Why does the far left always have the need to start bashing Christains?

I've having spent a lot of time working with Christians. they certainly don't seem to have any trouble bashing the left. and not the far left. just the left in general. not to mention a host of other peoples.

any nation that enslaved an imported population for 250 years and then repressed them brutally following that

has 4% of the worlds population and 25% of the worlds wealth

has 10 million children who lack hot food every day

has the largest prison population per capita in the civilized world

has killed at least 100,000 civilians by bombing in the last ten years doesn't have a lot of room to be calling other civilizations barbarous.

Which is basically the same thing that every other nation and society did at the time, because ideas about human rights (and even who/what was human) was not as advanced or sophisticated as what it is today.

Thanks for the warning i'll steer well clear of these christians

Osama Bin Laden is a phony Muslim, just as Pat Robinson is a phony Christian.
They both seek the light of GOD, so it may shine on themselves.
They are both only in it for their own self-aggrandizement.

We Americans are so used to the whole simplistic Christian theatrics, I think it would do us all good to see that other religions can be just as righteous and patriotic.

I think it will be a fascinating sight to see thousands of Muslims gathered in front of the Lincoln Memorial, facing East, and all praying in peace to the GOD of Abraham and Moses .

It seems like, no matter what Muslims do their actions seem to offend everyone always.

even if this were true (which it isn't)

sounds a lot like what my five year old nieces and nephews say when caught doing something bad.

"well, johnny did it too."

barbarity on the part of someone else is not an excuse for it on your part.

Oh yes, I forgot ignorant. Fundamentalists in every religion tend to be extremely ignornant about history and current world events and situations.

Which it catagorically is. The first developed/European country to make slavery illegal was Portugal, in 1761, for mainland Portugal and India - their other colonies were unaffected. Britain followed in 1772; the first US state to abolish slavery was Vermont, in 1777.

The major reasons for wars in sub-Saharan Africa - even during the height of Shaka Zulu's empire - was to raid for slaves and cattle, not to control territory. And *every* African slave that wound in in America was either sold willingly by the family, or captured during a raid and sold from one to another in order to get to the docks so they *could* be put on ships in the first place. Slaves that wound up in Europe or North America wound up there because they were sold out by their own long before they ever saw a white man.

First - what your nieces and nephews are doing is trying to excuse and justify their actions. I am explaining, not an excusing.

Second - the fact that it offends your sensibilities doesn't change the historical fact of WHY it happened.

Third - when the European population at large didn't even consider black Africans to be even human, you shouldn't be surprised when they don't treat them as human. If you went back in time and told a slave owner what YOU believe, they would give you the same funny look that people give PETA activists when they say the equivalent of "well, animals are people too, yanno".

Fourth - Context is everything when you're dealing with history. You took an event from history, totally ignoring the context. Every other society IN THE WORLD - with very, very few, localised exceptions - also kept slaves at that time. You pulled one sad chapter from history, ignored the fact that *nobody* did anything different at the time, and used it to attempt to make the USA look like some evil empire, totally ignoring the fact that everybody else was doing the same thing, for no other reason than to try to make the US look somehow more evil than anybody else.

Fifth - morals, mores, and beliefs change over time, whether you like it or not. You may consider it to have been barbaric - that's absolutely your choice. And fortunately for us all, there are only a very few people in the world today who would disagree with you. But it doesn't change the fact that they didn't see anything wrong with what they were doing, or that the rest of the world believed, and acted, the same.

A-freaking-men.

Thanks, that explains YOUR choice to behave like that above, although we're capable of more and shouldn't cop out and stoop to that level.

OMG, and they go around flying planes into buildings, strapping packs of explosives to themselves and blowing up crowded commuter trains and subways...

I embrace my evolution except when it is foolish to do so

No, they blow up federal buildings where children are attending daycare. The talibornagains shoot doctors. They invade nations based on lies. They arrest innocent Americans without charge. And they torture people.

A-freaking-men.

It doesn't seem as though you've addressed the "every other nation and society" statement, even though you assert that it is "catagorically true." Fairly sound examples, though. Good start.

Actually, there was justification in your "explanation. Let's at least be honest about that.

"...the historical fact of why..." Now if that isn't a red flag of oversimplification then I'll be a monkey's uncle!

You're trying to hide the ball here. Careful what you call intellectually dishonest. Keep in mind that you don't have to defend the US against implications of being some evil empire. It gets you off track and it's really not the point.

That is your response to a poster calling fundamentalists ignorant of world events. Do you always support gross generalizations so vigorously?

What you have illustrated is that you have a biased, one sided, limited and self serving vision of history and apparently no relevant understanding or awareness of the broader world as far as current events and circumstances.

Just like not all Muslims live to kill people who aren't Muslim, not all Americans do what you outlined above. Those acts were committed, more or less, by a select few