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 swtcarolinej

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Posted: 9/11/2009 7:23:38 PM
well I dont like the smell and dont care to partake myself ,but my guy does do it ,has for many years ,he doesnt get "Stoned" and he has alot of medical issues and his dr does know about his use, soo I guess I will be happier when it is legalized for my sake and it wont be so expensive...!!!!Ive had to really rethink this subject like do u you want to disregard a decent caring man for his habit?????ummmmm I guess I tolerate it but the smell does really get to me he smokes far far away when he does do it..just my humble opinion...
 QTpye16

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Posted: 9/12/2009 6:35:59 AM
damassteel,

It stinks and simply don't want anyone around me who feels they need to escape from reality by smoking it. Don't like the blood shot eyes nor the way one acts. And it's no worse than being addicted to any other drug...because it's just the same, for person who wants to escape reality or run away from their problems. I love the company of people who can have an intelligent conversation without being high/stoned.
 nurse1275

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Posted: 9/12/2009 7:11:04 AM
I myself don't have an issue with it as much as other drugs. If people would realize pot isn't addictive. But alcohol, cigarettes and caffine are the top three addictive things we put in our body. You've never heard of someone having marijuana withdrawls. (maybe the munchies) LOL
 Annie I Oakley

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Posted: 9/12/2009 7:33:59 AM
As far as I am concerned pot is no better or worse then alcohol. It should be legalized. If my body is truly my body then why is it my governments business what I do with it?
 .Marc

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Posted: 9/12/2009 7:45:25 AM
^ What about psychological addiction?
I find it hard to believe that even the "non-potheads" who've smoked twice a week don't "want a joint" if they haven't had one for a while. (Though you could also argue that about say... brownies. So it's a bit hard to work out where to cut off.)

On the whole it's mostly a legal/workplace ethics thing. It's against the law where I am. Period. Also, how can I tell the teenagers I work with not to break the law if I'm a party to it? This may seem like a flimsy argument to some of you, but I've had one or two kids tell me that if they didn't graduate they might drop out and become drug dealers.

At the end of the day, the law is the law. I can't tell children to be honest citizens if I'm breaking it. (Some people DO... and I call those people hypocrites.)

"Doubts raced through my mind as I considered the feasibility of enforcing a law which the majority of honest citizens didn't seem to want."
Eliot Ness on prohibition.

And from that lovely movie that they did with Sean Connery
Scoop: Word is they're going to repeal Prohibition. What'll you do then?
Ness: I think I'll have a drink.

I tell the children, when we read Civil Disobedience by Henry David Thoreau, that they have two options when they are dealing with a law that they don't think is a just one. They can either contact their representative... or they can choose to willingly break the law.

"If the injustice has a spring, or a pulley, or a rope, or a crank, exclusively for itself, then perhaps you may consider whether the remedy will not be worse than the evil; but if it is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law. Let your life be a counter friction to stop the machine. What I have to do is to see, at any rate, that I do not lend myself to the wrong which I condemn."

But, as I tell them, you have to pick and choose your battles. Ultimately, when you break the law, it should be over something you're willing to go to jail for. You should be prepared to "let your life be a counter friction." Often the kids will bring up weed when asked for unjust laws. My question to them then is, "are you willing to throw your life away over some weed?"

I would like to remind those of you that are snickering right now over the very idea of "throwing your life away" over "a little pot" is ridiculous that you can lose (or be denied) in most cases both state and federal college scholarships in the event of being found guilty of drugs charges. Also, according to Section 5301 of the Anti-Drug Abuse Act, you can lose student loans.

Now, will most people reach that level of charge? No. But it's certainly something to consider.
 dave91741

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Posted: 9/12/2009 7:49:44 AM

As far as I am concerned pot is no better or worse then alcohol. It should be legalized. If my body is truly my body then why is it my governments business what I do with it?


Great post and may I add I have never seen a stoned person beat his wife .
You do not really own your body as it is aginst the law for you to sell your organs .
You can sell your hair ... LOL
I don't do any alcohol are pot but lots of friends do . That's ok with me . Also I never quit anything out of virtue
 .Marc

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Posted: 9/12/2009 8:05:56 AM
The problem with the "it's my body" bit is that it's also a strong argument for the legalization of coke, heroin, crack, and crystal meth.

On one hand people want ultimate freedom, but then when it comes to special ed programs for educating the crack babies they won't want to pay for it. (We're ALMOST far enough out from the "crack boom" that we're recovered.
 sglwhtmale

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Posted: 9/12/2009 8:09:20 AM
Smoking pot is not terrible!
It depends on if it is taking over your life such as doing it at work or if it effects your life enough that you aren't getting anything accomplished.
Drinking to me is far worse I would say,worse for your health,effects your body greatly if you're binge drinking,pot's going to be legalized probably within the next few years anyway,then it can be taxed!
I do both,but if I had to choose,it would be pot,helps me relax at night and I never smoke it while I'm on my job,normally at night to relax and helps me sleep like nothing else!
 scorpiomover

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Posted: 9/12/2009 8:10:28 AM

What are your issues with it? and why?
I'm not any more or less bothered about it than anything else. I'd be far more bothered about a non-smoker who stays on the couch all day, and eats garbage, than an active dope smoker with a job they enjoy. About the only issue I do have with it, is that a lot of girls I knew who smoked dope, cheated on their boyfriends. But the same would apply to women who drink a lot.

What makes this such a no-no? Is it worse in your views than alcohol?
It's far less harmful than alcohol. But it's socially taboo, mainly because politicians have done an incredibly good job of associating it with heroin, and thus killing off the hemp industry, which competed with petroleum for a while, because most things that are made with petroleum, have been made with hemp. But 99% of people can grow hemp themselves, so with hemp, you wouldn't need to buy your stuff from big corporations. Only big corporations can get petroleum out of the ground, so with petroleum, you'd have to spend most of your money buying stuff from big corporations. So it's a no-brainer that big business wanted to kill it off.

Many states and cities have decriminalized it citing a poor enforcement record and imprudent use of police resources.
That's because drug dealers have managed so far, to bring in so much drugs, of any variety, that any criminal seizures and criminal convictions that police have made in drugs, is almost a joke, compared to how many people sell drugs, how many new people join the illegal drugs industry every day, and how much drugs gets brought into our countries every day and how much drugs gets sold in our countries every day. So police know they are fighting a losing battle. But if something is really harmful to society, they have to do what they can to stop it, regardless. So police have had to have a very hard look at drugs, to decide which ones are really that harmful for society, which they have to make the effort to try to stop, even though they know they'll lose the majority of battles, and which ones are not that harmful for society, and they might as well use those resources in stopping the really harmful ones. The ones that seem the most harmful, are heroin, cocaine, crack, and crystal meth. The ones that seem that least harmful, are marijuana, as its not addictive, and the most it does, it make you lethargic, and that is only a problem for things like work, and you can avoid that problem, by simply smoking after work, and not first thing in the morning.
 Belle Lass

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Posted: 9/12/2009 9:08:06 AM
You know, the same old arguments come up on here that I have heard since the 70's!
This thread is very informative. I have a feeling that when I now see a profile that says No to Use Drugs I will automatically think Hmmmm. Only because most people on this thread believe that pot is NOT a drug.

Here is some factoids from the Website of Nationwide Treatment Centres for Alcohol and Drug Addictions.


Long-term marijuana abuse can lead to addiction; that is, compulsive drug seeking and abuse despite its known harmful effects upon social functioning in the context of family, school, work, and recreational activities. Long-term marijuana abusers trying to quit report irritability, sleeplessness, decreased appetite, anxiety, and drug craving, all of which make it difficult to quit. These withdrawal symptoms begin within about 1 day following abstinence, peak at 2-3 days, and subside within 1 or 2 weeks following drug cessation.

Is Marijuana Addictive or isn't It?
Based on all the information available, the answer is yes and no.

For people with dependency tendencies, the answer is YES. There are too many people in the world who smoke marijuana almost every day to say otherwise. Other people argue that they can take or leave it and have quit for long periods of time. And for those people the answer would probably be NO.

The thing about marijuana is it so subtle. There are places in California where it is legal to possess small quantities for private use. So what's the problem?

The problem with marijuana is, like any other drug, can become the focal point of a person's life. All of a sudden you want to get high before or during anything and everything. Your life begins to revolve around smoking marijuana. Like alcohol, it can be used responsibly and occasionally, or it can get out of control and cause serious problems.

Some people are "addicted" to marijuana and try to rationalize or justify using it. Like any other drug, marijuana can become the focal point of your life.

When I was with my S/O at the time, this is what I learned the hard way.
It is VERY true. HE did NOT KNOW at the time what kind of effect it had on our relationship. He believed he wasn't addicted and there wasn't anything wrong with his pot smoking.
Now that he has been clean for a couple of years (yes, he did go to re-hab as an out-patient.) he has a different frame of mind about it. More informed especially now that he has almost beat cancer of the throat. I just found out last night when I e-mailed him to see how he was doing. I hadn't heard from him in almost a year.
He had never smoked cigarettes. Thought they were dangerous but found out that his cancer was directly caused from smoking.


The Effects of Marijuana Use
THC acts upon specific sites in the brain, called cannabis receptors, kicking off a series of cellular reactions that ultimately lead to the "high" that users experience when they smoke marijuana. Some brain areas have many cannabinoid receptors; others have few or none. The highest density of cannabis receptors are found in parts of the brain that influence pleasure, memory, thoughts, concentration, sensory and time perception, and coordinated movement.

Not surprisingly, marijuana intoxication can cause distorted perceptions, impaired coordination, difficulty in thinking and problem solving, and problems with learning and memory. Research has shown that marijuana's adverse impact on learning and memory can last for days or weeks after the acute effects of the drug wear off. As a result, someone who smokes marijuana every day may be functioning at a suboptimal intellectual level all of the time.

Research into Marijuana Use
Research on the long-term effects of marijuana abuse indicates some changes in the brain similar to those seen after long-term abuse of other major drugs. For example, cannabinoid withdrawal in chronically exposed animals leads to an increase in the activation of the stress-response system3 and changes in the activity of nerve cells containing dopamine. Dopamine neurons are involved in the regulation of motivation and reward, and are directly or indirectly affected by all drugs of abuse.

Marijuana Use and Mental Health
A number of studies have shown an association between chronic marijuana use and increased rates of anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation, and schizophrenia. Some of these studies have shown age at first use to be a factor, where early use is a marker of vulnerability to later problems. However, at this time, it not clear whether marijuana use causes mental problems, exacerbates them, or is used in attempt to self-medicate symptoms already in existence. Chronic marijuana use, especially in a very young person, may also be a marker of risk for mental illnesses, including addiction, stemming from genetic or environmental vulnerabilities, such as early exposure to stress or violence. At the present time, the strongest evidence links marijuana use and schizophrenia and/or related disorders. High doses of marijuana can produce an acute psychotic reaction, and research suggests that in vulnerable individuals, marijuana use may be a factor that increases risk for the disease.

Years ago I was a LT foster Mom to a little boy of ten. He was the result of a mother who abused pot and alcohol while she was pregnant. He had special needs but was the most sweetest little guy. When he started turning sixteen, I started noticing changes in him. He got more withdrawn at times and then he became more intense about some things in his life. When I started noticing delusional tendencies, I wondered about drug use. I asked him if he was trying anything like that. No! He was against drug use because of what his mom had done and how it affected his life. I was mystified. I took him to the doctor and described some of the symptoms he was having. The doctor was concerned but didn't diagnose anything as yet. His Social Worker was getting concerned too.
By the time he was just past 16 it had progressed to full-blown schizphrenia. He had quite a few psychotic bouts/periods (about a year) before he settled down on a prescribed round of drugs.
The professionals dealing with him have all said it was his inheritance from his mother and her abuse of drugs and alcohol. Pot is a drug.

Just saying. I hope they don't legalize it. I have seen too much harm.
 letson

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Posted: 9/12/2009 9:13:57 AM
I'm just not into subtance abusers of any kind - be it food, drink, smoke, drugs, gambling , golf , watching sports etc. There CAN be too much of a good thing !

Aside from that - why would I want to hang out with someone who is subject to arrest when out in public ? Yeah - that's real relaxing ...

Then the facts :

What are its short-term effects?
Short-term effects of marijuana include problems with memory and learning, distorted perception (sights, sounds, time, touch), trouble with thinking and problem solving, loss of motor coordination, increased heart rate, and anxiety.These effects are even greater when other drugs are mixed with weed. A user may also experience dry mouth and throat.
( Do YOU wanna be on the road next to a pot impaired driver ??? ! )

What are its long-term effects?
Marijuana smoke contains some of the same cancer-causing compounds as tobacco, sometimes in higher concentrations. Studies show that someone who smokes five joints per week may be taking in as many cancer-causing chemicals as someone who smokes a full pack of cigarettes every day.

I'll get my "highs" in other ways, thanks !



 Belle Lass

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Posted: 9/12/2009 9:55:39 AM
More on driving abilities ~

Research shows that when under the influence of marijuana drivers have been
found to have a harder time following their lane (known as tracking ability). It also
reduces a driver’s ability to perceive changes in the relative speed of other vehicles
and to adjust his/her own speed accordingly.
Marijuana use has been found to increase the reaction time needed to respond to an
emergency decision-making task, such as responding to sudden changes in speed of
the vehicle ahead or to the vehicle’s brake lights. A driver needs to notice
something in order to respond to it and that has to do with the driver’s attention.
Because marijuana use can disturb concentration and short-term memory, a driver
has a harder time paying attention to events and situations on the road.
Marijuana impairment is most severe during what is known as the acute phase,
which typically lasts for up to 60 minutes after smoking. This is followed by postacute
(the phase after the acute one) and residual phases. The residual phase is 150
minutes or more after smoking, during which impairment decreases rapidly. The
degree of impairment during the residual phase depends on the amount consumed.
After smoking a so-called typical dose (about 20 mg) of THC, the residual phase
lasts 2-3 hours.
Regular users have been found to experience less effect from the same dose. Unlike
alcohol, marijuana’s THC concentrations can vary significantly from batch to
batch. The degree of impairment is dose related. Since cannabis is illegal and
unregulated, there is no standardized consumption limit as there is for drinking
alcohol and driving. Using alcohol in combination with marijuana even at low
doses has been shown to produce severe driving impairment and increase the risk of
accidents.
It is the effects of marijuana on driving—not the legal status of pot—that makes its
use illegal both before or while taking control of a motor vehicle.
Sources:
Canadian Public Health Association, Pot and Driving Campaign, 2005
CCSA Cannabis FAQs , March 2003
CCSA Driving Under the Influence of Cannabis, December 2006


My Saturday morning resource chase: Illuminating!
More on pot and schizphrenia ~ Be careful about what you teach your children about this drug. When you teach your babies that it is less harmless than alcohol to use, you just might be signing a death warrant for them for life!!!
To all you "old" 70's Waldos, this stuff that is being cranked out now is more potent and lethal than ever.

Marijuana and Mental Health
There is plenty of research to show that marijuana use can cause short lived psychotic episodes which include mild impairment of consciousness, distortion of time sense, a dream like euphoric state, fragmentation of thought processes and auditory and visual
hallucinations. These experiences are usually brief and the person soon returns to normal.
There is evidence from a number of studies that rates of marijuana use are higher among those people with schizophrenia than the general population (about twice as high). Regular marijuana use increases the chance of developing later schizophrenia or a schizophrenia like illness by approximately two to three times.
Research suggests that those who start using marijuana at an early age (under 15) have an increased risk of developing a schizophrenic disorder when compared with those who started using at age 18 or older. Marijuana use is a moderate risk factor in the development of schizophrenia for those who are already vulnerable because of individual or family reasons. Using marijuana can make symptoms and treatment outcomes worse for those who have schizophrenia. Research also shows that marijuana use is a moderate risk factor for developing later depression especially for those who begin using under the age of 18.
Source: The Beckly Foundation Drug Policy Program, Cannabis and Mental Health: Responses to the Emerging Evidence April 2006
 kpooks

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Posted: 9/12/2009 10:34:41 AM
Actually tried it a couple years ago after my brother died and I was wracked with temendous anxiety (because my spiritual beliefs are questionable) and felt I needed to calm myself down. My neighbor talked me into doing it. It was good sh-t! First hit was like murder on my lungs...hacking the sh-t up...second hit my lungs were used to it and it was oddly soothing...third hit...I was comatose and ready for sleep.

Gave it up, because it took 3 days to clear the tar out of my lungs and I don't really want lung cancer. But I think it's the least lethal of the narcotics out there, and, aside from the tar-in-the-lungs factor, and the fact that the stuff saps any motivation one might have, it's a great sedative, equal to and longer-lasting than alcohol in my view. I think it should be legalized, regulated and taxed, like cigarettes. The government needs the revenue, that's for sure, it would mellow the USA out, like Jamaica, and the quality of the sh-t would be consistent and probably quite high if regulated.
 13karat

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Posted: 9/12/2009 10:47:01 AM
Personally, I think legalizing it would be a great boost for the economy.

Aside from the facts that scorpiomover brings out in post #69 re: petroleum vs. hemp, we could really do a lot of good for the environment by using hemp. It is a smart decision in so many ways.

If we legalized pot, then all of those who wished to smoke it, would soon be unemployed, and those who wanted to work, would be able to find jobs .... and they would be productive workers too.
 .Marc

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Posted: 9/12/2009 10:48:29 AM
^ Um... Jamaica isn't mellow. I mean, yes... the resorts are, but outside of them is horrendously corrupt. The Jamaican people I've met have warned me against venturing outside of resorts as a tourist.

Though I agree that it should be legalized and taxed.
 jesseld

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Posted: 9/12/2009 10:58:18 AM
If only those poor indigenous "Savages" Had, had these facts !
Why, they might not have lost everything to those "puritan" Europeans !
Thank you, Thank you so much for killing thousands , cramming us off into "forgotten " little corners of the country, and showing us the "error" of our ways !


#1. You've got about as much Native American in you as a land locked Scotsman in Glasgow.

#2. Your posts alone show your ignorance as you constantly beat on that Obama drum.


Having lived with people like yourself for so long has made me aware of just how cynical and paranoid truly heavy drug users can become and to the lengths they will go to defend their perceived "right" to do it. Mainly you and your ilk are just a waste of flesh and potential.

BTW, since you want to bring the Native American thing into it.

Maybe if they hadn't been smoking all that pot and eating peyote for generations, they would have advanced as a culture into a nation of people who could have defended their land from a more advanced aggressor. Or at least they could have had better analytical skills to recognize they were being scammed.

As for them being on reservations, nobody is forcing them to stay there, they can leave any time and join the rest of society. They are being forced to live on a reservation about as much as the Amish are forced to stay on their farmland.
 jesseld

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Posted: 9/12/2009 11:13:44 AM
Ah, another lib ! I swear its just soooo easy !
Look up the name "gall" he was my mothers greatgrandfather


If you mean Lib as in Libertarian then you are correct, if as in Liberal then way off base.

Look up genetics, biology and ancestry. Your to far removed from that bloodline to claim to be part of it.

 .Marc

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Posted: 9/12/2009 11:14:39 AM
That's a very limited analysis of Native American culture.
Also, some of them did a damn good job in attempted battle, but were ultimately outgunned. Trickery and the intentional infection of natives with small pox didn't help.

Geronimo did a damn good job with what he had, as did others.... there were just too many aggressors.
 jesseld

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Posted: 9/12/2009 11:24:46 AM

That's a very limited analysis of Native American culture.


Granted.

In reality it would only be one example of many. Sociologically it could be a factor though since the Native Americans had no culturally significant advancements for almost a millennium.
 Onlyluvcando

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Posted: 9/12/2009 1:13:17 PM
Thou shalt always offer thine spliff to thine neighbor.

Thou shalt make sure that all thine neighbors are offered it in turn and pass it back, lol

I've dated quite a few men from this site, who were ALL...420 friendly !!

Anything in moderation if fine !

I too agree it should be legalized, I d rather someone smoke pot around me than be heavily drunk and repeat their da m stories over and over again
 Spagett!

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Posted: 9/12/2009 2:04:25 PM

Here is some factoids from the Website of Nationwide Treatment Centres for Alcohol and Drug Addictions.


I ran a search for "Nationwide Treatment Centres for Alcohol and Drug Addictions." and could not find the website where you got your "facts" from.

With that said, here are the REAL facts. With a LINK to back up the quotes:


Your "fact":

Long-term marijuana abuse can lead to addiction; that is, compulsive drug seeking and abuse despite its known harmful effects upon social functioning in the context of family, school, work, and recreational activities. Long-term marijuana abusers trying to quit report irritability, sleeplessness, decreased appetite, anxiety, and drug craving, all of which make it difficult to quit. These withdrawal symptoms begin within about 1 day following abstinence, peak at 2-3 days, and subside within 1 or 2 weeks following drug cessation.

Source: ?

Real MYTH:

Myth: Marijuana is Highly Addictive. Long term marijuana users experience physical dependence and withdrawal, and often need professional drug treatment to break their marijuana habits.

Source: http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

Real FACT:

Fact: Most people who smoke marijuana smoke it only occasionally. A small minority of Americans - less than 1 percent - smoke marijuana on a daily basis. An even smaller minority develop a dependence on marijuana. Some people who smoke marijuana heavily and frequently stop without difficulty. Others seek help from drug treatment professionals. Marijuana does not cause physical dependence. If people experience withdrawal symptoms at all, they are remarkably mild.

Source: http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

Let's take a break real quick, so you can have some time to fumble around for some more "facts". While you are busy, I have a quick question for the readers:


THC acts upon specific sites in the brain, called cannabis receptors...
Source: ?

So, if part of my brain is specifically called a "Cannabis Receptor" isn't it safe to assume that my brain is supposed to get Cannabis? Why would it have receptors designed for the task, if they were not to be used?


There are currently two known subtypes, CB1[1][2] which is expressed mainly in the brain, but also in the lungs, liver and kidneys and CB2 which is mainly expressed in the immune system and in hematopoietic cells. Mounting evidence suggests that there are novel cannabinoid receptors[3] that is, non-CB1 and non-CB2, which are expressed in endothelial cells and in the CNS. In 2007, the binding of several cannabinoids to a G protein-coupled receptor (GPCR) in the brain was described.[4]

The protein sequences of CB1 and CB2 receptors are about 44% similar.[5] In addition, minor variations in each receptor have been identified. Cannabinoids bind reversibly and stereo-selectively to the cannabinoid receptors. The affinity of an individual cannabinoid to each receptor determines the effect of that cannabinoid. Cannabinoids that bind more selectively to certain receptors are more desirable for medical usage.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid_receptor

Wow, that looks real technical to me. Good thing we have fear-mongers to put it into laymans terms for us!

Fear-mongers that spout lies like:


Research on the long-term effects of marijuana abuse indicates some changes in the brain similar to those seen after long-term abuse of other major drugs. For example, cannabinoid withdrawal in chronically exposed animals leads to an increase in the activation of the stress-response system3 and changes in the activity of nerve cells containing dopamine. Dopamine neurons are involved in the regulation of motivation and reward, and are directly or indirectly affected by all drugs of abuse.

Source: ?

AND


A number of studies have shown an association between chronic marijuana use and increased rates of anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation, and schizophrenia. Some of these studies have shown age at first use to be a factor, where early use is a marker of vulnerability to later problems. However, at this time, it not clear whether marijuana use causes mental problems, exacerbates them, or is used in attempt to self-medicate symptoms already in existence. Chronic marijuana use, especially in a very young person, may also be a marker of risk for mental illnesses, including addiction, stemming from genetic or environmental vulnerabilities, such as early exposure to stress or violence. At the present time, the strongest evidence links marijuana use and schizophrenia and/or related disorders. High doses of marijuana can produce an acute psychotic reaction, and research suggests that in vulnerable individuals, marijuana use may be a factor that increases risk for the disease.

Source:?

When the REAL FACTS are:


Fact: There is no convincing scientific evidence that marijuana causes psychological damage or mental illness in either teenagers or adults. Some marijuana users experience psychological distress following marijuana ingestion, which may include feelings of panic, anxiety, and paranoia. Such experiences can be frightening, but the effects are temporary. With very large doses, marijuana can cause temporary toxic psychosis. This occurs rarely, and almost always when marijuana is eaten rather than smoked. Marijuana does not cause profound changes in people's behavior.

Iverson, Leslie. “Long-term effects of exposure to cannabis.” Current Opinion in Pharmacology 5(2005): 69-72.
Weiser and Noy. “Interpreting the association between cannabis use and increased risk of schizophrenia.” Dialogues in Clincal Neuroscience 1(2005): 81-85.

"Cannabis use will impair but not damage mental health." London Telegraph. 23 January 2006.
Andreasson, S. et al. “Cannabis and Schizophrenia: A Longitudinal study of Swedish Conscripts,” The Lancet 2 (1987): 1483-86.
Degenhardt, Louisa, Wayne Hall and Michael Lynskey. “Testing hypotheses about the relationship between cannabis use and psychosis,” Drug and Alcohol Dependence 71 (2003): 42-4.
Weil, A. “Adverse Reactions to Marijuana: Classification and Suggested Treatment.” New England Journal of Medicine 282 (1970): 997-1000.

Source: http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

Go spout your dis-info elsewhere.

That is what the problem is with pot. You have a plethora of "smart" people that carry backpacks full of lies and dis-information. People say pot-smokers are lazy, but it is apparent that I have done more research and work LEARNING about this, than the 'anti-pots'. Just sayin'

PS: I obviously have no issues with pot, smoke, or pot smoke...be right back
 REDDRAGON.

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THC acts upon specific sites in the brain, called cannabis receptors...
Source: ?

So, if part of my brain is specifically called a "Cannabis Receptor" isn't it safe to assume that my brain is supposed to get Cannabis? Why would it have receptors designed for the task, if they were not to be used?



Cannabis Receptors.................



I spewd coffee all over my screen.
 Spagett!

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Posted: 9/12/2009 2:41:26 PM
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You quoted:

Research shows that when under the influence of marijuana drivers have been
found to have a harder time following their lane (known as tracking ability). It also
reduces a driver’s ability to perceive changes in the relative speed of other vehicles
and to adjust his/her own speed accordingly.


The truth:

Fact: There is no compelling evidence that marijuana contributes substantially to traffic accidents and fatalities. At some doses, marijuana affects perception and psychomotor performances- changes which could impair driving ability. However, in driving studies, marijuana produces little or no car-handling impairment- consistently less than produced by low moderate doses of alcohol and many legal medications. In contrast to alcohol, which tends to increase risky driving practices, marijuana tends to make subjects more cautious. Surveys of fatally injured drivers show that when THC is detected in the blood, alcohol is almost always detected as well. For some individuals, marijuana may play a role in bad driving. The overall rate of highway accidents appears not to be significantly affected by marijuana's widespread use in society.

Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse. “Legalization: Panacea or Pandora’s Box”. New York. (1995):36.

Swan, Neil. “A Look at Marijuana’s Harmful Effects.” NIDA Notes. 9.2 (1994): 14.

Moskowitz, Herbert and Robert Petersen. Marijuana and Driving: A Review. Rockville: American Council for Drug Education, 1982. 7.

Mann, Peggy. Marijuana Alert. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1985. 265.


Just for you:

To all you "old" 70's Waldos, this stuff that is being cranked out now is more potent and lethal than ever.


The truth:

Myth: Marijuana Is More Potent Today Than In The Past. Adults who used marijuana in the 1960s and 1970s fail to realize that when today's youth use marijuana they are using a much more dangerous drug.

Fact: When today's youth use marijuana, they are using the same drug used by youth in the 1960s and 1970s. A small number of low-THC samples seized by the Drug Enforcement Administration are used to calculate a dramatic increase in potency. However, these samples were not representative of the marijuana generally available to users during this era. Potency data from the early 1980s to the present are more reliable, and they show no increase in the average THC content of marijuana. Even if marijuana potency were to increase, it would not necessarily make the drug more dangerous. Marijuana that varies quite substantially in potency produces similar psychoactive effects.

King LA, Carpentier C, Griffiths P. “Cannabis potency in Europe.” Addiction. 2005 Jul; 100(7):884-6

Henneberger, Melinda. "Pot Surges Back, But It’s, Like, a Whole New World." New York Times 6 February 1994: E18.

Brown, Lee. “Interview with Lee Brown,” Dallas Morning News 21 May 1995.

Drug Enforcement Administration. U.S. Drug Threat Assessment, 1993. Washington, DC: U.S. Department of Justice, 1993.

Kleiman, Mark A.R. Marijuana: Costs of Abuse, Costs of Control. Westport: Greenwood Press, 1989. 29.

Bennett, William. Director of National Drug Control Policy, remarks at Conference of Mayors. 23 April 1990.


And since you still were spouting that it causes mental illness, or is related somehow:

Myth: Marijuana Can Cause Permanent Mental Illness. Among adolescents, even occasional marijuana use may cause psychological damage. During intoxication, marijuana users become irrational and often behave erratically.

Fact: There is no convincing scientific evidence that marijuana causes psychological damage or mental illness in either teenagers or adults. Some marijuana users experience psychological distress following marijuana ingestion, which may include feelings of panic, anxiety, and paranoia. Such experiences can be frightening, but the effects are temporary. With very large doses, marijuana can cause temporary toxic psychosis. This occurs rarely, and almost always when marijuana is eaten rather than smoked. Marijuana does not cause profound changes in people's behavior.

Iverson, Leslie. “Long-term effects of exposure to cannabis.” Current Opinion in Pharmacology 5(2005): 69-72.
Weiser and Noy. “Interpreting the association between cannabis use and increased risk of schizophrenia.” Dialogues in Clincal Neuroscience 1(2005): 81-85.

"Cannabis use will impair but not damage mental health." London Telegraph. 23 January 2006.

Andreasson, S. et al. “Cannabis and Schizophrenia: A Longitudinal study of Swedish Conscripts,” The Lancet 2 (1987): 1483-86.

Degenhardt, Louisa, Wayne Hall and Michael Lynskey. “Testing hypotheses about the relationship between cannabis use and psychosis,” Drug and Alcohol Dependence 71 (2003): 42-4.

Weil, A. “Adverse Reactions to Marijuana: Classification and Suggested Treatment.” New England Journal of Medicine 282 (1970): 997-1000.


At least you put your sources in this time, now you need to get some more reliable sources!

----------Topic Alert!
I truly believe that it is things like MSG: 72 that cause the 'great divide' between anything, not just pot smokers/non pot smokers.

Even if pot becomes 100% legal, you HAVE to know what is going to happen. Cigarettes used to be 100% legal...

The problem isn't pot smokers vs non pot smokers, or smokers vs non smokers, the problem is people vs people. Something I like to call "Moral pushing", thanks to "moral pushing" agendas like MSG: 72 (Not the poster, the message quotations) we are stuck in a world where labels rule the mind.

A girl passes two people on the street, one smoking a joint, the other reading the bible, here are her thoughts:

"He smokes pot?! Eww, he is a really mean nasty person!" (Smoker = Carl Sagan.)
"He loves Jesus!? Wow what a dreamy dream!" (Thumper = Jeffry Dahmer.)

Moral of the story, quit focusing on what someone puts in their body. Focus on what is coming out. (Philosophically of course, the other way is...well...gross.)
 jesseld

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Jesseld you seem to be just as educated as a wet paper bag.

Well I am sure that many people are gonna tear you a new one over your grossly ignorant comments about the Native Americans. About their Cultural advancement, what do you think is so bad about how they were living? Their technology was limited, mainly their technology for war. They ate their food, not starving, they all lived in their own homes (made of skins and wood but did work), not sleeping in cardboard boxes in oil stained streets, they breathed clean air not full of carbon.


What I think is so bad about the way they were living is that there was no intellectual growth in their culture. The son did as the father did as the grandfather and so on. They were stagnant until Europeans came into their lives.

They reached a cultural development level then ceased advancing, while the majority of the world continued on. This made them weak. Natural selection being what it is, they fell into place.


I would personally trade my current living with theirs any day of the week.


What’s stopping you? Go outside the city and buy a small piece of land and live there in a Tee Pee. Hunt your food and cultivate your crops. It’s not illegal to do so as long as you leave out the Marijuana.


Now back to marijuana, Native Americans had a different Culture, one of personal responsibility and common sense. When they used drugs (mainly the southern tribes as the Northern ones couldn't grow such crops) they used it rarely, it wasn't nearly as potent as it is now, and it was apart of their Spiritual Culture, this means it was done only during special circumstances that rarely arose. Peyote, that was done very very rarely, usually only once in a Man's life, traveling to the spirit world to be guided into a man. They did use it for other Spiritual reasons but that wouldn't be every Indian, only very small portion of the Native Americans used Peyote outside of becoming a man.


Yes, because kids never get into Dad’s stash or in the American Indians case never walks out in nature and takes their own for their own use. This argument is moot since neither of us is going to have an accurate accounting of what every Indian in every tribe did or even a partial viewing since the majority of their history is mainly stored in verbal context and passed down generation to generation. You choose to believe in the romanticized version of events, I don’t.


Marijuana's effects on a Human being is all up to their tolerance. So many times I have heard people claim to have experienced the effects of Marijuana and claim that they know what it is like. They take that personal experience and apply it to all people making claims like, "I don't see how anyone could function like that," or "Thank God I wasn't behind the wheel," But these are all from people who have smoked very little. No one tells these people that those who have been smoking for years don't experience that. All they get is a slight buzz, a little bit of some endorphin release. Much like smoking a cigarette.

People love throwing around stats, well here are some: No one ever, anywhere, has died of Marijuana, statistically speaking Water is more Dangerous than Marijuana.


In 1999 there were 187 documented marijuana overdoses in which the person had not consumed any other drug. There were 664 if you include people who overdosed on marijuana that had also taken other drugs (Federal Register (2001), page 20050.) These are not overdoses on the other drugs they were taking.


Those who are experienced smokers, after smoking, then drive are better than those who don't smoke while driving. Inclinations towards "road rage" are gone, they let things go a lot easier, Speeding is also reduced and the level of paying attention to the road is increased. It makes sense right? When someone isn't blitzed out of their mind but a little buzzed just doesn't care that the azzhole infront of them cut them off, they don't have the NEED to rush home after work.


Where have we heard this argument before….. Oh yeah, alcoholics who don’t want to take a cab home from the bar.
Two NIDA studies show different.


Just remember the human body does adjust to any chemical in the body and then compensates. Just because you have smoked before in the past does not mean you have experience of that drug, at least not to its full extent.

About the legality of smoking, and the claims that smoking makes you a worthless zombie are just ignorant. The last three Presidents have admitted to smoking Marijuana, and that was while it was illegal, before Marijuana became illegal it was done among the political elites (Benjamin Franklin anyone?) and those with the power. (Prior to it becoming known to the lower level immigrants and therefore prior to all of the racist discrimination given to Marijuana in order to take down any folks of color) If you disagree just look it up.


Obama = Yeah he admitted to trying it. Doesn’t mean he’s an avid user. Does he use it on occasion? Wouldn’t surprise me considering some of the hair brained shit he’s coming up with.

Bush Jr = Do you really want him as an example? Let’s not forget the alcoholism and the Coke addiction.

Clinton = Yeah he admitted to trying it. Doesn’t mean he’s an avid user. Does he use it on occasion? Wouldn’t surprise me considering some of the hair brained shit he came up with.

Ben Franklin = Owned a paper mill which processed Hemp. Hemp and marijuana are varieties of the Cannabis sativa plant. Difference is that the plant that Industrialized Hemp comes from contains 1% of the drug THC where as the plant that Marijuana comes from contains 10 to 20%.


It does bother me that so many people go around making uneducated statements. We are on the Internet maybe go to a historically accurate website before going around posting.


“Historically accurate” on the Internet is a subjective term and is usually determined by the individuals own bias.


*I had a much more educational, logical, and sound argument written before posting this, it got deleted and I don't feel like taking the extra 10 minutes re-writing all of it, this is the gest of it*- Ghost Writer

As far as being a libertarian :,Lets see, accomplishments:
1. Ralph Nader = Rid us of the evil corvair
2. Jessie Ventura=Religious people, weak and stupid
3.Ross Perot, ok, now this one i have to give credit to ! He did warn us of a "Huge sucking sound", It's just i thought he was talking about the economy , not the sounds of "Clinton" in the oval office !


You should have researched that one a bit more. Of the three examples you provided, only one of them is a Libertarian.

Ralph Nader = Formerly of the Green Party is now a registered Independent.

Jesse Ventura = You got one right. As for your comment attached to the name in your list, I don’t necessarily disagree with it.

Ross Perot = Independent who was trying to form his own party.

If you would like a list of the celebrities or VIP members of the Libertarian Party please feel free to head on over to http://www.theadvocates.org/celebrities.html


I thought about your " I'm too watered down "statement about my lineage, but even i shouldn't have to point out, without him, i wouldn't be here.(whoops , look who you're talking too !)


Then you’re missing the point. You have no grounds to include yourself when talking about “atrocities committed on the Native American.”

You are too far removed from that blood line to claim ownership of it.
 jesseld

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Posted: 9/12/2009 3:05:25 PM
To Spagett!:

Your using a website advocating marijuana legalization as a source and proclaiming it as fact?

Might as well be using Wikipedia.

You really can't see that they would have a bias?
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