untarnished reputation on PoF would be a really good feature, earned through lack of multiple complaints maybe?
And WHO will be the final arbiter of that? Those same people selecting you as favourites? You're replacing one peer evaluation method with another peer evaluation method. Each method will be flawed. | |
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Posted: 8/23/2009 10:47:20 AM |
The profile favorites count was by far the most contentious issue for many on here.
Far more contentious was the whole issue of "read and not responded....... - what does it all mean?" Far more appropriate to remove the ability to see what people have done with email messages, and eliminate this particular insecurity which apparently keeps some people up at night.
Better yet, find a way to remove all dating insecurities by simply not dating.
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