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Posted: 9/22/2009 5:23:52 PM | \\he alludes to the fact that he thinks he should be taxed more because of his income\\
Hey last time I looked America is still the land of the free....
Nothing stopping Moore getting his cheque book out and making a cheque payable to the IRS....
I'm sure Obama will be greatful....  | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 7:07:50 AM | I hope that the film sets a fire under this lazy brained populace.
I tried to talk about the economic problems with a co worker, and she told me, "Oh, I can't think about these things. I have too much on my mind. I have to take care of me and my family. I can't bring negativity into my spirit."
Negativity?
This is EXACTLY the sort of attitude that allows the big moneymen to rape the country.
The other thing that bugs me is the silliness of the left wing partisans, and how they interpret all protest as some sign that Obama is going to be assassinated.
I'll tell you something....the fringe elements on both sides are smarter than the average partisan. The average partisan spouts a few talking points, then goes to sleep for eight hours. At least the fringe is stirring things up.
Say what you want about Moore, he gets people to think. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 7:19:17 AM | Answer #1 because there are some of us that love our country so much we want to make it better. Kinda the same reasoning that if you have a child and it does something wrong, you scold them and explain to them the correct path - you don't just abandon them on the side of the road.
Answer #2 because it's illegal for Americans to go to Cuba for health care
well i thought maybe you would also show your child love also, he sure doesnt do that.iam not saying that there isnt things wrong with our country, iam just saying i also see the good in it, and i dont see that in his movies. also i have 2 freinds that left cuba, they say the picture that moore shows is nothing what its like in real life, again just telling you what someone that has first hand account told me. iam sure if u had money ciba would take you for health care, but we dont know because nobody does that, they came here for healthcare we dont go there, again wonder why that is? | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 9:23:03 AM | | Bowling For Columbine was my first exposure to Michael Moore, I was really interested in what he had to say. The movie left me wondering why the hell he was so bent on pushing his own agenda, bending lies & truth to his whims in a fashion that would even make Spin leader Bill O'Reilly blush, and yet never answer any of the questions that would maybe have shed some light on why America may have more murders and accidents with guns than other countries with large gun ownership. He just harasses people, edits with glee and forces his opinions without a lick of care for common honesty. I don't care to see his movies because of his abusive bias and lack of ability to see any side but his own. I was hoping he was going to make a difference, but all he is, is another editorialist with no more ethics than a Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh. Bowling For Columbine was an insult to those who lost their lives that day. Michael Moore is nothing but a Spin Doctor, just like the rest of his ilk. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 4:39:34 PM | You know....I agree with your assessment.
However, if Moore didn't do it that way, it wouldn't sell.
If Beck wasn't extreme, it wouldn't sell.
Obviously, the most extreme partisans are always the dumbest of all.
BUT, they do get people's attention and stir debate. That's why they do what they do.
If these guys were middle of the road who would listen?
The average person does not have the patience or the intellect to dive into an issue and read every book written on the subject. People don't have the time for that.
They wanna be infotained. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 5:03:32 PM | Some say that he lies in his movies, that he makes stuff up. Well, after fahrenheit 911 he challenged his detractors by offering a $10,000 reward to anyone who could show 1 lie in the film. Nobody ever collected.
I'd like to see Sean Hannity or Beck make that same offer. I could use $10,000. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 8:33:52 PM |
Some say that he lies in his movies, that he makes stuff up. Well, after fahrenheit 911 he challenged his detractors by offering a $10,000 reward to anyone who could show 1 lie in the film. Nobody ever collected.
Maybe because two or three books (and a rebuttal documentary film) were written that showed the lies in that movie, people figured someone already collected. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 9:01:47 PM |
Maybe because two or three books (and a rebuttal documentary film) were written that showed the lies in that movie, people figured someone already collected.
The two are not mutually exclusive. Logic is fun! | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 10:57:26 PM | I hope that the film sets a fire under this lazy brained populace.
Not likely to happen... At least immediately... And if there's a hidden question here, the rest of your narrative provides the answer:
I tried to talk about the economic problems with a co worker, and she told me, "Oh, I can't think about these things. I have too much on my mind. I have to take care of me and my family. I can't bring negativity into my spirit."
Yeah... That's the spirit... The spirit of false hopes and a misdirected instinct for self preservation...
We've been marginalized and disenfranchised and purposely divided through consumerism, religion, sex and TV to the point where most of the populace wouldn't know whether to shit or go blind in response to the real politics controlling their lives... If they could even begin to handle that particular brand of truth...
But this is no accident... This was planned....
The good news?...
At least the fringe is stirring things up.
Right on... I may be on the lunatic perimeter of this fringe, but at least I'm there...
At this juncture, it might lead either way... An internment camp; or Nirvana...
Say what you want about Moore, he gets people to think ...
My personal criticism of certain aspects of Moore's work is purely subjective... I'm aware of that; and we need not all be in agreement over petty details...
Doesn't mean I don't love him... To me, he's family in a struggle for a desperately needed wake-up call...
As far as getting people to think?... Well... That's the real challenge, isn't it? | |
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Posted: 9/24/2009 10:20:32 AM |
As far as getting people to think?... Well... That's the real challenge, isn't it?
I was thinking about the strategy of "Divide and Conquer" or "Divide and Rule" yesterday and how it has been used throughout time to keep the poor poor and the elite elite. I realized that there were many things done that accomplished those goals.
It is that very strategy that has made the capitalists wealthier while the rest of us continue to slide downhill into the depths of debt.
George W. Bush was actually a great strategist and pushed the division farther and quicker than most others have all while creating an illusion of bringing the nation together with the 9-11 event.
This is just some of the things that have been used to create division between people so that hidden political agendas could be pushed through:
religious differences
racism
political parties
women's lib
patriotism
school pride
pro this and anti that
competitiveness
People spend so much time fighting over their differences that they have no time left between trying to scratch out a living and spending time blaming someone else for their troubles. Where is there any time left for realizing the "Big Picture"?
I'm not a writer but perhaps someone else understands what I am attempting to explain. | |
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Posted: 9/24/2009 1:05:08 PM |
George W. Bush was actually a great strategist and pushed the division farther and quicker than most others have all while creating an illusion of bringing the nation together with the 9-11 event.
Well... that's the essence of the problem, isn't it?... Most of us are charmed and mesmerized by the grand illusionists; the master prestidigitators... Accepting the performance as truth...
While those of us assigned to the fringe, we who comprise only a portion of the audience, are perfectly aware we're witnessing a clever yet deadly magic show... | |
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Posted: 9/24/2009 1:30:23 PM | Where can i watch this online for free?
Yea!! **** Capitalism!! You Whores!! | |
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Posted: 9/24/2009 4:47:56 PM | You clearly hit on a point I was trying to make in another thread....the divide and conquer thing. That's what partisanship does.
Besides that, it blinds people to what is actually going on.... | |
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Posted: 9/24/2009 7:06:19 PM | Just read a great interview in The Nation (online) Naomi Klein talking to Michael Moore.
Moore basically echoes what I have been saying here, that Obama has probably made some very bad decisions in hiring Rubin, Summers, Geitner, Bernanke, etc., and that he's done nothing to rein in Wall St.
Moore says that well, maybe Obama hopes that the guys who caused the mess will know how to fix it.
Haha.
Klein says that they're there to continue stealing, and I think that she understands the process all too well. | |
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Posted: 9/26/2009 9:07:56 PM | | I've loved all of Moore's films, but I think they are stronger when he lets his subjects speak for themselves and keeps behind the camera. | |
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Posted: 9/26/2009 10:15:05 PM | Yes capitalism is bad. It freed the slaves, it freed Europe from Fascism, it made the U.S. the number one superpower and leads to freedom. I hope Michael Moore has given all of his money to charity, otherwise that would make him a hypocrite.
I am beginning to think we are living on the planet of the apes ruled by the media monkeys. | |
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Posted: 9/27/2009 1:28:12 PM | Moore goofed up on the title, but he's a socialist and that's his agenda. He's not an economist, so he cannot articulate what happened in terms of actually breaking it down, so he attacks capitalism in general.
Even so, I have hope that the film will get people pissed off enough that Washington will be forced to do something about Wall St. and the Fed. | |
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Posted: 9/27/2009 3:04:38 PM | I doin't believe there's a law against any individual contributing excess income to the United States government if that is their desire,
Whenever I see Moore and his ragged-appearing spots on talk shows promoting whichever film he's finished most recently, I always wondered how he was doing personally. Reason was because although he dresses and appears like "just a middle class guy", something about him seems faked. I've seen him in a tux and he looks much more relaxed and at home in one of those. So who is he really? Just another actor/opportunist?
Most of his films since "Roger and Me" appear to be Moore-formulaic. He just applies the same formula to the issues of the day, then reaps the predictable rewards. It's not as if he's doing it out of the goodness of his heart. Michael Moore certainly doesn't starve.
I'd love to know if he reveals anything that isn't already patently obvious or earth-shattering that no one would have known had it not been for him in this film. If not, then all it's doing is separating more people from more of their money during the worst economic downturn in a century. Maybe he'll be fatter by the next release.
Oh...About the title...It's unfortunate that the title doesn't target the real culprit, yet interesting to see that Moore uses it anyway, erroneously. That only blurs the issue of who's really responsible and encourages the attack of capitalism as a whole. But then maybe the primary audience the film is aimed at can't make that distinction on their own anyway so perhaps it makes no difference. | |
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Posted: 9/27/2009 4:02:07 PM | Micheal was on Larry King the other night - great interview! The movie hasn't opened in wide release yet (Oct. 2nd) but the movie did open in L.A. and New York and has already beat the opening numbers for Slumdog Millionaire and Sicko.
I predict next weekend it'll be #1 at the box office. Go Michael! | |
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Posted: 9/27/2009 4:15:40 PM | | i'm looking forward to it. although i don't find it $11 worthy at the theater. its a rental/download | |
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Posted: 9/28/2009 5:31:27 PM | I predicted that this would cause some heat, and it is already, and it hasn't even opened wide yet.
I'm seeing posts elsewhere for people who wanna revolution.
Some say that the elite is just itching for an uprising as an excuse to declare martial law.
I'm wearing my tinfoil hat...but I don't want a revolution.
I just want my country to be taken back from the bankers.
I wanna see indictments and perp walks.
I wanna see bankers hanging from their thumbs.
I want a country that punishes wrongdoing.
Is that too much to ask? | |
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Posted: 9/28/2009 5:49:47 PM | | funny that huh. Documentaries and outcries have been made in the past and only now are people taking notice/thinking about it? | |
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Posted: 9/29/2009 10:10:21 PM | | Maybe folks are starting to realize "Hey, if a fat guy from Michigan can make a difference why can't I?" | |
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Posted: 9/29/2009 10:25:26 PM | Michael Moore, at his most insightful, produces for the intellectual lightweight. While I, a solid supporter of capitalism, am very much against the bailouts and the dirty connections between Wall Street, the Federal Reserve and Washington D.C., you wouldn't think so by looking at the title. Michael Moore builds up strawman - that is, the "corporate welfare" actions being taken in the US recently. He draws the connection of corporations to capitalism - enough people don't know the distinction or understand the scope, so the strawman works. He calls something "capitalism", finds its faults, then uses it to push his agenda.
Ironically, the socialism he would have the US adopt is precisely what model of economics he's labeled as "capitalism" and attacks. He's making an appeal of emotion to argue against one type of socialism for another. He calls one capitalism and because enough people are ignorant to economics, they fall for it. Anything with corporations must surely be capitalism, right? | |
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