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 Belle Lass

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Posted: 9/12/2009 4:21:32 PM

Here is some factoids from the Website of Nationwide Treatment Centres for Alcohol and Drug Addictions

Pardon me, spageti - link
http://www.addict-help.com/index.asp

Did you really think that I made all of that up?
Also, my sources, and I deliberately went to sources who deal with this problem NOT ON A POLITICAL LEVEL
There is TOO much political propaganda out there advocating legalizing it.
I went to sources who have to deal with the RESULTS of pot-smoking and the damage it does.
All you have to go to is your nearest AA meetings or to ALANON to get a perspective on what it does to people and relationships. Real people can tell you, too.
In fact, my former ex can tell you what it is like to be clean for the first time in over 25 yrs! It's a different reality for him and he's having a hard time! He feels like he travelled to a different planet because his perpective on everything has shifted/changed . Like the Twilight Zone. He is feeling helpless and angry. Notice I said angry? He says his anger is totally out of control sometimes and he ends up crying for hours afterward.
Right now I am researching anger issues of former pot-smokers. Also, through sites that don't have a political alliliation to legalization.
 Annie I Oakley

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Posted: 9/12/2009 4:47:17 PM

I went to sources who have to deal with the RESULTS of pot-smoking and the damage it does.
All you have to go to is your nearest AA meetings or to ALANON to get a perspective on what it does to people and relationships. Real people can tell you, too.



I find it interesting that you bring up AA since AA is "alcoholics" anonymous. The key word there being "alcohol", which is legal. I as an adult should be able to decide if I want to have an alcoholic beverage just as I as an adult should be able to decide if I want to smoke a joint. The vast majority of people who drink alcohol never have a problem with it.The vast majority never become addicted. The vast majority of people who smoke marijuana never have a problem with it, so why is it illegal for all of us when only a few have a problem with it? Why am I punished for someones else's inability to stop and get help for their addictive behavior?


You should really not let your ex color your whole view of this topic. Just because your ex became addicted to marijuana does not in any way mean everyone will. In fact as I said most people will never have a problem with it.I never had a problem with it after all.I am not exceptional in any way.

You could say the same thing about gambling. It has destroyed peoples lives too.Guess what though? They "allowed" it to happen. Addicts "allow" themselves to become and remain addicted to whatever it is they feel a compulsion to do.

Addiction is a choice because if it was not a choice then that would mean that no addict could ever stop using whatever it is they are addicted to be it alcohol, drugs, gambling, sex, shoplifting, internet porn etc... Now I think we all know someone who has been addicted to something, your husband and drugs, and the rest of us know a variety of people who have been addicted to something. We also know that some of those people have "chosen" to get help and stop their destructive addictive actions.They made a choice to stop.
 Belle Lass

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Posted: 9/12/2009 4:52:58 PM
Actually AA and ALNON deal with the drug related addictions, too
I know, becuase I went to ALANON and got support and information on how to break free from a relationship with someone who had drug problems.

Also, the difference in gambling addiction is different from what substances that you put in your body and affects the children that you carry and the people around you.
There are people out there who simply believe that there is nothing wrong with pot. That it is way better than alcohol and cigarettes.
That is 70's thinking.
If you want to smoke pot on occasion, fine. Then do yourself a favour, first. Read up on it and it's real effects. Read up on real stats out there.
If you are going to drive a car, then know the car you are driving.
 Spagett!

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Posted: 9/12/2009 5:28:21 PM
Your using a website advocating marijuana legalization as a source and proclaiming it as fact?


If you would read where they got their sources from...

Can you tell me how these are bias:

Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse. “Legalization: Panacea or Pandora’s Box”. New York. (1995):36.

Swan, Neil. “A Look at Marijuana’s Harmful Effects.” NIDA Notes. 9.2 (1994): 14.

Moskowitz, Herbert and Robert Petersen. Marijuana and Driving: A Review. Rockville: American Council for Drug Education, 1982. 7.

Mann, Peggy. Marijuana Alert. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1985. 265.

King LA, Carpentier C, Griffiths P. “Cannabis potency in Europe.” Addiction. 2005 Jul; 100(7):884-6

Henneberger, Melinda. "Pot Surges Back, But It’s, Like, a Whole New World." New York Times 6 February 1994: E18.

Brown, Lee. “Interview with Lee Brown,” Dallas Morning News 21 May 1995.

Drug Enforcement Administration. U.S. Drug Threat Assessment, 1993. Washington, DC: U.S. Department of Justice, 1993.

Kleiman, Mark A.R. Marijuana: Costs of Abuse, Costs of Control. Westport: Greenwood Press, 1989. 29.

Bennett, William. Director of National Drug Control Policy, remarks at Conference of Mayors. 23 April 1990.

"Cannabis use will impair but not damage mental health." London Telegraph. 23 January 2006.

Andreasson, S. et al. “Cannabis and Schizophrenia: A Longitudinal study of Swedish Conscripts,” The Lancet 2 (1987): 1483-86.

Degenhardt, Louisa, Wayne Hall and Michael Lynskey. “Testing hypotheses about the relationship between cannabis use and psychosis,” Drug and Alcohol Dependence 71 (2003): 42-4.

Weil, A. “Adverse Reactions to Marijuana: Classification and Suggested Treatment.” New England Journal of Medicine 282 (1970): 997-1000.

(Oh wait, you cant.)


Pardon me, spageti - link
http://www.addict-help.com/index.asp

Did you really think that I made all of that up?

This however, IS BIAS. (Addict-help?)

EDIT (To add:)
Isn't their a 'logical fallacy' that entails something to the effect:

"Oh that's a source that is pro-marijuana. So all information from that source is false."

Yes, yes there is. Bad debating tactics...


If you want to smoke pot on occasion, fine. Then do yourself a favour, first. Read up on it and it's real effects. Read up on real stats out there.

I suggest you do the same before bringing lies/false facts to the debate.
 jesseld

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Posted: 9/12/2009 7:59:34 PM

I could not find any such information, overdosed on marijuana? Look at it factually, in order to have an over dose of THC, the active chemical in smoking marijuana you would have to smoke over your own body weight. That means if I wanted to OD on marijuana I would have to smoke, in one sitting, over 150lbs of marijuana that is equivalent to about 300,000.00 dollars. Not to mention the human body will pass-out and no longer be able to consume any marijuana long before OD. Not only is it almost financially impossible to OD on marijuana it IS impossible to OD on marijuana unless you have some way to continue sending it into your body after you have lost consciousness.

I am sure people have smoke marijuana and thought they have OD'd on it and have called the cops. I have even heard of police recordings where people have freaked out while being high, called the cops claiming that they are "dying," "dead," or that time itself has stopped. These are usually people that have never smoked before and assume the worst. I would not be surprised that the Government uses these instances to claim people have "OD'd" on the drug and had to have had some sort of medical treatment. (Legally even if someone isn't ODing but calls the cops they must respond to it as any other over-consumed chemical, leaving the police to report that an OD has occurred)

No matter what though, there has never been a documented death of over consumption of THC.


So, basically your argument is "it's a conspiracy".


I can't go live like the Indians, "go buy land" heh, the areas that the tribes controlled were larger than most states, even if I wanted to buy land I could never have as much land and as freedom to roam as the Native Americans. That means my food supply is greatly diminished as when they didn't have enough to eat they moved to a new part of their territory and hunted.


Your not a tribe, your impact on local resources wouldn't require the redundancy.


They didn't evolve? If you knew anything about history, especially of the Native Americans you would know that the Plains Indians were one of the first cultures to have an AGGROCULTURAL CULTURE, as in NOT HUNTER GATHERS. They lived more closely to how we do now then you would believe. They didn't have horses, they were forced to build actual houses, grow their land year to year and wait on the harvest. They had irrigation ditches, hand held tools, houses, in fact they were advanced enough in the way of growing things that the Colonists needed their technology to survive.


Irrigation:

Egyptians - 8000 years ago
Peruvians - 6000
Asia Minor - 5000
Native Americans - 4000
Europeans - 2500

The time line for simple constructs is about the same.

As I said, they were stagnant. The culture stopped moving forward on the timeline and they were passed by.

In regards to farming knowledge being superior, considering they were from the area thats no big surprise considering the Europeans were in a strange land with vegetation they'd never encountered before.


Darwinism and Natural Selection has everything to do with a shortage of resources and the adaptations animals have in order to survive during times of drought, it has absolutely nothing to do with people on people interactions.
What you are saying is if anyone comes up to you with a gun and kills you ,then he is more evolved than you and Natural selection of survival of the fittest has just taken place. Illogical.


Natural selection is the process by which individual organisms with favorable traits are more likely to survive and reproduce.
 ohwhynot46

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Posted: 9/12/2009 8:47:24 PM
Strong opinions often stem from either education or ignorance. My own (unnecessary, somewhat educated, from both experience & "schooling") has two different points:
As far as legalizing medicinal pot, that's a no brainer: it makes no sense that can pack your nose with coke after elective surgery, and kill your pain with powdered heroine, yet deny a glaucoma or cancer patient relief. To the point of recreational pot, it is much more akin to alcohol use than the other drugs it is often likened to, and the addictive ingredient comes from the same drug in legal (governmental income producing!) cigarettes. Let's also remember the politics of the criminalization of pot. Read up a bit on Harry Anslinger, and William Randolph Hearst; it has more to do with paper & the almighty dollar than concern for the health & welfare of the people. Just my two cents.
 saesph1

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Posted: 9/12/2009 9:27:10 PM
I don 't have time to smoke reefers anymore, tooo strong. I get a bag now and then as a tip, (mob biker folks). I give'm to the robyn unit. She likes to be stoned....wake and bake...till midnight. Sorry thats a deal braker, have not enough time in this life to be without someone who realy cares, and when a folk smokes this stuff, they don't care.
 jesseld

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Posted: 9/12/2009 10:01:56 PM

Yeah that is the most basic explanation of it used to teach those of lower level education. If you knew anything more you would know that what Darwin observed on the Islands is that birds with the different beak sizes ate the same type of seeds when food was plentiful, no need for a larger beak or a smaller one, then later observed when food actually became scarce, during these times is when the size of the beak mattered, the larger beaks were able to eat the larger seeds that the smaller beaks couldn't.

Scientists today now know that evolution happens sporadically, and quickly, during small sections of a long time line.


Ah, now you want to be specific.

Apparently simile is not to your liking.

Bottom line is this. You think that being culturally stagnant is a good thing, I don't.
 Bluesman2008

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Posted: 9/13/2009 12:12:13 AM

and the addictive ingredient comes from the same drug in legal (governmental income producing!) cigarettes


Good god. For once and for all, there is NO addictive drug in pot. None and I challenge you to prove otherwise.
 MatSlug

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Posted: 9/13/2009 12:53:58 AM
I'm against using any chemical on purpose to change how you act. That's any form of drug. Pot, alcohol, anything. I like you the way you are. Pumping something into your body to make yourself different doesn't make sense to me.
 tom2379

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Posted: 9/13/2009 2:45:58 AM
Totally agree with b&r...you know if they legalized it they'd hsve to tax it...not that its not expoensive enough already but think of the tax revenue weaiting to fund " uncle O's" health reform......yea rite
 .Marc

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Posted: 9/13/2009 4:27:27 AM
97, given that there is evidence out there that CHEESE is addictive, I tend to think that anything can be addictive.

Most evidence for marijuana being addictive is of the yes/no variety.
If you're the kind of person that easily becomes addicted to things, then yes you are likely to form a psychological addiction.

But you also have to consider how young people are when they start smoking. A lot of the people I knew that smoked heavily stared in middle school or high school. I think you're far more likely to form a psychological addiction then because you're so young. Doing something for 5 or 6 very formative years makes it hard to stop. It becomes habitual.
 ripley65

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Posted: 9/13/2009 5:04:40 AM

Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?


Ive been around drug users all of my life and had a family member OD at the age of 45. Quite frankly, im sick of it, and absolutely will not date anyone who partakes. Im also pretty tired of hearing how it relaxes them after a hard days work (yeah ive had that excuse told to me more times than i care to count). Like smoking a joint is the only thing that relaxes a person?? Pfft.
 buzzy9876

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Posted: 9/13/2009 5:06:54 AM

If someone needs a crutch when with me, then in all honesty they just aren't that interested are they?!


At our age, a 24 pack helps!
 buzzy9876

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Posted: 9/13/2009 5:09:01 AM

Ive been around drug users all of my life and had a family member OD at the age of 45. Quite frankly, im sick of it, and absolutely will not date anyone who partakes. Im also pretty tired of hearing how it relaxes them after a hard days work (yeah ive had that excuse told to me more times than i care to count). Like smoking a joint is the only thing that relaxes a person?? Pfft.


People who feel this way about pot. Pfft.
 Spagett!

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Posted: 9/13/2009 1:49:50 PM
Im also pretty tired of hearing how it relaxes them after a hard days work (yeah ive had that excuse told to me more times than i care to count). Like smoking a joint is the only thing that relaxes a person?? Pfft.


This is a great point! While we are on the subject let me add:

I'm also pretty tired of hearing how a 'cold-one' relaxes them after a hard days work (Yeah, I've had that excuse told to me more times than I care to count.) Like drinking a beer is the only thing that relaxes a person?? Pfft.

Oh, and this one:

I'm also pretty tired of hearing how a 'snack' relaxes them after a hard days work (Yeah, I've had that excuse told to me more times than I care to count.) Like food is the only thing that relaxes a person?? Pfft.

My favorite:

I'm also pretty tired of hearing how a 'pill' relaxes them after a hard days work (Yeah, I've had that excuse told to me more times than I care to count.) Like prescriptions are the only thing that relaxes a person?? Pfft.

Apparently you're right, pot isn't the only thing that "relaxes a person"!

EDIT (To Add:)
Still waiting on how that list of sources I supplied was bias too (General question, towards poster accusing my source of being bias.)
 .Marc

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Posted: 9/13/2009 1:56:22 PM
The bottom line is that it's a crime.
You may not disagree with the law, and that's your right. You may protest the law. That too is your right. You may also choose to break the law, and I would say that THIS is also your right as long as you are prepared to face the penalties.

However, if you choose to break the law, one of the penalties seems to be that some other people will choose not to be linked to you romantically.

Whether it's addictive, whether it's bad for you, whether it's "a big deal" ... these things are all relative and arguable. The meat of that matter is that in most places and for most people it is illegal. As I said before, I really don't care if you choose to break the law (Theoreu argued that breaking the law was sometimes necessary, and I agree with him), but you need to recognize that one of the penalties is that some people won't want to be a party to it.
 Spagett!

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Posted: 9/13/2009 2:02:08 PM

...but you need to recognize that one of the penalties is that some people won't want to be a party to it.


This applies to EVERYTHING not just pot. And, here in California, it isn't illegal state wise. Federally, aye, but that is a messy topic.

Regardless of the legal status of ANYTHING, if someone doesn't like it then it IS a red flag. I can accept that people do not like pot, I can accept that they do not like me because I smoke pot. I will not accept them spreading lies and slander about pot, nor about pot smokers.

It is a personal choice, either you like it or you don't. Really, as a previous poster said, it is all about William Randolph Hearst. Because hemp made a cheaper paper than newsprint, he decided to go to war. "Reefer Madness" should be a familiar movie title, wonder who funded that...
 .Marc

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Posted: 9/13/2009 2:07:53 PM
Legality isn't really a messy topic. It just means that enforcement with local law enforcement will be less stringent.

THE SUPREMACY CLAUSE Article. VI.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

Federal law trumps state law every time.

Even the smallest amount of first hand experience seems to indicate that you could argue either way on most points besides it being against the law. Yes, there is a lot of historical arguments that would say that banning it was a largely capitalistic move, but you also have to look at US culture. Puritanism is strong in the roots of the US, and it can still be seen in a lot of our culture and politics.
 Greyfeld

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Posted: 9/13/2009 2:19:54 PM
I tend to shy away from anybody who does pot, or drinks, in any amount. Not because it's illegal or anything stupid like that, but because of my experiences with people who take part in that sort of thing.

The last time I dated a girl that "occasionally" did pot, I couldn't have a conversation with her any time she was high. And she wouldn't tell me when she was going to be high either, I'd meet up with her somewhere, and while talking to her, I'd realize she's totally stoned, because she couldn't hold the conversation. She'd get bored, zone out, get distracted with other things/people... I wasn't talking to HER anymore, I was dealing with somebody totally zonked out on weed.

I've had similar experiences with alcohol, but this thread is about MJ, so I won't go into details about that. My point is, a person's personality changes when they're intoxicated on any substance, and it really unnerves me when I have to deal with that sort of thing. That's why I don't deal with pot smokers.
 jesseld

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Posted: 9/13/2009 2:21:26 PM

Still waiting on how that list of sources I supplied was bias too (General question, towards poster accusing my source of being bias.)


Yeah, I forgot about to be honest.

Here's what I got so far.....


Iverson, Leslie. “Long-term effects of exposure to cannabis.” Current Opinion in Pharmacology 5(2005): 69-72.


I can neither deny or confirm since I'm not going to pay the 35 bucks to gain access to the research paper. Most I can do is confirm that what was typed on the website is indeed in the research paper. Without context or documentation on how the research was done the quote is meaningless.


United States. Dept. of Health and Human Services. DASIS Report Series, Differences in Marijuana Admissions Based on Source of Referral. 2002. June 24 2005.


I invite you to look for youself at http://www.oas.samhsa.gov/2k5/mjreferrals/mjreferrals.htm

I'll work on the others as I get around to it.

Moral is this, picking and choosing quotes from research papers out of context does not a fact make. If that was the case then Michael Moore would always be right.
 Spagett!

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Posted: 9/13/2009 2:23:35 PM
Puritanism is strong in the roots of the US, and it can still be seen in a lot of our culture and politics.


This is the biggest reason, in my opinion, that there are such strong uninformed opinions on pot smoking here. Of course, that doesn't include the other participating countries, just strong uninformed American posts. (Mine included, for I do not know everything.)

Also, I love debate. I have been known to take the devils-advocate just for the fun of debating. (Not in this case.) And while you are 100% correct on the intrepretation of the law, the Feds don't seem to be. Or at least, very little is done to combat our medical users.

Nothing refutes my original stance, it all boils down to personal preference. And just because it isn't right for one person, doesn't mean that it isn't right for all persons.

VVVVV
Nice straw man!

You ever going to tell me how that list of sources was bias?


EDIT (To Add:)
Didn't see the plethora of response during this post, what about the Federal source? Is that one bias?
 jesseld

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Posted: 9/13/2009 2:25:40 PM

Nothing refutes my original stance, it all boils down to personal preference. And just because it isn't right for one person, doesn't mean that it isn't right for all persons.


So I take it you would be in support of bringing back the old style Opium Dens?
 Spagett!

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Posted: 9/13/2009 2:40:32 PM

So I take it you would be in support of bringing back the old style Opium Dens?


Strawmen aside, yes. Unless you don't think we are adults, unless you think the "Federal Governess" needs to hold our hands at every step?

(Those are called "Appeal to authority")

What a debater would say:

Yes, but that is a different topic alltogether. If you can show the similaritys in opium additictions to marijuana addictions you may have something. Gonna need some big lengthy sources.

Oh, and I am non-political. So the republican/democratic insults/remarks are falling on deaf ears.
 jesseld

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Posted: 9/13/2009 4:32:13 PM

Oh, and I am non-political. So the republican/democratic insults/remarks are falling on deaf ears.


Wasn't aware I had made any.

My only mention of politics was when I was accused of being a liberal, when indeed I am a Libertarian with a Centrist lean, in my party that defines my beliefs as a Utilitarian Libertarian. That in itself is a muddy situation.

As for hand holding. The citizenry of this nation have already shown many times over in the last 50 years that in the matter of mind altering substances they do indeed need their hands held. Even with that hand holding, just look at how much destruction drugs have done to this nation.
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