| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 11:24:07 PM | If she was raped then yes, she should have reported it at the time.
There is no legal or moral requirement to do so though, just as there is no obligation to report any crime.
Jordan hasn't named a guilty party and I don't believe she will. If I were she I wouldn't be reporting a rape at this late date either.
The reasons are harsh but true, if Jordon were to bring this to court she would be massacred by the defence. Her entire sex life, both real and that in the media would be dragged across the court trying to show the jury that this isn't a woman that was raped, it is a slut who consented.
While women's sexual history is deemed relevant to the sole act for which the court hearing is held, then many, many rapes will not be reported.
The rapist isn't allowed to have his history considered, why is the victim? | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/18/2009 8:11:22 AM | | then you have to ask the question of why raise the matter in the first place? she doesnt want to name him... she doesnt want police involvement, if she has dealt with it and boxed it off, where was the value in dragging it back up if it wasnt publicity? was it the sympathy vote? does she need publicity in that way, all she has to do is have a row with her fella, she is quite high in the public eye at the moment anyway, i dont see why its come out | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/18/2009 8:54:15 AM | considering this is one of the planets biggest attention seekers , who's only role in life is to stand in front of a camera and look like slapper, i'd say she was lieing her ass off.
Once the rape story has died down and she needs her next fix of attention, my money will be on heroin addiction, there will be a suitably fuzzy pap photo of her with a needle in one the tabloids along with her suitably brave fight against addiction. Give it 3 months.
Do any other countries breed this particular class of parasite or is it just the UK? | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/18/2009 9:17:14 AM |
Do any other countries breed this particular class of parasite or is it just the UK?
I'm sure other countries do, but we're the world leaders...
publications like the Sun exist in other countries, but I'm not aware of anywhere else where such a publication is the best selling newspaper! | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/18/2009 10:07:28 AM | but she has the attention at the moment, its not like she is out of the public eye, i could understand if things have died down abit, might have been done in a way to promote the bf?
gawd knows, i wonder all the men that call her a slapper or a tart, wonder how many would kick her out of bed for farting? | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/18/2009 10:34:06 AM | Do any other countries breed this particular class of parasite or is it just the UK?
Msg 58.
Yes!...In Spain they are even more obsessed than we are here in The UK with "Celebrities"
There are some TV shows that go on for hours talking about what the latest non entities have been up to.
Msg 60
Bild newspaper in Germany is similar to The Sun and well known for its stories of scandal! | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/18/2009 12:34:48 PM | gawd knows, i wonder all the men that call her a slapper or a tart, wonder how many would kick her out of bed for farting?
I can assure you I would never hear her fart, as some of us people aren't fixated on celebrities, TV or instantaneous satisfaction to misquote a song.
Luckily, there are people out there who appreciate more cerebral moments in time, and jordan ain't one of them. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/18/2009 3:19:18 PM |
In theory.... Yes.... but it takes a lot of courage to report rape, to endure the consequences of the investigations and court case if one arises. Not to mention the mental and phisical pain she must go through.
With the conviction rate being so low is it any wonder lots don't report.
On come on, as much courage as talking about it to millions on TV???
I dont mean to sound harsh, or maybe I do, but it seems to be the same thing over and over and yes it keeps the people watching...
Also lets be fair, for the women to have tests to make sure she is telling the truth, after being raped, no no one wants that, so we let it drop. Jordan is a smart person and wont let anyone get one over on her. So I should think soon there will be a report in the paper about someone who had sex with her whilst she was with her husband. Then he can clear his name, also it makes her ex look bad and then everyone will forgive her for leaving her children and going off the rails.
Shrugs.... | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/18/2009 4:43:04 PM |
They can also get away with it if the person who has been raped goes to court.
Until victims of rape get better support and not made to feel like criminals themselves, I fully understand why people choose not to proceed with a conviction and get on with their lives.
I understand their decision as well, but I can't condone it. If someone has, genuinely, raped you - then that's a bloke who needs dealing with.
I know that, in life, things are never quite so cut and dry - but really, these people need dealing with. I strongly feel that a woman should ALWAYS prosecute a rape.
The victim is not responsible for someone offending again and given that few rapists get locked up for life, people can and do re offend once freed.
The victim is certainly not responsible for the offenders acts, but if she has the chance to prevent a future attack on another girl, ought she not to take it? What possible justification could there be for someone to ignore that opportunity?
I was reading about the number of cases that lead to a conviction, less than 2.9 per cent in Scotland and those figures are direct from Rape Crisis.
Indeed, some guilty people are cleared - and that's a tragedy. It's not a reason not to report though - in my own view - which you don't share, which is fair enough...
Of course, there are also an awful lot of false claims of rape to be considered as well - and every false allegation makes it all the harder for the next genuine victim who has to go through the system.
If rape investigations are not finding the evidence to prove a case beyond reasonable doubt, perhaps that is there we need to focus our efforts - such that victims can have more confidence?
http://www.nus.org.uk/en/Campaigns/Womens-/Britain-has-worst-rape-conviction-rate-/
So people can and do get away with it.
Ok - let's have a look at that article...
The advent of DNA evidence means that it can now be proven whether or not penetration has occurred when a woman accuses a man of rape.
Rubbish. It proves that a man's semen was introduced to her vagina - it doesn't prove how it got there. And yes, tragically, SOME women are that messed up to frame a bloke.
Where, in the past, juries would decide on the full collection of evidence in court, now the CPS is dismissing more and more cases before they even reach trial. This is because the prosecution now rests solely on the issue of consent,
The whole crime, by it's nature, rests on the issue of consent.
If the CPS are dismissing cases to easily, that needs looking at. If we're not gathering enough evidence, that needs looking at. I'm not here campaigning for an easy time for rapists - I hate them every bit as much as you do...
and attitudes in the police and in the CPS mean that cases are dismissed on snap decisions about a woman’s character, how much she had drunk, previous history with the defendant, a history of mental illness and a series of irrelevant factors to whether or not she was actually raped.
Erm, I would suggest that each of those factors are relevant. They're not deciding factors, but they are relevant (apart from character).
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/18/2009 5:32:08 PM |
The victim is certainly not responsible for the offenders acts, but if she has the chance to prevent a future attack on another girl, ought she not to take it? What possible justification could there be for someone to ignore that opportunity?
Because by doing so she prolongs the ordeal which becomes magnified 1,000 times over! There's a lot of shame involved in rape, finger pointing, guilt at being in the wrong place at the wrong time, friends of the rapist and his family get dragged into it, and the victim has to re-live it over and over again. I have known fate to take a hand in things whereby the rapist met his death in a fatal motorbike accident. Having to stand up in a Court of law and involve family and friends can be a step too far for some. Also, as an earlier poster pointed out, often the victim's reputation gets called into play which might be irrelevant to the incident. It's bad enough having gone through the ordeal without being branded a "promiscuous slut" at the same time by the Defence. No woman should be forced to have sex against her wishes. I'm sure more women would report it if they didn't have to go through so much torture to provide the evidence. It seems you are damned if you do and damned if you don't! | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/19/2009 3:14:23 AM |
Because by doing so she prolongs the ordeal which becomes magnified 1,000 times over!
And by not doing so she misses an opportunity to prevent it happening to the next woman. I'm a man, and if I were raped, you can be damned sure I'd prosecute and do everything in my power to bring the rapist to justice. That said, I'm quite a strong person - but I would definitely put my own shame / embarrassment to one side and go for them (legally) full tilt.
There's a lot of shame involved in rape, finger pointing, guilt at being in the wrong place at the wrong time, friends of the rapist and his family get dragged into it, and the victim has to re-live it over and over again.
You're right of course, and society needs to have a rethink of its attitudes here. There should be no shame at all - it's not something the victim has a hand in.
I have known fate to take a hand in things whereby the rapist met his death in a fatal motorbike accident. Having to stand up in a Court of law and involve family and friends can be a step too far for some.
I think we're coming to the strength of character again... I know that many people aren't strong enough to face that, but they really need to try. It's difficult for anyone to make any form of intervention to prevent another rape without the last victim taking that step.
Also, as an earlier poster pointed out, often the victim's reputation gets called into play which might be irrelevant to the incident. It's bad enough having gone through the ordeal without being branded a "promiscuous slut" at the same time by the Defence.
We absolutely agree there - and this sort of character assassination has no place before the courts. It doesn't actually establish anything - if a woman sleeps with three guys in the same night, it doesn't mean there should be a presumption of consent for number four. I really wish the courts would do something about people trying that approch.
No woman should be forced to have sex against her wishes. I'm sure more women would report it if they didn't have to go through so much torture to provide the evidence.
Clearly, the simple rule here is "No means no", and if she's not in a state to be able to understand what's happening, then that's "no" too.
It seems you are damned if you do and damned if you don't!
I'm not trying to damn anyone - just pointing out that I wish victims would cooperate more in trying to bring rapists to justice. I do understand all the points you have made, I just wish women would be able to overcome them to actually confront these people.
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/19/2009 3:27:13 AM |
Why would she discuss such an horrific trauma such as rape with a 'film crew' as far as I'm aware most women seek the helpful ear of counsellors or trauma groups or those close to them not those who are in the business of media where theres a pretty damned good chance of the story being publicised 
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/19/2009 3:34:45 AM | ^^^^^^^^^^^ Because as the years go by it is easier to talk about, as in my case. I quite openly talk about what happened to me, not in great detail and if the subject arises of course. It happened 10 years ago, and I am 'over' it now.
I'm not sure, but I think the subject was raised as someone close to her, her boyfriend maybe?? has been asked to play the part of a rapist. Not too sure of this though. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/19/2009 3:43:14 AM |
^^^^^^^^^^^ Because as the years go by it is easier to talk about, as in my case. I quite openly talk about what happened to me, not in great detail and if the subject arises of course. It happened 10 years ago, and I am 'over' it now.
I can understand and fully appreciate that but to play the 'celeb rapist guessing game' with the media and public with intent to possibly profit from it undermines and cheapens this abhorrent crime and those who work relentlessly within its cause. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/19/2009 4:15:23 AM | Mac
I completely agree that if she is playing the 'celeb rapist guessing game' then she is a pathetic excuse for a human being and an insult to women everywhere.
If it is found out that she is lying, or playing the media by intentionally allowing the info to 'leak' then I hope that the media and fans alike boycot her and she never works again. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/19/2009 12:53:36 PM | I don't actually think she was playing the celeb rapist game. Her new partner was in a vid and simulating rape scenes, she was asked about this and mentioned that she had been raped and it snowballed.
I'm actually astonished at the amount of vitriol directed at her and that its been assumed that shes a liar because she is a glamour model.
If she has been raped I'm sorry for her, no matter what. As someone who has been sexually assaulted twice in their lifetime, I'd like to see everyone out there who has had something to say go through what I and many others have been through and then make such judgements.
You don't in my opinion, have the right to.
Someone could be the most promiscuous person on planet earth, they still do not deserve to be raped, end of story.
The air must be lovely and clean up there on the moral high ground.
Don't judge people for not reporting it but do not judge someone as being a liar just because they are a model and have taken off their clothes for a living.
It's the worst thing that can happen to any human being and if she is lying I am truly sorry for her but don't assume that she is, we have no right to do so.
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/19/2009 1:09:20 PM |
I'm actually astonished at the amount of vitriol directed at her and that its been assumed that shes a liar because she is a glamour model.
I can't find a single post that suggest's she's a liar because of her career choice............or were you assuming ??
I think people are questioning the story's credibility based on the way she has and still does financially profit from her private life through the media. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/19/2009 1:17:19 PM |
After such an incident I find it very hard to believe that a woman would feel safe enough to flaunt her body to the extent that this lady does, let alone talk about it so casually...
No I wasn't assuming thanks. I have no idea why you used the smiley icon either, I see nothing to smile about about rape. The words cheap tacky tart were also used on this thread. As if someone who is a cheap tacky tart or is perceived to be is less likely to be believed when it comes to sexual abuse or rape. That saddens me.
How she profits on her private life have nothing to do with the fact that she might or might not have been sexually assaulted or raped. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/19/2009 1:26:52 PM | The reason that people are not believing Jordan on her rape claim has nothing to do with her being a "cheap tacky tart". It has everything to do with the fact that she is a publicity seeking ***** (insert your own choice of words)
In this case she is profiting from her rape claim, and her general behaviour through out her "professional" (and I use the term very lightly) career is to exploit any and every chance to get her name in the news | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/19/2009 1:31:07 PM |
In this case she is profiting from her rape claim, and her general behaviour through out her "professional" (and I use the term very lightly) career is to exploit any and every chance to get her name in the news
In what way is she profiting exactly? Does she need money? No. Is her name in the news every other week anyway? Yes.
Odd that when she went on national tv to talk about being sexually abused as a young child while she was still with Peter Andre there wasn't this backlash.
Perhaps she's hated more because they've split. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/19/2009 2:35:12 PM | No I wasn't assuming thanks.
Ok let's go into the post you have quoted........
After such an incident I find it very hard to believe that a woman would feel safe enough to flaunt her body to the extent that this lady does, let alone talk about it so casually...
The poster is actually expressing surprise at the ease of how Jordan resumed modelling and exposure 'after' such an attack in comparison to rape victims who would probably not feel safe.
At no point in that post has it 'been assumed that shes a liar because she is a glamour model.' ??
I have no idea why you used the smiley icon either, I see nothing to smile about about rape.
Nor do I.............It was the irony of your 'assumption' !!
The words cheap tacky tart were also used on this thread.As if someone who is a cheap tacky tart or is perceived to be is less likely to be believed when it comes to sexual abuse or rape. That saddens me.
You can understand how some may come to that conclusion.......her conduct certainly doesn't disprove that theory.
How she profits on her private life have nothing to do with the fact that she might or might not have been sexually assaulted or raped.
So you are saying it's ok to make money out of the story whether true or not ?
I stand by my previous post ............
to play the 'celeb rapist guessing game' with the media and public with intent to possibly profit from it undermines and cheapens this abhorrent crime and those who work relentlessly within its cause.
In what way is she profiting exactly? Does she need money? No. Is her name in the news every other week anyway? Yes.
Ego?Greed ? Attention seeking?Publicity? ...........Don't forget it's sensational stories like these that keep her where she is and maintains her profile else she would be back in 'The Jungle' with all the other B list celebs !!
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