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Posted: 9/1/2009 10:10:31 AM | agrees with a_corn, its not the regular drinkers who cause the problems its the once a week crowd that play up. many of the local pubs i go into i know whose going to be in there at what time and where they sit or stand, its not them who cause the problem, they can have as much beer as they want but no trouble. where as its the under 25s who come out on a friday or saturday night, drink 5 pints and take on the world. but its just not men either, ive seen many a bint fighting, spewing or getting one of her 5 kids dads to hit someone.
women are a bigger problem then men as belive it or not they are meaner and around here bigger then the average man, ive worked behind the bar and on the door and when its all men, no problem. put a few bints in there and watch out. you have to be careful on how you throw them out as you could get done! where a bloke could be manhandled outside and told come back tomorrow.
i bet most didnt know that everytime the police are called to a pub a note is taken and when the landlord applies for a licence it gets brought up! then theres the other problem, when i held a licence it went through the magistrate courts, now its the council who want there pound of flesh! the system has gone tits up and suprise suprise guess who changed it? yes thats right blair and his cronies! | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 11:59:09 AM |
No one is implying otherwise are they?
The OP reads ........
No, no one was implying otherwise, I was just wondering from the original topic whether these ASBOs also applied in Scotland and it was only when I read the first article I realised that they didn't.
No more than that. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 1:12:03 PM | Years ago it was socially acceptable to drink & drive. Nowdays it's not & that has been down to re-educating people. Letting them see the possible devastations caused by drink driving.
Binge drinking & the people who cause mayhem on a Friday & Saturday night don't see that they are doing anyone any harm. It's the social norm for them. Most of their friends are out there doing the same. So there's also the peer pressure to keep up.
Would it be better rather than ASBO's that we put those people on some sort of course? Show them images of what happens to their bodies with constant drinking.?Show them recordings of a real person who has had their life changed due to a drink induced incident? This could even be the deceased families. Show a recording of someone who after a night of boozing was raped or stabbed. And also to start educating them in schools.
As for fines....they are quite happy to throw up over £50 worth of drink...is another £50 going to put them off? | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 1:34:10 PM | Just more hypocrisy fed to us by this nanny state.
Ban alchohol
Ban Nicotine
Or...STFU! | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 1:58:01 PM |
As for fines....they are quite happy to throw up over £50 worth of drink...is another £50 going to put them off?
make it £500, a night in a cell and/or some community servvice and I think it would.
People aren't scared of the consequences of bad behaviour, because there aren't any other than a slap on the wrist. I think its that simple... | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 2:06:28 PM |
make it £500, a night in a cell and/or some community servvice and I think it would.
Having worked with a lot of young people who offend when they are pissed and not sober, it might surprise you how little impact fines/community service can have.
Shock tactics also don't always have the impact you think they might. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 4:10:21 PM | I dont think Booze Asbo's will work any more than other Asbo's work.
Trouble is, there is no 'stigma' anymore about being guttered. When I was young (gawd, sound just like my mother and swore I never would) if you got drunk, ended up incapable and causing trouble - it was a big deal. It was laughable but not funny, you were the joke in the community. These days youngsters and many oldsters seem to think it is perfectly normal.
There used to be the odd person who got drunk and abusive and sometimes violent but it was the few, not the many. Now it is the many.
Big fines will not help, people will not be able to pay them or will pay them at £5 a week so it wont have a major impact.
IMO the only real solution is going back to lower alcohol drinks. Wine used to be 8 or 9% now it's 12 or 13% - either I have to drink less or I will get drunk quicker, same applies to many other drinks. Cut the alcohol content gradually and eventually there will be less drunks (only so much liquid you can consume in a night). | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 4:17:20 PM | When the 'youngsters' see their peers falling out of nightclubs, their clothes and taxis, who do they want to emulate?
If it's good enough for royalty, models and popular singers then it is good enough for the slappers of chavsville, they think.
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Posted: 9/1/2009 4:28:16 PM | Apparently the new booze laws in Scotland mean that alcohol won't be able to be sold until 10am. Currently you can't buy alcohol till 12.30 on a Sunday but that will change to 10am.
Pubs won't be able to offer promotions unless they run for 72 hours. Bar staff aren't allowed to offer doubles instead of a single and it has also been said that they can't ask someone if they want the same again incase it encourages people to drink more.
It's going to affect the pubs more than the supermarkets. This tackles nothing. If people want to get wellied all they need to do is go to the supermarket and buy whatever they like.
Supermarkets also won't be able to sell alcohol at cost price, ie no loss leading.
I wonder how bar staff are going to be policed so that the words "same again" or "do you want a double" don't escape from their lips. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 4:35:16 PM | | Most youngsters I know have a few or several drinks at home (cheap supermarket booze) before hitting the town. Can't see how hitting the pubs and the responsible drinkers will make any difference | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 4:55:28 PM |
Having worked with a lot of young people who offend when they are pissed and not sober, it might surprise you how little impact fines/community service can have.
Shock tactics also don't always have the impact you think they might.
That's because the fines have been paltry: a £500 fine sort of impedes your ability to pay for your 125cc bike or sh@g & lager holiday in Faleraki, or tit job, or just to have the money in your pocket to go out. Take away the money to go out on the lash, take away the problem. Do this enough and the kids who go out will look at their mates who are having to stay at home for 1-3 months and think 'sod that' and try to behave. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 5:00:30 PM | £500 would seriously impede on my bank account!!!
anyway.. I think it would work but at the same time i'd be so annoyed if it happened to me... i guess it depends how strict it is and what constitutes of being anti-social? | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 10:56:48 PM |
Could a stag/hen night where you can barely walk home lead to a ban as its deemed anti social drinking?
Aren't ASBOs for persistent offenders? Or have I got that wrong? Because if they are, then one night out on the tiles isn't going to lead to an ASBO.
Do you think this new law is tackling the true problem
I'm trying hard to remember where I heard this, but on some TV progamme someone put forward an off-the-wall comment.
The programme was about youth unemployment and the fact that very few young people have permanent jobs, most get a week here and there through agency work as so many employers have only a small permanent work-force.
The statement made was that the youths out in the pubs and clubs aren't necessarily always the same crowd weekend in, weekend out, but a changing population who have just managed to get a pay packet that week and; just like those bankers celebrating their bonuses; go out to celebrate.
Without a reason to save the money, because not having a permanent job means they are of necessity living at home being supported by their parent(s), then a hedonistic life-style in the successful weeks is seen as acceptable.
Did the speaker get it right? Is the binge culture a by-product of the fact that too many of the under-25s are not able to find full-time employment? And thus have not learned the ways of the "steady wage-earner with aspirations" that require more sensible use of money? | |
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Posted: 9/2/2009 5:10:08 AM |
That's because the fines have been paltry: a £500 fine sort of impedes your ability to pay for your 125cc bike or sh@g & lager holiday in Faleraki, or tit job, or just to have the money in your pocket to go out. Take away the money to go out on the lash, take away the problem. Do this enough and the kids who go out will look at their mates who are having to stay at home for 1-3 months and think 'sod that' and try to behave.
You think? For some young people with a drink problem it's not that easy. A 500 quid fine paid at 3 quid a week and some community service that they either won't turn up to or get the social work department to negotiate their way out of won't stop people boozing.
That may sound cynical but having worked with young people who only offend when pissed I've seen them get criminal records as long as your arm, have spells inside, fined, community service and they still drink.
It's not the fines we need to sort out, it's the alcohol related issues and tackling why young people are drinking so heavily.
For some people it's not going out on the "lash", it's having a serious alcohol dependency at the age of 19 or 20 and some of these kids are already offending.
Hitting them with an ASBO will solve nothing. | |
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Posted: 9/2/2009 6:05:51 AM |
Most youngsters I know have a few or several drinks at home (cheap supermarket booze) before hitting the town. Can't see how hitting the pubs and the responsible drinkers will make any difference
I know some of these - have money, night out - aim of the night is to get pissed.
Is the binge culture a by-product of the fact that too many of the under-25s are not able to find full-time employment? And thus have not learned the ways of the "steady wage-earner with aspirations" that require more sensible use of money?
And these - have some money now, what do I spend it on, night out - aim of the night is to get pissed.
For some people it's not going out on the "lash", it's having a serious alcohol dependency at the age of 19 or 20 and some of these kids are already offending.
And sadly some of these - drink is an addictive problem, not really a choice.
Asbo's might be some use for the first two categories above, but not going to do anything much for the last category, a different or additional approach is needed for those.
The other question is Asbo's going to stop those in the first two catagories becoming members of category three, sadly seen it happen on a number of occassions. | |
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Posted: 9/2/2009 11:19:13 AM | Your ASBO as well is putting someone through the criminal justice system without the right to have a trial and for that alone, I think we need to be wary.
Very easy to sit here and say, yes they are a good idea, wait until one of us is on the way home from a night out and gets slapped with an ASBO.
Which could have repercussions for any of us professionally. Apparently the whole changeover up here has been a mess, several shops including large supermarkets don't have the new licences in time and as such have had to clear all their shelves of alcohol.
Which is one way to stop people getting bladdered. | |
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Posted: 9/8/2009 7:34:49 AM | As for these new drink regulations, Wetherspoons have a big sign up, you can't use any money off vouchers they've sent out, they would have had to have been used by the 31st of August.
Obviously offering someone 20p off the price of a pint would be leading them to ruin. | |
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Posted: 9/8/2009 8:37:36 AM | i can't see how it can be policed and enforced .... i live in a high street with quite a few pubs in and it gets quite rowdy, mostly just loud annoying dumb-ass drunks who can't talk without shouting after they've had a drink ... which to me is pretty anti-social ..
but there is never a police presence unless there is a fight which is usually over by the time they arrive and they rarely try to find the offenders because they can't be bothered .... so who will police it when the police don't seem interested
i'm not saying it's a bad idea ..... but as everyone has said .. alcohol is pretty available at any number of shops, even at the sweet shop these days.
if they can find a way to enforce it then all well and good .. arrest the offenders, impose a high fine and leave them locked up for a minimum period of 5 days or until tuesday morning, whichever comes first .... see how they like not being able to go to work and having to tell their employers that were arrested for pi**ing up the wall of the kebab shop on saturday night ! | |
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