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| | Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?Page 7 of 22 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22) | You know what, in the vast majority of cases where an unwanted pregnancy occurs (at least in the eyes of the man), the question shouldn't be "why do men run?", the question should be "why shouldn't they run?"
No one should be getting pregnant unless both parties have upfront to consented to and agreed that having a baby is what they both want to do.
I know I will screamed down with how accidents happen. Fact is though if people really don't want to get pregnant, they rarely do. Chances of both a condom and a second form of contraception (like the pill), both being used properly, failing simultaneously, just when a woman happens to be ovulating resulting in conception (which by the way, even in a woman's most fertile years, only occurs around 25% of the time), is tiny; close to zero in fact.
Most people, men and women alike, operate on a much higher level of risk. Either they are using condoms only and nothing else; or the pill only and nothing else (and is pretty disturbing how little women seem to know about the sorts of things that can render the pill ineffective or how long it takes before you reach optimal levels of protection after missing one or having something happen that is equivalent). Or worse, they get carried away in the heat of the moment and hope for the best, or they count on ridiculous things, like pulling out or the rhythm type methods.
People are generally too embarrassed/ashamed/scared to say "Yes, we took a big/stupid risk and it resulted in pregnancy".
I don't see why any man should have to become a parent when he never intended to nor consented to it. BUT.........
If a man enters into a sexual relationship where he is not 100% certain adequate precautions are being taken (eg. he doesn't use a condom because the woman says she is on the pill or using something else or says she can't get pregnant, but he has no absolute proof of this), well if a pregnancy results, then he is equally as responsible for that as the woman.
Man or woman, if you don't want to become a parent, then you are equally responsible for making sure you reduce that risk. Fact is you *can* almost always reduce it to zero.
I have known A LOT of men and women in the last 20 years, all of us have had numerous sexual partners given we are all approaching 40 and have been active for a minimim of 21+ years. And not a one; not one single pregnancy that wasn't planned and consensual.
So why do men run? Because even though they were almost certainly equally culpable in taking the risk that resulted in pregnancy, fact is, they run....because they can.
Kinda makes the case that given it's a woman's body that will carry the baby if she decides she can't terminate, and a woman that will be left raising the child if the man makes an exit during the pregnancy, that no matter how "unfair" it might be, that woman better make damn sure that she and her partner are taking absolutely maximum precautions to not get pregnant unless she is ok with being a single mother; assuming they are not both intentionally trying to conceive.
this is a great post
its on both parties and while i think no man should run, unless it has been discussed b4 i don't know why any woman would be shocked. | |
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| Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 9/19/2009 1:00:26 AM | Well, seems like you're doing a bit of back-pedalling there, lizzie.... you brought up "finacial" (sic) consequences in message 50... not a lot of talk of emotional stuff in the statement I was referring to....~capitano~
^^^Nice little perversion of my comments you have twisted! I am impressed!....BUT...not surprised! Whatever makes you sleep at night...we all have our own moral compass right?
..... besides.... why would you or any woman be surprised by a pregnancy if you aren't using any BC and allowing a guy to slurp buckets of tequila out of your belly button?... ~capitano~
^^^Hey....first...I wasn't the one pouring the tequila.. ...secondly, I am sure I mentioned that I was on a new pill previously to the weekend away..I pay for the pill....he should have brought more condoms!...OR gone OUT for more when I mentioned we were out.. between the orgasms!  I was slightly surprised that I didn't beat the odds....but not as shocked as he was! (poor buggar)
I am as culpable and have owned the responsibilities that came with my decision...I could have done more to prevent the pregnancy....but then again so could he have at that same moment!
I am saying that for certain situations, yes. Many women make it all about the money, use CS as a means to get back at men and hide behind that shield emblazoned with, "IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CHILD"..... ~capitano~
^^^That's a circle jerk of an arguement! Y'know why?....Lemme tell ya.....
When a man has never taken ownership of his own cupability and responsibility, THEN he cannot defend the reasons he has for NOT stepping up to a moral obligation to the woman he got pregnant or in some cases the child he abanndoned!
I feel sorry for the men that society has scared the crap out of in the last two decades..I really do. They will always feel cheated without ever realizing they have an unclaimed reward.
I am hoping that the next two generations of sons that have been cast aside and abanndoned by their father's have strong mother's and positive male influences to guide them to the point where they can be responsible for their actions and find hope in soloutions to problems they face.
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| Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 9/19/2009 7:26:42 AM | I am hoping that the next two generations of sons that have been cast aside and abanndoned by their father's have strong mother's and positive male influences to guide them to the point where they can be responsible for their actions and find hope in soloutions to problems they face.
Unfortunately the trend seems to be going the other way. Men abandoning their children and the mothers of those children is not something that has suddenly sprouted up in the last generation or so. What seems to be changing is the number of our daughters who no longer care if they get pregnant. These "strong mothers" are showing our daughters that hey, if you get pregnant, you can always just go get child support and that will make everything all better. But it doesn't, does it? | |
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| Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 9/19/2009 7:34:03 AM |
These "strong mothers" are showing our daughters that hey, if you get pregnant, you can always just go get child support and that will make everything all better. But it doesn't, does it?
Bang. You've just hit the nail on the head. | |
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| Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 9/19/2009 8:45:35 AM |
I was slightly surprised that I didn't beat the odds....but not as shocked as he was! (poor buggar)
I am as culpable and have owned the responsibilities that came with my decision...I could have done more to prevent the pregnancy....but then again so could he have at that same moment
No, you didn't tell him he needed to wear a condom if he was going to bang you.
YOU rolled the dice after started a new pill. Even I know that a month is dicey. YOU were the one in control of your vagina, and the equipment it leads to, not him. YOU know your cycle, not him.
"DAMN the torpedoe! Stick it in!," is simply relying on FATE to be your BC....
When a man has never taken ownership of his own cupability and responsibility, THEN he cannot defend the reasons he has for NOT stepping up to a moral obligation to the woman he got pregnant or in some cases the child he abanndoned!
How exactly does a guy GET a woman pregnant like she's some innocent bystander.... or passive sperm depository ....
... even if he doesn't realize just how vat-like some belly buttons are when he starts slurping the booze... 
Of course he can defend his reasons: He didn't want a kid and he has ZERO moral obligation to the woman. Right or wrong, just like the woman, he has every right to self-determination.
They will always feel cheated without ever realizing they have an unclaimed reward.
Unclaimed reward? Reward? A kid he didn't want with a woman he likely didn't love enough who is going to pester him for the rest of his life and who is going to chase him around trying to get her hand into his wallet.
I am hoping that the next two generations of sons that have been cast aside and abanndoned by their father's have strong mother's and positive male influences to guide them to the point where they can be responsible for their actions and find hope in soloutions to problems they face.
Let's not forget that many of those young, twenty-something, guys who are running were brought up by single mothers. Says quite a bit about the robust diet or moral fibre they were being fed by those single moms, eh?
And, as That Guy Him pointed out, many of the girls these days are learning from their single mothers that it's no big deal to squirt out a kid at 18 or whenever the whim wafts through their brain, or tickles their vagina. After all, mom did it.
It's being CELEBRATED in the media these days.
Reward? Maybe if there was NO reward, award, gifts or prizes for cranking kids out just because you can, there would be fewer messed up kids around.
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| Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 9/19/2009 9:31:58 AM |
How exactly does a guy GET a woman pregnant like she's some innocent bystander.... or passive sperm depository ....
Easily. When I was 18 I lost my virginity to an older man he slipped off the condom. And I didn't know cuz I just didn't know better. However I was on the pill and I didn't tell him. Because he was intentionally trying to get me pregnant. Why? Because there are some men that will do that.
I never told any man I dated I was on the pill. Not even my ex so he wouldn't whine about wearing a condom. Plus I always bought condoms. So there was no excuse. I never once willingly gambled with not using two forms of bc. Why I never had an unplanned pregnancy. The only time I never used protection was for that month when I was trying to get pregnant.
And, as That Guy Him pointed out, many of the girls these days are learning from their single mothers that it's no big deal to squirt out a kid at 18 or whenever the whim wafts through their brain, or tickles their vagina. After all, mom did it.
As a single mother I would NEVER EVER teach my daughter that. I will be teaching my daughter to be independent, to be cautious of what men promise her, to get her education first, career second then think about a relationship. I want my daughter to go to university. That is why when my daughter turns 18 she will have around 50k for university because thats how much her education bonds will be worth when they matture. My parents while yes helped me a lot to go to school did not have that much money for me but I had scholarships.
It is a big deal to squirt out a kid at 18. I'm going to stress to my daughter that 18 is too soon to have sex. Because I feel I was not matture enough to have sex at 18. Because the person you are at 18 is totally different from the person you are at 25. At 18 I was a niave small town girl who thought people were generally good. At 27 I've lived in a big city, I have a University education and well I definately don't think the same about people I'm way more cautious. I used to work on Main & Hastings in Vancouver and there is nothing you don't see there-- things I never even imagined growing up in the small town I grew up in. | |
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| Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 9/19/2009 10:28:35 AM |
Easily. When I was 18 I lost my virginity to an older man he slipped off the condom. And I didn't know cuz I just didn't know better. However I was on the pill and I didn't tell him. Because he was intentionally trying to get me pregnant. Why? Because there are some men that will do that.
Easily? Seriously... you make it sounds like guys do this all the time.
It is a big deal to squirt out a kid at 18. I'm going to stress to my daughter that 18 is too soon to have sex. Because I feel I was not matture enough to have sex at 18. Because the person you are at 18 is totally different from the person you are at 25.
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| Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 9/19/2009 10:55:49 AM | | some of you have said that the kids of single parent will repeat the pattern. Not necessarily true. Some kids from single parents or couples learn from their parents mistakes. I for one can remember saying that I will never make that mistake or act a certain way that my parents did, that was wrong or a mistake. The thing is to teach your kids what mistakes you have made and how they can keep from making them theirselves. But you need to recognize the mistakes you have made first before the pattern can be broken. To error is human. | |
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| Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 9/19/2009 11:13:37 AM |
Easily. When I was 18 I lost my virginity to an older man he slipped off the condom. And I didn't know cuz I just didn't know better. However I was on the pill and I didn't tell him. Because he was intentionally trying to get me pregnant. Why? Because there are some men that will do that.
Sorry let me clarify that. When I said that I meant I could have easily become pregnant at 18. Not for anything I failed to do because I did tell the man to use a condom. I even made him go buy some. I wasn't saying all men do that.
Like I said 18 yr olds shouldn't be having sex because we have poor judgment when we are in our teens. We are just not that smart when we're in our teens. Teenagers often make poor decisions. | |
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| Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 9/19/2009 11:59:51 AM | ^^^ Thanks for clarifying!
The part of our brain that controls reasoning doesn't actually fully develop until our early 20's. So it's no wonder that teens think they are invinsible and nothing bad will ever happen to them. | |
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| Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 9/19/2009 9:02:42 PM | | Boys run at the first sign of pregnancy MEN do not...but unfortunately far to many women are willing to make babies with boys and in the end it is the child that pays the price, as time goes on it never ceases to amaze me the stupid choices that women will make with no thought about the new life it may create and I have lost nearly all my respect for the female gender at this point. | |
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| Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 9/20/2009 8:39:13 AM | | Perhaps when one of these women decides to sleep with the male without protection she should ask for an imprint of his drivers license,credit card,work# and references,full credit report and financial history. Does he pay his bills?Can he hold a job? Has he ever been arrested or have any impaired charges?does he drink or do drugs to excess? These are all red flags to his true character ladies......with all due rspect to those good quality intelligent women with morals still left out there...WHY ARE SOME WOMEN SO COMPLETLEY STUPID and then want to blame it on on the guy they more than willing to make the baby with in the first place? | |
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| Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 9/20/2009 9:11:53 AM | heavyiron, not all single women who become pregnant blame it on the man. I actually think the majority of us believe that we share equal responsibility for a pregnancy. While it may be true that a woman has all the choices, not all the choices are ones that she personally can accept as a choice for her. It is incorrect for any male to assume that because abortion is legal that any woman would have one.
When a pregnancy occurs, while it may be happening to a woman, it is not one person's responsibility, it is the responsibility of the two people who were engaged in the behaviour that led to the pregnancy...it is not her pregnancy, it is their pregnancy.
I think you may misinterpret some of the anger and disappointment you hear in these forums by women who are raising children without the father's assistance in any way, shape or form as blaming the men for their getting pregnant.
As a man with a child, what do you as a man think of other men who help to create babies and then take off running, abandoning the child they helped to conceive? Do you respect them?
If you don't, then you should say that and not attack women who find themselves in this situation.
On Topic -
Men run because they can. Society allows them to believe that it is OK to run from their responsibility because they weren't "trying" or "intending" on making a baby, they were just trying to laid. That is a piss poor excuse in my books. Society may force them to pay cs but NOBODY can FORCE anyone to be a parent.
If a man doesn't want to be a father, he has the option of wearing a condom but I wonder how many of these "runners" were riding bareback when the pregnancy occurred? They should be called to task for their carelessness also but I don't see a whole lot of that happening in this forum...what I see is ALL the responsibility being dropped at the feet of women.
I agree that as women, we have to learn to make better choices of sexual partners and protect ourselves from not only pregnancy but also STDs. I am not saying women are not accountable but men are...although it seems that men and even some women are quick to say men aren't accountable (or shouldn't be). That is truly disturbing but I guess "boys will be boys" right?
I am glad to see a lot of men discussing in these forums the lessons they are teaching their sons about the importance of not giving away their reproductive rights to any woman. It is about damn time!!!!! I do object to a degree to the way they are doing it, painting women as untrustworthy people seeking to entrap every man so they can get their hands into their wallet. That is not a balanced view of women. It is a view of the bad apples and it is no worse/better than a woman telling her daughter all men want is to get into her pants, use her for sex and toss her aside. That is not a balanced view of men either. What exactly are we trying to raise? A healthy generation or one that will ensure there won't be a lot of healthy relationships in the future between us?
If sons had been taught not to have indiscriminate, unprotected sex.....perhaps there would be fewer unplanned pregnancies. This is a battle that should not be waged soley on the backs of women.....it is a shared responsibility towards building a better environment in which children can be born....one that has a mother and a father who want the child, who are committed to that child and to parenting together BEFORE the child is even conceived.
Either sex can prevent a pregnancy by using birth control. Both sexes have a responsibility to do what they can do to ensure they are protecting their reproductive rights. Instead of warning our children about the nasty side of the other gender, perhaps teaching our children to respect themselves and to be discriminate is a healthier option. That would require that the "adults" set aside their bitterness and actually be parents. | |
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| Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 9/20/2009 9:59:11 AM | I am not saying women are not accountable but men are...although it seems that men and even some women are quick to say men aren't accountable (or shouldn't be). That is truly disturbing but I guess "boys will be boys" right?
I believe you are misconstruing what is being said. The point isn't that men aren't responsible for what they're doing, it's that women need to accept responsibility for the choices they've made.
Like let's say I'm at a party and my friend passes me a joint. I say, "But I don't want to get high." He says, "But it's awesome!" So I say, "OK, let me have it." I proceed to smoke 4 joints and end up high as a kite. It's half my friend's fault for giving me the weed? Or half his fault for twisting my rubber arm? If a woman doesn't want to get pregnant, she will make sure she doesn't. If there isn't adequate birth control measures being taken she will say, "Good day sir!" and put her panties back on. If I can say nope to dope, she can too. If she doesn't, she has to deal with that dope for the next x number of years. | |
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| Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 9/20/2009 10:23:13 AM |
Like let's say I'm at a party and my friend passes me a joint. I say, "But I don't want to get high." He says, "But it's awesome!" So I say, "OK, let me have it." I proceed to smoke 4 joints and end up high as a kite. It's half my friend's fault for giving me the weed? Or half his fault for twisting my rubber arm? If a woman doesn't want to get pregnant, she will make sure she doesn't. If there isn't adequate birth control measures being taken she will say, "Good day sir!" and put her panties back on. If I can say nope to dope, she can too. If she doesn't, she has to deal with that dope for the next x number of years.
I am not misunderstanding/miscontruing anything. The anology you used only showed me that my understanding of your position and apparently alot of men is spot-on.
If a man is so stupid not to know that having sex could lead to pregnancy.......then he is a true idiot. If he doesn't want to have a baby with the woman he is sleeping with, he could insist on using a condom or just say no.
The problem with your analogy is that the friend that gave you weed...his life can't be affected by whether or not you smoke it....only yours is affected.
How many children by different women do you have? | |
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| Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 9/20/2009 11:47:22 AM | The problem with your analogy is that the friend that gave you weed...his life can't be affected by whether or not you smoke it....only yours is affected.
The problem with the interpretation of the analogy is that you're saying the person who's being affected should be more concerned with someone else. That's why people are making mistakes and having accidents. Your mind should be on what you're doing. Making a conscious effort to make a mistake based on whether or not you can take someone down with you is wreckless and foolish.
How many children by different women do you have?
I have 1 child by 1 woman. She was both conceived and born in wedlock. And she was no oops. | |
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| Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 9/20/2009 1:10:49 PM | Yes, I have 2 kids to 2 different men. Do I wish I would have been smarter and waited? Yes. Do I regret having my kids? NO! My kids are both happy and well adjusted. They are cared for properly, they are clean, fed, and clothed. They are socialized with other kids and adults as often as possible. They have me, their dad, a stepmom who ADORES them (and they adore her), grandparents that love them. Also, my blood family doesn't live near by. In different states in fact. So, I "built" a family for them. They are surrounded by people that love and support them.
My daugther's birth father isn't in the picture. We both decided on it. Can't say it was decided maturely, but it was decided. My ex husband who is my son's father has stepped in as dad to my daughter.
All this is more important than whether or not the birth father sticks around. You have to make the best of the situation you are in. My living situation allows me to go to school to better myself and once I finish school and get a job in my new field, I will be able to save my money and put it towards buying my own home and making my life better for the kids. Plus the kids get to see eachother all the time and get to see Daddy all the time.
The question shouldn't be WHY men run, but he ran, what am I going to do about it now? | |
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| Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 9/20/2009 1:45:51 PM |
The question shouldn't be WHY men run, but he ran, what am I going to do about it now?
Ooo, I like that question alot better! It's showing personal responsibility for getting pregnant and keeping it. If he ran, then what is the mother going to do about it now? So she's weighed her options, decided that keeping the baby is best for her... now what? Does she sit around cursing the man and trying her damndest to get back at him? Nope, she figures out how she is going to raise this baby with what she has, and makes sure that she can do what it takes to make her family a good one.
So he ran... whippty doo. Not all guys run, but the ones that do should't be given a second thought. If your going to keep this baby and raise it, then you should use whatever means YOU can to do it. Go ahead and wait around for support that's never going to come. How is that going to help your baby? | |
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| Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 9/20/2009 2:03:59 PM |
The question shouldn't be WHY men run, but he ran, what am I going to do about it now?
Ooo, I like that question alot better! It's showing personal responsibility for getting pregnant and keeping it. If he ran, then what is the mother going to do about it now? So she's weighed her options, decided that keeping the baby is best for her... now what? Does she sit around cursing the man and trying her damndest to get back at him? Nope, she figures out how she is going to raise this baby with what she has, and makes sure that she can do what it takes to make her family a good one.
So he ran... whippty doo. Not all guys run, but the ones that do should't be given a second thought. If your going to keep this baby and raise it, then you should use whatever means YOU can to do it. Go ahead and wait around for support that's never going to come. How is that going to help your baby?
Yep... Granted I'm guilty of the "Why me" or the "The ***hole ran" complaints. I still do... I grumble about what HE'S missing, NOT what SHE'S missing (which isn't much apparently). I grumble about what he's missing because she's just an awesome child. She's so happy and loving... and destructive...lol she likes running over toes with her push toys.... She's beautiful, happy, funny, and just PERFECT. But, while I'm thinking all this, I also move on and say "Ok, this is what I have to do... hmmm... what's the best way for everyone to DO it?" I decided to move back in with my ex husband (he offered, I accepted), I started going to school and doing everything else I need to do to improve not only MY life, but the KIDS' lives as well. I'm the ONLY one that will ALWAYS, not matter what, be in my daugther's life. | |
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| Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 9/20/2009 2:53:48 PM | Anything can grow old. Especially if its a routine. The hard part is making it fun. Its like sex itself. If you do the same thing all the time in bed, it get old and you don't enjoy it as much. You have to put some effort into it to make it work. Though, the every other month routine would not work in this case... Most BCs for women take a month to take full effect... Even if you don't stop taking your pill, you have to give your body time to get used to it. Its kinda like getting used to a new work schedule. If you're working nights for a month and used to sleeping during the day and you're switched to days, you have to give your body time to get used to the change. Though with this scenario, you can prepare for it. Most places give you a few days off to get used to your new schedule or do what you have to do to get yourself on a day schedule. They don't say "Oh, tomorrow you're on days. Be here at 8 am after you get off at 4 am." (Or what ever the case may be.) That and you can work through it. You can't do that with BC...
So, your idea (while its a good one) isn't a smart one... Because on the months that she's on the pill and he's NOT using a condom, you still run the risk of getting pregnant... | |
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| Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 9/20/2009 3:18:14 PM |
(itsallinthesoul) If a man is so stupid not to know that having sex could lead to pregnancy.......then he is a true idiot. If he doesn't want to have a baby with the woman he is sleeping with, he could insist on using a condom or just say no. As is she; and, as could she..
Yes, she could. The problem with that is, in some cases the woman is not as against having a baby as the man is at the time. Some women, after they get comfortable in the relationship, fall in love, or for some other mysterious reason, start to not be as careful with their bc use as they should be. They start to think having a baby with this man might not be such a bad idea. He'll come around to the idea when he sees his child, etc., etc., etc.
The question shouldn't be WHY men run, but he ran, what am I going to do about it now?
Ooo, I like that question alot better! It's showing personal responsibility for getting pregnant and keeping it. If he ran, then what is the mother going to do about it now? So she's weighed her options, decided that keeping the baby is best for her... now what? Does she sit around cursing the man and trying her damndest to get back at him? Nope, she figures out how she is going to raise this baby with what she has, and makes sure that she can do what it takes to make her family a good one.
So he ran... whippty doo. Not all guys run, but the ones that do should't be given a second thought. If your going to keep this baby and raise it, then you should use whatever means YOU can to do it. Go ahead and wait around for support that's never going to come. How is that going to help your baby? Yep... Granted I'm guilty of the "Why me" or the "The ***hole ran" complaints. I still do... I grumble about what HE'S missing, NOT what SHE'S missing (which isn't much apparently). I grumble about what he's missing because she's just an awesome child.
I don't really buy that for a large number of women they are feeling badly about what the man is missing. I think they are feeling badly that he didn't stick around to fulfill her dream of the perfect family with the white picket fence. | |
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| Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 9/20/2009 3:27:11 PM |
I don't really buy that for a large number of women they are feeling badly about what the man is missing. I think they are feeling badly that he didn't stick around to fulfill her dream of the perfect family with the white picket fence.
Notice I never said anything about marriage. I found out VERY quickly after I got pregnant with my daugther that I didn't want much to do with him anymore. I don't need a man for the perfect family and white picket fence dream... I'm working on the white picket fence, but I have the perfect family. I have 2 AWESOME kids and I don't really need a man to make it "complete." It already is... I have a fantastic relationship with my ex husband and his fiance (they got engaged today WOO HOO!!!) and my kids adore his fiance and her daughter, I have a great support system of family and friends. I have a few things to work on, but other than that, I am completely satisfied with my life. | |
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| Why men run at the first sign of pregnancy?
Posted: 9/20/2009 5:09:56 PM | Its about the lack of commitment. and the propensity to sin.
If the law stated that every father had to pay for their own children till their education was completed at a level of high school or university, men would count the cost before irresponsibly impregnating a woman. Remember the woman is the receiver and the man is the giver thats why he has a penis. I also think perhaps they would be more accountability in dating. | |
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