| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 7:09:35 AM | I have to agree with most of the posters, this is a woman who craves publicity she creates her own drama. She lambasted Jade Goody for going public with regards to her cancer but yet every opportunity she gets she discusses her sons illnesses and has him splashed all across the front pages of any available magazine.
The woman is a cheap tacky tart who give as good as she gets, there is no way she would ever let any man rape without getting revenge. Look how she treated Peter Andre and how she retaliated whenever dumped by someone. IF IT REALLY HAPPENED SHE WOULD DEFINATELY NAME AND SHAME!
I find her utterly despicable all of a sudden trying to get sympathy from the public by claiming she had been raped on numerous occasions. I do not believe it ever happened, Jordan being Jordan would have run to the press if another man ever even looked at her with a squint.
She is a selfish little drama queen. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 7:22:03 AM | so the fact that they went to the person in question...... for him to deny any involvement, wouldnt that make you think that she named him somewhere along the line, i didnt have the press banging on my door asking me if i raped her.. did you?
it now appears she told her film crew the name...... so she isnt really saying i was raped but im not telling who by now is it? Shall we give it a week before this person is outed in some form or other........ what will be happening now is there will be a way of it coming out that is being negotiated. Look at the John Leslie case...... do you think matthew wright just let that slip?
but we are away from the point, if she was raped however long ago it was, at that time she should have gone to the police and the system should make it easier for women in these cases. Because its highlighted that there are cases of cry rape it doesnt mean all women do it.
one thing it would do is answer alot of questions about her attitude towards men, she seems so defence and negative even when things were ok with her and peter andre | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 7:27:48 AM |
but we are away from the point, if she was raped however long ago it was, at that time she should have gone to the police and the system should make it easier for women in these cases.
Yes the system fails a hell of a lot of women who have been raped or sexually assaulted.
I actually don't think she needs publicity, if she blew her nose it would make the papers.
This may backfire on her big time. I didn't think John Leslie deserved to face trial by media the way he did and it looks like this may happen all over again. She didn't report it at the time and it doesn't look like she's going to now, unless she was going to make a formal complaint, she shouldn't have named him. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 7:58:13 AM |
so the fact that they went to the person in question...... for him to deny any involvement, wouldnt that make you think that she named him somewhere along the line, i didnt have the press banging on my door asking me if i raped her.. did you?
They went to someone's door, doesn't mean that she named him somewhere at all. She has said it was someone she was dating at the start of her glamour career who was more famous than she was and that she had been raped more than once, not clear if by more than one person.
You're a newspaper journalist and now if you uncover the person involved you will able to sell that story for a lot of money so you'll track down everyone linked with Jordan at the start of her career and ask them wouldn't you? She has said she will never publicly name them, she didn't mention it at all in her 3 autobiographies or even tell her husband. The press wouldn't knock on my door as I never had involvement with her but I can name a couple of celebrities doors that would of been knocked on.
The story is now to big now and your right like the Ulrika Johnson case that the speculation will mount and the true identity will be revealed as gossip spreads. I just don't see what good would come from a preemptive strike would do for the person involved?
but we are away from the point, if she was raped however long ago it was, at that time she should have gone to the police and the system should make it easier for women in these cases. Because its highlighted that there are cases of cry rape it doesnt mean all women do it.
Totally agree and something needs to happen in rape cases the perpetrator actually goes to prison and doesn't get off as happens now. Rape has become to clouded with date rape, consensual rape and there were laws that were suggested that would increase the conviction rate, have these laws gone live as it were and are they having an effect? | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 8:00:23 AM |
She has told members of her film crew that she was raped by a well known Celebrity
was it Andi Peters ?
I know that was said flippantly... but you have just highlighted as issue which has just been discussed in our office..... how many people are now trying to piece 1 and 1 together and getting 3?
If people are doing it, we can all assume the newspapers are.......
okay... can I change the term "dangerous celebrity" for "dangerous person" then they are still out there and they could attack again... how many others could this person have attacked in the meantime, how many of those could have been stopped if the allegations are true and she had said something before......
I know it is one of the hardest decision a women has to make, and i would never wish to be in the postition, i do hope that by only speaking now she didn't have the potential of stopping them there and then, rather than doing it again and leaving another victim.... i wouldn't want that on my conscience... | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 8:06:31 AM |
potential of stopping them there and then, rather than doing it again and leaving another victim.... i wouldn't want that on my conscience...
With respect, the system has failed so many women who have tried to bring the person who raped or assaulted them to justice, even if Jordan was raped and didn't speak out, if there was another victim, the person who is responsible for that is the person who thinks it's ok to rape someone, no one else.
Or perhaps a system that allows women who have been raped to be treated like a criminal. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 8:22:42 AM | think i have more chance of being raped by andi peters than Jordan.
I think it certainly has become a clouded area, and i dont think anyone will ever understand unless it has happened to them, you can read books, watch films and put yourself in peoples positions but i think everyone will react in a different way. With Jordan i seem to remember her going through this stage of seeming to do anything at the start of her career, didnt she go to america and act in porn films and play the hugh hefner girl bit, maybe it was her way of not valuing her body. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 9:19:10 AM | Does anyone realise what exactly a woman goes through after reporting something like this?
8 hours of questioning whilst being unable to eat or drink anything until a forensic doctor has obtained evidence
Months of waiting for the trial during which time his lawyers have the right to send someone to your home and go over the entire statement again. Meanwhile you are trying to hold a shattered life together
Standing in court (if you are lucky enough to get that far) all day (sometimes more than one day) going over the most traumatic event of your life in meticulous detail while some shark in a suit tries to rip you to pieces. If you are lucky the Court will be closed to the public while you give evidence but that's not often the case, so you have members of the public coming in to listen to all the gory details
Less than 5% of rape cases conclude with a conviction. Thats the ones that actually make it to Court. Thousands of rapes go unreported and its no wonder when the conviction rate is so low. Actually getting the case to Court is a success in itself.
If Jordan has been raped its down to her to make the decision on whether to go to the police or not, same as every woman. However, for every one that goes unreported there is another rapist out there who is getting away with his actions | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 9:56:20 AM |
If this is true shouldn't she have gone to the police to report this serious crime?
Yes.
If she doesn't want to cant the old bill knock on her front door and ask questions?
No point really, the police will eventually find out who it is when her next book comes out like the rest of the muppets who will be forking out to find out who the mystery celeb is !
If there is a dangerous celebrity out there shouldn't the public have a right to know about it?
Yes, but I would eliminate Dale Winton from investigations and count him as pretty safe in this particular enquiry. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 10:06:59 AM |
Lets hope whoever raped her doesn't get to like the experience and do it again.
Get to like the experience? No one who is wired correctly would even dream of raping another human being.
Nats, what you said above was very well put. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 10:45:31 AM | When this happens to somebody it is a life changing event. It can and does affect whole families.
After such an incident I find it very hard to believe that a woman would feel safe enough to flaunt her body to the extent that this lady does, let alone talk about it so casually... | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 10:55:17 AM |
If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Absolutely .................... unless she is an attention seeking zed list celebrity with a book/tv-series to promote, and in that case whether it happened or not she will probably find herself having cried "wolf" one time too many. 
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 12:29:35 PM |
After such an incident I find it very hard to believe that a woman would feel safe enough to flaunt her body to the extent that this lady does, let alone talk about it so casually...
Or alternatively she learned from the experience that her body has no rights and no value in the eyes of the world so what does it matter what she does, any feeling of being comfortable in her own skin has been forcibly taken from her and she no longer possesses her body-soul integrity nor has any means of protecting herself from the world because what she did try when she was raped was the limit of her forces and it didn't succeed.
I apologise for the length of that sentence, unlike my usual considered prose, but until you have experienced that disintegration and the inability to re-integrate yourself, any criticism of how another person deals with it or doesn't deal with it has no value. For which "attack" I cannot apologise. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 12:56:33 PM |
With the conviction rate being so low is it any wonder lots don't report.
It could also be 'low' because some 'rapes' aren't 'rapes' once the evidence has been examined....
As for there being a dangerous celebrity out there and the public having a right to know about it look at what happened to John Leslie when he was outed as being the attacker of Ulrika Johnson. He was never convicted of the offence but he was treated as if he was guilty.
It doesn't mean that he didn't attack her, though....at least she had the spirit to proceed with a case against him knowing that it might fail. Jordan seems to be conducting a trial through the media - is it because she knows that it wasn't really a 'rape'? | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 1:05:43 PM | As far as I'm aware Ulrika, never named him publicly either, John Leslie was outed on the tv, she just wouldn't confirm or deny it was him.
I don't think Ulrika Johnson ever pressed charges against John Leslie either, the police did, she had nothing to do with it and has never to this date confirmed or denied that he was her alleged attacker. She said that a famous person raped her when she was in her 20s and that they were dating which is exactly the same as Jordan is saying now.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/john-leslie-my-behaviour-was-at-times-inappropriate-467496.html
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 1:14:54 PM | | He has been accused of rape since, I think in 2008 but as far as I'm aware Ulrika Johnson never named John Leslie as her attacker, he was outed on a channel 5 chat show by the presenter, she had nothing to do with the police pressing charges. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 1:22:49 PM |
With the conviction rate being so low is it any wonder lots don't report. It could also be 'low' because some 'rapes' aren't 'rapes' once the evidence has been examined....
I refer you to this 2005 article in The Grauniad
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jul/31/ukcrime.immigrationpolicy
for some more in-depth reading on low conviction rates. For The Daily Mail in 2009 try this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1181468/Britain-lowest-conviction-rates-rape-Europe.html
Please note I am not saying either stance or the stance of the commentators on the DM site are right or wrong, but I recommend the links just to provide you with a little substance so as to be able to make a positive statement for or against instead of a doubting "could be". | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 1:41:26 PM | That woman is just a sheer horror in the same mould as that horrible Goody person.
She, like her tits are nothing but false.Famous for opening her legs and flounting herself unashamidly.
Then she marries the only person on the planet that is actually more vain that what she is.
Unsurprisingly to me anyway the marriage turns into a sham so what does she do, abandon the kids goes on a bender wearing the most god awful chav outfits that she can get her tits into (just).
Is it any surprise that when people start to question her judgement that she starts claiming to have bean raped?
Could it be she is tryimg to side step negative publicity by stating she has been raped, in a vain attemt gain public sympathy? | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 1:50:38 PM | Jordan seems to be conducting a trial through the media - is it because she knows that it wasn't really a 'rape'?
She has no need for any extra media attention than she is already getting. I don't believe for a moment she is stupid to believe that by crying rape it's going to get her much sympathy from the public in the light of the negativity she's attracted around her relationship issues.
I do find it hard to empathise with her. I daresay there are those who feel that because of the way she exhibits her body she deserves to be raped....of course most would never actually say it out loud! Therein lies the problem. She has cleverly courted media attention by using her looks and body and now she's claiming her body has been used against her wishes.....something of a paradox perhaps. She reminds of a little girl trapped in a woman's body. I don't believe she is lying but I believe she lacked the courage of her own conviction, quite possibly believing she brought the rape on herself. Why now? Perhaps she's become aware of the anger she's suppressed since her marriage breakdown? That's one possibility. I see her as a victim of her own making to some degree and yet there is some sadness about that. That said, until she is able to access her own feelings on the matter which she seems very removed from, it's difficult to feel much else for her really. At least if she realises that rape is not a matter to be swept under the carpet that might be a good start for her.
It's a matter of personal choice whether or not a woman decides to take things further when it comes to rape, sometimes they just want to forget about it. I do think it is better to take action if possible as the rapist will feel free to do it again.....unless some unfortunate accident befalls him. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 2:08:49 PM | The police have visited her today following allegations, and she refuses to pursue the matter.
Therefore the matter is ended.
There will be no speculation in the media.
No celebrity will have to worry about his career (if indeed it was a he, and not Linzi Dawn Mackenzie).
And not a single more column inch need be wasted with the rumour.
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 2:09:34 PM | My take on this is that victims of rape have an obligation to report it. I know that sounds very forceful and heartless, but a rapist is capable of raping again, and could well do so if he gets it in his mind that he can get away with it.
When a woman is found to have deliberately made a false allegation though, there should be jail time attached...
Martin. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 2:21:16 PM |
My take on this is that victims of rape have an obligation to report it. I know that sounds very forceful and heartless, but a rapist is capable of raping again, and could well do so if he gets it in his mind that he can get away with it.
They can also get away with it if the person who has been raped goes to court.
Until victims of rape get better support and not made to feel like criminals themselves, I fully understand why people choose not to proceed with a conviction and get on with their lives.
The victim is not responsible for someone offending again and given that few rapists get locked up for life, people can and do re offend once freed.
I was reading about the number of cases that lead to a conviction, less than 2.9 per cent in Scotland and those figures are direct from Rape Crisis.
http://www.nus.org.uk/en/Campaigns/Womens-/Britain-has-worst-rape-conviction-rate-/
So people can and do get away with it. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 4:36:52 PM | Horrible, horrible thing.......I should stay out of this thread really, the very mention of the word makes my skin crawl.......
Harrowing, thats a good word and sums it up for me.......
Much as i would love all victims to come forward, life just isnt like that.
Should she.........Imo Yes she should, if there's even a billionth chance that he's caught and locked away, then its worth doing.......
But thats all to easy for me to say, i wouldnt blame her however she decided to deal with it.
The CPS arent likely to want to take it to court, how would you prove it? I read that rape crisis link. It's purely a question of consent now we have DNA testing. One persons word against anothers. And if thats all there is to go on, it's little wonder so few are reported and so few of them result in a conviction.
On the flip side though, if a Woman is found to be lying (chances are small, but there's always that chance) Then she should face a very lengthy prison sentence herself.
As for Jordan, i dont know her. I rarely listen to the goings on in her life, so i really cant comment. Was she or wasnt she? How the hell would i know! She isnt my type thats all i do know | |
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