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| This is how I lost my job folks, what do you think?
Posted: 9/14/2009 11:51:25 PM | I would get closure as one poster said as the place sounds 'slippery'
Demand in writing (nicely) the reason for termination and then after you have it in writing. Then you can have the luxury of shopping it around as wrongful termination or not.
If they won't give you a reason then call someone as you have many avenues open to you being African American. NAACP!
To me the thing sounds like an Orange county Mommy who is raising another spoiled spineless tyrant. Who someday may get knocked out or at least a fat-lip or two. But that is just from your side of it.
Did you touch him? I have a friend that lives by the park and he trades stocks ( a real white boy geek) Looks normal like any average person well he gets the Police pounding on his door because he was using his Blackberry in the park emailing (which he owns a house adjacent too. The Police demanded to see the pictures in his Black berry... there were none--- as he does not use the camera. But the Mommies had it in their head he was a 'stranger danger'.
Geez--- I feel for you, if you got profiled for showing a kid how to do a proper push- up/ | |
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| This is how I lost my job folks, what do you think?
Posted: 9/15/2009 12:15:20 AM | For what it's worth I agree OP that it was totally wrong you were sacked from your second job. It appears the actions of a megalomaniacal overbearing parent won the day. Likely the kid is that way cos of her mollycoddling and disrespect of the 'authority' of other adults. Kids that know they can get away with shit with other adults with the parent the only source of harsher discipline doesn't bode well, they're getting mixed signals and lose respect for others they perceive to have no power over their behaviour.
I agree that the camp's way of dealing with uruly kids, write-ups and reports, is a poor effort, frustrating you to find alternatives in a workplace intolerant and unforgiving of attempts at workable solutions, nevermind the intent behind it, which is all but ignored. Without adhering to black and white rules (sorry, pun unintended), personal judgement calls can stir up a hornets nest of wildly differing opinions. I know we have different ideas but for argument's sake, what would of happened if you took a slightly different more tolerable approach, I wonder. Not talking about appeasing the rule advocates.
The camp needs to examine their methods. Kids/parents are a tricky area so disciplining must be followed very strictly. You are perhaps presumptious that a parent hasn't tried, I don't think problem kids can just change overnight.
Generally speaking, whatever it entails, it's plain that discipline should never be used to abuse or humiliate. Start a camp of your own and trial this 3-pronged process, to be set down in writing, subject to change with due notice to parents... lol : -
#1 suitable punishment (appropriate to the circumstances/situation) - each method must be clearly defined in writing to stamp out any misunderstandings
#2 reinforcement - the child to acknowledge the infraction and to understand it
#3 encouragement and praise - to ensure punishement is focused only on the infraction while still highlighting them as a worthwhile individual, bringing them back into the fold hopefully making them strive for better
Again, this process wouldn't happen overnight, if at all, but hey at least I tried for an alternative.
I've taken pointers from the UK Supernanny.. who must have been inspired by obedience school for our 4-legged friends!
I think it is in your best interest to try to put it behind you instead of stewing over it and polling strangers for opinions.
Disagree. It's a topic that NEEDS to be discussed, in this case, to highlight perceived deficiencies in the workplace. If you think strangers shouldn't be polled for opinions, then why did you feel the need to give yours instead of leaving it at that statement?
He had a right to discipline the child.
It is parents like you that are the problem. Attacking a parent with an opinion on the thread doesn't change that.
Likewise promoting an opinion, addressing another's stance as a parent, as an attack makes it no less an opinion, serving to derail it's contribution as part of a comprehensive discussion. Wording it different to protect precious egos doesn't detract from it's original meaning. More mollycoddling. PC gone mad.
I'm sure you were harboring ill feelings towards both the parent and possibly the child that, in your opinion, caused you to lose your first job.
You're suggesting he exacted punishment out of malice, his response being evidence of his guilt, thereby misappropriating judgement on the punishment itself.
Possibly, they felt uncomfortable. I'm not saying they should have or that you should have lost your second job for that.
You were "sure" of the OP harboring ill feelings earlier but you have no opinion either way here. To not back up that statement on the back of your previous assertion implies you're not in disagreement with their actions but give subliminal support to it.
BUT...the people that hired you and keep busy during their work day with the management of this camp and fitness center or whatever are now having to deal with a parent AGAIN as a result of your behavior.
That in and of itself is their problem, not his.
Whether the parent was justified, it was right or wrong doesn't matter. Your behavior caused the whole "snowball" to begin rolling down hill and growing in size.
Ridiculous. Since when did the behaviour of talking become an indictable offence?
Again...your employer made a choice to do damage control and wash their hands of the WHOLE situation. They could have asked the child to no longer receive services which, I'm sure, would have brought down a wrath they would be dealing with in perpetuity. Or simply let you go and bring peace and harmoy back to camp.
What did you expect them to do?
Sorry I find that another ridiculous statement. You're defending an indefensible action. To be ruled by monetary gain at the expense of character is NOT good role model material to kids. I think the OP has just cause to pursue the second sacking if only to make a meathead out of his former boss - the parent and kid are a bonus.
Your former boss probably offered the other job possibilities as she felf bad for your losses and didn't know of any other open positions. Their are guys my age...where I live...delivering pizza with their BS degree. Our economy has forced us to get passed pride to keep the wheels turning. Don't be offended by this gesture...it wasn't demeaning or racial.
I think the OP would have a better handle of his boss than anyone else here. If the OP feels it was a putdown, it's very possible but objectivity is required. It may just have been insensitive stupidity. Presumably it's akin to being told he can find work at McDonalds - after already firing him a SECOND time without an identifiable let alone just cause.
Edit: You can sue anyone for anything...but with "at will" employment...the employer doesn't need a reason. In this case...we know of "reasons" and don't get to hear the employers side of the story.
I thought you already gave it, one could mistake(?) you as the employer's representative.
FACT...The boss is NOT always right.........but, the boss is ALWAYS the boss.
Illogical support of the employer once more.
JMO | |
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| This is how I lost my job folks, what do you think?
Posted: 9/15/2009 4:35:35 AM |
I'm sure you were harboring ill feelings towards both the parent and possibly the child that, in your opinion, caused you to lose your first job. You're suggesting he exacted punishment out of malice, his response being evidence of his guilt, thereby misappropriating judgement from the punishment itself.
Correction to post. | |
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| This is how I lost my job folks, what do you think?
Posted: 9/15/2009 5:11:16 AM |
You're suggesting he exacted punishment out of malice, his response being evidence of his guilt, thereby misappropriating judgement on the punishment itself.
No...I'm suggesting that, after being dismissed as a result of their protest from the first job, there may have been spill over in his dealings with them on the other job.
You were "sure" of the OP harboring ill feelings earlier but you have no opinion either way here. To not back up that statement on the back of your previous assertion implies you're not in disagreement with their actions but give subliminal support to it.
I'm not "sure" of anything. I don't believe I have the whole story here. I don't disagree with them at all...on the first job. He'd been there for three years and knew the rules. He broke them and caused problems for them with parents and possilby exposed them to liability.
That in and of itself is their problem, not his.
Yes it WAS their problem. But not any more.....they solved it. But I'd dissagree that it wasn't "his" problem. Case in point.
Ridiculous. Since when did the behaviour of talking become an indictable offence?
Well...I'm a "read between the lines" kinda guy. And I imagined him "talking" to the other campers pointing out the person responsible for his first job loss. At any rate, there would have been no "snowball" if he had followed the rules clear to him (by his own admition) at his first job.
Sorry I find that another ridiculous statement. You're defending an indefensible action. To be ruled by monetary gain at the expense of character is NOT good role model material to kids. I think the OP has just cause to pursue the second sacking if only to make a meathead out of his former boss - the parent and kid are a bonus.
I find your statements here ridiculous. You're suggesting that the employer should stand by an employee that broke the rules possibly to the extent of lost income and possible threat of litigation. Then you laughably suggest that he pursue recourse against his employer, parent and child with no leg to stand on. He was let go from the first job for "cause"...that being breaking policy and from the second job for "no formal cause". There is no recourse for this with "at will" employment.
Illogical support of the employer once more.
WRONG. It is a FACT of life. My statement ("the boss is NOT always right....but, the boss is ALWAYS the boss") is a lesson I had to learn many years ago the "hard way" as did the OP.
You might think that my whole post pointed fingers at the OP and share a kinship with his employers. You'd be wrong but what more could I expect as you posted after "closing time". So let me sum my posts and opinion on this whole subject for you.
The OP bit the hands of those that feed the people that fed him. No employee is going to thrive in the workplace if they do not perform to the standards of the client and/or employer. | |
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| This is how I lost my job folks, what do you think?
Posted: 9/15/2009 5:15:17 AM | Thats why I don't like working with kids. I dicipline my own and thats good enough for me. These folks that "rescue" their problem kids will pay in spades once the brats are old enough to do some real damage.
I've seen this over and over again.
Move on and find a real job dude...  | |
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| This is how I lost my job folks, what do you think?
Posted: 9/15/2009 1:17:57 PM | Your decision to abandon the protocol, replacing that discipline with your own, was a mistake in terms of the parameters of your job. You acted outside the established rules. When it comes to kids and parents, companies that have responsibilities for kids will tend to value highly the trust of the parents. The push-ups were not torture, of course, but in a sense that stepping beyond your designated authority represents a breech of trust You may know what you would and wouldn't do, but having shown you will grant yourself unapproved authority to impose your own judgment in this area you become an unknown quantity or loose canon. It's enough for them to know that they can't know what you might decide to do. That's the larger issue so whether it was push-ups or walking the plank is only the form it happened to take.
agreed.
and...
You took it upon yourself to discipline a child that you had no right to... as a parent, I'm the sole disciplinary figure for my children. I absolutely insist on the school contacting me prior to meting out a punishment to ensure that it follows my standards.
If a teacher or principal administered discipline to my child in a manner that set them out from the crowd, I would be livid and yes, I would complain to the high heavens. Then if I was told that a verbal reprimand was the only ramification, I would clearly explain how dissatisified with the system I am...
agreed again.
policies and protocols regarding appropriate methods of discipline exist for a reason. crossing boundaries, particularly in the field of childcare, have serious repercussions. the moment you chose to operate beyond established processes, you put your own job on the line, placed your professional reputation in jeopardy, and became a liability to your employer.
one can argue that making a child do push-ups is not abusive, but it *is* humiliating--particularly if there were others present to witness the punishment.
as for the dismissal, there is not enough information to fairly examine whether or not it was wrongful. we don't know if there were any previous warnings (verbal or written) given by the employer, or attempts to correct OP as an employee. we don't know what the values and mission of said organization are, and if they exist, how far OP's behavior may have strayed from the agency's mandated decorum. we don't know if OP was a seasonal employee, working only during summer camp, and attending school through the year. (in this event...OP likely doesn't have a leg to stand on; the employing agency may have hired him under seasonal contract, meaning that he would have to pass the employer's standard probationary period--usually six months--*each summer* that he resumed his position. if this is the case, the employer can *legally* terminate employment at any time within the probationary period.)
these are important factors to consider, especially if the employer is a non-profit or charitable society. negligence of this nature can do serious damage to a non-profit agency, particularly if the parent decides to take more serious action against the employee--which, in effect, becomes action against the agency itself, being that the employee is their liability.
i could go on.
there is far too much beneath the surface issue to get into w/out more details.
in sum, OP, you made a judgment call in the heat of the moment that was inappropriate. it is unfortunate that you had to learn the hard way. | |
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| This is how I lost my job folks, what do you think?
Posted: 9/15/2009 7:00:57 PM |
No...I'm suggesting that, after being dismissed as a result of their protest from the first job, there may have been spill over in his dealings with them on the other job.
You only referred to their discomfort, based on the parent seeing him on her way to pick up the kid, but now suggest an interaction on the second job. There is no evidence of this. I stick to my original statement, it doesn't deflect from your inference of malice that "caused you to lose your first job".
I'm not "sure" of anything. I don't believe I have the whole story here.
"I'm sure you were harboring ill feelings towards both the parent and possibly the child". Your words. Not only that, you lay claim to knowing the OP possessed these feelings via "in your opinion".
I don't disagree with them at all...on the first job. He'd been there for three years and knew the rules. He broke them and caused problems for them with parents and possilby exposed them to liability.
Your post was based on the premise of the OP's second job, your post entitled with a quote from the OP:
But, to lose my second job for just interacting with my former campers and a parent to complain again, now I felt that it was unfair and I was not allowed to explain my side.
I reiterate, you don't disagree with their actions on this job.
Yes it WAS their problem. But not any more.....they solved it. But I'd dissagree that it wasn't "his" problem. Case in point.
True, it became his problem when they made it thus.
Well...I'm a "read between the lines" kinda guy. And I imagined him "talking" to the other campers pointing out the person responsible for his first job loss.
No investigation. No evidence. No defense. Unless paranoia is on par with insanity, in the legal sense anyway lol.
At any rate, there would have been no "snowball" if he had followed the rules clear to him (by his own admition) at his first job.
FACT - there should have been no snowball to begin with. It was erroneously instigated, likely by a vengeful parent, not helped at all by a kowtowing boss. Losing his first job IS punishment. The second is double jeopardy. Crimimals are treated better. The parent needs to grow a pair and deal with it. And the kid needs to learn from it.
I find your statements here ridiculous. You're suggesting that the employer should stand by an employee that broke the rules possibly to the extent of lost income and possible threat of litigation.
Again, you and the employer are guilty of double jeopardy. Or maybe you're using the first job..again..to leverage your argument.
Then you laughably suggest that he pursue recourse against his employer, parent and child with no leg to stand on. He was let go from the first job for "cause"...that being breaking policy and from the second job for "no formal cause". There is no recourse for this with "at will" employment.
I forgive your mistake, understandable. I was supporting the OP's moral right to challenge the decision irrespective of legalities. I took a position on it, you didn't. As someone else suggested, I'm sure a local TV crew could do with a juicy story.
The OP bit the hands of those that feed the people that fed him. No employee is going to thrive in the workplace if they do not perform to the standards of the client and/or employer.
And I was merely commenting on how below standard their workplace is. To sum up and to repeat with your words....
He was let go......and from the second job for "no formal cause". | |
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| This is how I lost my job folks, what do you think?
Posted: 9/15/2009 7:41:41 PM |
You only referred to their discomfort, based on the parent seeing him on her way to pick up the kid, but now suggest an interaction on the second job.
That is because she WAS picking the kid up from the second job...as I recall. He worked and he attended both.
you lay claim to knowing the OP possessed these feelings via "in your opinion".
I said "I'm sure he was harboring ill feelings"....wouldn't you if they caused your dismissal?
you don't disagree with their actions on this job.
You are right...nor did I agree...nor did we get many of the facts with the second job.
No investigation. No evidence. No defense.
Well...I tried...but even the OP has far less vested feelings on this than you do.
Again, you and the employer are guilty of double jeopardy. Or maybe you're using the first job..again..to leverage your argument.
I'm not guilty of anything. I'm stating facts...and that is...you don't need a reason to fire someone from either job...but they had one for the first.
FACT - there should have been no snowball to begin with. It was erroneously instigated, likely by a vengeful parent, not helped at all by a kowtowing boss
FACT...in the case of the first job...he admitted to breaking policy...what kind of investigating is needed?
I forgive your mistake, understandable. I was supporting the OP's moral right to challenge the decision irrespective of legalities. I took a position on it, you didn't
But I did take a position...many times...you don't need a reason to fire someone and in the case of the first job...they had one.
Bottom line here is that the OP has not clarified anything so you and I are both speculating.
What I do know...for a fact...that when it comes to working with children, elderly, adults and children with dissabilities...there are VERY strict policies set in place for their protection, as well as the agencies protection set by State, Federal and provider agencies. They are not ambiguous...nor debateable.
They most likely didn't have a choice.
And don't try to argue with me that they (the policies) are probably ridiculously scewed to the point of impotency. Because I would likely agree with you.
And what fun would that be. | |
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| This is how I lost my job folks, what do you think?
Posted: 9/15/2009 7:46:59 PM | i want to add a little more to my previous post since so many people are writing books to the OP who desperately need real answers.
so far, there has been two lay offs for me in the last 4 years and i was a dedicated, punctual and easygoing worker. both were female who called themselves christians but were evil. my professor told us the other day that several of his cousins who have masters degrees are unemployed in los angeles .
if you go back to your former employer for a termation letter, you need to bring somone with you as a witness. have you filed your unemployment yet? have you been on your job at least six months? if not, you might not qualify for uib. a previous poster made the comment that you need to get a real job? like what ? rob a bank, be an escort to a cougar, or steal cars? i thought that was so insulting to this man who have been FIred from his job working with kids and health club.
i have never heard of a boss discussing what form of punishment with the customer or consumer that complained? that is confidential and is not to be shared with the complainant. i know when i complain on salesgirls, customer svc folks to their supvs., they would tell me they cannot discuss what they will do to that particular employee.
the only discrimination cases that are being heard or should i say winning are homosexual cases in the workplace but not race, age, and even religion. a good friend who is black male minister told us in my sociology class that he was promoted to supv, at his job and then fired in less than a month because a white female homosexual (male looking) wanting his job and overheard some guys telling him a joke (sexual). so , she ran to the head huncho and told him what she overheard and he was let go without any discussion, reprimand, etc . then she was promoted to his job and he would hear her make racist comments about blacks , hispanics and asians. the director didn't want to hear about that. | |
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| This is how I lost my job folks, what do you think?
Posted: 9/15/2009 7:56:33 PM |
I am focusing on pursuing other ventures out their and closing this chapter and learning from this experience.
Good for you!
I think it's always best to acknowledge your mistakes, learn from them and move on like you're doing.
Also, if the only jobs out there are at the burger joint or Panera, do not be too proud to take any of those jobs while you work on your other plans.
Best wishes for the future!
Bandie | |
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| This is how I lost my job folks, what do you think?
Posted: 9/15/2009 9:32:31 PM |
That is because she WAS picking the kid up from the second job...as I recall.
She was picking him up from camp not from attendance at his second job.
I said "I'm sure he was harboring ill feelings"....wouldn't you if they caused your dismissal?
I think you have that in reverse. You originally said in the same breath that the "ill feelings" caused the loss of his first job, now you've backflipped saying the loss of the job caused those feelings. I must be missing something here.
Well...I tried...but even the OP has far less vested feelings on this than you do.
Well..if ethics is a vested feeling, yeah then let's bring it on! 
I'm not guilty of anything. I'm stating facts...and that is...you don't need a reason to fire someone from either job...but they had one for the first.
And I'm giving a discourse on ethics. Man I sound so up myself lol.
FACT...in the case of the first job...he admitted to breaking policy...what kind of investigating is needed?
You insist on connecting the two jobs to shore up your defence. I've been concentrating on the second one as this became the OP's primary concern. Wasn't it you that just said you neither agree or disagree cos:
nor did we get many of the facts with the second job.
Yet you conclude that the offence in his first capacity as counselor in effect warranted double punishment leading to termination from the second job..with lack of recourse on the second matter is trivial, nevermind it cost him ANOTHER job.
But I did take a position...many times...you don't need a reason to fire someone and in the case of the first job...they had one.
That's not taking a position, it's letting facts speak, leaving you with no voice. You offered no personal opinion in relation to the second job. So I rely on your implications.
Bottom line here is that the OP has not clarified anything so you and I are both speculating.
Your speculation already decided his fate, what's the point of further clarification. | |
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| This is how I lost my job folks, what do you think?
Posted: 9/15/2009 9:40:39 PM |
Your speculation already decided his fate, what's the point of further clarification. Actually, his employer decided his fate. Any speculation you've seen on this thread is from a poster (a stranger to the entire affair.) You've gotten yourself so twisted around that you're saying things that don't make any sense in a seemingly fruitless effort to correct another poster. Weird.
The OP presented himself well and he has the maturity to take responsibility for himself and move on. It is interesting that others have not. | |
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| This is how I lost my job folks, what do you think?
Posted: 9/15/2009 9:47:48 PM | My drafting teacher made us do pushups...and the health teacher(who was also the football coach) made us run laps for misbehavior.
I think it's a great idea, because the kids today are so out of shape and lazy anyway. | |
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| This is how I lost my job folks, what do you think?
Posted: 9/15/2009 10:10:22 PM |
Actually, his employer decided his fate. Any speculation you've seen on this thread is from a poster (a stranger to the entire affair.) You've gotten yourself so twisted around that you're saying things that don't make any sense in a seemingly fruitless effort to correct another poster. Weird.
Why thanks for the compliment
We are ALL strangers to this whole affair, other than the original poster.
I have not disagreed entirely with this other poster. He made some very valid points in a couple of his earlier posts.
Just because the OP might have no further interest in this bookish discourse doesn't mean the leftover transients can't debate.
I could say it's weird someone doesn't understand what a Forum is about but I'll refrain.
Plus I won't bother with further explanations to you seeing as you find it too hard to comprehend my posts. See I can move on  | |
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| This is how I lost my job folks, what do you think?
Posted: 9/16/2009 9:00:09 AM | isnuttinfree here is my theory.
I may be wrong but I had to guess as the OP has not exactly answered all the questions and I’ve had to try to “fill in the blanks”. Hopefully he will come back to let us know how far off I am.
I believe there was only ONE job. The OP happen to be wearing “two hats”. Kind of like working at a hospital…in the kitchen…and then decides he wants to be an orderly too because he is a hard worker…they like him and he needs the money. He may have been getting two checks as the company may keep the financials separate on the camp and the fitness center. But still ONE employment situation….one company (boss) with possibly more than one supervisor.
He makes a mistake. But not like forgetting to turn the lights out at the fitness center…but rather, he breaks policy with a child bringing down the wrath of a parent. His employer and/or supervisor decides to defuse the situation by removing him from his duties as a counselor. Thus, salvaging the employee/employer relationship for mutual benefit. He would have been better advised to stay the hell away from the camp, that parent and child at least until the dust had settled. All is good.
But he didn’t stay away from there. Then, the parent see’s him hanging out at the very place she was told he was removed from (possibly in defiance to the parent) visiting with other children (maybe give her a cold look…maybe not…but clearly she is still upset) and she marches back into the office and complains again possibly reminding them of the action she still has the option to exercise. (I always maintained that his “ill feelings” could have come into play in the loss of his second job/hat. If that was unclear in one of my postings….my bad).
Now the employer has to make a decision as to what is in the best interest of their concern. The one they made was to completely separate themselves from the employee to avoid the liability/litigation issue.
So…I would ask the OP if this was his employment situation. Working for one company that had different divisions of labor….counselors, lifeguards, kitchen help, fitness center all located in the same general area? One or two checks…although I maintain that that would not define it as separate as each area could be accountable financially.
I am also wondering why your issue has become so focused on my postings as they mirror those of others.
Perhaps you think I have no empathy for the OP....I do. I don't believe (but have no personal knowledge) that he acted maliciously or with the intent to harm or cause trouble.
Possibly, he felt it was in the child’s best interest.
When I’m in the supermarket…sometimes I’d like to have a “private audience” with a child misbehaving. But that would be crossing the line. | |
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| This is how I lost my job folks, what do you think?
Posted: 9/16/2009 4:54:23 PM | | and this is why,america is the way it is right now! because parents now a days give their annoying kids timeouts and shit like that instead of pulling out the belt and putting some fear into them,let them know that their behavior is not acceptable! back in the day,this guy wouldnt have had this problem,but because kids today are being brought up to be a bunch of pu*****,this guy gets canned,thats bull! he made him do a freaking push-up for crying outloud! its not like he put him over his lap and spanked him! they need to learn that there are consequences and by putting them in timeout and sending them to bed without dinner,please you think that works, really! haha thats why we see all of you on nanny 911! go see how a hispanic household is run and learn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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| This is how I lost my job folks, what do you think?
Posted: 9/16/2009 5:04:31 PM | And of course...since we are hearing only the story as we have read........is it "all" the story?Are there chances that maybe there were other things that did not fit into the SOP and this firing is from a cumulative measure.
Who doesn't bit ch about something when they get fired? | |
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| This is how I lost my job folks, what do you think?
Posted: 9/16/2009 9:28:16 PM | revilors
Some of my own clarifications:
* In accordance with your assumed position, you singled out the OP's second job in post #41, possibly alluding to an agenda..of which I won't speculate further but I saw a possible compromise of ethics, though granted, from my perspective. I had an opposing view that I'm sure seems pedantic, guess it's my way to root out the issue in a systematic if somewhat blunt manner. Took some cues from you too, nice work ;).
* I accept that your posts probably have more to do with giving a hypothesis of the employer's viewpoint rather than a defense of their position.
* Yours was not the only post that I saw some issues with..but post #41 flicked a switch in me. Call it luck :).
* And ding ding ding AGREE! that the OP would've been better advised to take time out himself til it blew over. Then you sorta went downhill with rhetoric. Sorry, couldn't help myself lol. Okay okay put it down to hypothesis.
* Btw when I read post #6 I fully agreed  .
Whatever the case with the OP's employment, the wishy-washy walnut head of a boss f*cked the OP about and that's not good enough. At-will or not, an employee that has given 3 years of loyal service doesn't deserve to be mucked about by an employer caving in to the demands of a petulant parent.
It's a travesty that the employer and parent have NO accountability for their actions. | |
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Posted: 9/16/2009 11:31:27 PM |
In accordance with your assumed position
Read your email for my actual position.
Here's the thing.
In a free society...we create our expectations of what we want to get from our career. If our job does not meet that expectation...we are free to leave and find one that does.
Why are we critical when our job does the same to us if we don't meet theirs. Expecially given our current economy. It's tit for tat....not.
So...as in every other aspect in our lives...we can choose to whine about it...or do something about it. Whether it be in your job or relationship...raise your stock and reap the dividends. | |
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| This is how I lost my job folks, what do you think?
Posted: 9/18/2009 8:04:32 PM | The kid screwed up and you just had him do a push up. Yeesh, talk about an over reaction. How is a push up even a punishment.
Heh, if that were me, I would've fought it tooth and nail. Heck, I would've done more than a push up depending on what he did. That and I would've called the Mom an idiot for wanting to fire someone for doing something that the Mom should've been doing in the first place, disciplining there kid.
Kids are getting worse and worse these days and parents are caring less and less and don't know how to parent.
I'm sorry that your unemployed and that you got screwed over by some soccer mom. I hope you find work soon and good luck to you. | |
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| This is how I lost my job folks, what do you think?
Posted: 9/19/2009 1:46:14 PM | OP
There are contracts and legislations. When people tell you to forget about it and move on, that's ignorance. Who are you going to go to for a reference. Questions like, what was your last job etc... Like what the hell people? You can know your rights. Find out the reasoning of your dismissal. Keep a paper trail. There are labor boards and people out there that can help you. | |
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| This is how I lost my job folks, what do you think?
Posted: 9/19/2009 2:22:06 PM | Heh, if that were me, I would've fought it tooth and nail. Heck, I would've done more than a push up depending on what he did. That and I would've called the Mom an idiot for wanting to fire someone for doing something that the Mom should've been doing in the first place, disciplining there kid. And if it were me dealing with you, I would not only have your job, but I would have your freedom - I'd ensure that formal charges were filed against you and even if I had to miss my son's football game, I'd make damned sure that I was there to see you jailed.
Bottom line... if you don't like the job, don't do it... if you are having issues with one of the children, bring this to the attention of your supervisor. You are not a law unto yourself. | |
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