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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/25/2009 12:22:20 PM | No....No...No
I don't want the government in my back pocket anymore. No new taxes!
By the way the money raised on alcohol tax is supposed to be used to subsidize treatment and that is the reason alcohol is taxed. Know anyone that ever received any of that treatment from all those taxes that they raise on alcohol? I didn't think so.
Anytime I hear the word taxes or government I really cringe. What another source of income for them to waste? Haven't we learned our lesson with anything named deregulation, Social Security, Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid...and on and on.
Wasn't it Thomas Jefferson who said the best government is the one that governs the least. I can't for the life of me understand the convoluted thinking of making something legal...but then taxing it. Why?
Two wrongs don't make a right. Alcohol kills, pot apparently does too.
If it can be abused, as alcohol obviously has been shown to do, why should we keep it legal? Yes more tax money for Uncle. I know.
In 1972 there were no DUI laws on the books like there is now. Why? I arbitrarily picked 1972 as that is when all your references seem to be from. Almost 40 years ago.
Since alcohol was legalized, what has happened since then? Anyone want to guess the next time the blood alcohol limit will be lowered say to .o5? So we went from no standard to one now that is pretty darn tough. It will soon hit the stage where you will question yourself if you should use Listerine in the morning or the evening before going out.
I forget who said it and I really don't care. Unless we learn from our mistakes we are doomed to repeat them. I somehow see that same tireless argument being repeated here. It's just being repeated about 50 years later.
I don't see legalizing pot as having much of an impact on drug cartels. They will just change the product in some way shape or form and continue to do what they do. Too much money to be made. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/30/2009 4:47:19 PM |
It's illegal.
So when/if it becomes legal. Then it will be "okay" to smoke it?
And if you smoke it every couple of hours you have a serious problem.
Really? What kind of serious problem? Is it the same one that people who eat every couple of hours have? Or the same problem that people who watch TV every couple of hours have?
Or maybe it isn't a problem at all? Maybe it is just personal preference? | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/30/2009 6:01:55 PM | Well, first of all, I'm pro-legalization. What a person does to their own bodies is their own business unless it directly affects somebody else. I've never tried pot and won't associate with people who do it, but that's my business. If people want to do that and associate with those that do, that's their's.
That being said, I'm personally very against pot. First I'd like to get out of the way that it's illegal in itself. I'm not a fan of breaking the law.
Of course that's not the main reason for me. Perhaps the big reason I don't like people that smoke pot is because I don't like people that smoke period. I find smoking, in itself, absolutely disgusting. The idea of a person "lighting up" and "taking a puff" is just such an incredible turn-off. Basically, I have a strong preference against smoking of any sort. This applies just as readily to people that do it occasionally (which, by definition means on special occasions, so basically once in a blue moon) as it does to people who do it regularly.
Besides that preference, the attitude and methods used by the "4:20 culture" is absolutely vile. They are so obnoxious and "in your face" that while I am pro-legalization, I refuse to be vocal about this view and I have no problem support a platform that is anti-legalization. Members of the "4:20 culture" have become so offensive to me that my pro-legalization stance has shifted for something I would discuss to being merely a preference, if given the choice. I think it's inherently self-defeating in that it scares away people from wanting to support them. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/30/2009 6:25:07 PM | | I'm pro-legalization. It's safer for a person to buy a plant from a company and know how they grow it instead of buying it from a drug-dealer, Hell's Angels, etc. It's not addictive in the way things like Crystal Meth, Heroin, and Morphine are addictive. Plus, we know that prohibition didn't work with alcohol. I wouldn't date someone that used hard drugs, but someone that shared weed with a friend on occasion, like once a month, that's not really a problem. I wouldn't want to date someone who got drunk all the time either. I like alcohol, but I save it for celebrations or vacations, not a daily coping tool. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/30/2009 6:31:11 PM | I am pro legalization but I don't want to date anyone who is addicted to anything,
pot included. Around here, even at the ages of 40 and 50, half the people I meet are addicted to pot and it makes me think they are screw ups who are immature.
I also don't like being around smoke. If people want to do it it's ok but everyone I see who smokes it seems to be addicted to it. And I don't want to be around anyone addicted to any drug. They use the term addicted, not me. It definitely makes me think much less of them. It's similar to how I feel about cigarette smokers.
Any inhaling of smoke makes me want to get away, and makes me question the responsibility of the person doing it. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/30/2009 8:19:35 PM |
I am pro legalization but I don't want to date anyone who is addicted to anything,
pot included. Around here, even at the ages of 40 and 50, half the people I meet are addicted to pot and it makes me think they are screw ups who are immature.
You really need to educate yourself. Pot is NOT addictive. Period. Stop spreading myth and rumor. People who repeat myth and rumor without finding out for themselves are mentally immature. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/30/2009 8:34:07 PM | | It IS addictive as a crutch. saying it isn't is pure ignorance and denial. I've seen lots of people who do it constantly to the point where they won't do anything else. I've seen couples break up because the only thing the guy ever wanted to do was sit on the couch and smoke up. When your life and the people in it get emotionally hurt and neglected, you're addicted. it doesn't matter if it's crack, booze or pot, the basic outcome is the same for people that need it all the time. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/30/2009 9:05:14 PM |
As I mentioned in an earlier post, serious pot smokers can't tolerate anybody or anything that disagrees with their pot usage. They will sift through hundreds of websites to find ONE article that supports them, and that one article is "fact" while all those against it are just "propoganda." Your buddy there proves my point.
Are you implying that I only supplied one source?
That is a lie sir.
At least the pro-pots don't have to resort to lying to get their point across. All we have to do is post proof!
EDIT (To Add:)
It IS addictive as a crutch...
How about some proof for this claim? Do you even have any?
What did I say earlier about pro-pots not lying... | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/30/2009 9:19:34 PM | I'm 42 years old and have smoked pot since I was 16. I've pretty much smoked it since then, expect on 2 occassions. The first was when I was in the Army, the second was when I was with St.John Ambulance. Here's the sum of my experiences....
1. I found it works better than enzite and puts Smilin Bob to shame.
2. I'm not stupid, I've beaten University Majors in History with debating, some of these people spend 5 years majoring in history.
3. I've never done meth, acid, crack,E, or any other drug, so it doesn't lead to harder drug use.
4. I've never been violent when smoking it.
5. I have never used pot fot medicinal purposes !
6. I have 2 friends that are cops who know I smoke pot.
7. Smoking pot doesn't lower your morals, or ethics.
K.
Thanks for coming out ! | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/30/2009 9:22:59 PM | Wow! 11 pages of this! C'mon guys, smoke a joint! relax!
Truth is, pot CAN be used as a crutch, as can TV, food, sex,Tylenol PM, etc. Exhaustive research can lead to confusion, if you don't consider & research the source. " Serious" pot smokers? They exist?! Really? Give me a break! We all have serious opinions about many things, but I would venture a guess (I'm too tired to research it) that far more people are harmed by alcohol than pot. The fact that's it is illegal is enough of an argument for many, and I (as a toker) say to each their own, not "I won't tolerate your disagreement". What I can't tolerate is ignorance or labeling someone by one, and only one, choice that they make.
Those posting on forums related to child abuse aren't as vehement, for God's sake! Can't we just say that it's a personal preference and agree to disagree? 
PS. To devils fan, as to the exanples you cite: It is well known that the woman in NY was also under the influence of alcohol,. so why blame it solely on the pot? As for at least one of your other sources, referring to the time span between smoking & the accident:"
" there's no credible way of determining that." Yet, this ofense could potentially land him in prison for 20 years! Do you really think that makes sense?!?!
To continue"
"Watkins also defended Jessica Williams, who in a March 2000 crash struck and killed six teenagers collecting trash in the median of Interstate 15. Watkins said both Lattin ad Williams had similar amounts of marijuana in their systems during their accidents.
A jury determined that Williams was not impaired at the time of her crash"
The above could just as easily be used for arguments on the other side of the issue, that's all I'm saying. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/30/2009 9:30:20 PM |
serious pot smokers can't tolerate anybody or anything that disagrees with their pot usage
True, it's a rare habitual pot-smoker who hasn't rationalized and denied till he or she is blue in the face; I noticed that when I was a chronic user myself. Not being a fan of denial got myself, I'd bring up the obvious, not so obvious and possible side effects, only to be met with a chorus of "that's not true, it's propaganda, there's no proof, I've been smoking it for years and look, not a thing wrong with me!" Etc. If pot didn't do anything, why would people smoke it for it's effects? The first few times this happened, I was surprised; after a while, I realized that these people weren't interested in anything resembling reality, they just wanted to be stoned.
It IS addictive as a crutch...
Not as addictive as alcohol can be, more addictive than coffee would be my guess. Took me about three years to actually quit, once I started thinking it'd be a good idea. Part of that was being around a pot-smoker, though, so habit/familiarity was probably more of a factor, although I did have periodic urges to get smoke up for quite a while after. But compared to almost anything else, quitting pot is a breeze for most people. There are a few who have a lot of difficulty, though.
For those who might be interested, here are the reasons I quit:
1. Increasing inability to speak well, particularly embarrasing at work. More and more I noticed I'd stumble over words, and stutter while speaking, whereas I'd never had that problem before. I was in my late 20s at this point.
2. Inability/disinterest in doing things, while stoned. Pretty standard, really, among pot-smokers I've known.
3. After about 10 years, I started suffereing severe anxiety and panic attacks while stoned, not every time, but eventually about 50% of the time.
4. Feeling itchy on a spot inside my head, no way to scratch that and bloody uncomfortable!
One can say "it wasn't the pot" - which pot smokers have said to me, but when I quit smoking I stopped experiencing most of those things immediately; the speaking thing improved more gradually. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/30/2009 11:32:39 PM | | I find nothing wrong with it at all. If they have to get stoned to hang out with you then your not doing a very good job to entertain them. If someone really wanted to be with you and spend time with you they should set aside all habits If thats the way you feel about it. personally I think if I was meeting someone for the first time it would help you relax mroe than anything. Don't criticize what you know nothing about | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/30/2009 11:41:10 PM | [If someone really wanted to be with you and spend time with you they should set aside all habits ]
Forgive my bluntness, but I suspect your age is showing! Truth is, you should not change who you are to please anyone! Off topic, but you grow to feel that way. If you have a "sickness", whether it be drugs, alcohol, whatever, feeling as you describe won't do any good anyway. Tolerance comes with experience. Knowing yourself leads to realizing what shortcomings you can deal with, and which ones you won't. There is nothing wrong with that.
If you don't want to date a smoker, don't. If you smoke & enjoy it, only date those who can live with it. To each their own; it really is that simple. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/30/2009 11:43:07 PM | | right on? our country was founded by pot smokers. The first settlers were avid pot smokers. The men that wrote the constitution smoked. They used it for many other things also. clothing rope butter. as a matter of fact back in the day if you were wearing hemp clothing you were rich. I believe the things that were put here on this earth was put here for our use and to make something illegal that grows naturally out of the ground just like any other plant is an outrage. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/30/2009 11:52:50 PM | Honestly...I have nothing against smoking weed but one issue. It's illegal. Barring that, hell I don't care what people do in the privacy of their own home as long as it isn't hurting anyone.
People will bring up stat after stat of how a doped up driver caused an accident where it resulted in the death/s of others. Obviously that goes against what I just said. But ya know what...Alcohol kills way more people every year.
So in my opinion, if alcohol is legal, weed should be too.
And Im not sure who said 'if you smoke it every couple of hours then you have a problem" Really, so what about those that drink beers after they get off work to relax?
I don't see the difference between alcohol or weed. Never have and I personally believe we should legalize it.
I know our legislator has been considering making poss of marij 0-2 oz a ticketable offense instead of a jailable one. I so wish they would. It would help over crowding in our jails but more importantly...why ruin some kid's/adult's life over such as minor problem?
It's illegal for a minor to drink so what to do we...we write him a citation...MIP. Same thing should be done for weed.
And I don't understand why people get all up in arms over it either. I have yet to hear a decent arguement against it other than it's illegal. Which is a good reason to not smoke it in my opinion. But that's just me. I don't like jail. :) However, I also have yet to hear a good arguement for why it's STILL illegal.
But then again, I'm so fed up with the War on Drugs because it doesn't seem to be producing any significant results other than building more jails/prisons. Obviously what we're doing isn't working.
And I've been a cop for about 8 yrs now and dealing with the pot issue has only reinforced my beliefs about legalization. Putting someone in jail for pot is only going to make them smarter about hiding it. You get a great education in jail.
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 10/1/2009 12:00:14 AM | | my age is showing? I don't care who you or what you are if you want something bad enough but you have to put something down to get it first you will. Its all about will power. If you wanna be with that person bad enough you will stop smoking for that person. call it what you want to call it but thats jsut life. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 10/1/2009 12:02:19 AM | I don't care if it hurts people or not - I just find it trashy.
I think that perhaps things would be different if weed were legal these days...
But it's not.
I find the marijuana culture to be one that I just don't click with. As I said, if it were legal, this would probably not be the case.
As soon as a girl tells me that she does drugs of any kind, she's gone. Period.
::shrug::
I don't care if others do it. A lot of my friends have done it, and still continue to partake to this day. That doesn't mean I want my significant other to be involved in that lifestyle, though.
Just my .08 | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 10/1/2009 12:13:09 AM | I do have a strong opinion about pot smoking. From my own experience I prefer not to do it habitually any more. But also from my own experience I know there's absolutely no point in telling someone who does smoke it habitually that they shouldn't do it. I was firmly under the belief that I was enlightened, more spiritual, better person for doing it every day and no-one could tell me any different. I did it like that for maybe 15 years, it's not until you come out of it that you see how much you didn't get done, and the veil can takes months (maybe years) to lift from any habitual use of mind altering drugs.Would I change my exeperience ? no. I do have a different outlook because of it that I appreciate.
If I smoke it now, and I'm not adverse socially, and very infrequently, then I'm acutely aware of a kind of "hangover" in the morning, really hard to get going. It does "annoy" me when I see poeple not fulfilling thier potential because of it, and it is limiting in a lot of aspects including emtotionally and practically but there is absolutely no point in making it my business to tell them this - I'd just give myself one f*ck of a headache ! I think what annoys me more though is people that haven't done it preaching around the place. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 10/1/2009 6:26:41 AM | | Spag: Um, I don't need "scientific proof" to know that pot can be psychologically addictive. I've seen it with my own eyes. I guess you were too busy patting yourself on the back about all you childish quips to read my entire post. No surprise you just pick and choose the pieces of posts to support your agenda and create more childish quips. Judging by you, pot obviously makes you thick headed and unable to see anyone's opinion but your own that's for sure. I'm not sure why you keep calling people "anti pot" for having a different viewpoint. I guess it's not enough to understand the pro pot viewpoint and agree it should be legalized. I'm still "evil" and a "nazi" because I don't smoke. Riiiggghht. No pro pot propaganda there. With your complete arrog*nce and unwillingness to understand anyone else's viewpoints you do nothing but hurt your cause. People as closed minded as you are and as arrogant as you are don't even deserve to be on this planet as far as I'm concerned. You serious have a HUGE chip on your shoulder. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 10/1/2009 6:50:04 AM | As someone who smoked a LOT of pot between the ages of 15-18 I can't argue the fact that cannabis IS psychologically addictive, when my supply ran dry it was horrible, life seemed boring in a way, I was always content in my stoned haze and would walk down the street in my own little bubble cut off from the world and people around me, and thats the way I liked it =/
I'm not knocking the medicinal herb, I blame myself completely, smoking pot in moderation is never a bad thing and smoking it for medicinal purposes is completely fine, but I abused it and it became a part of my day to day life, there is absolutely nothing negative about smoking it in moderation, given the choice I would much rather go out of a weekend and get off my face on cannabis than use alcohol, but because its illegal I'm stuck poisoning myself with the much much much more dangerous DRUG which is alcohol, and it PISSES me off that some hypocritical pieces of shit looked down on me and labeled me a "druggy" for smoking pot when they themselves drink alcohol and smoke nicotine, GTFO, just because the government labels it as legal this seems to negate the fact that those 2 drugs are the biggest ****ing killers on this planet. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 10/1/2009 7:09:15 AM | Why can't I edit my posts here? :(
Just wanted to add, 90% of people on this website should have the "Do you do drugs" option marked as yes, if you don't drink or smoke nicotine then congratulations you can be one of the select few to mark it as a no.
They should really re think that and change it to "Do you do ILLEGAL drugs" don't make 90% of the people who use this site lie...I marked it as a no also does that make me a hypocrite? fact is if I mark it as a yes and be honest I'm never gonna get mailed because any female who sees that is automatically gonna think I'm on some sort of illegal drug, guess what people? I do use drugs, the 2 worst ones on this earth (nicotine and alcohol for the people who completely missed the point of this post) ^_~ | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 10/1/2009 1:30:15 PM | Spag: Um, I don't need "scientific proof" to know that pot can be psychologically addictive.
Yeah, and they didn't need scientific proof to know the world was flat. Is food psychologically addictive?
I've seen it with my own eyes.
I trust a doctors eyes way more, I am sorry.
I am making childish quips?
I guess you were too busy patting yourself on the back about all you childish quips to read my entire post.
No surprise you just pick and choose the pieces of posts to support your agenda and create more childish quips.
Judging by you, pot obviously makes you thick headed...
With your complete arrog*nce...
don't even deserve to be on this planet as far as I'm concerned.
(All said in YOUR last post.)
I guess you are right, those are more insults than quips.
Why do you have a hard time debating? Why do you choose to use ad-hominem attacks towards me? I call them "anti-pots" so there is a difference between them and the "pro-pots" (You are applying the negative aspect to anti, not I.)
Anyway, like I have been saying since I came into this thread. It is all about personal preference, the 'false facts' and the 'real facts' make little difference. (Unless you subscribe to either side, of course.)
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 10/1/2009 1:35:25 PM | my only issue with it is that it is illegal...if i cant go to the store and get it...taxes and all...im not gonna do it...
but since it would be terribly hard to tax considering the wide geographical range that it comes from...i dont think i will find it in store anytime soon so im not gonna partake in it anytime soon and i would prefer to not be with someone who does
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