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Posted: 9/23/2009 9:34:45 AM |
And *every* African slave that wound in in America was either sold willingly by the family, or captured during a raid and sold from one to another in order to get to the docks so they *could* be put on ships in the first place. Slaves that wound up in Europe or North America wound up there because they were sold out by their own long before they ever saw a white man. Not every, no, but many. However, you lack of education shows in that you do not understand that slavery between African tribes was nothing like the slavery these people experienced in the hands of the white men. 'Slavery' was common amongst African tribes, but slaves were not treated as if they were sub human, as if they were animals, etc. They were treated as a part of the community and often as part of the family. I suggest you do some reading on this subject; it is very enlightening. The argument that the black Africans were complicit in the slave trade is an incomplete argument as they had no idea what the people they sold would be headed for....they could not have imagined it. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 12:37:25 PM |
Which is basically the same thing that every other nation and society did at the time, because ideas about human rights (and even who/what was human) was not as advanced or sophisticated as what it is today.
Remember - before that "enslaved imported population" got to North America, they were probably sold 10/15 times by people on their own continent before the even set foot on a ship. And even then there would have been competition from every other western country for the best specimens .... so it's hardly a failing peculiar to the USA.
This is not correct information. By the time the British colonies in America got involved in the slave trade, some nations had already banned it, and much earlier than Portugal as you stated in your second post. In "1571: the Parlement of Bordeaux sets all slaves - "blacks and moors" - in the town free, declaring slavery illegal in France." You can avail yourself of this information, if you want, in this link:
http://www.brycchancarey.com/slavery/chrono3.htm
Some European thinkers had already given their opinions about slavery, i.e: Sir Thomas Moore in his Utopia (1516) said that there would be slaves "but they would not be 'non-combatant prisoners-of-war, slaves by birth, or purchases from foreign slave markets."
Now, the first time that you post incorrect information can pass as lack of knowledge, which is not an uncommon thing in these forums. However, when other posters challenged your information as being rather incomplete or biased, your immediate response, without even taking the effort to double check your information, was a reiteration of your "supposedly" solid knowledge, and you are entering the realm of the willingly ignorant, and your unnecessary and misguided defense of North America's role in the slave trade reminds one of a folkloric tale rather than sound information. As in
Which is basically the same thing that every other nation and society did at the time, because ideas about human rights (and even who/what was human) was not as advanced or sophisticated as what it is today.
Remember - before that "enslaved imported population" got to North America, they were probably sold 10/15 times by people on their own continent before the even set foot on a ship. And even then there would have been competition from every other western country for the best specimens .... so it's hardly a failing peculiar to the USA.
The fact is that, besides the fact that some nations had declared illegal the practice of trading slaves, some very heated discussions about slavery had taken place already, and people had already given all the reasons that can be brought forward against slavery:
"1556: Domingo de Soto, in De justicia et de jure libri X (Ten Books on Justice and Law), argues that it is wrong to keep in slavery any person who was born free."
"1569: a Sevillian Dominican, Tomás de Mercado, publishes Tratos y contratos de mercaderes (Practices and Contracts of Merchants), which attacks the way the slave trade is conducted."
I am sure that if you really want to have solid information you would be able to find it, and then you can have solid opinions and arguments to defend, if possible, the participation of the American colonies in the slave trade. Then you wouldn't have to defend yourself with inane excuses:
Of course it's a simplification - do you want to try to explain a few hundred years of history in an internet forum? I stand by my statement, and believe it to be correct. If you want to argue about whether or not it's an oversimplification, well that's an entirely different arguement. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 1:30:09 PM | msg 7:
If all they're doing is praying, why do they need a big media buildup?
Bingo.
It's an exercise in self-promotion. "Look how wonderful we are!"
In addition, I've always found it offensive, in my own experience with Christians, or in the transparent hypocrisy of Muslims, when they say they'll "pray for me", or in this case, my society. Those prayers, if they're earnest, should be going to their fellow Muslims without free expression and other fundamental rights in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Pakistan. Where are all the protests and prayers from moderate Canadian and U.S. Muslims to those who really need it? This promotion is politically and religiously motivated, hiding under the false cover of "prayer". Check out what undercover Muslim posers have said about the pervasive anti-West aggression going on in mosques from Montreal to San Diego, from Vancouver to Miami. Then check out the meaning of malediction, which is both a prayer and a curse.
I'm not religious. I don't believe in a Muslim god, or any other for that matter. I find it extremely offensive to know someone is "praying" for me. But then, non-minorities, unlike Islam (at over one billion?) aren't allowed to be offended. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 1:47:14 PM |
My experience and observation as well, especially the fundamentalist Christians in America. Some of the most mean spirited and arrogant, self righteous people ever in existence.
Generalize much? | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 1:54:54 PM |
I'm not religious.
How can you then pretend that you understand the motivations of religious people?
These people are muslims, but they also are Americans. Too bad that by exercising their right to freedom of religion they are offending you. Would you like to deprive them of their rights so that you wouldn't be offended? | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 2:38:55 PM |
How can you then pretend that you understand the motivations of religious people?
Because I was brought up to go to a church of Protestant demonination until I was 14 years old. At that point, I had the individuality, smarts, and force, to deny the charade that is organized religion (the two biggest secrets of which are: sex is bad, and keep the suckers feeling guilty -- the 2nd following from the first. Even at 14, this was accurately intuited).
Because I've studied the three major theistic religions with fascination.
Because I understand the esoteric underpinnings of religion, the esoteric core, and how that's been perverted by the exoteric dogma with its attendant power motive throughout history.
And, pertinent to this thread, I understand how arrogant and wrongheaded it is to presume to "pray" for the souls of unbelievers. My soul is fine, thanks. No need for a condescending prayer where it's not needed, and more importantly, not wanted. (As stated, though, even this motive is bogus. What hubris to announce a mass public prayer-fest.)
Too bad that by exercising their right to freedom of religion they are offending you.
I'll be offended by any damn thing I want to be offended by. And, unlike the Canadian "Human Rights" Commission, its corrupt apologists, and the crazy fucks whose literal devotion to the Qur'un makes apostasy and any non-Muslim an automatic offense by existence, I grant Muslims who want to congregate and pray the right to also be offended. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 2:48:09 PM | With all due respect holding more than a billion peaceful people accountable for the actions of perhaps a couple of thousand HYPOCRITES is unequivocally un-American. Anyone that seeks to prohibit ANY peaceful assembly is unequivocally un-American.
We are far from a perfect people. We have mensa rejects waving our flag while simultaneously trying to deny rights to some people they already enjoy and already guarnateed to everyone by the Constitution. Are any of you aware we're Consittuional Republic and not a Biblical Theocracy? Sad the self absporbed and hypocritical among us apparently never developed any kind of an alacrity for critical thinking.
Anti Muslim uneqivocally equals un-American. Period.
"Think! Its very patriotic." | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 4:01:56 PM |
And, pertinent to this thread, I understand how arrogant and wrongheaded it is to presume to "pray" for the souls of unbelievers.
Where did you read that they will be praying for the souls of the unbelievers?
You make it sound like this event is going to be one of those gathering by some christian sects that go around trying to convert people. I don't see anything remotely similar in this event. But perhaps you know better, since you started knowing it all at fourteen. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 4:25:19 PM |
Where did you read that they will be praying for the souls of the unbelievers?
Let me be clear. I'd rather they were praying for individual souls, or for the "soul of a nation", than proselytyzing by .... ahem .... other means.
Don't be naive. No ideology, religion, or political force, organizes to this extent unless they want something specific themselves to come their way out of it. Do you really think that 50, 000 + people are going to go to the trouble and expense to travel and miss work in order to do what they could just as easily do in the privacy of their own homes, alone? Or, if the social itch is that important to them, that they couldn't satisfy it by many smaller, local groups coordinated in their home towns and cities? Ah, but then that wouldn't gain them any national publicity now, would it? What fun is it to be moral, pious, and good-hearted if no one else seems to realize it?
But perhaps you know better, since you started knowing it all at fourteen.
Careful with the passive-aggressive ad hominem. It's unbecoming, in fact hypocritical, in those professing a peaceful amd prayerful communal worship with the souls of all-inclusive society. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 5:16:17 PM | | What do you suppose would happen if an Iranian Christian would call the Ayatollah and say, "Ayatollah, my muslim friend, I'm a proud Iranian. I want to pray for your soul, and the souls of all muslims everywhere. I want to come to Tehran and organize a prayer meeting for about 200,000 of my fellow Christians"? Do you suppose they would be welcomed with open arms? After all, they would be praying for Iran. Something tells me that would a rather decisive "no". I personally believe organized religion of any flavor should be banned on a worldwide scale, but the chances of that happening are about the same as god or allah actually existing...fat, none. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 5:52:28 PM |
It amuses me how PC most of America has become. We are slowly becoming so progressive that the response to a mugging, instead of being a 2 JHP's to the chest, will finally evolve onto such a civil affair as to entail a polite request and a "no trouble at all, good sir" response. Continue in your "progression", and I will continue on my own path. Go ahead and hate yourself for all you have done to further yourself, I will embrace success. All I can see in this liberal, PC society, is a group of people who are so self-loathing that they would limit themselves at every turn. So self-loathing that their response to my thoughts on this would be to swing towards some extremist, polarizing conclusion as to what I mean by it.
I think this is an excellent post. I've thought for a long time that there was an unhealthy level of guilt that underlies the motives of the "progressive" movement. It was initially a movement that was well-intended and stood a chance at really helping a lot of people but over time became twisted and perverted into an obligatory type of self-oppression.
barbarity on the part of someone else is not an excuse for it on your part.
I'm not sure that was really the point. I think it's merely a question of consistency. Why is it that you don't appear as eager to hold others as accountable for the same misdeeds? | |
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| Islam Goes to bat for America
Posted: 9/23/2009 6:00:42 PM |
It amuses me how PC most of America has become. We are slowly becoming so progressive that the response to a mugging, instead of being a 2 JHP's to the chest, will finally evolve onto such a civil affair as to entail a polite request and a "no trouble at all, good sir" response. Continue in your "progression", and I will continue on my own path. Go ahead and hate yourself for all you have done to further yourself, I will embrace success. All I can see in this liberal, PC society, is a group of people who are so self-loathing that they would limit themselves at every turn. So self-loathing that their response to my thoughts on this would be to swing towards some extremist, polarizing conclusion as to what I mean by it.
right. the most heavily armed nation in the world (civilian or military) with the highest per capita prison population on the planet is real PC. all I can see in this gun waving, fundamentalist society, is a group of people who are so arrogant as to limit themselves at every turn. and anybody who calls their opponents self loathing doesn't have much room talk about polarization.
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Posted: 9/23/2009 9:16:14 PM | Let me be clear. I'd rather they were praying for individual souls, or for the "soul of a nation", than proselytyzing by .... ahem .... other means.
Don't be naive. No ideology, religion, or political force, organizes to this extent unless they want something specific themselves to come their way out of it. Do you really think that 50, 000 + people are going to go to the trouble and expense to travel and miss work in order to do what they could just as easily do in the privacy of their own homes, alone? Or, if the social itch is that important to them, that they couldn't satisfy it by many smaller, local groups coordinated in their home towns and cities? Ah, but then that wouldn't gain them any national publicity now, would it? What fun is it to be moral, pious, and good-hearted if no one else seems to realize it?
^^ Overall, I tend to agree with this guy on this thread topic. I think the whole thing has got a bit of posturing and maybe a bit of 'Eid holiday PR stunt to it, really, at base. I mean, as has already been said, why not just include the nation, or your fellow Americans, or the Western world or what-have-you, in the regular prayers in your own local mosque(s) and / or heart(s) , and just leave it at that? It strikes me as kind of like inviting a cameraman to go with you while you personally hand out alms for the poor or something like that.
That having been said, I'm not "offended" at all if someone wants to include me in their prayers in general, provided it's not done in that particular self-righteous sense of, "I'll pray for you", which strikes me , when used in that context, as a snivelingly polite way of saying "I can't stand you and/or your lifestyle and you're going to Hell, but.... I'm so charitable and pious that I'm going to pray for you...". Those kinds of prayers people can keep, or rather shove, IMO. There are certain types of general prayers though that I do find offensive, in a sense. For instance I think the way devout Orthodox Jews, such as Hasidim for example, pray each morning, part of it is offensive IMO. They say, as part of that prayer , thanks to God for not making them a woman , or a gentile. As a gentile I'm offended by that. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 9:37:35 PM | My experience and observation as well, especially the fundamentalist Christians in America. Some of the most mean spirited and arrogant, self righteous people ever in existence.
Generalize much?
My experiecnce and observation ... Not based on generalizations at all, based on direct experience and observation of such people.
...why do they need a big media buildup? It seems quite simple and not to be attributed to nefarious purposes. They want the world to know that Muslims are good people with good hearts and good intentions, that Muslim Americans love their country too....they, understandbly, believe that they are misunderstood and want to show the world the reality of Islam, that it is peace loving and its people are peace loving.
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Posted: 9/23/2009 11:00:58 PM | Ya because England already sold out to Sharia civil courts. Just wait a few years and when they get their criminal courts. You will be able to pack a Sunday picnic basket go down to local park to watch the poor Muslim kid that stole a candy bar get his hand cut off.
Caning
Stoning
Real freaking peaceful.
This crap takes place in every peaceful Muslim country, just check with Amnesty International.
They want a Caliphate and they all believe in it, some are doing it through terror and others are doing through a perverted civil rights movement.
If they don't believe int he Caliphate then they are not true Muslims by the Gospel of the Koran. | |
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Posted: 9/24/2009 12:37:44 AM | \\the world the reality of Islam, that it is peace loving and its people are peace loving. \\
Where is there evidence of this islamic utopia  | |
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Posted: 9/24/2009 5:10:40 AM |
Don't be naive. No ideology, religion, or political force, organizes to this extent unless they want something specific themselves to come their way out of it.
Naive, I am not. I understand that more than a purely religious ceremony, the event has political undertones in the American environment. They feel the need to counter the biased image of terrorism that the media has attached to the muslim world. They want to show that not all muslims are terrorists, and that American muslims love their country as much as Americans of any other faith. I, as an American who believe in the high ideals of our country, feel that they have every right to assemble, just like any other religious or political group.
And in terms of publicizing the event, I don't find any valid objection. I mean, the religious crusades of evangelists are very well publicized so that the public will fill the gigantic stadiums. Just think of the shows that Billy Graham used to put on. He had a decent reputation as a preacher, and many people respected him. Nowadays there are some scammers putting even larger shows than him. This event is nothing like that, so I don't see where the objections are coming from, unless people don't want them to have the right to assemble in public. Perhaps people think that they should stay in their confines without disturbing them, because the public space belongs to people of other faiths but not muslims.
Careful with the passive-aggressive ad hominem. It's unbecoming, in fact hypocritical, in those professing a peaceful amd prayerful communal worship with the souls of all-inclusive society.
Sorry to break it to you but I am not one of them, and I don't profess any of that. I just profess that they, as Americans, have the same rights as everybody else. You may not like them to have that right, and may think of any type of objections, but in the end it is as simple as that: do they have the same rights as everybody else, or not? Answer that, and then let's talk about the hypocritical part.
And as far as the supposedly "ad-hominem" attack, you got to develop a little bit of a thicker skin when debating these issues. You put yourself in a difficult position when you write such a general, simplistic reason for disqualifying the value of religious faith, such as the one that you achieved when you became a teenager. | |
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Posted: 9/24/2009 6:14:03 AM | Where is there evidence of this islamic utopia I have lived in two Islamic countries, have worked with and socialized with Muslims; as well, one of my very closest and dearest friends is Muslim, and I have been involved with her family in family outings, weddings, and staying in their home and they in mine. I work with now and have had and have now many students and co-worker who are Muslim.
Your understanding of Islam is terribly skewed, and you are very misinformed because of the limited way you see and understand the world. You are seeing an entire population, 1.2 billion people, as the same as a very limited number of terrorists. If you think, for example, that the people in the Middle East who have problems with Israel are more violent than Israel, you would be very wrong. Look more closely and honestly at history.
I didn't say anything about a utopia. I guess when people don't have an intelligent response, they try to hide behind hyperbole and ridicule. | |
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Posted: 9/24/2009 8:27:15 AM | Too bad that by exercising their right to freedom of religion they are offending you. I'll be offended by any damn thing I want to be offended by.
True enough. But keep in mind that no one suggested that you could not be offended; no one even suggested that you should not be offended. It is too bad that you're offended by this situation. It smacks of hatred. Hopefully it gives the wrong impression and you aren't hateful, but...that is the impression you're giving.
Where did you read that they will be praying for the souls of the unbelievers? Let me be clear. I'd rather they were praying for individual souls, or for the "soul of a nation", than proselytyzing by .... ahem .... other means.
Do you really think that 50, 000 + people are going to go to the trouble and expense to travel and miss work in order to do what they could just as easily do in the privacy of their own homes, alone? Or, if the social itch is that important to them, that they couldn't satisfy it by many smaller, local groups coordinated in their home towns and cities? Yes. Just ask the millions of Americans at the inauguration. Or the millions of Americans who have travelled to distant cities to participate in other events. I'm sure you will find this in Canada as well if you are interested. The next time something of interest to you is going on, shut off your computer, lock your door, and take a road trip. You might be suprised at what you find. Then you might begin to have a clear head about this subject.
What fun is it to be moral, pious, and good-hearted if no one else seems to realize it?
You have certainly demonstrated that you subscribe to this sentiment (except for the good-heartedness... on this thread at least.) So tell us, what makes it so fun? | |
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Posted: 9/24/2009 10:13:27 AM |
and anybody who calls their opponents self loathing doesn't have much room talk about polarization.
This was the only valid point in that entire post. The rest was merely a counter spin to what was previously posted.
We all see what we choose to see. Most of us only choose to look at what pisses us off. That doesn't mean the other stuff isn't there. It simply means we're too busy being angry to notice it. | |
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Posted: 9/24/2009 5:26:59 PM | from tranquilo123:
I understand that more than a purely religious ceremony, the event has political undertones in the American environment. They feel the need to counter the biased image of terrorism that the media has attached to the muslim world. They want to show that not all muslims are terrorists, and that American muslims love their country as much as Americans of any other faith.
Could you please give evidence for rampant discrimination and violence of Muslims within North America? Why do Muslims feel they are being browbeaten or threatened in America? You have affirmative action, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of religious choice, freedom of thought, for everyone, including Muslims. If these and many other freedoms and benefits to living in your great country aren't good enough for Muslims, what is it, in particular, that they're praying for?
And I seem to recall this story as being "prayers for America", not prayers for self-protection. So what is the real motive? America is corrupt, and so Muslims are praying for its "soul"? And if this is the reason, does this not tie in with Qur'anic law, that America needs prayers in order to "see the light", the light being conversion to Islam?
These are serious questions. And, again, it's naive to dismiss them, or to downplay their ideological propinquity to political transformation. And that has nothing to do with harmless "prayer".
I, as an American who believe in the high ideals of our country, feel that they have every right to assemble, just like any other religious or political group.
Could you please point out a single person on this thread who has not granted them the right to congregate and pray?
And in terms of publicizing the event, I don't find any valid objection. I mean, the religious crusades of evangelists are very well publicized so that the public will fill the gigantic stadiums. Just think of the shows that Billy Graham used to put on. He had a decent reputation as a preacher, and many people respected him. Nowadays there are some scammers putting even larger shows than him. This event is nothing like that, so I don't see where the objections are coming from
This is a false analogy. Billy Graham and others of the more respectable Christian ilk didn't organize their fellowship in football stadiums out of concern they were being oppressed. And they didn't have political motivations, aims and goals in mind, either.
Perhaps people think that they should stay in their confines without disturbing them, because the public space belongs to people of other faiths but not muslims.
You're beginning to sound like a one-note Johnny. Again, no one is denying Muslims', or any group's, right to assemble. You see, this is one of many areas where Muslims get a justifiably bad rap.
People criticize Islam.
Those people are "intolerant".
Therefore, those people should, under either "legal" lawfare, or physical threats, shut up.
Disagreement with their views and agenda not only equals intolerance, to Muslim activists, but"hatred". It must, therefore, be "eliminated".
Sorry, not in Canada. And not in the U.S.
I just profess that they, as Americans, have the same rights as everybody else. You may not like them to have that right, and may think of any type of objections, but in the end it is as simple as that: do they have the same rights as everybody else, or not? Answer that, and then let's talk about the hypocritical part.
And the needle goes "click-click-click-click" in its groove.
And as far as the supposedly "ad-hominem" attack, you got to develop a little bit of a thicker skin when debating these issues
I have a crusty skin to match my (at times) crusty personality. I'm simply offering you a gentle helping hand not to derail an important thread by going down the ad hominem road. Attack my ideas all you want; leave personal attacks out of the picture.
You put yourself in a difficult position when you write such a general, simplistic reason for disqualifying the value of religious faith, such as the one that you achieved when you became a teenager.
Please brush up on your reading comprehension skills.
As I already stated, the church-going till 14 was only the impetus for my views. A lot of soul-searching as to spiritual meaning (at the macro level), and a lot of reading, conversation, and observation, followed that-- 39 further years, in fact. And I'm still learning. I'd hope others would also pursue important texts, and look at the world through lenses a little less tainted with ideological smear. Though, of course, it's everyone's "right" not to do so, just as it's my right to show my disgust when I feel like it.
saharam:
It is too bad that you're offended by this situation. It smacks of hatred. Hopefully it gives the wrong impression and you aren't hateful, but...that is the impression you're giving.
Perfect! Are you from the "Human Rights" division? I don't know if you're a Canadian resident or not, but in either case, perhaps you've missed the terrifying, fascinating, and surreal theatre regarding Canada's "hate" laws here over the past few years. So much across-the-board disgust has mounted against the Muslim grievance-mongers in league with the "tolerant" (oh, cruel irony!) bureaucrats who've been fattening their coffers railroading innocent Canadians during that time, that it's with great pleasure I can announce one of their own overseers has finally, in all but final draft, stated that the section 13 phony "hate" laws have been struck down, and once again, people can, over the internet in particular, have a civil, critical, and meaningful discussion about a range of controversial topics without the Damocles sword of puffed-up pimps and apologists of PC entrenchment hanging over their heads.
Hate? Do you know what the word means? Why the hell aren't Muslims "praying", en masse, for girls getting clitorectomies? Getting stoned to death because they were raped, and have now brought "indignity" upon their families? Gays for being gay? These are people of their own faith. Who is protecting them? Or are all those sins "culturally relative"?
I don't hate Muslims, at least not the ones who don't take Mohammed's bloodthirsty words to heart. I hate the cultish momentum for Sharia, the craven groupthink.
It's none of your business who or what anyone else prays for, so your preference here is irrelevant.
By that specious logic, the OP's words are also irrelevant, since he's stated in post 1 that this mass prayerfest could be the means for a fantasy group hug.
And you've likewise found it relevant enough to chime in on what a positive force is this event.
I'm pro-pray, actually. Knee-jerk conclusions and indiscriminate reading are problems for the reactor. But I'm anti-"pray" when prayers are organized in mass rallies and with political intent. In fact, it debases the very idea of prayer, which should be, and is, defined as a private matter between one and one's God. As William Blake said, "would that everyone had a personal relationship with God". Are 50, 000 + simultaneous prayers all the same?
If not, how does Allah do all the rapid calculations to satisfy everyone? Wouldn't necessary compromise in such an event be impossible as to granting such different wishes?
If the prayers ARE the same, doesn't that speak to either (a) unimaginative, conformist prayers, or (b) a troubling, organizing agenda as to what's being prayed for? | |
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Posted: 9/24/2009 5:41:17 PM | ^^You yammer about, yet remove the questions from what you cut and paste.
At what point might you be willing to provide that clarity you speak of? The question was "where did you read that they will be praying for the souls of the unbelievers?" You responded by saying, "Let me be clear." And then you changed the subject. So... where, exactly, did you read that they will be praying for the souls of the unbelievers? | |
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Posted: 9/24/2009 5:45:47 PM |
At what point might you be willing to provide that clarity you speak of? The question was "where did you read that they will be praying for the souls of the unbelievers?" You responded by saying, "Let me be clear." And then you changed the subject. So... where, exactly, did you read that they will be praying for the souls of the unbelievers?
Um...from the same people who spread the word about Death Panels... | |
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Posted: 9/24/2009 6:01:41 PM | When I heard of this, my first thought was not a good idea.
I just keep having this weird thought. A whacko extremist will go amongst the crowd and blow himself up in the name of this Allah of theirs.
It is just a recipe for disaster if you ask me.
The security staff will have a very challenging task.
Talk about racial profiling...
Here is Canada we had something very very strange happen during an election in Québec. Women wearing veils would come in to vote. It was impossible to identify them nor recognize them. They insisted it was "against" their religion to remove their veils...
Anyway, it turned out that, (not sure if there were men dressed as women in viels), but it was proven that the same women (and/or men) came in the voting booth over and over and over again stating they were someone else...
Anyway, a law was then made that every citizen had to show their faces when they came to vote. This muslim community protested. Like... WTF
Oh yes, I also believe that they were part of a bigger group that wanted to implement the sharia laws in the areas they were living... IN CANADA... These people wanted to have their barbaric rules have precedence over our democratic system!!!
It did not go throught but it was a hot topic for a while.
Wonders if the muslims will find a way to bring the sharia laws in the US...
PS: Go have a look and this link about the sharia laws... Barbaric really...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
Here is an example:
<div class='quote'>Under 'Sharia' law non-Muslims must pay tax called Jizya if they want to live safely in Muslim states, otherwise the state refuses to protect them, even though it protects the Muslim citizens. Recently a minority community of Sikhs was forced to pay Jijia to live safely[82] in a Pakistani region controlled by Taliban.
Under Sharia a non-Muslim is worth half that of a Muslim (see Diyya) under certain circumstances; however, the dominant school of thought--the Hanafi school--is of the opinion that a non-Muslim is equal to a Muslim in worth in terms of Diyya.
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| Islam Goes to bat for America
Posted: 9/24/2009 6:15:53 PM | ^^No one ever said you had to agree.
Point taken, though. The gathering should be called off because many of the participants might look similar in ethnicity to the Iraqis orchestrating 9/11. Oh, no... wait... they weren't Iraqis... eh, they all look the same.
I am going to write my senators immediately requesting that they sponsor a bill to have white gatherings only. That way the racial profiling you speak of will be much easier and the "security staff" won't be so "challenged."
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