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 motownmaniax

Joined: 8/13/2006
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Posted: 8/23/2009 10:47:43 AM
^^^ Agree. Hers was the first time I heard a "low" count being a bad indicator of dating suitability??

I'm a heavy forums user and I assure you, the "read and not responded" issue paled in comparison to the favs count issue. Btw, whether someone reads, or doesn't read, or responds or doesn't respond to an email is NOT something POF can program into their site. There are times I simply don't want to respond to someone, and I feel that's my right. Believe me, if you're for POF "forcing" us to respond to every message we get, POF users will run you out of town...lol. Favs count visibility can be programmed away without any perceptible negative effect on the user's profile. That simple.
 4_All_Seasons_CA

Joined: 7/22/2007
Msg: 52
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Posted: 8/23/2009 10:52:08 AM
To Balled Eagle: Just tried your suggestion in Msg: 24; works just fine! Thanks for the tip!
 Balled Eagle

Joined: 2/12/2009
Msg: 53
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Posted: 8/23/2009 10:57:45 AM
^^^^
Great. You are most welcome.
I do suggest you put the URL all in one line, not wrapping at the right-hand margin, for then it will be easier for folks to select for a copy-n-paste.
 stts

Joined: 5/16/2009
Msg: 54
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Posted: 8/23/2009 11:00:54 AM
Far more contentious was the whole issue of "read and not responded....... - what does it all mean?" Far more appropriate to remove the ability to see what people have done with email messages, and eliminate this particular insecurity which apparently keeps some people up at night.


Now that is a stupid idea. It tells me alot to see what happened to the email I spend my time to compose. If she responds, then she is clear and considerate no mater what she decides. If she reads and no responce, she is ruder than I am looking for. If she deletes without even reading, she is a piece of crap no mater how sweet she makes herself out to be in her ad. There is a ton of good information smart people can glean from simply how considerate she is with others emails. The way I see it, if she is going to post open invitation for suitors, reasonable politeness is the name of the game. If your not polite enough for even a thank you, then you shouldnt be soliciting interest.
 late™

Joined: 1/9/2005
Msg: 55
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Posted: 8/23/2009 11:05:44 AM
There is NO way you can gauge a person's suitability to date just by a favs count alone, since we all have the ability to delete ourselves off another's list.


Which is why it's pointless to publish the # on profiles, just for the futility involved in trying to broaden many people's myopic view of "what it means".

See post#6

http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts8104038.aspx


I do wish POF brings back the "Last 5 forums posts", though. The bad feedback was nowhere near the level of the favs count.


Actually, the negative feedback was probably way past the level of favs complaints.

It could be that fixing the HTML glitch problems and the block quote issue (other's comments "appearing" as the user's) is too much effort compared to just dropping it entirely. It could be that any one of the three specific desired outcomes that Admin implemented the "last 5 post" feature for is no longer desired.


Further, Admin was and always has been crystal clear in regards to priorities r.e. Dating Site/Forums, in this regard you can be sure that he didn't just kill the feature on a whim.

the whole issue of "read and not responded....... - what does it all mean?"

Scroll to the bottom of post #2

http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingposts4950746.aspx


 CheshireCatalyst

Joined: 9/14/2007
Msg: 56
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Posted: 8/23/2009 11:13:37 AM

[Believe me, if you're for POF "forcing" us to respond to every message we get, POF users will run you out of town


Not sure how you derived that from my response. I’m in favour of removing the feature altogether. No one can force you to respond to a message. Otherwise I’d be the first one outta town.


It tells me alot to see what happened to the email I spend my time to compose. If she responds, then she is clear and considerate no mater what she decides. If she reads and no responce, she is ruder than I am looking for. If she deletes without even reading. She is a piece of crap no mater how sweet she makes herself out to be in her ad. There is a ton of good information smart people can glean from simply how considerate she is with others emails


Or the email you don’t spend time composing. What is time well-spent composing to you is not necessarily time well-spent to someone else. If you had read the many posting about responding to messages, you would see that very often, even well-crafted messages are ignored because a few bad apples have spoilt it for everyone by contesting a simple “No thanks but good luck” message. It happens to me once or twice a week when I explain to someone that "I don't think we're a good match."

I’m not trying to confront you in any way, but some people don’t respond to messages with spelling errors either. It doesn’t mean that you or she is a piece of crap, but that a filtering process is being applied. Also, sometimes people read something in a profile that is deal-breaker but they don’t want to have to explain it, and it’s simpler to not reply. I’m not excusing it, but your conclusions about a person’s merit are the result of faulty logic.

Be well.....
 stts

Joined: 5/16/2009
Msg: 57
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Posted: 8/23/2009 11:25:54 AM

Or the email you don’t spend time composing. What is time well-spent composing to you is not necessarily time well-spent to someone else. If you had read the many posting about responding to messages, you would see that very often, even well-crafted messages are ignored because a few bad apples have spoilt it for everyone by contesting a simple “No thanks but good luck” message. It happens to me once or twice a week when I explain to someone that "I don't think we're a good match."

I’m not trying to confront you in any way, but some people don’t respond to messages with spelling errors either. It doesn’t mean that you or she is a piece of crap, but that a filtering process is being applied. Also, sometimes people read something in a profile that is deal-breaker but they don’t want to have to explain it, and it’s simpler to not reply. I’m not excusing it, but your conclusions about a person’s merit are the result of faulty logic.


There is nothing faulty about the logic. I can and do send very polite no thanks to all unsuitable ladies. One did go off on me, but I did my part and I never reponded to her any more. It was a closed issue. And there may be good people that picked up bad internet manners. But since they are not responding, again, its a dead issue and I move on. But I am certain, that a lady with good manners is going to be a higher probability of being a keeper that those that have poor manners. Because those that respond, can work out any misjudgements that can occure. Like your spelling example. Ladies find me to be highly educated and in touch, but have a quirk where I cant spell my way out of a paper bag. Its a brain thing in the tiny sector that remembers spelling. A communicator will quickly work that out. A trash bin dumper will simply miss out.
 motownmaniax

Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 58
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Posted: 8/23/2009 11:29:29 AM
Actually, the negative feedback (regarding “Last 5 forums posts”) was probably way past the level of favs complaints.


In what context are you talking about? People complained just “seeing” the feature, or problems with forums posting in general? I hardly think people were writing POF to get rid of seeing “Last 5 forums posts” just because it was simply there? I have had not “one” complaint about it all the time I’ve been on here. I can’t tell you, however, how many nasty, sarcastic, and negative emails I got about my favs count. One of the biggest complaints I ever read in the forums regarding profile features was the favs count.

To me, there was no comparison?

If you were to take a quick poll about both I bet most would say the favs count was a bigger issue than forums posts. Many on here never even “write” in the forums, so wouldn’t have the feature show up on their profiles in the first place. But we “all” had the favs count visible, even if it was just zero. We had no choice.
 late™

Joined: 1/9/2005
Msg: 59
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Posted: 8/23/2009 11:43:18 AM

I hardly think people were writing POF to get rid of seeing “Last 5 forums posts” just because it was simply there? I have had not “one” complaint about it all the time I’ve been on here.


I wasn't aware that you are in a position to field complaints. I have been, and I can tell you from empirical experience that this is indeed the case.


If you were to take a quick poll


Why, I already know what the issue was over many years of having to close innumerable threads on the subject in this forum?
 motownmaniax

Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 60
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Posted: 8/23/2009 11:48:58 AM
No problem. If that's what you've been getting then that's it. I'm just glad the favs count is gone. I'd like to see the forums posts feature back but no biggie.
 late™

Joined: 1/9/2005
Msg: 61
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Posted: 8/23/2009 11:55:01 AM
I'd like to see the forums posts feature back


If you go to the very first thread on the subject (back in 2005), you'll see that it was well supported, though many would have preferred a simple "Forum Posting History" link. At the time there was no URLs allowed at all on profiles (for obvious reasons), but URLs originating from POF are now (and have been for a while), exempt from the scammer/spammer filters the site uses to delete bogus profiles.

Those who choose to can include their History URL on their profile. So there is at least that option.
 motownmaniax

Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 62
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Posted: 8/23/2009 12:03:38 PM
Thanks, Late. That's good information to know. I'll try it out.

Does POF allow html coding of the history URL in our profiles, Late? That way people can just click on it to take them there in one step.
 jazmella

Joined: 2/23/2006
Msg: 63
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Posted: 8/23/2009 12:16:45 PM
Why can't we just have the option of choosing whether or not we wish to display our last 5 forum posts? "Check this box if you wish to display your last 5 forum posts: __"? If you want it shown, great! If not, no worries, you don't have to have it displayed.
 motownmaniax

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Posted: 8/23/2009 12:19:26 PM
I was advocating the same thing with the favs count (on the numerous threads Late mentioned above). Even though I hate it with a passion, I do know some (for whatever reason) like the feature. I wanted to be democratic and at least give those that want it displayed the choice to do it. The same can be with the forums posts. Programming choice into our profiles should not be difficult. But I understand what Markus wants, Markus gets...lol. There's no use fighting city hall.
 jazmella

Joined: 2/23/2006
Msg: 65
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Posted: 8/23/2009 12:25:30 PM
Yes! Having choices is a good thing. And it leaves both sides happy!
 Spagett!

Joined: 8/9/2009
Msg: 66
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Posted: 8/23/2009 12:37:09 PM
Puddles:

I saw that about 17 minutes after I made my post, in another thread you were participating in. :-P

Anyways, keywords are: 17, minutes, and edit.

Apologies for ignorance, now *clears throat/fingers*

If the admin can administer the site, you think they could add a 'reason to the rhyme' when they remove the rhyme. (IE We want people to be able to lie easier, so we removed the last 5 forum posts.)

No hogwash about searching via forums, that is the defense from the people that don't like the truth known about them. I liked the 5 extra forum posts, I took them into consideration when writing my profile. I am sure many others have done the same thing, well as long as the statement remains past tense. (Bad call, in my opinion (And many others.))

Quality, we don't need no stinking quality.
 late™

Joined: 1/9/2005
Msg: 67
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Posted: 8/23/2009 12:40:28 PM
Does POF allow html coding of the history URL in our profiles, Late?


No, just the BBC tags (and emoticons) mentioned in the edit window, I doubt that unauthorized tags will even "take".
(and I'm not going to risk tripping a filter to find out)

No hogwash about searching via forums, that is the defense from the people that don't like the truth known about them.

When does offering a viable option become a "defense"?

Many features get pulled based on the fact that some people make presuppositions about other people based entirely on myopic ignorance. That this is evident can be confirmed just by reading this thread.

The "reason" he implemented the "Last 5" feature was three-fold, and a matter of record. What is obvious is that what he wanted out of that feature is no longer desired by him.
 CordlessTaco

Joined: 1/28/2006
Msg: 68
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Posted: 8/23/2009 12:47:30 PM
As I stated in the other thread, I'm glad the Favorites are gone. Good riddance. I don't really care either way about the "5 last posts." Doing a basic search since the favorites were taken away, I see a lot less wannabe underwear models on here. Some of them have deleted there accounts now they can't broadcast their popularity. I would think this would be good for women as well. Less provocatively dressed women attracting the pervs might mean they won't come here as much either.
 woobytoodsday

Joined: 12/13/2006
Msg: 69
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Posted: 8/23/2009 1:04:58 PM
Just a note. Hadn't really thought/worried much about favs -- but since they've gone, I realize that, in some ways, they were a comfort, lol! My hunny had 8, and has always had just that eight. And in an odd way that modest sweet number was reassuring. . . . Not enough of a psychologist to understand why, but now his profile looks "naked" to me. As do lots of others. Odd, eh?

One difference between the forum history link, and the links to last posts, is the history link takes you to page one, and where the particular peep is is up to you to go through the whole thread; the last posts generally took you to the actual post, or at least the page.

Wish both were optional. In fact, lol!, if they were optional on the paid membership, I'd prolly pay. (Did I say that outloud? My bad. . . )

 motownmaniax

Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 70
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Posted: 8/23/2009 1:05:14 PM
Definitely right about the tags not taking...already tried. Glad it didn't blow anything up. I used to host POF parties and tried to link the party url's from my profile way back when. It didn't work then, either.

I hear ya, Taco. All the ones that used the favs count as some kind of popularity contest are crying the blues now. Awww, too bad.
 late™

Joined: 1/9/2005
Msg: 71
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Posted: 8/23/2009 2:00:58 PM

One difference between the forum history link, and the links to last posts, is the history link takes you to page one, and where the particular peep is is up to you to go through the whole thread; the last posts generally took you to the actual post, or at least the page.


Nope, See:

http://forums.plentyoffish.com/usermessages.aspx?user_Id=2999121
 REDDRAGON.

Joined: 10/9/2008
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Posted: 8/23/2009 2:12:22 PM

As I stated in the other thread, I'm glad the Favorites are gone. Good riddance. I don't really care either way about the "5 last posts." Doing a basic search since the favorites were taken away, I see a lot less wannabe underwear models on here. Some of them have deleted there accounts now they can't broadcast their popularity. I would think this would be good for women as well. Less provocatively dressed women attracting the pervs might mean they won't come here as much either.


And you actually think a few little profile option changes is going to stop things like that
happening? please.

It's a hungry beast and it's out of control.



(those that saw high counts and automatically assumed it equalled slut or player).



Mo...I don't care what they say ..I don't think you are a player.
 ~Music

Joined: 7/4/2008
Msg: 73
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Posted: 8/23/2009 2:17:08 PM
Haven't tried it yet but possibly the cut/paste feature is an option for the profile.
So what was the big boom over the forum post feature? Surely it was more than posters being embarrassed. Sorry but a no class action will generally reap the truth. Surely it was more than some manipulating the forums for their profiles. Again, the truth will reap. Surely there is another way to put a halt to posters that are known for their debates within the forums. For me the forums is a matter of choice of any poster and most definitely a better feature to reap the truth with.
 motownmaniax

Joined: 8/13/2006
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Posted: 8/23/2009 2:29:32 PM

Mo...I don't care what they say ..I don't think you are a player.


Thanks RO. There's at least one vote. Please tell your friends...lol.
 woobytoodsday

Joined: 12/13/2006
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Posted: 8/23/2009 2:46:44 PM
late™ ~~ lol! Sorry, I was unclear -- I meant if you hit the forum link from the history page, it takes you to page one of the thread. This time around, however, I *did* notice that it gives the post number, so barring the 100 page long threads that gives you a pretty good idea which page they're on.

Sometimes it's not so much what they said, in that post, as seeing their interaction with the other posters. . . .

ThanX!
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