| PhD Dating and dating PhD's
Posted: 9/30/2009 12:23:56 AM |
but being smart isnt about knowing facts...its about knowing how to recognize facts.
Knowing facts is what undergraduate students do when they take a multiple choice test. That's why they're not Ph.D.s. It's not about recognizing facts either.
Ph.D.s create knowledge through sound reasoning -- scientific methodology.
But, so what? I mean, my latest book, using regression analysis to posit theories about creating "wealth" in America, doesn't make me an expert on "reading" signals of interest from women. My sisters tell me I'm a "dunce" at it. And, yeah, I agree.
I may be a consultant for a certain governor and state senator on how to beef up the small business sector in the U. S., but that doesn't make me an expert on romance.
I'll be the first to admit that I suck at it. Have a lot to learn. Didn't cover that in theory or statistics class. | |
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| PhD Dating and dating PhD's
Posted: 9/30/2009 7:36:43 AM |
Ph.D.s create knowledge through sound reasoning -- scientific methodology.
Now that's sexy. Who wouldn't want to date a ph.d? | |
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| PhD Dating and dating PhD's
Posted: 9/30/2009 8:43:28 PM | Having a doctorate just means you know a hell of a lot about whatever your doctorate is in. Granted most doctors are pretty smart cookies to be sure, but it doesn't make you smart about everything. A buddy of mine has his PhD in physics - ask him anything about physics he has an answer, anything else and he's lost in the woods. He dates a model btw, who isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but she's a sweetheart and they get on famously. I'd say a monetary discrepancy would be a far greater problem than level of education or raw intelligence.
Besides, even as breeding goes there's no guarentee to geniuses will produce a genius child, and a lot of dumb couples produce bright kids. It's the ol' genetic lottery. | |
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Posted: 9/30/2009 10:05:29 PM | Have you ever seen The Royal Tenenbaums? Gene Hackman and Angelica Huston have three children that are geniuses. One is Gwyneth Paltrow (yum) and the other two are Luke and Owen Wilson. They are clearly no good at raising children. The children are really good at being successful but not at life. In fact no character is. However because the kids are great at some stuff Angelica Huston's character writes a book called Raising Genius.
Everybody fails famously. All the failures are due to hubris. Sounds a lot like the posturing on this site, doesn't it?
Krebby: if you keep being so self-effacing, and get a sex change, I may fall in love with you. I wish I could argue with you. I wish it were true that education makes the difference. My world would make more sense, but you're right: what makes one click with another is not education. It's something else, isn't it? I sure wish it were quantifiable.
I haven't made anyone feel awkward, have I? | |
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| PhD Dating and dating PhD's
Posted: 10/2/2009 12:08:05 AM | 
Naw, no worms here, just fish bait. For the record, I run on AC Power, as at least one of the female POFers can attest to, hehe.
Jes wanted to get back at ol Vichy there some. Is anyone feeling awkward? | |
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Posted: 10/12/2009 1:19:59 AM | Could it be true that some poffers with post grad degrees opt to state 'some university' in lieu of a more specific description.????!!!
Come out,,,come out of the closet all 'Phenomally Hot Dates',,,and 'Masters and Mistresses  
Ahhhhh,,,easier said than done,,,,hmmmm,,,, maybe a support group ,,,,I'm thinking,,,,,,,,ummmmmmmm,,,,ok,,,it could be called,,,PG'S ANONOMOUS
ok,,,I'll go now
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Posted: 10/12/2009 6:25:14 AM | I don't know if having a Ph.D. is a problem in dating. I'm still doing the ground work to earn one. Currently I am working on my Master's in Business (Supply Chain Management). Once that's done I would like to work on my Ph. D. in Operation's Management. My desire for this is because I wish to move Armies around the world, and keep them properly equipped. (Our Army) However, I'm realistic after all this course work, I might be able to get a job at FedEX.
Having a Ph.D. has nothing to do with level of intellegence. It does say a lot about a person's commitment to education. There Drive and ambition. It will take forever for me to obtain my goal between working full-time, rasieing my son, and the other trials of life but this is something that I desire for myself and I will have one even if I am 90 when I finish. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2009 10:36:57 AM | I would never discriminate based on education. But when i see phd there i admit it does make me raise an eyebrow.
Smartest guy I ever knew though, who i met and became friends with from here incidentally, only had his grade 12. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2009 2:30:27 PM | I got my doctorate about 15 years ago. It takes alot of work and dedication. Its not easy and it proves you have determination, stamina, passion and intelligence. Very few people in society attain that level of education. I wish more did. It wasnt hard in an academic sense, anyone can do the work. The hard part is sticking with something.
Ph.D.s for the most part dont make alot of money. Lawyers, doctors, even chiropractors will earn more, to say nothing of dentists, entrepeneurs and successful fashion designers.
Date a Ph.D. and see for yourself. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2009 8:44:12 PM | just the whole dissertation thing scares the poop out of me, and facing all those docs or whoever it is for your area.
i asked one of the philosophy gals i had for a few classes...she did a 600 page "paper" on Socrates. that's just...wrong! hah. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 6:22:09 PM | This is an interesting topic...and this is my first posting in any of the pof forums. Yes, a newbie.
I have taken a brief read through the comments, and my reaction is that there seem to many many assumptions being expressed about and apparently by phuds (PhDs). Drone on and on? I don't think that's necessarily the case.
I for instance like to laugh and to play. I love good sexy music and love to dance. I also live in various countries. I like my life and think that it is a pretty good life. Getting my phud allowed me to learn and access so much more than I would otherwise have been able to.
I enjoy conversations and debates, about all sorts of topics. As a phud I guess that I have a predilection for reading and indeed am an avid reader. I'm pretty up on politics but tend to avoid those kinds of discussions because they are usually dead ends, and generate lots of heat and no fire. Same with religion.
Many of my partners have had phuds, and that was terrific. I have also just ended an 11 year relationship with someone who had no university. And I loved and respected him deeply and enjoyed his company.
I guess that there are lots of phuds who are boring, but so are many folks on our planet. In general, it is an amazing piece of luck to discover someone with whom you share chemistry and physics. And good biology. And then theres the talk and laughter. And the vibes!
(oops...have I been droning?) | |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 7:11:18 AM | ^^^
Lovely post, but you ruined it by using that awful "C" word.
As for the topic, for me it's all about intelligence rather than academic achievement – something which isn't always a good indicator of an individual's intelligence. | |
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Posted: 10/16/2009 7:18:32 PM | "Having a Ph.D. has nothing to do with level of intellegence."
Aside from the spelling error from a masters student...(gentle poke)...
I take issue with this. Its very hard for many of my new undergrad students to spell their names, much less complete a doctorate. Only a rare few can go on to complete a masters and even rarer the doctorate.
Its discouraging to work for something so long and so hard and make so many sacrifices, only to have people put you down for it. It denegrates a solid institution and it denegrate our committment to learning, to improving the world. No, a Ph.D. does not mean you are better than anyone else, but it does show intelligence. I dont want to live in a world where ones initiative and abilities are continually undervalued, thats Chairman Mao's China and we all know what a lovely place that became.. | |
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Posted: 10/16/2009 7:25:34 PM | | I will remember to keep the webster's online dictionary open. I tend to get sloppy with my writing in a less formal atmoshere. Sometimes we need to be reminded of these things right. So thanks. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2009 12:12:10 AM |
I got my doctorate about 15 years ago. It takes alot of work and dedication. Its not easy and it proves you have determination, stamina, passion and intelligence. Very few people in society attain that level of education. I wish more did. It wasnt hard in an academic sense, anyone can do the work. The hard part is sticking with something.
And this is different from anyone who achieves mastery in a field how? My father was a master carpenter. You think that was easy? Most tradesmen will never achive it. People can get doctorates in all manner of things that are ridiculous and provide no real benefit to society ouside of academia. So an what use than, really, is an impractical PhD? Shit man, I'd say it's a lot harder driving a cab or working in a factory for 20 years, and at least those people are producing someting beyond mental masturbation. You think going to school for 6-8 years takes stamina compared to a guy getting up at 5Am every day for 20 years and busting his hump? Give me a ****ing break. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2009 5:10:46 AM | | ^^^ I would say the General Petraus's Ph.D. aided him in his stategy for the surge in Iraq. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2009 10:35:00 AM |
My father was a master carpenter. You think that was easy?
Becoming a master in any trade usually takes in total about a year of classes at a tech college, three to five years of apprentice work to become a journeyman and another six week to eight week course to be designated a master of a trade. Compared to getting a ph.d in any field, it's really really easy. I'm sure your dad was the greatest carpenter ever, but his master designation was not the reason he was so great. He likely was a creative and smart guy who could do things no one else could. I've met some clueless master tradesmen. Being a master qualifies you to pull permits at city hall. It doesn't mean you know the state of the art in your trade. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2009 10:41:37 AM | | I thought this thread was about compatiblity. Or is about who is smarter greater? I disagree with the above post about being a master in a trade. It depends on the Trade. Aviation (the trade I had in the Army) required a year of schooling. Now the FAA requires an additional 3 years of schooling for the license to work in my field. On top of that I need to have a min. of 5 years of hands on work experience to even be considered for a job. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2009 11:00:30 PM | Mastering a trade and becoming a ph.d are two totally different things. As a lot of people have mentioned, ph.d's are expected to add to the body of knowledge in their field. Doing so requires not only mastery of the field of existing knowledge, but the crux of doctoral work is the original dissertation produced by every candidate. Mastering a trade may require you to know every last component of every last airplane ever built, but the moment you start being "creative" and trying to advance the existing knowledge in your field with original thought, you're going to get yelled at for not following the rules and not doing things in the proven manner and in the way that the people before you who know more than you have decided is the best way to do things. Do you really want plumbers to have ph.d's? Or would you rather they just did things using the proven method? I seriously don't want a creative plumber in my house. I'm not saying there aren't moments in any tradesperson's working life where their tasks may require original thought and creativity. That's what makes good tradespeople and bad tradespeople. But in general, the tasks required of tradespeople stops at knowledge acquisition.
Some people get honorary ph.d degrees based on their achievments. Their accomplishments have warranted the degree without ever picking up a book at the institute that conferred the degree. I can't say that I've ever heard of someone getting an honorary master's ticket in any trade. The concept doesn't even make sense. That's the difference in the two. I've banged my head against a wall long enough to know that the path to getting a ph.d is much much more difficult and requires much more work, struggle, and commitment than getting a master's ticket does. I'm certain I could get a master's ticket in any trade in about five years. I seriously doubt I could come up with enough original thought to get another ph.d in my my lifetime. Anyone of average intelligence can take either path and be successful. | |
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Posted: 10/18/2009 9:55:27 AM | ^^^^ I think you may way overestimate the amount of creativity allowed someone in getting a Ph.D.
Your "you're going to get yelled at for not following the rules and not doing things in the proven manner and in the way that the people before you who know more than you have decided is the best way to do things" could just as easily apply to a grad student being kept in line by a thesis advisor. In other words, I'm skeptical that very many doctoral students are allowed to really do anything truly original. That might show up too many of the tenured faculty!
What many trades and academia have in common is that they are both guilds -- "any of various medieval associations, as of merchants or artisans, organized to maintain standards and to protect the interests of its members, and that sometimes constituted a local governing body" -- which operate along very similar principles. Doctoral students and post-docs are really just apprentices learning their trade. | |
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Posted: 10/18/2009 5:48:17 PM | What the hell as any of this got to do with dating a Ph.D.?
Personally, I prefer to be taught intellectual things by someone with a Ph.D., get my house fixed by master carpenter, have my car designed by an engineer, dine out on food prepared by a chef, etc., etc., etc.. And I'd see any of them as eligible dates if I wanted a date, and they were the right gender. | |
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Posted: 10/18/2009 6:28:37 PM | I'm a woman with a phud and sometimes I think I shouldn't mention it, that it scares men away. I didn't get mine until I was 46. The last LTR I had was with someone who had barely finished high school and I always considered him my intellectual equal. I've known a lot of really smart people without fancy degrees, and a lot of really dumb people with them. If I meet someone I find compatible I don't care what their level of education is as long as they don't make an issue of mine.
So what do you all think? Should I mention the phud in my profile or not? | |
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