HO2
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Msg: 251 | |
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Posted: 10/17/2009 6:20:09 AM | Please elaborate on what they are missing in Germany
The standard of living while good, is nowhere close to what it is here in the states.
It would appear they have a holiday every other week and take 4 week vacations every year
They work less hours, pay taxes and actually Expect elected officials to produce/work/get results | |
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Posted: 10/17/2009 6:30:46 AM | | i don ,t think anybody has any rights, you could just totaly disapear if the coverment wanted it that way "and no one would be any the wiser" | |
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Posted: 10/17/2009 6:40:16 AM | | Elevators was the first thing I noticed. lol. However the living quarters are smaller. Not everyone has a car. The last time I was there they would be about 10 years behind the US. Just to name a few. | |
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HO2
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Msg: 254 | |
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Posted: 10/17/2009 7:36:52 AM | ^Most people in New York City don't have a car --and they would do well to take the stairs
Europe in general - living quarters are a bit smaller, more energy efficient, and they have less to clean - win !
Behind on what exactly -
In Europe the GSM (Global System for Mobile communications) digital mobile phone
system is used for German Handys and digital cell phones across most of the continent.
GSM: 331.5 million - (130 countries in Europe, Asia, Africa, etc.)
In the Americas, the wireless phone situation is much more tangled.
In the USA you need to know terms like CDMA, TDMA, PCS, and other tech abbreviations.
Germany is the world leader in product exports.
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Posted: 10/17/2009 8:14:42 AM |
I vote to establish an American Party.
When I was in high school I invented a new party called the "Libertarian Dictator".
I was...well....not entirely joking but "half-joking" I suppose. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2009 9:53:28 AM | HO2 it was mostly on popular culture. However I'd like to address the technologies issues your brought up. It is comparing Apples and Oranges.
German Economy 2008 GDP 2.9 Trillion Dollars (6th in the World)
Geman Land Mass: 384, 642 Sq KM (69th in the world)
US Economy 2008 GDP 14.26 Trillion Dollars (second in the World)
US Land Mass 9,161,966 sq KM 3 third larges country in the World followed by Russia and Canada. The entire EU is 1/3 the entire land mass of the US.
Source: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gm.html
It is easier to handle a smaller land mass, and keep up with new Infastructures (Communication Towers ect.) As far as homes being more energy efficent. It really depends on the age of a home. A engery star home of the 1990's isn't as nearly efficent as one built today. That has a lot to do with improvements in building materials, more effienct appliances. It is on the individal home (property) owner to keep up with their homes to make it as effenct as possiable. If the US wasn't a Contenital Country it would easier keep up with new Tech. Many European countries, are the size of individual states, thus easier to manage. So look at the size of the economy in comparison to land mass.
I hope to to eventually ditch my day job, to start a wind-turbine home power generation company. Right now it will just remain a garage hobby until have a large enough cleintle
DCoffman I don't care for Dictators, no matter there politcal persuation. Aristotle said it best. Absoulte power corrupts Absoultely. Just think about all the Selfish things you'd do if you were above the fray? A large third party would keep the other two honest. But it is up to us to make sure we hold them accountable. That is how you keep your rights | |
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Posted: 10/17/2009 11:11:54 AM |
But it is up to us to make sure we hold them accountable. That is how you keep your rights
My idea is that may not be enough.
What if the dictatorship was centered around FORCING you to keep your rights, and more than anything, FORCING you to be accountable to yourselves? | |
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Posted: 10/17/2009 12:05:39 PM | Hey DC
you wrote:
"So, if I'm understanding you correctly, the basis for your argument is that citizens of socialist countries can't move?"
Lets see, what happens if you try to leave the self procalimed socialist paradise of cuba? How about north korea? Should I go on?
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HO2
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Joined: 10/11/2008
Msg: 259 | |
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Posted: 10/17/2009 1:35:20 PM | Not all nationalist/socialist countries are the same or should be lumped into one pot.
Just because someone had a bad experience once, doesn't damn the entire political genre.
http://www.politicalresources.net/europe.htm
I never knew landmass suddenly made for effective government and leading edge policies .
Somehow I remember Bush STEALING an election
The same standard should apply to counting all ballots statewide. No second-guessing.
No bending the rules for dimpled ballots or hanging chads.
No mercy for those seniors who complained they intended to vote for Gore
but, because of the confusing butterfly ballot, ended up voting for Reform candidate Pat Buchanan.
The election in Florida was not conducted fairly nor ended fairly.
History is powerful stuff - too bad America has a literacy problem.......... | |
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Posted: 10/17/2009 1:48:02 PM | socialist has a little bit of a 'something for nothing' ring to it.
welfare isn't for free, someone has to pay.
canadian health care isn't for free, somebody has to pay for it.
how can most of us take more out of it then we put in?
going to fail eventually, isn't it?
can we afford trying to give people that last [very expensive] year of life?
I'm talking about stalling the inevitable.
correct me if I am wrong. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2009 1:56:31 PM | Hey HO2
As far as I know, most of the socialist leaning countries are not that hard to get into. Some of the more strident socialist ones are hard to move to....................... , BUT,
If the USA is such a chithole, why stay?
As far as an election being stolen, if I remember correctly, it do go through the proper judicial steps, but then of course, the illuminati or the masons or the pope or the rothscholds or the pope, or the rockefellers stepped in and changed the outcome. I am really sorry they did that.
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Posted: 10/17/2009 4:29:45 PM | The 2000 election and the three counties that were counted, were the ones picked by Albert Gore's legal team. These were heavily Democratic areas, he was playing the probablity. Gore's team had all there challenges heard. It really should've gone to a vote by the Congress as dictated by the Constitution, but that is an arguement for legal historians to argue until the stars burn out. In the end no election was stolen. W. Bush isn't a evil, or as stupid as people make him out to be. He was just very unimpressive as a President.
As far as land mass that was directly in response to your infastructure arguement. Population is also a factor. Mortality, Immigration and so on.
DC you know that you have the power to change your government every 2 years without blood being spilled. Without a shot being fired? Or mass maheim and distruction? What a birth right you have. You won't be so quick to scream war or revolt if you've ever had a bullet wiz by your head, or seen how violent men can be. What a Amazing right we have. The right to Vote and bring about political change! | |
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HO2
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Joined: 10/11/2008
Msg: 263 | |
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Posted: 10/17/2009 10:03:27 PM | UN-fortunately those that have the right to vote are lazy
The level of intellectual LAZINESS has risen dramatically.
I do think constant immersion in the mindlessness of 24/7 pop culture media
has lulled a huge portion of the planet's population into simply not bothering to think,
read, question or to spend any amount of meditative time analyzing the world around them.
Some may claim those with the lowest IQs tend to marry earlier
and have more kids creating a new generation sooner .
The most highly educated generally do not have as many children .
It's easier to govern stupid lazy people - it's almost a self fulfilling prophecy !
I truly believe Pet Rock could NOT have worked in any other nation on earth other than the USA
Entrepreneurial freedom is a large part of why I enjoy staying in the USA. | |
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Posted: 10/18/2009 11:21:49 AM | No one puts it quite as eloquently as the late, great George Carlin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWiBt-pqp0E | |
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HO2
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Joined: 10/11/2008
Msg: 265 | |
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Posted: 10/18/2009 1:31:13 PM | ^George Carlin does an excellent summary on Rights - nice find, thank you Chrysalis !
The Bill of Temporary Privileges is indeed business as usual for the USA government.
My first taste of the idiotic mythical idea of "Seperation of Church & State" occurred
exactly in the state of New Jersey with it Blue Laws.
A blue law is a type of law, designed to enforce religious standards,
and it specifically created a restriction on Sunday shopping in New Jersey.
Thank Blue Laws for prohibitions on the sale of alcoholic beverages on Sundays.
I guess buying a 6 pack of beer at 11:00 am on Sunday to bring to the afternoon BBQ
somehow infringes on some idiots Right to pray to a mythical invisible being in the sky.
But if I was at a bar in New Jersey at 2:30 am , I could buy a 6 pack ""from the bar itself""
as packaged goods to put in my car for the drive home --what a complete crock of nonsense that was.
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HO2
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Joined: 10/11/2008
Msg: 267 | |
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Posted: 10/18/2009 6:58:38 PM | ^Quid est veritas? What is truth? -- it's always about the money
ooooh sorry I was day dreaming there Gadget
-Establishment clause versus the free exercise clause
The writers of our constitution chose the issue of religion to address first
--which hints at the absolute permanent marriage of church and state forever and ever ! | |
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Posted: 10/26/2009 7:01:39 AM |
What a Amazing right we have. The right to Vote and bring about political change!
How can the vote effect political change when the "liberal", Tweedledee and "Conservative", Tweedledum both work for the same invisible government (the bankers), and only do as they are told?
Seeing as most people prefer "sound bites" to real discourse on matters like economics or monetary policy (which in general, they are "trained" (by omission) to be ignorant of in the "educational" system), I thought it instructive that some short quotes from people "in the know" would be easier for most to understand.:
http://www.themoneymasters.com/quotations.htm
In short, the people you vote for are nothing more than a choice between left or right hand puppets. The puppeteer has run our countries for about a hundred years. | |
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HO2
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Joined: 10/11/2008
Msg: 270 | |
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Posted: 10/26/2009 11:47:24 AM | Wow, that's an amazing amount of rhetoric to take in and weed through - most people won't unfortunately
Generally speaking people like simple - with no reading or real thinking.
It's only "real" if it happens on television.
Slowly "real" is beginning to kick people in the teeth, losing their jobs, houses, cars, 401k's
Overthrow of lame, lazy, money slurping politicians will happen by angry citizens who
had their fill of getting "real" thrown at them like mountain size chunks of s.h.i.t.
Slowly the reality of not being able to make a living will cause the pot to boil over.  | |
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Posted: 10/26/2009 12:09:45 PM | If the reality of not being able to make a living will cause the pot to boil over, then the cause is just how much the government has grown, how much the govt. takes from us in form of taxes, and how many regulations the govt. puts in front of anybody/anything that attempts to start a business in order to have to HIRE PEOPLE........... In the aspect of business having a much harder time, yeah we do have a lot less freedom.
You can keep moaning about how things aren't "fair", yet want the fed to support everybody who "can't" do it themselves..............
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Posted: 10/26/2009 12:17:00 PM | @ HO2
I'll be happy if they just read this part:
the banks...will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered...
Do you think that what is happening now is what ol' Thomas Jefferson predicted over 200 years ago? If so, do you think its finally gonna sink in now that it's too late for them, or have the modern day sheeple been sufficiently dumbed-down and conditioned to be happy as economic slaves to the bankers that they don't care anyway? | |
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Posted: 10/26/2009 12:19:39 PM | Hey dukky
Tell me something. Why is it that we really didn't have any bank crisis, vis a vie borrowers of mortgages until the past 20 or so years?
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Posted: 10/26/2009 12:21:47 PM |
...yet want the fed to support everybody who "can't" do it themselves...
The only people the Fed supports IS themselves...at everyone else's expense. Don't confuse it with the government...it is the Fed that is the government's boss. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2009 12:27:04 PM | Why is it that we really didn't have any bank crisis, vis a vie borrowers of mortgages until the past 20 or so years?
That was the "boom phase" of the banker designed "business cycle". You have now entered the "bust phase" and are in a depression that will be at least as bad as the dirty thirties. Don't let the stock market fool you, it is only the biggest rally in what will be a series of ever smaller rallies in the biggest bear market you've ever seen. Watch for a drop soon (within the next six months) that will drop the Dow well below the 7000 level...probably to about the 4500 range before the next (and smaller) rally.
The interest rates were dropped intentionally to make for cheap loans that were to suck people into a debt position. There will soon be serious austerity measures enforced by government at the behest of the IMF and joblessness/homelessness is already rampant. Look for further drying up of credit and massive increases in interest rates to fleece those still paying their debts to default and surrender their equity. It was all so predictable... A lot of us have been warning of this for years, but nobody wanted to look the economic "gift-horse" in the mouth. They will soon wish they had seen this coming. | |
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