| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/24/2009 4:46:26 AM | There are many historic reasons for it.
Back in the early part of the 20th century, the powerful people in this country started to link using marijuana with disruptive influences (peasant rebellions!) and so they worked hard to put down smoking weed. As with many other hot issues in our society, pot gets linked in angry people's minds to other issues they are concerned with, whether there's any real relationship or not. Thus pot=hippy=anti-government=terrorist. Similarly, homosexual=weird=dangerous=threat to our entire nation.
There are also PRO marijuana people who wont listen to reason, having linked it in their own minds to their outrage against government oppression, or to the influence of powerful private industries.
Since people have linked issues together, you can't get them to consider any of these things individually any more. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/24/2009 6:47:56 AM | Fortunately, I was born late enough to benefit from the internet and break free from the propaganda.
I've given up on most people over 40, as they are just too propagandized, not just about pot either, about everything. Like in the movie the Matrix, they are so dependent on the system they will defend it to their own detriment. The alternative of waking up to the truth is simply too much of a shock to their conditioned minds.
For those younger with eyes to see and ears to hear: Marijuana wasn't called "marijuana" back in the early 1900s. Hemp, however, has been an important commodity for millenia for more a ton of reasons that simple internet research can pull up.
It wasn't until the late 30s that a machine was invented that would automate the extraction of fiber from the hemp stalk. Before then, it had to be done by hand which made it too expensive to be competitive with cotton and the newly invented petroleum fabrics (polyester). The decorticator, a state of the art hemp harvester, led Popular Mechanics to call hemp the New Billion Dollar Crop. This threatened the paper and fiber industries of William Hearst and the DuPont family.
They then proceeded to create racist propaganda denouncing the newly coined "marijuana", named so as to confuse people because most people back then knew the importance of "hemp", and wrote articles about how "marijuana" caused mexican farmers and black jazz musicians to rape white women. So to all you anti-hempsters, your opinions stem from RACISM.
The plan worked and Congress passed anti-marijuana laws with no scientific basis whatsoever- yet another example of the worthlessness and destructive behavior of government.
Read "Marijuana is Safer, So why are we driving people to Drink?" by Steve Fox. HEAVILY footnoted book that breaks down the story of pot and how it compares to a much, much more destructive drug (alcohol). The best book I've read on the subject yet. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/24/2009 7:04:53 AM | | tbuddha: That's hilarious. So because you're a certain age, you're a conformist and can't rebel. That's ultra stupid on a LOT of levels. For one, you're pretty close to 40 yourself. For another, every generation has stuff they rebel against to show how "different" they are, then grow up. The things people supposedly "think outside the box" about change but it happens to every generation. Slandering another generation because you're too narrow minded to see an opposing viewpoint on pot is dumb. Personally, I think alcohol is a LOT worse and it is hypocritical to have legal booze but illegal pot. Maybe they should BOTH be illegal. The main thing I have against pot is the smell. It's THE most offensive smell that I know of and it irritates my throat and lungs. Self righteous pot smokers, like smokers, never give two sh*ts about the harm they do to the people who are irritated by the smell or smoke, yet they're the first to whine because everyone won't see it their way. They're the "brainwashed" ones if you look at how narrow minded their viewpoints usually are. You think all the pro pot stuff isn't "propaganda" too? It is. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/24/2009 7:08:51 AM | | I always admired people who could smoke occasionally. I found myself using it everyday as it put me in a place where I felt safe. Unfortunately after a while that place became very lonely. I found myself using it as security and became very agitated when I didn't have it. I don't care if people use it, but I do know where it can put you if you use it everyday. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/24/2009 8:46:45 AM |
Spagett! on 9/24/2009 12:03:55 AM
Care to post some proof for this claim? Some would say at the very least it clouds reason...
Nice long winded post with no proof, like I said I have proof you have opinions. One is right (truth) the other is wrong (opinion).
Can't prove me wrong without proof.
Slandering another generation because you're too narrow minded to see an opposing viewpoint on pot is dumb.
But it is okay to slander an entire group of people because one is too narrow minded to see that they were lied to by propaganda. Hypocrisy is fun!
You think all the pro pot stuff isn't "propaganda" too? It is.
Are you saying that it is? Have any proof...oh wait, no you don't. Just opinions.
IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO PERSONAL PREFERENCE. The topic that is. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/24/2009 11:18:12 AM |
the petite size of female pot smokers and the mono-tone voice that comes along with it is a turn off and the smell is disgusting.
This is so true god damn let me tell you about those damn dirty hippies!!!!
I also hear that male pot smokers have small genitalia and if they smoke exactly 12 times in one day they're left arm slowly shrinks... | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/24/2009 11:22:18 AM | This is so true god damn let me tell you about those damn dirty hippies!!!!
OWEN!! Owen! Bring me a Pepsi with some ice in it!
Sorry, couldn't resist.
And you are only going to pick those two false facts?? I mean the pecker shrinker was real good, as well as how it makes us all smell gross/ugly. Wait, isn't it made from Satan's fingernails?? And it makes people super horny, and rapers!
I don't appreciate being called a raper!
Then don't rape!
What these "anti-pots" fail to realize is that it is all personal preference. Either that, or they realize and are now "moral pushing" their personal preference to the top. Either way, shady shady shady. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/24/2009 4:44:34 PM | | Spagett: You seem to have quite the one track mind. In denial much? Everything you say or read is fact but EVERYTHING said that is negative about pot is wrong. Riiiigght. Have you been a completely insensitive pompous as* your whole life? Every idiot is aware of the whole 50's anti pot crap. It's a big farce. We get it. I totally get why it's dumb that liquor is legal when pot isn't. The whole "pot is better than booze" whine has really got to stop because everyone sees that this is a fact. OLD NEWS. The thing you aren't getting is that pot irritates a lot of people. This includes me and so many people do it that I am forced to put up with it. This shows that pot smokers don't give a crap about a person's choice to not smoke up but they constantly whine about those who are insensitive to their choice to smoke. ALL foreign substances put into the body do the body harm. Tons are legal and lots are not legal. Doesn't matter. Pot smoke still harms the body. There are enough pollutants we face every day without ingesting one more if we don't want to. I don't want to. I don't smoke anything. I don't drink anything. I try to stay away from as many chemicals as possible. Why should someone have the right to force me to ingest ANY smoke if I choose not too? I'm not allowed to hold someone down and inject them with radioactive chemicals so why should people be allowed to force me to breathe smoke. Seems to me only smokers have this power. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/24/2009 5:05:57 PM |
Spagett: You seem to have quite the one track mind. In denial much? Everything you say or read is fact but EVERYTHING said that is negative about pot is wrong.
Nooooo. Everything I post with PROOF is fact. Everything posted without proof is a lie, until proven otherwise. Is it really that hard to comprehend?
Have you been a completely insensitive pompous as* your whole life?
Have you insulted people you have never met your whole life?
Every idiot is aware of the whole 50's anti pot crap. It's a big farce. We get it.
Well apparently not everyone, or you would not be responding to my posts. Because I would not have been posting.
The whole "pot is better than booze" whine has really got to stop because everyone sees that this is a fact.
I don't think I claimed once that pot was better than booze, please provide proof that I did or stop putting words into my posts.
The thing you aren't getting is that pot irritates a lot of people.
And what you aren't getting is that it also doesn't irritate a lot of people.
This includes me and so many people do it that I am forced to put up with it. This shows that pot smokers don't give a crap about a person's choice to not smoke up but they constantly whine about those who are insensitive to their choice to smoke.
What?? You are forced to put up with it? How are you forced to put up with what? I didn't make you read my posts, that was your choice.
ALL foreign substances put into the body do the body harm.
Like air?
There are enough pollutants we face every day without ingesting one more if we don't want to.
Ahhh, now I get it. You are one of those "my rights are better than yours" When you quit driving a car that pumps out more smoke than 2,000 smokers, I will care about what smoke I pump out. Hypocrisy is fun! Remember what I said about "moral pushing"?
Pot smoke still harms the body.
All smoke harms the body, prove that pot smoke harms it more. What about eating pot? I notice the anti-pots never answer that question: What about eating pot?
Why should someone have the right to force me to ingest ANY smoke if I choose not too?
I totally agree, everyone should have to STOP driving immediately!
I'm not allowed to hold someone down and inject them with radioactive chemicals so why should people be allowed to force me to breathe smoke. Seems to me only smokers have this power.
I'm not allowed to hold someone down and inject them with radioactive chemicals, so why should people be allowed to drive cars that emit smoke! Seems to me only the drivers have this power. Sheesh.
Still can't refute that it boils down to personal preference, if you don't like pot then stay away from it. Bad form calling me names and other insults, I didn't do that to you. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/24/2009 7:53:34 PM | | Spagett: Arrogant, self righteous people who don't care about the people that suffer around them deserve more than insults. You are one THICK moron. You are the very essence of BAD FORM and intolerance. Seriously. I don't remember ever forcing someone to suck on the tailpipe of my car. You're comparing apples and oranges. I could care less if pot smokers smoke away from me. It's the people living around me who smoke up so much I can't get the smell out of my place. That's when I get livid with these fools. Saying you'll stop when people stop driving cars is seriously negative thinking. What you are basically saying is "The world is full of smog anyway so who cares if I add more to the mix". I agree that people shouldn't be driving and I purposely moved 2 minutes from work and only put 2000km a year on it for just that reason. Hopefully someday we won't have to drive vehicles with combustion engines. Don't call me anti-pot either because I'm not against it anymore than cigarettes or any other drug or irritant. There is no pot cause to fight. I haven't seen ANYONE arrested for privately smoking pot. The cops seem all for it to me. Perhaps the smoking has made you a tad paranoid. I get that you're basically a kid who needs to rebel to show how great you are by going against the grain (or so you think) but you could try seeing the opposing point of view and not being such an arrogant as*hole about it. What's funny is there are just as many articles showing that pot can cause harm as those that say it doesn't. You have no proof. Studies claim good and bad. Any idiotic study or article can be wrong whether it's for or against so stop claiming there are any definite "facts". There aren't period. If you say there are you are either a liar or severly deluded. Your claims in this thread are no more fact than anyone else's opinion in here. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/24/2009 8:00:59 PM | As in all things, moderation for me.
Two GF's ago, she toked up everyday. That was alittle too much for me. I've smoked up many times in the past, but often once a week and as I get older, I feel I don't need it in my life anymore.
Also, while I'm a social drinker and smoker, but I do have my rules (no smoking in my house or in my car). | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/24/2009 8:13:05 PM | Spagett: Arrogant, self righteous people who don't care about the people that suffer around them deserve more than insults. You are one THICK moron.
Wow, just wow.
Anyways, nice insulting post with no proof to the claims. I stand by my stance to the topic (which is not insulting me) personal preference.
Your claims in this thread are no more fact than anyone else's opinion in here.
Yes they are, because they are backed by studies and science. Opinions are not.
EDIT (To Add:)
Also, check post 225. There is a source you can use for research, if you intend to do any between the insults. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/24/2009 9:18:54 PM | When they run out of facts (which is usually pretty quickly) they revert to insults. Straight out of the ultra right wingnut bible. If you can't make sense, just say it much louder 
Spagett we're casting pearls among swine here methinks.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
—Arthur Schopenhauer (German philosopher, 1788-1860) | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/25/2009 1:00:17 AM | | hey, carry on smoking pot.. that is your prerogative and i hope you find some one to put up with your illegal behaviour..hell, i hope they do it too..so you have common ground.. but either way.. i don't care what you do to your body..why should i? =) | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/25/2009 1:32:49 AM | | I tried it when I was about 17 and it just wasn't for me. I don't have a problem with those that toke now and then, to each their own. I think it should be legalized and be done with it already. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/25/2009 9:26:13 AM | 1. It's illegal
2. Those that overuse it are in bigger denial about it's bad points than drunks.
3. Many of the folks that smoke it are anti-cigarette, yet can't grasp the fact that their smoke is offensive and damaging just like that of cigarettes and cigars
4. You hold the smoke in your lungs longer and it damages them more than cigs, but you'll never get them to admit it.
5. There is more to life than staying drunk or stoned. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/25/2009 9:40:41 AM | | As I mentioned in an earlier post, serious pot smokers can't tolerate anybody or anything that disagrees with their pot usage. They will sift through hundreds of websites to find ONE article that supports them, and that one article is "fact" while all those against it are just "propoganda." Your buddy there proves my point. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/25/2009 10:03:52 AM | rickeyes - I have 3 things to say to you!
# 1 - 
#2 - , and finally:
#3 -
It's a Weed people - get over it! I harvest - yes I did use 'that' word "Harvest" .. I harvest "weeds" Every summer. They grow along the trail and sometimes right in the front garden where I live. I Harvest the leaves, let them dry and Give Them to friends who are trying to quit smoking poison. Poison? you ask.. Poison. Cigarettes - nicotene + several hundred (if not thousand) Chemicals - Cyanide, Benzene, Formaldehyde, Pesticides, Fungicides, etc etc etc. Thousands of people DIE every year from Emphysema - Directly caused by Cigarettes! Yet "Some" of those who scream "No not the Evil Weed" expect people like me (who have compromised lungs btw) to "suck it up" because it's Legal!!! F U.
And booze - how many friends have You lost to drunk drivers?? I betcha not as many as me! The first one I SAW happen - I was 13 :(
And PILLS - holimotherfrikkinbatcrap!! PILLS!!! People are getting hooked left right and center - Why?? BEcause some quack in a white coat is DEALING them to YOU to support and make rich the big pharmaceutical companies.
blahblahblah - And You're worried about weeds??? holibatcrap - take another pill !!
btw - the 'weeds' that I Harvest Every year?? are called: St.Johnswort And Mullein. The flowers of both make a nice relaxing herbal tea and the leaves can be smoked as an aid to help stop cigarette smoking - Not Only that - because there are NO chemicals/additives or poisons in the weeds I collect - there are NO ill effects - no addiction ..
So far the weeds I pick are legal. IF the government/pharmacare ever find out about them and how they can be harvested FREELY and how they are so much better for 'us' than the crap they're Pushing - they'll be makin them illegal too ..
Make too much dandelion wine and before you know it there will be fines for every one that pops up on Your lawn!
Frikkin ridiculous. Propoganda. Misinformed. Fear Mongering. Over what? = Weeds.
and I thought I couldn't add to what rickeyes said!!  | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/25/2009 10:39:43 AM | As I mentioned in an earlier post, serious pot smokers can't tolerate anybody or anything that disagrees with their pot usage. They will sift through hundreds of websites to find ONE article that supports them, and that one article is "fact" while all those against it are just "propoganda." Your buddy there proves my point.
There is a difference in my posts, rather than posts such as yours.
Mine comes with sources/facts, yours does not.
It all boils down to personal preference, why can't people accept that without having to call insults on an entire group of people? (Not that the quoted post did that, others certainly have.)
hey will sift through hundreds of websites to find ONE article that supports them
Which is more than you did, care to offer anything of substance to the debate? Or just your opinion?
Your buddy there proves my point.
Whoever this buddy is, props to them. They do research and LEARN for themselves, instead of listening to wrong opinions and false facts.
Show me how the TOPIC does not boil down to personal preference, if you are going to use any claims, back them up with proof or they are just your opinion.
EDIT (To Add:)
Also, my posts have WAY MORE than one source. Can't say that about the other side, they don't even have ONE source. Just opinions, and insults. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/25/2009 11:20:45 AM | But the problem is, it is hurting other people.
Kids are getting killed over a $4 dollar drug bill.
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v99.n971.a01.html
People are smoking pot and running over 6 kids picking up trash along side the road.
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00.n411.a06.html
Five killed here. Driver admits to smoking pot before fatal accident.
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v99.n873.a09.html
• Conrail train accident killed 16 and injured 107 when the engineer was under the influence of marijuana, disregarded several warning signs and rear-ended a passenger train.1
• The National Transportation and Safety Board study of 182 truck accidents causing death found 12.8% of the drivers were under the influence of marijuana and 12.5% were under the influence of alcohol. This percentage is startling since ten times more people drink alcohol than smoke marijuana.17
• A California truck driver, under the influence of marijuana, plowed into a highway cleaning crew killing five and injuring fourteen.18
• The driver of a charter bus, who crashed and killed twenty-two people, had been fired from bus companies in 1989 and 1996 because he tested positive for marijuana four times. A federal investigator confirmed a report that the driver “tested positive for marijuana when he was hospitalized Sunday after the bus veered off a highway and plunged into an embankment.”19
All of these are referenced in this document http://www.9news.com/advertorial/daniels/05/docs/The%20Truth%20about%20Marijuana-FINAL.doc
What a terrible way to end a career for a Nevada Highway Patrol Officer with 22 years on the job. Killed one fatally.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/25610594.html
Mother kills 8 wrongway driving in New York.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regional/police_wrong_crash_driver_was_drunk_xJ6nvWyd77U9AbZKejKlbM
Two tots die after father forgets them in car and bakes them to death.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32604722/
Kidnappings in Phoenix are way up over drug turf wars.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/latinamerica/la-na-drug-kidnappings12-2009feb12,0,544773.story
36 bodies and nearly two tons.
http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=69350
I am still under the position that doing anything that impairs the driving of a two thousand pound bullet is and should be illegal. I don't care if that is green M&M's, cellphones, pot, alcohol....I really don't care. I might waiver on prosecuting the green M&M's and the cell phone users but the others are just not going to cut it.
Finally how much pot or little in terms of joints or oz's, does one have to smoke in order to test positive at the rate of 2 nanograms per milliliter? Nevada law that is why I am asking. I must admit I was never good at figuring out this type of thing or the rules or whatever they use to come to the conclusions that they do.
I hereby relinquish my soapbox. | |
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| Strong opinions on pot smoking here and abouts; why?
Posted: 9/25/2009 11:32:20 AM |
...I hereby relinquish my soapbox.
Those are GREAT reasons to REGULATE pot usage. Look what is happening now! The government needs to step in and stop this stuff from happening!
Since keeping it illegal just seems to make those stats increase each year, perhaps they should put down the tired 'false claims' and legalize/tax/regulate it.
And like the other poster said, same EXACT thing happens with booze, and that IS legal. So if that is your defence, then pot should be legal too. Since making booze illegal will do nothing, look at what it is doing for pot related accidents!
Also, none of those sources refute my claims. Still boils down to personal preference, that must burn more than a cherry! | |
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