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Posted: 10/9/2009 6:58:14 AM | | This is a funny thread............arguing about athletic build.........like everyone else I think its is more about how you look than whether or no you are actually athletic..I think athletic means a more lean muscular look....I put athletic on mine cuz I am an athlete, not because I am lean.....lol but put what you want it doesn't really matter people will view your pics and make their own assessment... | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 3:05:04 PM | .... and very nice you look too Squelchmeister ... the shirt shows off your physique better than the T shirt as that is a little too baggy round the abs  Though having said that I prefer to see a guy in a nice fitting T shirt rather than a proper shirt.
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Posted: 10/9/2009 5:27:16 PM | But the question 'what body type' has NOTHING to do with personal fitness. It's not performance based at all, it's entirely visual/aesthetic.
Says you. Some people agree with you, but not everyone missy. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 6:02:05 PM | ^^^ Exactly! Are we going to let plus sized women say they have athletic body types simply because they can run 8k and play in a recreational volleyball league?
As some of us have stated, it's aesthetic based, not performanced.
SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS USERS NEED TO FACTOR IN THEIR VANITY LEVEL WHEN CONSIDERING WHAT TO LIST THEIR BODY TYPE AS INSTEAD OF USING PERFORMANCE BASED RESULTS. YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT IS SO MUCH BETTER. I ALREADY KNOW THE COUNTER ARGUMENT: KNOWLEDGE OF SELF APPEARANCE DOESN'T MAKE ONE VAIN. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2009 7:23:22 AM | POF Admin, PLease HELP
Body type is too subjective and nearly useless.
Average does not mean 20 pounds overweight
A few extra pounds doesn't mean obese
Athletic can be fat or skinny
SUGESSTION
Height and weight required would end all this mess.
Then the viewer can decide for themselves.
For example, I think a woman of 5-4 and 112 pounds is just right for me,
where someone else might find her a bit skinny and be much more
comfortable with a soft and curvy 5-4 and 140 pounds.
Please just let US decide the physical part that we are attracted to . | |
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Posted: 10/15/2009 7:51:44 AM |
SUGESSTION
Height and weight required would end all this mess.
Then the viewer can decide for themselves.
Helpful for women, but virtually useless for a lot of men. If you're 5'10"-6' and spend five years lifting weights religiously and weigh 220lbs you could well have a nice six pack and look completely different to a man of the same height and weight who's never been to the gym in his life, despite having the same measurements.
Ultimately everyone has different definitions of these body types and short of submitting naked photos of yourself and letting admin decide, there will always be large variations within the definitions. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2009 8:20:33 AM |
Helpful for women, but virtually useless for a lot of men. If you're 5'10"-6' and spend five years lifting weights religiously and weigh 220lbs you could well have a nice six pack and look completely different to a man of the same height and weight who's never been to the gym in his life, despite having the same measurements.
What about us women who lift religiously?
I probably could have been way past my goal weight had I not been lifting what I do. If I keep the rate I am, I am going to be a "healthy" size and look... yet my weight will still be high. There are several other female body builders and weight lifters who will never weigh under 175. You want their chances on a dating site to be base lined on the numbers on their scales?
No... that option is NOT helpful (nor fair) to women same as is it not for men. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2009 8:28:02 AM |
What about us women who lift religiously?
I probably could have been way past my goal weight had I not been lifting what I do. If I keep the rate I am, I am going to be a "healthy" size and look... yet my weight will still be high. There are several other female body builders and weight lifters who will never weigh under 175. You want their chances on a dating site to be base lined on the numbers on their scales?
No... that option is NOT helpful (nor fair) to women same as is it not for men.
It can be misleading for women too, but nowhere near to the same extent as with men, simply because women don't have the same capacity to build muscle. If a woman spends 10 years bodybuilding religiously, she might, if she has good genetics, gain 25lbs of lean muscle in that time frame... a man will more than likely be looking at well over 100lbs of muscle gained over the same period of time. So while for females with large amounts of muscle numbers can be misleading, it's not to anywhere near the same extent as for men.
And no, in case you missed my point, I was arguing that the numbers thing is a stupid way of measuring build. At no point did I suggest that men and women should have different ways on here of noting build, just that for the overwhelming majority of women, including lifters, it's quite helpful. I mean, really, even if you take a woman who's been bodybuilding two or three years (assuming she's not on steroids/other hormonal supplements), how much muscle do you think she's going to have put on? 15lbs in two years is being very optimistic for a natural woman lifter, that's hardly enough to severely sway the numbers, assuming the same bodyfat percentage.
You almost never, ever see a woman who can genuinely be called muscular. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2009 8:36:44 AM | | Perhaps you could illustrate your point better if you provided an example including pictures of a female bodybuilder who has never used steroids and included her height and weight (bodyfat percentage not necessary, it can be estimated through pictures). | |
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Posted: 10/15/2009 8:55:50 AM | Again. Body type on the site is use to describe how thier body looks. Now how healthy they may or
may not be. Again. I go to the gym 3 times a week, for 90 minutes. Before the snow I was biking 22km a day. When our pool opens I'll be lane swimming an hour on my cardio days. I also snowboard 1 - 3 days a week during the ski season
All athletic pursuits. I've dropped 50lbs in the process, went from a 44" waist to a 36" waist (a couple weeks and I'll be moving into 34's" but I will not change to athletic body type until you can see my abs, which i'd guess is another 20 - 30lbs from now. I'm happy being "average" though I'm not, according to the BMI, then again 175lbs at 5'11" is never never land for me. I'll be happy at a good solid 185lbs.
Average covers a lot of ground, and looking around i'm tempted to put athletic, in comparison to some of the "average" people here, but I'm holding off, until I clearly define an athletic body.
I have my height and weight posted on my profile. I weigh myself every morning, on my scale, naked.
If you want ladies, I could weigh myself on your scale...
In the morning....
Naked.
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(j/k) | |
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Posted: 10/15/2009 8:58:52 AM | it can be estimated through pictures
But this is exactly my point and what I was saying. Numbers will never say what posting a picture will. I wasn't getting into an argument of female body weight... I was saying one can very much look (and be) in shape/healthy, yet the numbers make them sound obese.
However, for example, Denise Masino is 5'3" and in her off season weighs 143. If one did not know she was a body builder and only saw "Female; 5'3; 143 pounds" They'd instantly think she was over weight.
I have been joking with myself and friends that at the rate my body is going and the way my muscle is building, I am going end up a size 6 and weigh 200 pounds. I am not on steroids... my body just seems to be some sort of freak in the muscle department. I, personally, have had to learn that the numbers on the scale really means nothing. I had to learn it first hand through trying to lose weight and realizing I am not losing pounds all that fast. I just wish others understand that just putting someone's stats on a dating site won't solve anything. It'll only add the chance for more people to be even more cruel than they already are. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2009 9:05:59 AM | I'm not being funny, but I just Googled Denise Masino and she is NOT natural. I don't want to get too graphic, but a picture of her vagina came up and her clit was absolutely huge, clearly enlarged from use of male hormones. On top of that she had a square jaw and a huge amount of muscle, the sort a woman only develops from using steroids, male hormones. Clearly such women are subject to the same statistical misinterpretations as men, but when you're talking women who have never used male hormones it's a completely different ball game.
There aren't that many natural female bodybuilders all that much bigger than Jamie Eason, women just don't naturally have the hormonal equipment to build a lot of muscle. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2009 9:07:12 AM | Seriously, look at this woman's face (receding hairline, square jaw) and how much muscle she has:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2-7AdSkZA7I/STguaTEwMwI/AAAAAAAATTw/AJKBju3RKng/s400/Denise+Masino-fitness.jpg
That is not a woman who has never used steroids. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2009 9:10:15 AM |
I, personally, have had to learn that the numbers on the scale really means nothing. I had to learn it first hand through trying to lose weight and realizing I am not losing pounds all that fast. I just wish others understand that just putting someone's stats on a dating site won't solve anything
yep. For me the lbs are dropping. But I find how my pants fit is a better indicator. It's always a nice feeling to move to that next smaller belt loop.
Put 10 people in a room, all the same height and weight, they will all look different. Everyone carries their weight differently. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2009 9:17:42 AM | It's so easy to tell which female bodybuilders have used juice and which ones haven't. Take a look at this one:
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/asc2006/P3041167.JPG
She looks EXACTLY like a man with a wig.
Now this one:
http://www.realbodybuilding.com/natsquad.jpg
Beautiful face. Sure, the second one is carrying some muscle, but nothing compared to the first, and the first isn't one of the bigger steroid using female bodybuilders. Are you telling me the second one is carrying 40lbs more muscle than another woman of "athletic" build her height? I don't think so, 10lbs at the most. | |
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Posted: 10/16/2009 3:55:06 PM | look at my profile pics and tell me if im average or athletic. i cant really see myself without being dissapointed in how i look
that being said, really! its just looks, and looks get boring . even the hottest looking woman has been dumped by somebody. personality lasts and is what's more important in the long run. | |
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Posted: 10/16/2009 4:51:25 PM | With all due respect, if someone decided to click on Denise Masino's profile based solely on her height and weight, they'd be getting quite the surprise.
In her case, her "reported" weight doesn't seem to fluctuate much, but bodybuilders' physiques often morph widely between on- and off-season. It's one thing to claim to have a lot of muscle, but if there's a load of fat covering it, that might change what body type one selects for their profile. | |
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Posted: 10/16/2009 5:03:25 PM | The point I was trying to make was that it's ignorant to look at someone's height and weight and think THAT is the best criteria of deciding if they are healthy or in shape enough to date.
As for the topic of the thread.... people should be honest with themselves and put what category best describes them... along with a picture. EVERYONE! Not just the ones who could be considered overweight. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2009 2:09:12 AM |
The point I was trying to make was that it's ignorant to look at someone's height and weight and think THAT is the best criteria of deciding if they are healthy or in shape enough to date.
And the point I was trying to make is that it's a lot more of a relevant way for women than for men because women don't have the same genetic capacity to build anywhere near as much muscle as men. You cited Denise Masino as a counterexample but she's clearly used large quantities of male hormones so fits in outside of the point I'm making about natural women. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2009 5:42:13 AM | Okay, I will use myself as an example.
I have lost ten pant sizes in the last year (almost getting into another one)... but only 50 pounds. I bench press and squat a rather impressive weight for a man... let alone a woman. My legs are solid and cut and my arms are following suit. I DO hold a lot of muscle. Like I said, at this rate, I will still be close to 200 pound range when I hit a decent size and shape. It would be completely unfair to have to put my height and weight and ignorantly be judged solely on that. ESPECIALLY after losing so much weight and inches AND being able to lift what I lift.
The point is... the men of this site seem to be so obsessed with the number on a scale that they feel it is a waste of their time to learn about the person the numbers belong to.
Ex:
Height and weight required would end all this mess.
Then the viewer can decide for themselves.
For example, I think a woman of 5-4 and 112 pounds is just right for me,
where someone else might find her a bit skinny and be much more
comfortable with a soft and curvy 5-4 and 140 pounds.
If this man saw no picture of a 5'4"; 140 pound woman... he assumes she is soft and curvy.... not well built and muscular.
Making women put their numbers... yet saying men differ so much there is no need.... | |
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Posted: 10/17/2009 5:51:04 AM | | im qiute lean i ride a cycle everywhere so im super fit but what the hell are those two blobs just above me clutus mxmas, you say love handles i think there horrible. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2009 6:43:48 AM | How tall are you though? I'd be extremely surprised if you were 200lbs with well defined abs unless you're about 6'3" or something.
Perhaps it's different perceptions of body image, but I suspect either you'd weigh far, far less than that or you wouldn't be anywhere near as lean as you think you'd be.
I mean, take Lee Priest for example. He's 1 inch shorter than you and yet his competition weight is only 200lbs. Granted he'd be carrying a few less pounds of fat than you and is REALLY lean and dehydrated, but do you really think you'd be carrying anywhere NEAR this much muscle? Even if he was just lean as opposed to REALLY lean and not dehydrated he still wouldn't be much more than 220-230, and he's an inch shorter than you. Are you saying that if he was as lean and hydrated as you will likely be there's only going to be a 20-30lb difference in terms of muscle mass?
http://www.ironmagazine.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/lee-priest.jpg
That's a man an inch shorter than you weighing 200lbs. You think you would have the same weight being only slightly less lean? Come on, get real. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2009 7:27:28 AM | | Napaulm I'd say you are definitely athletic. That's my goal to be slim and trim with some muscle. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2009 12:44:58 PM | napaulm definately gorgeously athletic but I am sure you know that already. We all have a different reflection staring back at us when we look in the mirror to what other people see and none more so than those of us who are training hard to achieve a certain goal pertaining to strength/shape/body composition.
My weight doesn't worry me as it isn't my goal to lose any...if it drops then that doesn't worry me either so long as my muscle mass doesn't drop as it is all to do with achieving that personal ideal.
What MD says about stating your weight is right when you are building muscle, if I just wrote my height/weight ratio I would be percieved to be heavier looking than I am. I am a uk size 8 but before I started using weights I was 14lbs lighter to fit in to the same size! | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 4:07:55 AM | | Being athetic is more than about being thin. For men its about being able to lift more than your body weight for reps, not a single one-two time max, in certain areas(bench press, pullups, dips, squats,etc) and being able to work out hard playing basketball, or going up stairs without tiring quickly. You should have a fairly low body fat percentage and have some muscular results to show. | |
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