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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why? Posted: 10/1/2009 8:15:16 PM |
what were your experiences that lead to your views?
Finding roommates that advertised as non smokers, but didn't include pot until after the lease is signed. Lived above a state trooper, so windows were always closed, my clothes always smelled like pot. The apartment always smelled like pot. I always smelled like pot. Constantly worried "the man" downstairs would arrest me as an accessory or something.
Friends that smoked pot and thought it was a great idea not to bathe...ever, because they read that dirt clogged pores would keep the chemicals in and lead to a bigger high.
Too many "oh dude, I forgot to pick you up, forgot it was rent day, forgot to give you the message about cancer from your doctor, I'll catch you next week."
Too many "Oh dude, I ate your food for the week that you can't afford more of. I'll buy you a pizza tomorrow man..."
Too many public service announcements that annoy the hell out of me.
Too much shoving it in my face and judging that there is something wrong with me because I really don't have the desire to participate.
just want to bring this one up again.
I once had a roommate who wore used a lot of salt . Used it every god damn day. Always ate my damn food with it and put it on EVERYTHING. He kept tryin to get me to put salt on my food.... Just annoying. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why? Posted: 10/2/2009 6:15:44 AM | Spaghett Your references are wrong with regard to the strength of pot. Unless of course you don't believe the Netherlands Scientists too.
Myth: Marijuana Is More Potent Today Than In The Past. Adults who used marijuana in the 1960s and 1970s fail to realize that when today's youth use marijuana they are using a much more dangerous drug.
Fact: When today's youth use marijuana, they are using the same drug used by youth in the 1960s and 1970s. A small number of low-THC samples seized by the Drug Enforcement Administration are used to calculate a dramatic increase in potency. However, these samples were not representative of the marijuana generally available to users during this era. Potency data from the early 1980s to the present are more reliable, and they show no increase in the average THC content of marijuana. Even if marijuana potency were to increase, it would not necessarily make the drug more dangerous. Marijuana that varies quite substantially in potency produces similar psychoactive effects.
King LA, Carpentier C, Griffiths P. “Cannabis potency in Europe.” Addiction. 2005 Jul; 100(7):884-6
Henneberger, Melinda. "Pot Surges Back, But It’s, Like, a Whole New World." New York Times 6 February 1994: E18.
Brown, Lee. “Interview with Lee Brown,” Dallas Morning News 21 May 1995.
Drug Enforcement Administration. U.S. Drug Threat Assessment, 1993. Washington, DC: U.S. Department of Justice, 1993.
Kleiman, Mark A.R. Marijuana: Costs of Abuse, Costs of Control. Westport: Greenwood Press, 1989. 29.
Bennett, William. Director of National Drug Control Policy, remarks at Conference of Mayors. 23 April 1990.
Now from a 2005 non US study. Cannabis from outside the Netherlands, mainly grown outdoors, contains on average 5.5% THC.3 However, concerns regarding THC content in cannabis have been renewed because of recent developments in indoor hydroponic cultivation techniques.1 These efforts have enhanced the THC content in Dutch cannabis, so-called ‘netherweed’. Systematic measurements of THC in netherweed obtained from coffeeshops in the Netherlands (data Trimbos Institute) have revealed that the mean concentrations of THC have steadily increased frocirca 8.6% in December 1999-January 2000 to 17.7% in December 2004-January 2005.
So if they can hydroponically grow it in the Netherlands we certainly can also do the same here in the USA, and we have seen drug growing operations here which were hydroponic in nature. All one had to do is watch COPS on just about any given night and it will show you that. http://www.rivm.nl/bibliotheek/rapporten/267002002.pdf
Oh and I found this link really amusing considering the "Pro Pot" agenda as decreed by the all knowing. I might add it is less then three weeks old. So much for the we don't bother anyone...yada...yada...yada.
"However, Dutch border towns have been wrestling with the problem of how to deal with the stream of Belgian, German and French tourists who cross the border to buy the drug. The tourists annoy local residents and attract illegal street dealers." http://www.nrc.nl/international/article2354008.ece/Tourists_no_longer_welcome_in_cannabis-selling_coffee_shops
http://www.nrc.nl/international/article2361761.ece/Dutch_message_to_drug_tourists_cest_fini.
Finally based on the picture in one of the articles and the rate of 6 euros per gram and the maximum amount you can buy is 5 grams would you spend about $73 dollars for less then two oz's? Seems kind of high if you ask me. Oh I also saw the hydro grown stuff was a .25 of a euro higher. Anyone want to guess why?
Have a good day. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why? Posted: 10/2/2009 7:51:24 AM | I didn't read all the posts here...and I don't smoke pot. But I don't smoke cigarettes either and hardly drink. I think pot should be legal and taxed like alcohol and ciggs...and the money put to good use. If it's legal and taxed...you'll get rid of the violence associated with it... at least in my opinion. I live in sort of a liberal state, and we recently voted to decriminalize small amounts of pot. Haven't seen anything about how that's working though. I don't have a problem with people smoking pot, my only problem is that it is illegal...and for the most part I try to avoid trouble when I can help it. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why? Posted: 10/2/2009 12:01:46 PM |
Unless of course you don't believe the Netherlands Scientists too. Not at all! I am glad someone posted this finally!
Cannabis from outside the Netherlands, mainly grown outdoors, contains on average 5.5% THC.3 Now I never said that pot grown profssionally is not stronger. I said/implied "dirt" (or outdoord) weed is no stronger than it was. Also, if they had grown the weed the same back in the day it would have been the same strength.
We learned how to increase production of other plants as well, vegegables, flowers, grass (the regular kind.) Needless to say, the "more potent" stuff is/was around in the past. It was just A LOT harder to grow it personally. With the arrival of technologies, it has moved into the homes.
Just remember, weed was the same strength. People were not growing it "right". (Can't have trial and error, without the trial (and error))
Oh and I found this link really amusing considering the "Pro Pot" agenda as decreed by the all knowing. I might add it is less then three weeks old. So much for the we don't bother I am far from 'all knowing', and here I thought you wanted to debate and not insult...
And, "we" don't bother. YOU bothered. Do not give the others credit for your work!
Dutch border towns have been wrestling with the problem of how to deal with the stream of Belgian, German and French tourists who cross the border to buy the drug. That's easy, legalize it! Then those folks would buy it in their respective countries!
Finally based on the picture in one of the articles and the rate of 6 euros per gram and the maximum amount you can buy is 5 grams would you spend about $73 dollars for less then two oz's? I do not know European pricing, nor do I wish to talk about the pricing of illegal substances. (How much are 2 ounces of gold worth? Is it more or less than 73 bucks? Sounds like too much money for gold, to me. (opinions are fun!)) | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why? Posted: 10/8/2009 2:40:26 PM |
Luckily, China will soon call in all the debt the US owes and will bankrupt the country. Good luck with that. You sound exactly like rush when he said "If Obama tries to institute socialism , I hope he fails, Then of course, Josef Goebbels and DER SPIEGLE , got a hold of it and proclaimed " RUSH HOPES OBAMA FAILS !! UUmmm , Errr , .............. What conservatives ? The libs have the senate , congress , and the white house.
The fact that Nancy pelosi and Barney frank seriously have millions of followers is VERY frightening to many of us (And i don't much care what other "socialists" think)
Not one republican voted for the 3 trillion you're referring to...... (it's YOUR debt) | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why? Posted: 10/8/2009 3:00:40 PM | The conservatives are a shell of their former selves as is easily seen by their desperation tactics. The fact that serious politicians with educations are actually using words like Socialism, Communism and death panel to describe a system that works in MANY parts of the world, including mine. That debt btw was mostly accumulated under a republican president who invaded a sovereign nation for nothing more than oil and strategic placement in the middle east. Republicans also voted for all those communist style welfare bailouts for the auto industry, the banks...but try to imagine a country where everybody has access to healthcare and suddenly you're bringing guns to town hall meetings and shouting over the speaker???
Come on...the extreme right in the US is as bad or worse as the taliban for their tactics and motivation. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why? Posted: 10/8/2009 3:48:01 PM | The conservatives are a shell of their former selves I agree , like i said , What conservatives ?
That debt btw was mostly accumulated under a republican president who invaded a sovereign nation for nothing more than oil and strategic placement in the middle east. We do not live in a monarchy, The democrats held the majority of both the house and senate, and they voted affirmatively, including many other country's (And please don't try that worn out : But, the most stupid republican ever , Fooled the whole world !, even if it were true, it dosen't bold well for the IQ of those he did fool) 1. when Hillary Clinton became secretary of state, Mr, blow .... eerrr , Mr clinton had to report 500 million he recieved from the saudi's. 2. Mr gore's Family fortune is from Occidental oil, yep , OIL !! That debt btw was mostly accumulated under a republican president who invaded a sovereign nation for nothing more than oil and strategic placement in the middle east. When mr. bush left office, the budget was 500 billion. It is now at 3 trillion Real simple fact: if america wanted nothing but oil, we would never have left Kuwait. Come on...the extreme right in the US is as bad or worse as the taliban for their tactics and motivation. Thats what you tired old hippies said about vietnam (Also started by a democrat, i might add) The hate america crowd, well son take a number! cause theres people like me willing to protact her ! | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why? Posted: 10/8/2009 7:27:23 PM | | Check your history most of the signers of the Constitution not only grew it, mainly for rope and sails for ships; what do you think was in those pipes? Moderation in all things. Cannabis has many good attributes, but anything can be abused. Moderation in all things. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why? Posted: 10/8/2009 9:22:29 PM | Okay. First, if legality is your biggest issue then everyone is a hypocrite. Who hasn't ran a red light? Stop sign? Who has never done anything illegal? Unless you have never, ever committed any kind of crime (misdemeanors included, as possession is usually a misdemeanor), then that is a sorry excuse to be against marijuana. Now, some facts for everyone. Hemp (Marijuana for the un-educated) is one of the most diverse plants we have. One acre of hemp can produce as much paper as four acres of trees. Not only is hemp paper just as strong, but Hemp can also be produced to full maturity in one growing season, as where trees take years to grow and therefore are less renewable than marijuana. Hemp can also be used to make ropes just as strong as any nylon, and completely bio-degradeable. Can also be used to make clothes that, while not as soft, can be more durable than cotton. Everyone knows about the medicinal uses of marijuana, as it is used with cancer patients and eating-disorders. Now, as far as the financial aspects, marijuana could solve many of the problems we face today. De-criminalizing would do many things.
1. The revenue made from the taxation of "pot" for recreational use would add billions to our budget, as seen in Sacramento, CA, where millions in revenue has been made in that city alone. 2. The average prisoner in the United States costs taxpayers on average $50-$100 a day, per person, barring there are no special medications, hospital visits, etc. Let's say on average there are 1 million people in the US in jail for marijuana related offenses, with a cost of $75 a day. That's 75 million a day to house these people. True, it may be a high estimate, but even at 1/4 these numbers in one year time you can see the cost. This would also free up much needed space, so the real criminals ( i.e. killers, rapists, pedophiles) are not let back into the street due to over-population. And the time it would free up in courts. (Don't you hate waiting forever for a speeding ticket?) 3. By using the products that can be produced by hemp, we can create factories for the production, in turn causing jobs for American people who at this point are in desperate need for some kind of change. With the added jobs, money and resources would be more available for the general public, hence creating more revenue for other businesses, because when people get money they spend money. Also, the exporting of these goods to foreign countries would also produce more revenue, even if just from the taxes alone.
Now, to dispel some myths:
Marijuana is not a gateway drug. The only reason it could even be called that is because you generally have to go through the same channels to get marijuana as you would any other drug. And if you are a weak enough or curious person who wants harder drugs, then yes, your neighborhood drug-dealer can be that gateway. But no amount of pot I've ever done has made me say, "Man, I could sure use some coke."
Marijuana is not psychologically addicting. Most people who are "addicted" to pot also have many more addictions, such as cigarettes, biting their nails, etc. They are usually very dependent people who use marijuana as a crutch. Unfortunately, marijuana gets the bad rep.
Marijuana is not a killer. You have greater chances of being bitten by a shark, getting hit by lightning, and many more weird phenomena than you do of dying from pot. There is no pot poisoning, but I promise there's alcohol poisoning. Thousands of innocent people are killed every year from drunk drivers (my own mother included), not high drivers.
Now do your research. Marijuana was criminalized for two main reasons. One, the timber industry was one of our main industries in the early part of the 20th century. The use of hemp for paper products would've ruined the industry, and with the timber magnates being some of the wealthiest people in the country, they bought the legality of marijuana. (Don't say money doesn't influence our country) Two, we were in the middle of a depression starting in the late 20's and early 30's. Prohibition was in effect, barring all alcohol. Once realized, alcohol was made legal again for the soul purpose of taxation. And we rebounded out of a depression. Amazing, huh?
Lastly, I trust pot way more than even prescription drugs. Watch your average prescription commercial. Is it just me but do all the side-effects seem to be death or something way worse than what you're taking it for? Hell, I'd rather be depressed than half the side effects they give you. So, I guess if you trust Pfizer or any other drug company more than God, be my guest. In the meantime, until you've researched it don't put it down. There are many resources to look up the info on. Matter of fact, one of the best studies was done in the 1930's and was conducted by Mayor LaGuardia of New York (yes, who the airport is named after) and they concluded that marijuana had no harmful side effects. And many studies since have shown the same thing. So really, what's the worst they do? Give you cancer like cigarettes? At least I won't be nauseaus from the chemo. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why? Posted: 10/8/2009 11:42:18 PM |
The conservatives are a shell of their former selves as is easily seen by their desperation tactics. The fact that serious politicians with educations are actually using words like Socialism, Communism and death panel to describe a system that works in MANY parts of the world, including mine. That debt btw was mostly accumulated under a republican president who invaded a sovereign nation for nothing more than oil and strategic placement in the middle east. Republicans also voted for all those communist style welfare bailouts for the auto industry, the banks...but try to imagine a country where everybody has access to healthcare and suddenly you're bringing guns to town hall meetings and shouting over the speaker???
We're viewed as the anti-christ in some circles. Watching people like Michell Bachman (sic,....very sic) I really have to shake my head and wonder about the people who accept her drivel. In any event, on the other end of the sanity scale, California has three bills pending to legalize pot. Due to the fact that the greedy stupid morons running this state have left it in financial chaos, one of them just might pass. It's a lifeboat being tossed to a drowning crew. Then the showdown at the OK Corral begins between us and the feds. That'll be interesting. As if Obama didn't have enough to think about. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why? Posted: 10/9/2009 12:18:02 AM | Smoking stinks Smoking pot stinks If a person smokes pot at my age , (which is what I prefer to date )I think you are an idiot. (don't ever contact me). Putting poison into your lungs, whatever you call it.(pot?) stinks. Let's put the police out of business, Quit smoking pot! | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why? Posted: 10/9/2009 1:42:37 AM | | I don't care, but with my job, I'd get fried if around it. I pack heat all the time and a joint with weapon equals felony. I'm not getting slammed over some chick wanting a buzz. no thanks. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why? Posted: 10/9/2009 3:05:19 AM | A Rant
No a Panacea, A aboslutly as far from a schedule I drug as cotton candy is to Coke.
Because you would be in the company of Louis Armstrong, the Beatles, Bob Denver, Bill Clinton, George Bush (okay, never mind him), famous scientist Carl Sagan, Michael Bloomberg, Lewis Caroll, George Washington Carver, Salvador Dali, Al Gore, Steve Jobs, John Kennedy, John Wayne, and George Washington and many other folks who could be consider the core of philosophical western thought in the early American up to present have imbibed. I personally have been involved with it at one time or another.
Take this to the bank people, Mankind has been altering their conscious sensory input since time began. Do you seriously thing a few hung out to dry cells will dim this quest genetics control. In regards to being a drug that leads to others, talk to your friends and family. Tell them "no dad I don't do coke or K" just an occasional toke now and and again. And ****, I'm still holding a 3.8 GPA just fine.
Marijuana is less addictive than caffeine. There is no physical addiction but a slight mental addiction can develop.
Marijuana can prevent migraines.
Sex gets a whole lot better
Daily marijuana use doesn’t damage your brain, but it can put a halt to anything that resembles work.
Nobody has ever died from smoking pot.
Marijuana users report less depression
Marijuana is less addictive than caffeine. There is no physical addiction but a slight mental addiction can develop. And a rad case of the munchies!
Despite what the wholly propaganda ridden media refers to as that gateway drug thatleads to ultimate self destruction. And ****in' A they are right about that in maybe 1.5% of the population. A typical prozac user is 17 times more likely to have permanent brain dysfunction than that of a typical daily dose of Chronic. Our legal drugs are killing thousands a year and they don’t even get a reach around! (High).
With that said I smoke maybe once a month to various reasons. First and foremost it keeps me in touch with myself. Some may not need this intrusion. I find it comforting and welcome it with open arms.
Chris Peace out  | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why? Posted: 10/9/2009 3:24:49 AM | I beg to differ and site the all out MDMA advertising war of the 90's. All the index cards showing holes in your brain compared to that of non E users. The one dose to Parkinson's scare. This "government data" was supposed to be accurate and run by real scientists with a modicum of research practices. Direct observers if you will. We now know the whole research project was a sham as were it's outrageous claims.
How can the public continue to believe our government as it's doing dance tryouts for Reefer Madness II. If you need something evil to attack, alcohol and cigarettes would have beem wonderful candidates if their social acceptance had been written in stone many years ago.
Be careful what you read, the truth is a hard pill to swallow when that truth contradicts years of wasted efforts and a generation of truly misinformed youth.
Cheers Chris :) | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why? Posted: 10/9/2009 10:14:08 AM | | It should be legal. My issue with it is that because it's illegal, people are afraid to speak up about it, so that the laws change. Pot is okay once in a while, but it drives me crazy when someone acts like they have to smoke it everyday. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why? Posted: 10/9/2009 12:18:20 PM | So its kind of like cheese burgers then right?
If I have one on a friday night its ok, but if I have one 4 times a day I'm a glutenous slob right?
right on I guess. I always thought it was the consumers choice personally. But everyone is welcome to their own opinions. Only few are welcome to embrace correction or defeat. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why? Posted: 10/9/2009 1:08:05 PM | I smoke pot. That's why I totally against legalize cannabis.
Now I spend about $50 a month on pot. While an average smoker needs $200 a month to sustain the habit.
I'm sure when the government get its hand in the pot business. I need $500 to sustain my current consumption.
So I have to join the nay camp and shouted aloud "pot is evil." "ban pot forever." "no good people would ever legalize pot." | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why? Posted: 10/9/2009 1:17:10 PM |
I'm sure when the government get its hand in the pot business. When ? ... WHEN? Who do you think is managing Medicinal Marijuana ? Who issues the licence to distribute Medicinal Marijuana ? Who voted to allow those agencies to distribute those licences ? | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why? Posted: 10/9/2009 11:45:19 PM | To each his/her own. I like it for occasional recreation. Fun Fun Fun But, if someone is smoking it all the time, how can I know who they really are? I was seeing someone I really liked, he was fun, etc. we had our issues, but the deal breaker in the end was the constant high he was on. Who was he really? What was behind the fog? I just couldn't tell ya. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why? Posted: 10/21/2009 1:42:19 PM | Alrighty. Obama comes through. No more federal busts for medical marijuana users. Excellent.
The Justice Department this week announced that it will no longer seek to prosecute people using, prescribing, or distributing pot for medical purposes, as long as they're in compliance with local law. However, regulations in some medical marijuana states remain murky.
The whole article is here:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/10/21/medical.marijuana.policy/index.html | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why? Posted: 10/21/2009 2:45:33 PM | well at least he got SOMETHING done!
on another note...I was watching Jon Stewart recently and he did a bit about how a Al Frankin's first bill amendmant was to close a loop hole that denied employees to sue a government contractor...in this case the woman was gang raped by private soldier types...which is what prompted Frankin. Not one...not ONE republican voted for the amendmant. Voting against closing the gang rape no sue loophole...can we say politics??? | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why? Posted: 10/21/2009 3:32:06 PM | seriously though...how can the G.O.P. look at themselves in the mirror...it's time the U.S. instituted more parties for people to vote for.
Yay for the whole new medicinal pot decision though...watching the dea bust in with a swat team to recover less than a pound of weed is just frightening... | |
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