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 HalftimeDad
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Thanks for explaining it. Color of Change launched a very successful advertiser boycott of Glen Beck's show because of extremist comments he made.

Glen Beck starts attacking one its founders who works in the West Wing.

Nice to know the righties are as petty and vindictive as ever.
 killene
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Posted: 9/7/2009 4:00:18 PM
It's interesting the sequence of events between Glenn Beck and Van Jones as many feel Beck had a role in it.
Glen did a radio parody on Jones in early August and segments on the Obama czars bringing up some of Van Jones' s past.
Then Color of Change went after Glen Beck and his advertisers.
In the beginning Jones was denying knowledge of Color of Change's activities toward Glen.
Now Jones has resigned.
 a bit nomadic
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Posted: 9/8/2009 1:17:01 AM
The problem with much of the reasoning here, in my view anyway, is that it presupposes the idea that as a nation we're done, we're perfect, and because of that there is no reason for radicalism or for anyone that has ever carried the idea that as a country, a nation, a society there is STILL and ALWAYS room for improvement. By the reckoning of some posters here, radicalism is inherently bad...but why? Because we can't abide the idea that we lack perfection? Because any person who dares to shoot for BETTER is wrong, dangerous, and somehow evil? Because it doesn't matter whether we disagree with ideas different from our own--those WITH ideas must be shut down, silenced, DESTROYED? Forget debate! We are just going to SHUT YOU DOWN!

By this analysis, Martin Luther King was a bad man; Bobby Kennedy was somehow subversive; Thomas Jefferson himself, or even the "father" of all national fathers, George Washington, should have been subject to "Beck-head" dismissal. King was a radical; Kennedy was a radical; Jefferson and Washington were most definitely radicals; and how about across oceans? NOW we should subject Nelson Mandela to the dustbin of "bad bad men" because he was once a man who embraced the idea of Marxist communism?

We, as a country--or so our "story" goes--were BORN of revolution. And yet anyone who knows anything about revolution knows that revolution is NEVER done. We are supposed to be seeking a BETTER society ALWAYS--THIS was the dream of our forefathers, and THIS is WHY they gave us free speech, free expression, free assembly. WHY would they have given us those things, if ONE quote made at a given time, ONE association formed at a given time, ONE IDEA expressed at a given time, were supposed to be enough to rob a man of any decent contribution he might be able to make. But no, somehow, with this movement towards "pious" attachments to NOTHING but the mainstream, NOTHING but the status quo, means that according to our current populist ideology, now we're done? And anyone who seeks better--anyone who identifies imperfection and wants to work towards improvement, and who DARES to speak of revolutionary ideas, is UNAmerican and can't POSSIBLY have anything to offer...EVEN if his efforts are towards alleviating poverty and/or discrimination? How did that happen?

No, I think that those who seek to quash IDEAS of this kind are the ones who are unAmerican. These are the people who our REVOLUTIONARY forefathers would have rejected as parochial, ignorant, damaging, and USELESS!

Whatever America is now--or rather, CAN be--at the moment, with this dictatorship of conservative populism, we are NOT the country that our founders imagined. Instead, we are slaves to conservative fear, an absolute requirement of frightened conformity--in short, we are EXACTLY what they DID NOT want.
 Swamp_Hunter
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As Ben Franklin exited the constitutional convention, a woman asked him, "Sir, what have you given us?"

His reply was, "A Republican ma'am, IF you can keep it."

The founding fathers were scholars of history, and considered all the various forms of government. In the end, they gave us a constitutional republic which created the greatest nation the world has ever seen...

Advocating new ideas is one thing, but advocating Marxism, socialism, communism, or other threats to that Republic is quite another. Those are hardly remedies for "poverty" or "racism"...

This kind of hypocrisy amuses me to no end. Liberals just LOVE "digging up the dirt" on conservatives, at every opportunity, but when a self avowed communist radical and conspiracy theorist goes down in flames, over very public statements he has made HIMSELF, those same people are the first to cry "foul"!
 a bit nomadic
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Posted: 9/8/2009 7:47:52 AM
^^You aren't engaging with anything but your own hyperbole.

First, the US may very well be the "greatest nation the world has every seen," but you don't REALLY know that to be the case do you? Please list ALL the "nations" that have ever existed and describe in exactly what ways this one, in all its triumphs and shortcomings, is/has been "greater." What you say here is essentially meaningless, and unhelpful.

Second, yes our founders WERE scholars of history AND (importantly) philosophy--or at least, SOME of them were. And thus, they knew the difference between economic systems and forms of government. You, on the other hand, do not.

Third, a state does not HAVE to be PURELY capitalist in order to be a republic. Scholars of history and philosophy know this.

Fourth, you miss a large part of my point. Because whatever Van Jones might have considered viable in the past, he is an advocate of working within capitalism NOW. AND, a man is not limited to ONE thought alone. Obama was not mining his brain for tips on "how to overthrow the democratic republic of the US."

And finally, the founders were men of VARIOUS thinking. The DEATH of the society they created will come when, once and for all, that is no longer allowed. I would rather live ANYWHERE than a country organized according to the bullying system you advocate.... So, after you kill all the intellectuals, will you also burn their books?
 jack-d-ripper
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Posted: 9/8/2009 8:35:26 AM



Thank You, Glenn Beck!



Thank you, Glenn Beck. By helping force the resignation of Van Jones, you have done a great service to your country. But in the exact opposite way than what you intended.

Your vile and vicious smear campaign has helped reverse one of the worst examples of miscasting since John Wayne took on the role of Genghis Khan in The Conqueror.

Don't get me wrong: Van Jones was the best person for the job he just gave up. But the job was not the best use of Van Jones.

Contrary to the media caricature, the real Van Jones is a thoughtful leader who knows how to use words to move people to action. To stick him behind a desk, working out the details of tax credits for green jobs -- incredibly important though the job is -- was never the best use of his unique and abundant skills.

This is not an attempt to put a positive spin on an ugly episode. I've actually been feeling this way ever since Van told me he was taking this job.

I remember going to the White House this spring for a briefing of journalists by David Axelrod. Before the meeting, Van and I met for a quick coffee and I was hit with the same overwhelming thought: how much we were going to miss his voice on the outside.

Now, thanks to Glenn Beck, we've got that voice back. No longer tied to his desk with a sock in his mouth, Van is now freed to do what he does best: inspire and energize groups around the country. Student groups and labor groups and small business groups and middle class Americans everywhere who are losing jobs and losing homes and losing hope. He's free to push with all his might and insight for the vision tens of millions of Americans tirelessly worked for during the presidential campaign -- the vision they voted for in November -- but which is now in danger of being drowned in the fetid political swamps of Washington.

If Glenn Beck had any sense at all, he would have done everything in his power to keep Van Jones right where he was.

But he didn't. And for this we should all be grateful.

Full disclosure: Van and I have been good friends for many years. We've worked together on a number of projects, I've written about his efforts to fight abuses in the criminal justice system, he's blogged on HuffPost since soon after we launched, and I've watched him hold an audience spellbound at a wide range of events -- from progressive gatherings to the World Economic Forum.

And I've never failed to be impressed by Van. He is a remarkable man. One of the things I've always found so impressive about him -- and something completely lost in the partisan mudslinging -- is his ability to build coalitions and create unlikely alliances. In pursuit of a clean energy future for America, Van has successfully brought together urban youth with clean-tech entrepreneurs, labor leaders with business leaders, civil rights activists with environmentalists. His skill in this area is exceptional, and much needed in America today.

Yes, he might believe that the foundation of the GOP's legislative prowess can be found below the belt and to the rear, but that never stopped him from looking for ways to reach out and bridge the political, economic, racial, and social chasms that continue to divide us.

Back in 2002, I wrote about how the staid and anything-but-radical heads of the World Economic Forum had invited him to their conference and honored him as a "Global Leader for Tomorrow." Jones had been protesting the World Trade Organization in Seattle and the International Monetary Fund in Washington. But that didn't keep him from exchanging ideas with the rich and powerful at the Forum, or from keeping an open mind.

"The people I've met here," Van told me at the time, "are much more thoughtful, complex, and concerned about social issues than either the left or the media portray them to be."

That's a sound bite you're not likely to see being endlessly replayed on Fox News. But that's the real Van Jones, not the caricature the Fox echo chamber has been pummeling for the last few weeks.

The real Van Jones has been lauded by the likes of Meg Whitman (she was very much for him before she decided she needed to be against him) and the editors of Time who named him one of the 100 most influential people in the world and one of the nation's "Heroes of the Environment." Or Fast Company magazine, which placed him on its list of the "12 Most Creative Minds."

The real Van Jones is the speaker who told a crowd at last month's National Clean Energy Summit in Las Vegas: "We're asking questions progressives like but we're giving answers that conservatives should like" (another sound bite you won't see looped to death on Fox). He went on to stress the importance of enterprise, innovation and entrepreneurship in solving our economic and environmental problems.

More full disclosure: I despise 9/11 "truther" conspiracies. Indeed, one of the guidelines for bloggers on HuffPost is a ban on posts putting forth those kinds of theories. And it was stupid of Van to put his name on a very stupid "9/11 Truth Statement." I've spoken to Van. He doesn't believe that the Bush administration orchestrated the 9/11 attacks or allowed the attacks to happen in a cold-hearted attempt to gin up support. The 9/11 "Truthers" are fringe-dwellers and Van was completely wrong to allow himself to be associated with them.

But that mistake should not define him. Indeed this episode, besides putting Van back in the right role, will provoke a conversation about how people's past should impact what they are able to do in the present.

If the sliming of Van Jones is an indication of how things are going to be, a lot of 20-somethings posting to their Facebook pages as we speak better start worrying about the digital crumbs they are leaving behind for the future Glenn Becks of the world.

Isn't it time we acknowledge that no human being with any passion and deeply held beliefs ever emerged flawless into the world? And that if every mistake, misstep, boneheaded decision, or error in judgment becomes an automatic disqualifier for public service, then we're going to be left with a political landscape filled with nothing but wrinkle-free, foible-free, passionless automatons who have never made a mistake because they never took the risk of having an original thought.

Van Jones is not foible-free. He's human. And ardent in his desire to effect change. In fact, his journey from radical activist to someone who came to see that the solutions we need in this country are ones not easily categorized as right or left is what has made him such an effective leader. If we continue to obsessively see things through that right/left prism -- and use those differences as weapons with which we attack our perceived enemies -- it is going to be infinitely harder to move the country to where it needs to be.

Glenn Beck has taken Van out of his in-the-shadows position and thrust him into the spotlight. I told Van after his resignation that I hope he will take the extra attention and energy Beck created for him and, like a jujitsu black belt, turn the blow into an opening, an opportunity to transform the negative attack into something positive for himself and for the country.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/thank-you-glenn-beck_b_278839.html





"Time who named him one of the 100 most influential people in the world "


He still has a future.... I wonder about Beck.... No sponsors and melting down?
Like watching a Nascar Crash....
 Swamp_Hunter
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First, the US may very well be the "greatest nation the world has every seen," but you don't REALLY know that to be the case do you? Please list ALL the "nations" that have ever existed and describe in exactly what ways this one, in all its triumphs and shortcomings, is/has been "greater." What you say here is essentially meaningless, and unhelpful.


If I have to debate that point with you, then this exchange is basically useless... Sorry, not going to bite...


Second, yes our founders WERE scholars of history AND (importantly) philosophy--or at least, SOME of them were. And thus, they knew the difference between economic systems and forms of government. You, on the other hand, do not.

Third, a state does not HAVE to be PURELY capitalist in order to be a republic. Scholars of history and philosophy know this.


The founding fathers clearly envisioned a capitalist free market economy... Again, if I have to debate such a widely held and correct point of view with you, then again, this is a useless exchange... Not biting on that either...


Fourth, you miss a large part of my point. Because whatever Van Jones might have considered viable in the past, he is an advocate of working within capitalism NOW. AND, a man is not limited to ONE thought alone. Obama was not mining his brain for tips on "how to overthrow the democratic republic of the US."


I did not miss your point, I just don't agree with you. The radical positions he's taken were not in the distant past, and are clearly indicative of his political philosophies. If they weren't a problem, then he obviously wouldn't have resigned.


And finally, the founders were men of VARIOUS thinking. The DEATH of the society they created will come when, once and for all, that is no longer allowed. I would rather live ANYWHERE than a country organized according to the bullying system you advocate.... So, after you kill all the intellectuals, will you also burn their books?


"^^You aren't engaging with anything but your own hyperbole. "

Freedom of thought and of expression is still something we value in this country, and Mr. Jones has every right to both, as do you. However, the citizens of the United States also have the right to be concerned about the views held by those we have working in government, and who we have advising the President. You may not see a problem with a self proclaimed communist being in that role, but the vast majority of America does have problems with such views, and this man's resignation clearly refects that...
 jack-d-ripper
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Posted: 9/8/2009 9:42:43 AM
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The founding fathers clearly envisioned a capitalist free market economy... Again, if I have to debate such a widely held and correct point of view with you, then again, this is a useless exchange... Not biting on that either...


Free market .. Hamilton protectionist Tariffs and Taxes.. Whiskey rebellion?

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 killene
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Also, it cracks me up to see all the attacks on Glenn Beck here, when Jones and his friends at "Color of Change", which he cofounded, tried to use the might of the White House to pressure Becks' advertisers to abandon his show... Now one of his other Czars is trying to finish the job with new FCC regulations...

I was just reading about this over at another forum over the weekend.

It's looking like all of this hoopla against Beck and the Fox commentators is upping their ratings.

Seems that Fox is topping the charts due to their reports on Obama, the Czars and ACORN.

Maybe it just best if Van Jones and friends leave well enough alone.
For already Jones' resignation seems to have begun sparking some concerns among some more Democrats about the number of non-vetted Czars in Obama's Administration outside of Congressional jurisdiction.
 jack-d-ripper
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Posted: 9/22/2009 7:19:53 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

..............Beck has lost 62 .....62 Sponsors...............


His ratings are great, So what he might have 2 million..........

How many watch Katie... or ABC... NBC..... MANY more....

FOX loss of income Beck Show.... $600k- $750K Per WEEK................


Obama didn't go on FOX.... why?

Chris Wallace has less than 600,000 viewers... DEAD LAST ALWAYS..........


Murdock is in the pits............... Worldwide....





 00Spy
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Beck dominates in his 5 pm slot versus the other cable shows.
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/09/11/cable-news-ratings-for-thursday-september-10-2009/26907

As does Fox in the rest of there programing.
If Fox is going under then CNN must already be gone!

Van Jones is gone, ACORN is on it's way out ... Thank God for Beck, OReilly and Fox News.
 jack-d-ripper
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Beck dominates in his 5 pm slot versus the other cable shows.
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/09/11/cable-news-ratings-for-thursday-september-10-2009/26907



Less than 2 million viewers.............. ha


lowly Katie has almost 7 million..........


How many sponsors on the Beck show? I never said Fox was going under... Murdock pumped $500 million before they made any money....


How long will he carry Beck..... 2 million views... all them were in Wash DC on the 12th.....




 killene
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Van Jones is gone, ACORN is on it's way out ... Thank God for Beck, OReilly and Fox News.


Seems Van Jones might not be the last one of the Czars. Looks like

Van Jones might just be only the second.
 lateef7842
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The left doesn't find Van Jones offensive because we don't see anything to be offended by. From Beck to Limbaugh and everyone in between, all I've seen is out of text sound bites and video clips cobbled together in a damning way. NO REAL REPORTING. JUST OPINION!

They call him racist because he spoke about policies (that have been documented by the way) that allow pollution in minority neighborhoods but not in white areas. How is that racist? See, that's the new right wing tactic; call the person who speaks about racism a racist. And the partisan masses eat it up.

None of you have any real facts about Jones, just opinion. Show me some real, in depth reporting on Jones and I'll take a look. Until you can do that, you're just repeating talking points because it makes you feel better.

This country is going to hell in a hand basket and this kind of thinking is the main reason why.

Lateef
 geeleebee
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Jack Rice has likened the Right to autistics who, when they become overly stimulated, repeat 'catch phrases' to help them calm themselves.

Example: '...Socialist agenda...Death Panels...Gay marriage...Where's the birth certificate...He's a Muslim...Troops at risk...'

They soothe themselves by repeating the Party Mantra.

'Van Jones is a Communist...Van Jones is a Communist...Van Jones...'
You get Rice's point.
 wisguyingb
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Posted: 10/23/2009 11:30:17 PM
Annita Dunn could be next after proclaiming that one of her favorite political philosophers is Mao Tse Tung.
 pirateheaven
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Anyone with a shred of intellectual honesty would wonder why Obama had an unabashed, openly communist staffer working for him. He did not

Some people here are partisans to the degree that their knee jerk reaction is to justify everything Obama does, no matter how absurd it may be.
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In the video of a speech to high school graduates earlier this year, Dunn cited Mao's response to skeptics who pointed out that their party was facing steep disadvantages while fighting the Nationalist Chinese: "You fight your war, and I'll fight mine." After asking the audience to "think about that for a second," she said, "You know, you don't have to accept the definition of how to do things, and you don't have to follow other people's choices and paths, OK? It is about your choices and your path." Likewise, Dunn cited Mother Teresa's response to a young person who wanted to work at her orphanage in Calcutta: "Go find your own Calcutta." Dunn then reiterated: "Go find your own Calcutta. Fight your own path. Go find the thing that is unique to you, the challenge that is actually yours, not somebody else's challenge."


Yet another example of Fox swallowers.

Dunn did not claim to worship Mao.
She did state that he was one of her favorite philosophers--along with Mother Theresa.

Anyone with a shred of intellect would read the transcript of what Dunn actually said, before showing their ass on a public forum.
 jed456
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Yet another example of Fox swallowers.


Yep fox follower's should read about another "great American"joseph McCarthy famous for rooting out all the commies in the government.

Glenn Beck Goes Full Joe McCarthy
On his Fox News show, Beck scribbled a giant chalk diagram indicating that President Obama is somehow surrounded by Marxists and Communists who are plotting to transform America into the next Soviet Union.

But as Dave Neiwert points out, many of the organizations that Beck is targeting are actively petitioning Beck's advertisers. In other words, this has less to do with any actual plot and more to do with Beck guarding his own ass. By going full Joe McCarthy. A really crazy McCarthy with a punch-me face.

To paraphrase Tropic Thunder, everybody knows you never go full Joe McCarthy.



So keep an eye and ear open when you hear thease so called patriot's going on there commie hunt's
In a 1950 speech, McCarthy entered the public spotlight by claiming that communists had "infested" the State Department, dramatically waving a sheet of paper which purportedly contained the traitors' names. A special Senate committee investigated the charges and found them groundless. Unfazed, McCarthy used his position to wage a relentless anti-communist crusade, denouncing numerous public figures and holding a series of highly confrontational hearings. With little if any proof of his charges, McCarthy relied on accusation, slander and innuendo to tarnish his opponents' reputations (a practice now known as "McCarthyism"). In 1954, televised hearings allowed millions to view McCarthy's methods for the first time, sparking a public backlash and official censure. He died at the age of 49 of complications related to alcoholism.
SOURCES: Cambridge Dictionary of American Biography; Encyclopedia of American Biography.
 killene
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Annita Dunn could be next after proclaiming that one of her favorite political philosophers is Mao Tse Tung.


Dunn use of Mao Tse Tung has created some controversies, yet some say that Mao Tse Tung did have some good philosophies. Interestingly even some quite conservative people have found positives in some of Mao Tse Tung's philosophies, even some Fox news personalities.

Although Mao Tse Tung had a really bad history as to his leadership, he has some quotes that have been used by both sides of the fence.

During Mao Tse Tung's reign, he did do quite a bit for the rights of women in China, especially in the area of their rights(foot binding, divorce, and property inheritance to name a few).
 pirateheaven
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Interestingly even some quite conservative people have found positives in some of Mao Tse Tung's philosophies, even some Fox news personalities.


Then they are not conservatives. Praising a man who killed 70 million people is disgusting.
It's a good thing Mao is dead, otherwise he would be an advisor to Obama and the Dems would be covering for him.

Whatever America is now--or rather, CAN be--at the moment, with this dictatorship of conservative populism, we are NOT the country that our founders imagined. Instead, we are slaves to conservative fear, an absolute requirement of frightened conformity--in short, we are EXACTLY what they DID NOT want.


Presidency - Democrat
House - Democrat Majority
Senate - Democrat Majority

We are at the mercy of the Democrats. They have to votes to pass anything.
 flyguy51
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See: "no true Scotsman"

Hitler had some valid lifestyle habits, btw, like not smoking and being a vegetarian. I'm not sure of the name of the fallacy that would seek to invalidate those traits.
 kabiosile
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Praising a man who killed 70 million people is disgusting.


We have a holiday called Columbus day here where we do exactly that. Though I bet more died because of Columbus than died because of Mao.

If you didnt know many of the communist a group of people from the USA tend to spew hate at, looked up to and modeled themselves after Thomas Jefferson.

That brings us to another group of guys lots of people died because of their thoughts and writings/ ideas / orders.. Our founding fathers... Yet they are praised as heroes.

OT:
I think Van Jones resigning had more to do with the passion he has for what he does as opposed to someone labeling him a communist. I have often been called a communist by people and my response is always the same. I have certainly been erroneously called worse.

Then again maybe I am not as frightened by communists as some people whom still smack of McCarthyism.

I could care less about political affiliations. This is the USA correct?? I believe people are supposed to have the right to what ever political party or ideals they choose. I see absolutely no problem if it was 100% true.

This man cared more about his mission to bring green technology and possitive change to the country than he did about some position. He did not wish to be a distraction to the cause and that is rare these days in Washington.

Funny how, when someone is selfless enough to do something like resign instead of being a distraction to the positive changes they wish to see, some among us whom often claim to not like the people whom spend a lifetime in politics, berate a guy whom cared more for his country than a position.

All of this is merely a distraction. Typical text book Rovian tactics. Kick up a dust storm of personal attacks BS in attempts to appeal to the lynch mob mentality, and pray no one sees you in the background trying fiercely to maintain the status quo so your buddies can continue to get rich off of a real messed up situation that need not be.
 killene
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Then they are not conservatives. Praising a man who killed 70 million people is disgusting.
It's a good thing Mao is dead, otherwise he would be an advisor to Obama and the Dems would be covering for him.


I did not say or use the word "praising" and I don't think the conservatives would appreciate the word praise either.
What I said is that some conservatives that have used some of his quotes and said that parts of his philosophical ideals did some good for his country .
There were some good ideals brought out in Mao's philosophies, especially in regards to women's rights in China during his time. Other than that he seems to have been regarded by many as a ruthless murderer.
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I did not say or use the word "praising" and I don't think the conservatives would appreciate the word praise either.
What I said is that some conservatives that have used some of his quotes and said that parts of his philosophical ideals did some good for his .
There were some good ideals brought out in Mao's philosophies, especially in regards to women's rights in China during his time. Other than that he was a ruthless murderer.


What does this have to do with Van Jones resigning? So back on topic I heard that maybe he may have resigned because of threats
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