| Are vegans and PETA more moral and ethical than society?
Posted: 10/2/2009 11:16:21 PM |
You kill to eat just like the rest of us
Coming from a farming background, I have probably personally killed more animals than anyone here. I have nothing against anyone killing anything if they are going to eat it. Go ahead, grab a gun or a knife and have at er.
I have also worked in factory farms, and I am telling you that anyone who truly knows and understands what these sentient beings go through and still supports factory farming is not human.
The slave trade was bad, but this era of factory farming will go down in the history books as our most barbaric inhumane era of all time. | |
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| Are vegans and PETA more moral and ethical than society?
Posted: 10/3/2009 3:19:59 AM |
this era of factory farming will go down in the history books as our most barbaric inhumane era of all time.
The only thing I can say in defense of corporations is that they aren't biased; they treat people the same as they treat the other cattle. | |
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| Are vegans and PETA more moral and ethical than society?
Posted: 10/3/2009 4:00:08 AM | vegens i find hilarious.. no amount of suppliment vitamens or what ever will ever be as good for you as the real deal, we are predators.
look at it this way, if you live in the jungle or the african plains... do you think a lion or tiger would think twice about hunting you down for dinner? no, so this love for all of nature is rather one sided.. and if there was a god, i would thank him... an 8oz steak cooked blue....yum yum..all those juices.. lovely stuff...
I'm a meat lovin' predator and i am staying true to being human and not tryng to be something we weren't born to be. :) | |
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| Are vegans and PETA more moral and ethical than society?
Posted: 10/3/2009 4:19:39 AM |
yum yum..all those juices.. lovely stuff...
I'm a meat lovin' predator and i am staying true to being human and not tryng to be something we weren't born to be.
Have you tried people yet?...Delicious!! 
You shouldn't be proud to call yourself "human." If you are not a moral agent, there is no difference between you and the lion, or any other animal. | |
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| Are vegans and PETA more moral and ethical than society?
Posted: 10/3/2009 8:37:46 AM |
I'm a meat lovin' predator and i am staying true to being human and not tryng to be something we weren't born to be.
Ah yes, the great white predator,
As he stealthily stalks his prey, being careful not to arouse the attention of his victim.
Slowly now, he peers up over the ledge, and pounces, grabbing on with both hands.
His meal now secure in his grasp he moves quickly now with anticipation of the upcoming feast, ,,over to the checkout isle… 25% off loin chops. What a deal. | |
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| Are vegans and PETA more moral and ethical than society?
Posted: 10/3/2009 8:56:31 AM | I squash tens of hundreds of insects on my daily route between places at work, from the garbage to the street, etc. It is an artifact of bipedal motion. While I might find steping on bugs slightly unethical, I value my locomotion more. Same with eating meat. Its an unfortunate consequence of satisfying an imperative.
Now if I started raising chickens as pets, and giving them names, and celebrating their birthdays, and putting their photos in a keepsake album before I mercilessly ripped them in half with my bare hands, and sucked the nutrients out of their still twitching corpses, that would be 'out there'. Otherwise, it is simply a compromise. While I could possibly get the nutrition from somewhere else, I do not feel like walking around like a malnourished 3rd world gnat eyed zombie while I figure out where.
Simply being aware of the ethics of a situation, does not mean upholding those ethics is necessarily a good practice. Sometimes you have to take more than you would give, to get what you need. | |
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| Are vegans and PETA more moral and ethical than society?
Posted: 10/3/2009 10:53:13 AM | f*** peta
they are the ultimate hypocrites. You probably already know that PETA is an organization that lobbies for the ethical treatment of animals. They are involved with picketing companies that use animal testing models. Recently they filed USDA complaints against arizona state university students who were conducting an experiment to observe the influence of a drug on a rabbits heart rate [1]. Specificaly the complaint read that students were 'injecting rabbits with drugs while observing their heart rates and blood pressure through holes cut into their chests and later killing them'. They claim that “Killing animals in these archaic experiments is unjustifiable, especially when humane alternative methods are available,” said PETA Vice President of Laboratory Investigations Kathy Guillermo. “Arizona State University has shown an apparent disregard for the letter and spirit of animal-protection law and guidelines, and we’re asking the USDA to take action.”
I cant believe this is real, PETA apparently places more value in the life of a rabbit that scientific advancement, and would rather have students experiment on other humans.
The hypocrisy here is that PETA runs a 'humane' animal adoption program that was only able to place 7 of the 2124 pets given to the adoption agency last year. The rest were put down. [2] To date, no large scale animal housing facility has been built for the adoption agency despite PETA's $32 million dollar yearly budget. Obviously they place there salaries above the welfare of animals and have no intention of practicing what they preach. They find it acceptable to kill animals that they cannot place in homes, but unacceptable to kill animals for scientific adancement.
PETA should stand for People Entirley Thoughtless and Arrogent.
[1] http://www.statepress.com/node/7807
[2] http://www.consumerfreedom.com/pressRelease_detail.cfm/release/258 | |
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| Are vegans and PETA more moral and ethical than society?
Posted: 10/3/2009 1:38:44 PM |
have nothing against anyone killing anything if they are going to eat it. Go ahead, grab a gun or a knife and have at er.
I agree with your statements. In hunter cultures, the slain prey was honored and given thanks for dying to sustain the hunter. Joseph Campbell traced the roots of mythology and relition from these primordial roots to the modern day. A major problem exists today in that many people are not familiar with the nature of the efforts made to feed them. Milk comes in jugs, eggs in cardboard containers, vettis from bins, all as if by magic. No effort required. Today, 1 person feeds about 150 people and those 150 people don't know what that 1 person has to do to achieve that.
this era of factory farming will go down in the history books as our most barbaric inhumane era of all time.
Probably not. Humans will always regard other humans as higher than other species. If hi-throughput farming is replaced by something more productive and humane, historians will pillory it as you say. If not, it will go unnoted. If nothing else, it will be seen as a stepping stone to sustaining the current population of the planet. Compare high-throughput farming with the inhumane labor practices during the Industrial Revolution. Those days are regarded as a stepping stone but don't carry the horror of slavery. "Factory farming" will not be seen as anything worse than need-based mass production of cheap protein. | |
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| Are vegans and PETA more moral and ethical than society?
Posted: 10/3/2009 2:00:25 PM |
"Factory farming" will not be seen as anything worse than need-based mass production of cheap protein.
With the upcoming and inevitable food shortages, the near future may dictate limitations on our choice of food. Put more simply, the world's grain reserves are almost depleted. One bad crop year (inevitable given the instability of the global weather ) means millions of people will starve to death. Two bad years close together could easily raise that number into the hundreds of millions, if not billions. If we expect to even alleviate the human suffering, we are faced with an end to traditional meat (beef & pork at least) production and a reallocation of the grain fed to cattle to hungry humans (meat is great protein, but not economical when you consider the amount of grain protein required to produce it). The oceans are almost fished to depletion, so we won't be getting our animal protein from there either. I think North Americans with a taste for animal protein are looking at lamb only (probably at 10 or 20 times it's current price) and insect protein. I hope we have the stomach for it. The alternative is spending a fortune (that most people don't have) for "traditional" meat IF the factory farms haven't shut down or converted their operations to other forms of meat.
Maybe we'll be eating soylent green in the not too distant future? | |
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| Are vegans and PETA more moral and ethical than society?
Posted: 10/4/2009 8:05:19 AM |
Maybe we'll be eating soylent green in the not too distant future? Or each other.
Must be a remake out or something cause back in the 70's when I saw the original "Soylent Green" it was "each other". | |
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| Are vegans and PETA more moral and ethical than society?
Posted: 10/18/2009 11:44:09 PM | they have better morals because they don't eat meat? well, considering we are carnivores, that is quite a hypocritical and an oxy moron of a statement.. no, they are not better or superior because they don't eat meat. It is just their choice, which they are fully obligated to do and it is their prerogative.
I have no beef with them (pardon the punn) but it does not make them better humans. | |
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| Are vegans and PETA more moral and ethical than society?
Posted: 10/18/2009 11:52:25 PM | >>>With the upcoming and inevitable food shortages, the near future may dictate limitations on our choice of food.
I never got this statement.
Firstly, what business it of anyone's, save the individual? After all, if beef becomes expensive because of food shortages, then why shouldn't it be up to the individual on whether or not they wish to buy it? Why should limitations be placed on society? Aren't people capable of limiting themselves based on their own budgets?
Secondly- what does food shortages have to do with the OP- morality, and the vegan lifestyle? Thats reasoning based on practicality, not morality.
Thirdly- why does foot shortages demand we stop having livestock altogether? Again, if food becomes more rare, and the prices go up, the cost of meat will also go up to accommodate for the cost in animal feed- so the person who buys the meat is already paying the difference you say exists.
And Lastly, your statements are based on predictions and foreseeing doom. You conclude the end is nigh, and we should abandon some luxuries because such a time is upon us. You've said something to that regard numerous of times now. And frankly- I don't believe you. The only thing that supports such a belief is your own skepticism and pessimism. | |
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| Are vegans and PETA more moral and ethical than society?
Posted: 10/23/2009 10:02:11 AM | | I didnt read all of the posts so i may be raising points that have already been covered, sorry if that happens. Every year there is an event in New Foundland where the locals and some hunters go to support their families and store their food. Over the last few years its been taking alot of heat from these organizations. PETAs (People effectively talking out their asses) VP, for the sake of laughs we shall call him****Dickerson (Dan Mathews) said in an article that the annual hunt is Canada's shame, that the world over has a barbaric and violent view of Canadians, this was all heightened when the GG of Canada was photographed eating a raw seal heart (something that is considered cultural food amongst the native people of the area), prompting Matthews to state "It amazes us that a Canadian official would indulge in such bloodlust. It sounds like she's trying to give Canadians an even more Neanderthal image around the world than they already have.". There is lots of stupid narrow minded comments made by this organization, in fact they go as far as calling a boycott on all Canadian Maple syrup......seriously. Canadians must also be Neanderthals because sushi is so widely consumed on the west coast..... the fact of the matter is, this event is one of the only sources of income in an area that has trouble attracting companies do to isolation. Are we to allow one of Canada's first cultures to crumble and fall into the tribes of history because some idiot values the life of some cute baby seal over the life of human beings. Ive lived in the eastern maritimes and have lived through economic hardship and can tell you first hand that when it comes to supporting a family, you do what is necessary or you lose your family. I cant support or even try to understand an organization that fails to rationalize above that of an elementary school student. | |
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| Are vegans and PETA more moral and ethical than society?
Posted: 10/23/2009 11:27:21 PM | Maybe the vegetarians & PETA members should demonstrate how strongly they feel by volunteering to be cannibalized to save the life of a chicken, pig or cow.
( or several; perhaps a weigh-in and the equal amount of weight in livestock will be removed from the herds & not butchered ) | |
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| Are vegans and PETA more moral and ethical than society?
Posted: 10/23/2009 11:34:15 PM | | ^Actually it would have to be based on value as well. One PETA member actually has less nutritional value than the average mushroom so we're talking about pretty much the entire organization in exchange for one poorly-fed handi-cow. | |
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| Are vegans and PETA more moral and ethical than society?
Posted: 10/26/2009 11:39:10 AM |
In ONE word
YES...
Awake, Aware, Connected...
AND
We are not the graves of dead animals!!
Environmentally, speaking - YES
Morally speaking - YES
Ethically speaking - YES
Maybemymath is out, but I believe that's 22 words..... 25 words if ya count the "In ONE word" at the start | |
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| Are vegans and PETA more moral and ethical than society?
Posted: 10/27/2009 3:31:55 PM | Coming from both ends of the spectrum, (eating a 'normal' diet for 21 years, and vegan for almost 1 year), I can say with some experience that yes, those who omit animal products from their life are more ethical and moral than those who *know the cruelty of the meat industry/factory farms, and the environmental impact of their so called 'choice' yet continue their baseless consumption without remorse*. I can not fault those who continue to eat meat based on ignorance, as I too was one of them.
Many people who have yet to go vegan just don't realize that it's an option. We've been raised from a very young age to accept animal products as a way of life. I myself rarely, if ever, questioned it growing up. My mom and dad would never do something that might harm me or another living being, or so my very impressionable mind believed. We go into this world trusting that the decisions being made for us are the right ones, and if our parents never questioned the status quo or tradition, chances are we'll be brought up exactly as they were. And so it goes.
There is an incredible amount of emotional attachment to the foods we eat. You start questioning ethics and morality, and you're going to get a whole slew of outraged people who don't want to think about what's on their plate. They don't want to make the connection between the pig, which studies have found are more intelligent than dogs and just as loving (watch a youtube video on pigs, and you'll fall in love with them), to the life time of standing/laying in a metal cage unable to even turn around in, to the piece of bacon they're 'sustaining' themselves on.
Animal Rights activists put themselves in the cage that confines the pig or chicken etc, and even the phantom pains we feel are unbearable. This is why you will find extremists for the cause, those who have so much anger and passion for animal rights, that they will go to all lengths to get the message across. Unfortunately anger is harmful, no matter what you're angry about, and people will denounce your cause based on it. Which, judging by the replies to this thread, has happened to a few of you.
You can tell yourself that the consumption of meat is not a moral or ethical choice, but you are only denying yourself the empowerment of doing what is right, for all living things.
We are all born compassionate beings, it is our environment that leaves us desensitized over time.
I can only encourage you, those who choose death over life, to consider your younger self when you make those choices.
Nothing but love for you all .... :) | |
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| Are vegans and PETA more moral and ethical than society?
Posted: 10/27/2009 11:36:34 PM | >>>Many people who have yet to go vegan just don't realize that it's an option.
Oh, I realise it. And I choose to eat meat. If its an option, who are you to judge? Aren't you showing a grave ammount of hubris to dicate morality on personal opinions and choices?
>>>We go into this world trusting that the decisions being made for us are the right ones, and if our parents never questioned the status quo or tradition, chances are we'll be brought up exactly as they were. And so it goes.
And what if you were raised a Vegan? Wouldn't the same argument conclude that you must eat meat?
>>>You start questioning ethics and morality, and you're going to get a whole slew of outraged people who don't want to think about what's on their plate.
You don't think its because these people do not like their personal beliefs dictated to them? That they should be free to determine their own beliefs, and for you to talk down to them as immoral because they disagree- are they wrong to be offended?
>>>and even the phantom pains we feel are unbearable.
Oh get off your crucifix.
>>>Unfortunately anger is harmful, no matter what you're angry about, and people will denounce your cause based on it. Which, judging by the replies to this thread, has happened to a few of you.
"ANGER"?
Thats all you have to say on this? "anger"
Anger is what I'm feeling right now- what those activists do is not mere anger. It is violence. It is terrorism. They hand out death threats, intentually try to disturb children, commit vandalism, breaking and entering, theft, and arson.
Their actions are unforgivable, because it is very clearly terrorism- we must either agree with their beliefs, or they will hurt you. And that goes against everything our country stands for. No rational person- no ethical person- would dare justify these peoples actions as you seem to be.
>>>You can tell yourself that the consumption of meat is not a moral or ethical choice, but you are only denying yourself the empowerment of doing what is right, for all living things.
Anyone notice they announced they are right, and yet at no point explains WHY they are right?
>>>I can only encourage you, those who choose death over life, to consider your younger self when you make those choices.
Because children make the best choices in life. Thats why we give them the freedom to smoke or not until they've reached 5- then they're courrpted forever..... | |
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