| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/17/2009 9:05:46 AM | .
Insurance companies only have a 3-4% profit margin. Without the increases in premiums the companies would have gone bankrupt. So instead Obama is going to bankrupt the US
Your supporting the H/C Corporate Carte? Get real...
Margin? How about Gross Margin?
Not Profit margin.... after stock repurchase, Stock bonus, dividends,
...Take over of smaller companies.... consolidation of the industry the past 10 years...
...Compensation to CEO's and Management ( Bill Mc Quire $1.7 BILLION) ............
No major corporation is going to show a large Profit margin.... That is how they avoid taxes....
The H/C carte can fix prices, divide market areas ..... legally.......... No danger of BK....
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/18/2009 5:53:42 PM |
"He wants to eliminate annual and lifetime caps on insurance coverage. He wants to prevent insurance companies from charging higher rates on people with pre-existing conditions. He also wants to prevent insurance companies from refusing to cover people with pre-existing conditions. He wants to put limits on how much insurance companies can make people pay out-of-pocket."
You're proved ZERO... this is all your own speculation... and i dare say that if you were so good at speculation, you'd have so much money you'd have different political views.
That comes from the administrations own website.
http://www.healthreform.gov/
Here's a few FACTS for you... the GOP supports reforms in health care...
1) I couldn't care less what the GOP supports. They are no better than the Demoncrats.
2) I'd also like to see reforms. It's too bad Obama hasn't offered any.
the GOP agrees that insurance companies should not be allowed to refuse covering people with pre-existing conditions...
Then they are fools.
and the GOP believes the CBO that tremendous savings can be realized through greater efficiency and reduction of fraud in the current health care system.
This same government that's going to increase effiiency and reduce fraud couldn't supply its own soldiers with body armor and put Saddam Hussein into power. Are you old enough to remember the $300 toilet seats the government bought? Obama's own Cash for Clunkers program was an inefficient waste of taxpayer money. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/18/2009 7:11:22 PM |
the GOP agrees that insurance companies should not be allowed to refuse covering people with pre-existing conditions...
Then they are fools. This one statement you make is enough to sum up where you come from.Are you without conscience,so you think tens of millions should be left in the cold to die because there pre conditions are not covered.Shame on you !
and the GOP believes the CBO that tremendous savings can be realized through greater efficiency and reduction of fraud in the current health care system. absolutely true,over ten billion in known medicare fraud alone
This same government that's going to increase efficiency and reduce fraud couldn't supply its own soldiers with body armor seems Bush/Cheney could not !And Boy you have to go back a lot of years to remember $300 toilet seats,whats next, the logic of J. Edgar Hoover era
Obama's own Cash for Clunkers program was an inefficient waste of taxpayer money. It stimulated car sales,it was a good try,could have gone better,you act like Obama is the same as the bull and lies of the GOP for the last 20 years in power,there is a new sheriff in town,but after your comment that only fools would force insurance companies to cover pre existing conditions,I don't expect "for the good of everyone " logic from you ! | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/18/2009 7:34:43 PM |
This one statement you make is enough to sum up where you come from.Are you without conscience,so you think tens of millions should be left in the cold to die because there pre conditions are not covered.Shame on you !
Shame on you for bankrupting the nation in order to pay for your warm fuzzy feeling inside!
It stimulated car sales,it was a good try,could have gone better,you act like Obama is the same as the bull and lies of the GOP for the last 20 years in power,there is a new sheriff in town
Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
but after your comment that only fools would force insurance companies to cover pre existing conditions,I don't expect "for the good of everyone " logic from you !
This just causes everyone to pay more money for insurance and health care. 25% of health care costs are caused by 1% of the people. 95% of the costs are caused by 5% of the people. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/18/2009 7:52:34 PM |
So again... kindly don't hand us unfounded speculation and fear mongering
http://www.americanhealthsolution.org/assets/Reform-Resources/AHIP-Reform-Resources/PWC-Report-on-Costs-Final.pdf | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/18/2009 8:04:48 PM | | This whole preexisting condition thing is kind of troubling....will these people have to pay more than people without existing conditions? I mean if someone has stage 3 cancer for example and needs hundreds of thousands of dollars per year worth of chemo and radiation treatments will they pay the same as a person that very rarely goes to the Hospital for any type of service and only uses a couple thousand dollars worth of services or supplies in a year? | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/18/2009 8:08:01 PM |
Shame on you for bankrupting the nation in order to pay for your warm fuzzy feeling inside! we are the only nation and one of the wealthiest of them all that does not cover all their people
Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss . This topic has already been debated to death on the site,and after tens of pages,no proof has ever been given to show he is the same ,nice try at hate though,your very believable ! This just causes everyone to pay more money for insurance and health care. 25% of health care costs are caused by 1% of the people. 95% of the costs are caused by 5% of the people. Your interesting,as if your a lobbyist for the insurance companies.They have a monopoly on all not covering almost all bad things,even bad Acne can be a condition that can make you uninsured,and some how you feel its fair to jack the premium up ten times or make it not available at any price as they are doing now.You certainly are not for those that are unlucky enough to have a precondition as 17 million people have it now,most of those work and are willing to pay,but nothing is available, hey but as long as your covered,whats the problem,what can you expect though from a guy in a warlock outfit claiming anarchy in your interest category,anarchists adore causing pain to people and being a general pain in the general populations butt,as long as its not you,wheres the harm. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/18/2009 8:20:11 PM | | Anarchist dont adore causing pain and they are not a general pain in the general populations but....what is rather annoying is having fanatical zealot Obama supporters on every thread singing Kumbya and praising everything Obama does....Health Care Insurance for everyone is a noble concept but when some will be expected to pay a lot while others pay nothing that is not really Fair...yes I know I said Fair...you all think we owe everyone because you are under the impression that Health care insurance is a basic Human right I think access to Health care should be a basic right but those who have the ability to pay should and some should not be forced to pay more than others Unless they are receiving more benefits... | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/18/2009 8:24:34 PM |
This whole preexisting condition thing is kind of troubling....will these people have to pay more than people without existing conditions? I mean if someone has stage 3 cancer for example and needs hundreds of thousands of dollars per year worth of chemo and radiation treatments will they pay the same as a person that very rarely goes to the Hospital for any type of service and only uses a couple thousand dollars worth of services or supplies in a year? Having been raised in an insurance family,its common knowledge that when ever a giant insurance company is showing a loss for the year,what they are showing is a loss of profits over the last year,they are not actually in a loss,its that there profit is not as great as it was before,there is no loss.Insurance companies do not lose.Your argument applies also to them refusing to offer affordable flood insurance,they make tens of billions of dollars and go to great lengths to make sure they exclude those that actually have a bona fide need.It is and has always been that an insurance companies makes vast amounts of money off those that don't have a need to pay for those that do,over the years they have excluded most all illnesses so now they only make the money a far less is paid out,thats how they record record profits in modern times,pretty slick,legal robbery,and Obama wants it changed,oh and you said he's the same as the old boss,you chose a catchy phrase over using fact.
It irks me when people are more concerned with the poor insurance company over the person with stage three cancer.Are people so blind that they don't realize that we end up paying in so many ways when we don't allow these people insurance,we deal with there costs of things like paying for there foreclosures and medical bankruptcies and a long list of things related to someone hung out to dry.
As I stated before we are the only nation that does not cover all there citizens,so are you going to tell me all other nations have bankrupted themselves over preconditions,that they are ruined countries because they cover 100% of their people.Hardly ! you same people that complain that America is the only country that cannot figure out a way to cover all there citizens or that its impossible without certain doom are also the ones that protest everything the other countries do to achieve it.Ahhh ignorance at its finest ! | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/18/2009 8:48:22 PM |
Anarchist dont adore causing pain and they are not a general pain in the general populations but....what is rather annoying is having fanatical zealot Obama supporters on every thread singing Kumbya and praising everything Obama does....Health Care Insurance for everyone is a noble concept but when some will be expected to pay a lot while others pay nothing that is not really Fair...yes I know I said Fair...you all think we owe everyone because you are under the impression that Health care insurance is a basic Human right I think access to Health care should be a basic right but those who have the ability to pay should and some should not be forced to pay more than others Unless they are receiving more benefits... Nothing you said is accurate as usual,as for singing Kum BayYa I only call out the small handful of ones that are fact challenged,lack all memory,such as the case here ,each item of this topic has been explained , what 20 times to you by a dozen people,and proven its not a free ride and almost everyone wants to pay for ther own insurance,yada yada yada .Both of you are Obama Haters and both seem to believe that causing anarchy is just fine,A modern day anarchist is the first to throw a trash can through a store window in a protest,there easy to find they have a cloth around there face to hide behind,they cause anarchy,they enjoy it,you seem to think its noble,so the more you talk the more you define how far out there you are.
Just try to explain to me why we are the only country thats to challenged ,to inept,to manage to give all people insurance,why is that,one of the richest ,smartest countries is to stupid to figure out what every other country is doing successfully,well for starters they probably finally said one day, we have to ignore those that hate,and those that cry out the sky is falling,look out we're going to suffer great pain,trust me people.Well that is unfounded fear based talk,not based in reality or you would see all the countries in bankrupted ruin because they cover all their citizens,that's proof there,not to you,but it is to those that deal in fact,not fear.
How long do you need to watch the other countries before you realize nothing bad ever happened.Ask any Canadian ,and they say they would never want to lose there system,that all they want is a choice of a pay for system added into an already great system,thats not exactly what I see as a problem,and are they ignoring their citizens,no they are not,they are working on an option.That's where they feel their system could be improved.Its already been explained in detail each of the systems and which country has which,there is no need to retype reams of info just for you. At some point you have to figure out have to remember what has been shown to you,in fact a lot of what written to you every day,is why are you unable to remember whats been shown you. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/18/2009 9:04:59 PM | Ok then will a person who uses Hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of supplies and services because they have a preexisting condition such as stage 3 Cancer pay the same as someone who doesn't have a preexisting condition and uses only a couple of thousand dollars worth of supplies and services a year?
And how much do you think we should have to pay for UHC? | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/19/2009 5:41:23 AM | I will tell you folks another issue that will tank the obamas ratings.
I have excellent health care coverage from my employer. It is one of those evil "Cadillac plans"...they pay for it all...Now...the obama wants to TAX my employeer 40% on the plan...HOW THE HELL IS THAT GOOD FOR ME? My employer will not pay the extra 40% TAX..and I can not blame them...How is taxing a business who treats their people right and supplies a great insurance plan going to improve the economy and reform health care?
This makes me very angry folks...the obama and his liberal dumbots are taking something from me and all the others who work for my company.
I want YOU liberals to EXPLAIN to me how this is a good thing............... | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/19/2009 6:25:46 AM | ok... so you're an anarchist... lots of luck.
IMO, bottomline to health care is that there needs to be a low cost option that provides a measure of health care, perhaps not the best health care but, at least care, for a low cost. There are simply too many folks without health care. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/19/2009 6:28:42 AM | "This one statement you make is enough to sum up where you come from.Are you without conscience,so you think tens of millions should be left in the cold to die because there pre conditions are not covered.Shame on you !"
imalwayssmiling... you can't have a constructive debate with this guy... he's an anarchist so nothing the government does or doesn't do will satisfy him. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/19/2009 6:35:12 AM | "This whole preexisting condition thing is kind of troubling..."
A good friend of mine has been employed at a company for the last 20 years. During that time, his wife was diagnosed with Cherg Strauss syndrome... some of her treatment costs $ 5,000 a month. His company was recently sold to another company so he is looking for other employment. If and when he lands another job, the health care insurance company does not have to cover his wife's illness because it's a pre-existing condition. Fair? | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/19/2009 6:48:37 AM | "while others pay nothing that is not really Fair...yes I know I said Fair...you all think we owe everyone because you are under the impression that Health care insurance is a basic Human right I think access to Health care should be a basic right but those who have the ability to pay..."
And if the company you work for decides that paying for employee health care insurance is too expensive, it should just drop it and leave you and yours without health care insurance?
Note: health care insurance premiums have risen by 420% over the last 10 years... with a new projection by the health care insurance companies to rise again by 10% this coming year. Many companies, such as Starbucks, that employ full time, lower wage folks, dropped their health care coverage because it was getting too costly. I can appreciate their position because it can come down to a matter of being in business or not BUT, this is why there needs to be a low cost option.
Right now, my 24 year old son works as an executive chef in a small upscale restaurant that does not offer health care insurance because there is no low cost option. He cut himself and had to go to the emergency room for 60 stitches. The bill was over $ 1000... pretty steep for a 24 year old trying to make ends meet with college loans, rent, transportation (can't afford a car), etc... so who pays? | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/19/2009 7:02:11 AM | Ah, but that is the question isn't it...Who do you think should pay?
He is 24 he has a job ....Health Insurance for a 24 year old is not that expensive per month.....
60 stitches is a lot of stitches...hope he is ok..I have had hundreds of stitches through out my life,60 stitches represents a pretty substantial injury.... | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/19/2009 10:03:17 AM |
The bill was over $ 1000... pretty steep for a 24 year old trying to make ends meet with college loans, rent, transportation (can't afford a car), etc... so who pays?
Well DADDY...you can pay the bill or your son can make arrangements with the hospital to pay it himself. Why should I pay for your sons accident? Why should anyone be held responsible for anyone else's bills? He can get a part time job...you know...it is called working and being responsible for your own bills...
I tell you this much...as soon as this bullshit obamacare comes into being...all employers will drop their insurance coverage on the employees and we will all be on the government tit..is that what you want? Talk about being blind...how are we going to pay when everyone is forced to be on the government tit? Taxes will increase ten fold and another useless government welfare program will be added to the burden of the populace. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/19/2009 10:29:42 AM | .
He cut himself and had to go to the emergency room for 60 stitches. The bill was over $ 1000... pretty steep for a 24 year old trying to make ends meet with college loans, rent, transportation (can't afford a car), etc... so who pays?
Thats a lot ....60.
I won't do more than 10 on my dog, friend, or myself ....
What about Workmans Comp... That's the Insurance Small Business would be able to Drop with U/C... However most small business cheat .... too expensive....
It is sad that the $1000 he pays is retail... Insurance pays a reduced rate....
Your son will be supporting the CEO profits when he pays...
Yesterday on one of the Sun Talks a guy said it wrong that the GOP does not support a public plan...
REAL cost savings.....
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/19/2009 1:23:48 PM | Post 93 said (Right now, my 24 year old son works as an executive chef in a small upscale restaurant that does not offer health care insurance because there is no low cost option. He cut himself and had to go to the emergency room for 60 stitches. The bill was over $ 1000... pretty steep for a 24 year old trying to make ends meet with college loans, rent, transportation (can't afford a car), etc... so who pays?)
This is not really a good example for the Health Care Reform Mess.
Although many companies do not offer personal insurance, they do have to pay into certain state insurance plans. Worker's Compensation is one such plan. The hospital ER should have immediately asked whether this was work related or not. If it was work related, then a state work related compensation report should have been filed.
Sounds like someone needs to ck into worker's compensation, what you are writing sounds like an on the job injury.
Unless the boy was doing something illegal at work or outside of the job's safety rules he is covered under state worker's compensation insurance.
Also many many colleges and universities have a health care plan build into their tutition that covers emergency room visits.
Sounds like someone needs to do some research.
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/19/2009 1:36:40 PM | .
Sounds like someone needs to ck into worker's compensation, what you are writing sounds like an on the job injury.
Unless the boy was doing something illegal at work or outside of the job's safety rules he is covered under state worker's compensation insurance.
Really??????????????????
This is the biggest scam the Companies that hire under the table use.............
Monford meat packing can pay a cutter less why>>>>
When he cuts a tendon he will go back to Mexico............. after he heads to the ER.................illegal.....
The Capitalist of this country don't get Insurance..... POOL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/19/2009 3:19:12 PM | According to this ABC News-Washington Post Poll 57% of respondents support the creation of a public option. The number goes up to 76% if it restricted to only those who can not afford health insurance.
Now if only the politicians will listen to the voters and not the insurance companies.
http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Politics/obama-health-care-abc-news-washington-post-poll/Story?id=8863442 | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/19/2009 3:32:51 PM | It looks like how one looks at the poll.
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0Overall, 45 percent of Americans favor the broad outlines of the proposals now moving in Congress, while 48 percent are opposed, about the same division as in August at the height of the angry town hall meetings over health care. Seven in 10 Democrats back the plan while almost nine in 10 Republicans oppose it. Independents divide 52 percent against, 42 percent in favor of the set of reforms.
There are also deep splits in the new poll over whether the proposed changes go too far or not far enough in expanding coverage and controlling costs. Twice as many see the plan as leading to too much, rather than too little, government involvement, but since last month there has been a nine-point increase in the number who say government should be more involved.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/19/AR2009101902451_2.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2009101902502 )
Interesting that there is not really data on the pollsters and there are no other polls out there to compare this with.
But in looking at the increase it is with stipulations on the bill as seen in August. So not really too much has changed. Overall the bill has not gathered any support, just certain parts are liked as before.
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/19/2009 3:40:24 PM |
According to this ABC News-Washington Post Poll 57% of respondents support the creation of a public option. The number goes up to 76% if it restricted to only those who can not afford health insurance.
Now if only the politicians will listen to the voters and not the insurance companies.
The fear created by the lies and distortions being told by some in the republican party is starting to give way to the truth about health care reform | |
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