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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/19/2009 3:40:24 PM |
According to this ABC News-Washington Post Poll 57% of respondents support the creation of a public option. The number goes up to 76% if it restricted to only those who can not afford health insurance.
Now if only the politicians will listen to the voters and not the insurance companies.
The fear created by the lies and distortions being told by some in the republican party is starting to give way to the truth about health care reform | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/19/2009 4:11:40 PM |
Overall the bill has not gathered any support, just certain parts are liked as before.
If you are referring to the Baucus bill, which is the only bill that I am aware of that has been drafted , perhaps the reason it hasn't gathered any support is because it doesn't have a public option in it. Progressives are overwhelmingly opposed to that bill.
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/12/grijalva-baucus-bill-has-no-legitimacy/ | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/20/2009 6:42:51 AM |
The fear created by the lies and distortions being told by some in the republican party is starting to give way to the truth about health care reform This probably has more to do with more Americans losing there jobs every day,I guess Obamas dragging his feet on job creation is having the desired effect.... | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/20/2009 7:46:36 AM |
This probably has more to do with more Americans losing there jobs every day,I guess Obamas dragging his feet on job creation is having the desired effect....
It's easy to critize, so please tell me what President Obama should be doing differently in your educated opinion to create more jobs? And then please tell me why the republican party let our countries employment situation get to this state | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/20/2009 8:54:54 AM |
so please tell me what President Obama should be doing differently in your educated opinion to create more jobs? And then please tell me why the republican party let our countries employment situation get to this state Its a good point for anyone,its very important to study all the reasons of what the Bush administration did for 8 years to contribute to the unemployment to clearly define what Obama needs to do to turn around all the various factors.First off let me say Obama already needs to know what he needs to do.
We all know this has been a long trend happening,Are older ones remember the loss of jobs throughout the years,the closing of mom and pops and favoring Home Depot and Walmarts,the turning to manufacturing overseas rather than here,the buying of cheaper overseas /overborder foods causing our farms to bankrupt thus now all these years later allowing predator giant growers to come in with there genetically altered seed and deplorable waste practice,employee practice,and their lobbyists.Watching mega trawlers whole factory type ships fishing us dry putting out thousands of mom and pop fisherman,allowing mega conglomerates pollute our waterways.The turning to robotics rather than many hands.I like robotics,lets work around that !
It has been happening for decades,many,things here went unmentioned and Bush held a role,did he better anything job wise or did he worsen it.
All this past occurrences are pertinent to now,the how to fix it.Some things are easy but others extremely complex,most very time consuming,one cannot decline our employment practices over many decades and think any president can fix it quickly,that's not even fair to have that expectation.
Easy stuff is like,when I came from Oregon,we(Oregon/Washington) milled (cut and shaped) all our own cut trees and then sold it worldwide as lumber and fancy trim at a good price per foot.Then all of a sudden after some negotiation we started sending Japan the whole tree,they milled it,and we bought alot from them.They didn't just get the tree they got our finest grade of lumber.That means instead of selling them milled trimwork we sold the rough log at like $200 in large quantity whereas when we milled the log the trim was worth over ten times that,thats our profit lost,and because we stopped milling almost every mill in Oregon went broke and all the employees moved on sasturating other industries that to moved overseas.
So our economy had to deal with all the bankruptcies of the lumber industry employees and owners,all the unemployment,all the clear cutting of our forests because cutting and shipping a whole log is a lot faster,and we altered our economy in Oregon,even the clear cutting changed the way we have forest fires ,fires are 4 times bigger now,meaning 4 times the destruction of timber and beauty,and the beauty is a tourist dollar plus.Was the choice of a handful of logging companies the right choice,did they have the right to cause this much problem ,boiling it down to there profits or our economy.
Lots of our problems are that we have all the countries do what we used to do,there's your hundreds of thousands of jobs.Its all complex and my timber example is just one little industry in a very long list of industries.Its not an easy job for any president,but one that a president has to always work on to keep a rope around it.I never thought Obama could turn it around in ten months,but he talks of the right direction,that is putting "US" to work not letting another country handle it.If he works on infrastructure,roads ,briges and such,just for starters it keeps the work here.
Do any of you remember "Made in the USA" and then when we saw something was made in China,we laughed because we knew it was junk.Well we financed then into being able to improve themselves into high quality cheap items,that we buy almost everything from,we outsourced until we had no more.It will be hard to change this since China is who we turn to for loans,we indebted financially.Obama going green also creates jobs for us.that's tens of thousands of American solar installers,Obama keep working on solutions that employ us not other countries.There is nothing easy here,he has a very complex mountain climb ahead of him,best he can do it bite off small chunks at a time.
It would help if we had a country wide campaign going to strive for "made in America"or "Buy American even if it hurts" a factory that wants to move to Mexico should be booed,might not stop them,but let them know that taking away an American factory is something bad if the only reason is greater profits .At some point we need to think us all of us,not just the board of directors of a company.Its a big job indeed ! | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/20/2009 1:12:21 PM | "Its a good point for anyone,its very important to study all the reasons of what the Bush administration did for 8 years to contribute to the unemployment to clearly define what Obama needs to do to turn around all the various factors.First off let me say Obama already needs to know what he needs to do."
Well i truly hope he doesn't study Bush... lol.
The reasons we are where we are, IMO, is because we've perpetuated a paranoia called McCarthyism.
We've systematically proceeded... step-by-step... toward a more militaristic and theocratic society out of FEAR. As a result, we involved ourselves in wars, had our children killed, and annually spent more on defense than the rest of the world COMBINED... and we've spent ourselves into greater debt than any country has in the history of mankind.
History shows us time and again that when a people destroys another in war, the victor has a 100+ year economic advantage over the losers. With the exception of the U.S., the world was basically destroyed in WWII... yet it has only taken us 65 years to completely lose our advantage.
Now I'm not advocating a new war... quite the contrary... but great changes need to take place in the United States. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/20/2009 3:45:51 PM | Rasmussen Polls show that it seems the people who approve and disapprove of the Health Care Reform is about the same as it has been.
Most Voters Say They Know Health Care Bill Much Better Than CongressForty-two percent (42%) of voters now favor the health care plan, down two points from a week ago and down four from the week before. Fifty-four percent (54%) are opposed, but the numbers have been remarkably stable throughout the debate. http://news.yahoo.com/s/rasmussen/20091020/pl_rasmussen/healthcare20091020_1 | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/20/2009 5:47:51 PM | Note how conservatives love to cite Rasmussen, even though their findings are out of line with most every other poll.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_10/020519.php
GOP'S PUBLIC STANDING DETERIORATES.... We talked earlier about the new Washington Post/ABC News poll and the support for the public option as part of health care reform. The news wasn't good for Republicans: Americans not only support a public plan, but they consider it significantly more important than bipartisanship.
...just 19 percent express confidence in the Republicans in Congress to do so. Even among Republicans, only 40 percent express confidence in the GOP congressional leadership to make good choices.
Only 20 percent of adults identify themselves as Republicans, little changed in recent months, but still the lowest single number in Post-ABC polls since 1983.
Looking through the internals, confidence in congressional Republicans to make the right decisions has fallen over the course of the year, and it's now down to just 19%. To be sure, confidence in congressional Democrats is far from stellar, but it's nearly double the GOP's numbers.
But the fact that only 20% of adults self-identify as Republicans is the most striking result. To put the number in perspective, remember that in 1992, Ross Perot and whatever it was his party was called got about 19% of the vote nationwide. Republicans are only slightly stronger now.
at this point, the public isn't buying what Republicans are selling. President Obama's support isn't as strong as it was -- though a 57% approval rating is pretty impressive at this point -- but the GOP has failed to capitalize. To the contrary, the minority, instead of positioning itself as a serious, credible alternative, is moving backwards.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/19/AR2009101902451.html
A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that support for a government-run health-care plan to compete with private insurers has rebounded from its summertime lows and wins clear majority support from the public.
On the issue that has been perhaps the most pronounced flash point in the national debate, 57 percent of all Americans now favor a public insurance option, while 40 percent oppose it. Support has risen since mid-August, when a bare majority, 52 percent, said they favored it. (In a June Post-ABC poll, support was 62 percent.)
If a public plan were run by the states and available only to those who lack affordable private options, support for it jumps to 76 percent. Under those circumstances, even a majority of Republicans, 56 percent, would be in favor of it, about double their level of support without such a limitation.
Fifty-six percent of those polled back a provision mandating that all Americans buy insurance, either through their employers or on their own or through Medicare or Medicaid. That number rises to 71 percent if the government were to provide subsidies for many lower-income Americans to help them buy coverage. With those qualifiers, a majority of Republicans say they support the mandate.
a slim majority of Americans, 51 percent, would prefer a plan that included some form of government insurance for people who cannot get affordable private coverage even if it had no GOP support in Congress. Thirty-seven percent would rather have a bipartisan plan that did not feature a public option. Republicans and Democrats are on opposite sides of this question, while independents prefer a bill that includes a public option but does not have Republican support, by 52 percent to 35 percent.
Overall, 57 percent approve of the way Obama is handling his job as president and 40 percent disapprove
On the economy, 50 percent approve of Obama's efforts, while 48 percent disapprove.
The president receives better marks from all Americans for his handling of international affairs and his performance as commander in chief (57 percent approval on each). Slim majorities also approve of how he is dealing the situation with Iran and his winning of the Nobel Peace Prize
Poll respondents are evenly divided when asked whether they have confidence in Obama to make the right decisions for the country's future, but just 19 percent express confidence in the Republicans in Congress to do so. Even among Republicans, only 40 percent express confidence in the GOP congressional leadership to make good choices.
Now let's do the math. Only 20% of all americans identify as republican and only 40% of them express confidence in the GOP congressional leadership. 40% of 20% is 8%. Only 8% of ALL americans have confidence in GOP congressmembers.
Congratulations on being an eight-percenter.
and there's more
The wide gap in partisan leanings and the lack of confidence in the GOP carries into early assessments of the November 2010 midterm elections: Fifty-one percent say they would back the Democratic candidate in their congressional district if the elections were held now, while 39 percent would vote for the Republican. Independents split 45 percent for the Democrat, 41 percent for the Republican.
How long before the GOP is dead and buried? | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/20/2009 7:56:18 PM | With the Washington Post still less than 50% support what Congress is trying to push through on Health Care --- Overall 45% Support , While 48% oppose Directly from Washington Post itself on 10/20/09 As stated earlier in post 100.
So now we have two polls one at 48% opposed and one at 54% opposed averaging out at 51% opposed. Then when you average the in favor (45% in favor with Washington Post and 42% with Rasmussen) you get 43.5%.....
Either way you slice it people are still not warming up to the Reform mess as Congress is trying to push it through. Even the Washington Post states that the division is about the same as during the summer time.
So if you want to look at the Post now and see a change that they don't see then you might want to look at their polls from back then.
From the Washington Post (Overall, 45 percent of Americans favor the broad outlines of the proposals now moving in Congress, while 48 percent are opposed, about the same division that existed in August, at the height of angry town hall meetings over health-care reform. Seven in 10 Democrats back the plan, while almost nine in 10 Republicans oppose it. Independents divide 52 percent against, 42 percent in favor of the legislation. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/19/AR2009101902451_2.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST20091019025020
http://news.yahoo.com/s/rasmussen/20091020/pl_rasmussen/healthcare20091020_1 | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/20/2009 8:05:57 PM |
From the Washington Post (Overall, 45 percent of Americans favor the broad outlines of the proposals now moving in Congress, while 48 percent are opposed, about the same division that existed in August, at the height of angry town hall meetings over health-care reform. Seven in 10 Democrats back the plan, while almost nine in 10 Republicans oppose it. Independents divide 52 percent against, 42 percent in favor of the legislation. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/19/AR2009101902451_2.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST20091019025020
The most important poll took place Nov 08 when the people elected Senator Obama as the next president of the USA, he ran on a ticket that included health care reform. The next important poll will be held Nov 2010 when the people will once again elect those they want to represent them in the senate. Health Care reform will be passed by then and the republicans will suffer further losses, 2010 is the END for the GOP may they rest in peace | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/20/2009 8:56:52 PM | Heres a fun story from the Wall Street Journal on how much we can trust these polls,or a why we should or could question any poll.Click the link for full story or read the main parts here!
http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/polling-controversy-raises-questions-of-disclosure-805/?mod=relevancy
* October 7, 2009, 12:05 AM ET
Polling Controversy Raises Questions of Disclosure
By Carl Bialik
My print column this week examines a polling controversy. The American Association for Public Opinion Research publicly criticized Strategic Vision LLC for not cooperating with an Aapor review of 2008 primary polling. Blogger Nate Silver analyzed the firm’s numbers and said he found statistical irregularities. And the firm, though it didn’t respond to Wall Street Journal requests for comment, has defended its work in comments to other publications. “I stand by our work,” Mr. Johnson told Washington, D.C., paper the Hill last month. “We’ve done the work, and we can prove that we’ve done it.”
pollMathematicians said the Silver analysis — finding that certain digits showed up far more often than others in Strategic Vision polls — was troubling but want to see more evidence. Jordan Ellenberg, a University of Wisconsin, Madison, mathematician, blogged that the case isn’t as persuasive as investigations into possible fraud in the Iranian election. “It’s not so substantial that I would have gone public with it, if it were me,” Ellenberg said, but he does think it merits further investigation.
“To strengthen the argument that Strategic Vision’s (or any other polling group’s) numbers seem unusual, the next step would be to assess the observed variation across a number of similar polling organizations and see where various groups fall,” said Lance Waller, a biostatistician at Emory University.
Strategic Vision is a Republican firm, but its critics — Aapor and the National Council on Public Polls, which also issued a statement calling for disclosure — aren’t partisan, and the firm’s polls haven’t been notably favorable to Republican candidates.
Pollsters are unsure of how to identify bad polls. “I’m not sure there’s a gatekeeper mechanism that works,” said Mark Blumenthal, a former Democratic pollster who now covers the industry at Pollster.com. “I propose we do a better job of scoring disclosure to create incentives for pollsters to disclose more.” His colleague at Pollster.com, Charles Franklin of the University of Wisconsin, Madison, said, “If [Bernie] Madoff could fool the SEC not to mention investors, unscrupulous pollsters could also hide details or even fake some things in a far less scrutinized and regulated industry.”
Some pollsters do take steps to check their surveys. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s National Center for Health Statistics monitors its phone surveys, and recontacts 5% to 10% of respondents to in-person surveys, according to a spokesman.
Aapor plans to spotlight pollsters that use sound methodology and disclose their methods. The thinking, said Miller, is, “how can we make this a positive for organizations, as opposed to a club with which to beat organizations when they fail to be transparent.”
Tom Jensen, communications director of the firm Public Policy Polling, said the news media bears some responsibility for reporting questionable polls. “I don’t think polls should be reported if basic information to see if the numbers are valid is not given, such as party breakdowns,” Jensen said. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/21/2009 12:08:56 AM |
We've systematically proceeded... step-by-step... toward a more militaristic and theocratic society out of FEAR. As a result, we involved ourselves in wars, had our children killed, and annually spent more on defense than the rest of the world COMBINED... and we've spent ourselves into greater debt than any country has in the history of mankind.
Holy crap we agree again! I offer up the following solution: Let's cut spending. I'm talking deep substantial cuts. Not just in our military but also in our social safety nets. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/21/2009 6:14:47 AM | "Obamas dragging his feet on job creation is having the desired effect...."
there is no such thing as government creating private sector jobs... particularly short term... | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 10/21/2009 6:38:19 AM | "Let's cut spending. I'm talking deep substantial cuts. Not just in our military but also in our social safety nets. "
I agree with that... it's just that our politicians... on both sides of the aisle... have an arrogant sense that they are so powerful they can resolve the economic, financial and employment issues... and they can't.
The GOP thinks that they're going to cut taxes and that's going to stimulate the economy... they couldn't be more wrong... there has never been a tax cut that paid for itself through economic growth. We simply end up more in debt so more and more of our taxes are spent paying the interest on the debt.
The democrats have similar issues but they also tend to overspend in giveaways thinking that they can force people to improve. Bottom line here is you give people equal opportunity and then stand back to let the chips fall where they may.
IMO... if the U.S. wants a strong vibrant country back again... the areas that require big federal spending are in the development of solar and geothermal power, and to a lesser extent wind... like the space program of the 60s, the development of these technologies will create more, new, long term jobs than you shake a stick at... it will make us clean energy independent, pay off our debt, lower our cost of living, and take the money out of the hands of terrorists thereby making us more secure...
Another area is support for early childhood education... research is clear, the earlier the education, the lower the crime rate, the more likely you graduate high school and go on... and the more educated the population, the more secure and prosperous...
Lastly, and unfortunately, we're going to need an overhaul of a lot of infrastructure... it's falling down around us and if we're going to have to do it to preserve our transportation and communications services... | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 11/19/2009 3:02:01 PM | It seems that wither or not your Pro Choice, or Pro Life,....the New Health Care Package will include Federal Funded Abortion.
I for one hope the obama plan fails ...now before everyone on the left goes apeshit..let me explain. I KNOW the health care system needs to be revamped. I know it will not be easy, but to send us as a nation trillions more in debt, we need to SLOW down and concentrate on fixing it, not just throwing more money at it.
Thats the Governments answer for everything,.....Just keep throwing Money at it.
Same as with Abortion,...Obama stated that Babies are Abuseing mothers,..or something like that,...Obama is "Anti Baby",..and "Pro Abortion",....and of course,...it got included in the "New Health care Bill",.....
even tho it has NO PLACE,...and NO RIGHT being in there.
On a controversial issue that threatened to derail the House-passed bill, Reid would allow the new government insurance plan to cover abortions and would let companies that receive federal funds offer insurance plans that include abortion coverage.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091119/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul
A mother desiring an Abortion, should have to face the reality that if she cant keep her legs closed,..or at least use "Protection",..then its her responsibility to pay for an Abortion,..NOT the Governments.
I read this morning, that School Children, can, and do leave their schools,..to go get Abortions,..without their Parents knowledge,..or consent.......
Who do you think is behind that,..and who do you think Foots the Bill ???
Should the Taxpayers,.pay into a system,...so people can get Abortions,..that could of easily been prevented, and not be such a costly burden to our Health Care System ?
No wonder Taxpayers are disaproving this Health care Plan,....but I bet it passes. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 11/19/2009 3:41:10 PM |
A mother desiring an Abortion, should have to face the reality that if she cant keep her legs closed,..or at least use "Protection",..then its her responsibility to pay for an Abortion,..NOT the Governments.
Yeah especially those ones that are raped, I bet they where asking for it.
I read this morning, that School Children, can, and do leave their schools,..to go get Abortions,..without their Parents knowledge,..or consent.......
Really , where did you read that at?
Should the Taxpayers,.pay into a system,...so people can get Abortions,..that could of easily been prevented, and not be such a costly burden to our Health Care System ?
Yes they should, because the cost of raising an unwanted child cost the tax payer far more than an abortion.
No wonder Taxpayers are disaproving this Health care Plan,....but I bet it passes.
More like a talking point for conservative evangelicals with an agenda.
Seems to be the conservative way:
Protect the Fetus at all cost, even kill others to defend it.
But
Once you are born you are on your own sucker, no heath care or any help, its everyone for themselves. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 11/19/2009 4:13:55 PM | A mother desiring an Abortion, should have to face the reality that if she cant keep her legs closed,..or at least use "Protection",..then its her responsibility to pay for an Abortion,..NOT the Governments.
This is not the abortion thread, but once it's brought up, seems like it just devolves into the same old worn out arguments.
That said; the above quote is beyond disgusting and sexist.
Unless you--the writer of said quote--have never--not even one time--had sexual intercourse, then you have no foundation upon which to stand your sexist self.
I have been in sexual encounters that were unplanned yet consensual--meaning both the man and myself agreed upon the sexual act.
The man was half of the act.
Get it?
He was there--he dropped trou--WE had sex.
Let's rephrase your quote:
"Unless a man and a woman are prepared to accept that a pregnancy could be the result of their sexual encounter, they should keep their pants on." That, at least, adds the man into the sexual equation.
'Cuz, the woman...did not...become pregnant...all...by...herself...
From the Washington Post:
Since 1976, Congress has annually approved the Hyde Amendment, which bars the use of federal Medicaid funds to pay for abortions except in cases of rape, incest or danger to the woman's life. Some states, however, use state funds to pay for procedures in other cases for poor women...
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 11/19/2009 4:40:49 PM |
Yes they should, because the cost of raising an unwanted child cost the tax payer far more than an abortion. First off, pro choice,secondly this is one of my main points on abortion,either pay for it at the abortion stage when its cheap or pay throughout the child's life,because if the persons cannot afford an abortion she or she and he ,has no money to have the baby,its not like she is going to become more employable if she decides to carry the baby to term and if its unwanted ,it becomes as so many babies and children waiting for adoption,we are paying for those also.
Almost everyone will argue this point here ,fine,its my opinion,In the time frame 12 to 20 months depending on the state,a woman can have an abortion ,I don't consider it a baby.I don't buy the murder issue at all,you have your opinion,fine ! | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 11/20/2009 6:56:17 AM |
Almost everyone will argue this point here ,fine,its my opinion,In the time frame 12 to 20 months depending on the state,a woman can have an abortion ,I don't consider it a baby.I don't buy the murder issue at all,you have your opinion,fine !
Hey Smiley-
I'm pretty sure everyone would consider this murder. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 11/20/2009 7:39:52 AM |
I'm pretty sure everyone would consider this murder. Actually it seems wordwide and the world seems to have our same opinion on abortion,2/3 support it,so what "Everyone "are you talking about.Well since I have not found a poll that was taken on "is abortion murder" then I have to go on the many polls of abortion in general from polled people here and the world,As far as Czech Republic ,Finland ,France ,Germany ,Italy ,sees it 62 % yes they favor the right to abort and 34% say no
Czech Republic ,Finland ,France ,Germany ,Italy ,sees it 62 % yes they favor the right to abort and 34% say no
Abortion Polls
For each of the following sentences, tell me if they are very much, a little, not really or not at all in line with what you think:
"If a woman doesn't want children, she should be able to have an abortion."
Czech Republic Finland France Germany Italy OVERALL
Very much 66 54 55 40 29 40
A little 15 20 23 24 24 22
Total yes 81 74 78 64 53 62
Not really 8 9 8 10 16 11
Not at all 10 13 13 24 25 23
Total no 18 22 21 34 41 34
Don't know 1 4 1 2 6 4
Source: The Brussels Connection
Quinnipiac University Poll
8/10/07
N=1545
In general, do you agree or disagree with the 1973 Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision that established a woman's right to an abortion?
Choice %
Agree 62
Disagree 32
Unsure 6
Quinnipiac University Poll--Agree 62--Disagree 32
ABC News/Washington Post Poll
7/20/07
N=1125
The Supreme Court also recently upheld a federal restriction on the procedure known as partial birth abortion, banning the procedure except when a woman's life is at risk. Do you approve or disapprove of this decision?
Choice %
Approve 55
Disapprove 43
Unsure 2
ABC News/Washington Post Poll-- Approve 55--Disapprove 43
ABC News/Washington Post Poll
7/20/07
N=1125
Do you think abortion should be legal in all cases, legal in most cases, illegal in most cases, or illegal in all cases?
Choice %
Legal in All Cases 23
Legal in Most Cases 34
Illegal in Most Cases 28
Illegal in All Cases 14
Unsure 2
CBS News/New York Times Poll
7/13/07
N=1554
Which of these comes closest to your view? Abortion should be generally available to those who want it. OR, Abortion should be available, but under stricter limits than it is now. OR, Abortion should not be permitted.
Choice %
Generally Available 41
Stricter Limits 34
Not Permitted 22
Unsure 3
Next time maybe you could back up your personal opinion with facts,it sounded real dramatic though,but held no weight ,thats because facts always tell the truth !and opinion,well those are like what your friends in your church have | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 11/20/2009 9:44:45 AM |
I read this morning, that School Children, can, and do leave their schools,..to go get Abortions,..without their Parents knowledge,..or consent.......
Really , where did you read that at?
The do have a thing called a "Search Engine",...learn to use it.
Schools let students seek secret abortions
Parents not notified when 12-year-olds obtain 'confidential' medical procedures
November 18, 2009
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=116315
SACRAMENTO – A 12-year-old girl is prohibited from bringing aspirin to California public schools without a note from her mother or father – but in many California districts she may sign herself out of classes, leave her junior-high campus without parental permission, secretly have an abortion and return to school before the end of the day – and her own family may be none the wiser.
Parents and educators across the state have been in heated debate over school policies allowing children to be excused during class time without parental notification for "confidential medical services" such as abortions, birth control, and drug and mental health services.
Yes,...if California leads the way,..other states will follow.
There's more to read,..I just posted a small clip.
Heres more from google, under the search title,....
Schools let students seek secret abortions
www.ednews.org/.../schools-let-students-seek-secret-abortions.html
www.covenantnews.com/abortion/archives/063381.html
www.aipnews.com/talk/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=10290
www.ifeminists.net/news.php?item.14729.3
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2389846/posts
THE PLAIN TRUTH
God's Hand Behind Today's News
www.plaintruth.com/.../schools-let-12-year-old-students-seek-secret-abortions.html
THE WOODWARD REPORT
http://www.thewoodwardreport.com/#/secret-school-abortions/4537001858
WND reported in 2004 when California Attorney General Bill Lockyer issued an opinion that said schools are required to enact confidentiality policies. But amid a grass-roots campaign organized by a traditional-family lobby group, Lockyer backed off his opinion.
McReynolds said many parents aren't aware of guidelines at their childrens' schools. But he said all parents should ask their own school administrators whether their children may be excused without consent, even families who live outside California.
"It's really important for every parent, whether their kids are in public or private school, to find out what the school policies are," he said. "You never know. See what kind of answers you get."
All these LINKS are bacicaly 100% the same thing,..the same Story, by the same Reporter.......anyone could find out this exact information, if they wanted to look it up.
Its a shame that people want to discredit someones post, without so much as looking it up themselves..... | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 11/20/2009 10:06:09 AM | This is the only reason the State,...should provide Funds for an Abortion,..and seeing as how its already covered, there was no need for me to mention it.
(yet you attck me for not mentioning it)
The "State",..get it,....NOT the Government,..and certainly NOT the President.
The Government funds the State, and the State uses those Funds for what ever their needs may be.
Since 1976, Congress has annually approved the Hyde Amendment, which bars the use of federal Medicaid funds to pay for abortions except in cases of rape, incest or danger to the woman's life. Some states, however, use state funds to pay for procedures in other cases for poor women...
What I refer to, are people who do NOT deserve to have a Federal Funded Health Care Program, give them an Abortion, simply because they cant use common sense and use Protection, and be responsible human beings.
I know that's asking a lot,...huh ???
Yet Obama INSIST that his Health Care Reform Bill,....ALLOW, for Abortion,
in any case.......another waste of the Taxpayers Dollar.
Do you want to have to help pay for someones Abortion, when they decide they should have one,..after their carelessness ????
I doubt it.
I myself,...have always accepted the responsibility for my actions.....my Children has never had need, or want of anything, that I could not provide.
Abortion has NO PLACE in our Health Care Bill,..its NOT right, its NOT Moral,..its MURDER in the eyes of GOD, and in the eyes of any Decent, Moral, Human Being.
No wonder so many people disprove of this Heath Care Plan. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 11/20/2009 10:14:48 AM |
All these LINKS are bacicaly 100% the same thing,..the same Story, by the same Reporter.......anyone could find out this exact information, if they wanted to look it up.
Its a shame that people want to discredit someones post, without so much as looking it up themselves.....
Common courtesy in the forums is for the person posting information as facts to provide a searchable link.
Thanks for doing so in your second post.
Going from what I read, your post is a straw issue. There is no law in the state of California allowing students to dismiss themselves (without parental consent) from school to seek an abortion. That is not a state wide issue, but an initiative being discussed in some districts. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 11/20/2009 10:44:37 AM |
Do you want to have to help pay for someones Abortion, when they decide they should have one,..after their carelessness ????
I doubt it. Absolutely I do ! either pay for it at the abortion stage when its cheap or pay throughout the child's life,because if the persons cannot afford an abortion she or she and he ,has no money to have the baby,its not like she is going to become more employable if she decides to carry the baby to term and if its unwanted ,it becomes as so many babies and children waiting for adoption,we are paying for those also. | |
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