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HO2
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Joined: 10/11/2008
Msg: 326 | |
| Philosophical argument of Rights
Posted: 11/5/2009 9:43:50 PM | ^^I concur , it sort of sucks we only have Democrat,Republican and Right/Left
You take your chances walking down the middle of the road because veer all the time. | |
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| Philosophical argument of Rights
Posted: 11/5/2009 9:51:03 PM | Hey ho2
you wrote:
" I like to stay current; like late 2009 and early 2010 instead of the 1776 stuff
Don't really care if taxes were or were not paid on tea...prefer how my Rights are affected today"
So I guess you would rather have an updated version to follow, right?
A few posts earlier, you wrote:
"This serves my purposes quite well :
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html"
I have to thank you for the site that has the US Constitution, and I am happy to know that the particular version that you referred to above serves your purposes quite well.
However, if you were to look at the original one, you would see something rather startling: THEY ARE THE SAME.
Oh, one more thing, the US Constitution was signed by the framers on Sept. 17, 1787......... a few years after 1776. But I am sure you knew that, and also knew that it was the Declaration of Independence that was adopted by the Second Continental Congress on July 4, 1776. Now does it make sense why we celebrate July 4 as Independence Day?
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HO2
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Joined: 10/11/2008
Msg: 328 | |
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| Philosophical argument of Rights
Posted: 11/6/2009 10:20:02 AM | Hey HO2
I am not writing this as a "gotcha", but to set the record straight about one of the greatest documents ever written. Using your link to the consititution, below is what is written in the document itself.
"Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth. In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names."
The Declaration of Independence is probably the document you are referring to, which is what officially kicked off the fracus with our cousins the Brits. It took quite a while after it was over to decide exactly what shape the govt. of the new country would take, and it was finally signed by the framers on 9-17-1787. At that point, it still had to be ratified by the states to actually take effect. And that is another very long very interesting story.
Again, this is done with the interest of the document itself paramount, as there is enough nonsense being spread about it to begin with. Please don't take this personally.
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HO2
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Joined: 10/11/2008
Msg: 330 | |
| Philosophical argument of Rights
Posted: 11/6/2009 1:34:04 PM | I've noticed from immigrants like my parents and others
--they take much MORE of an interest in the what, where, how, & why the USA is what it is.
Most people I remember from history or political science classes in high school and college
either fell asleep or failed the topics.
They didn't exactly pick it up again as adults either - worse yet they forgot what little they learned.
An educated voter is better able to discern the facts from fiction in an election
--regardless if it's at a township level or national level
The reality of Rights is much different from the mythical connotations many hold to be true. | |
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| Philosophical argument of Rights
Posted: 11/6/2009 3:40:58 PM | HO2 Paul's right on the date. I remember it because we celebrated the 200th Anniversery in primary school. I was in the third grade. I still have the school picture of the Constitution as a back drop somewhere at my parents house. After the Treaty of Pairs in 1781 which ended the war of American Independence, the United States functioned under the Articles of Confederation. It failed miserably, as a matter of fact there were some rebellions in New England at this time. I think in NY, it might have been MA, memory fuzzy here.
But if you want to really understand what the Framers were thinking during the period of ratification you should read the Federalist papers. Which are a collection of Opinion letters sent to the New York newspapers. The Authors are Alexander Hamilton (1st Treasury Sec and Bill of Rights advocate) James Madison 4th President of the United States, (Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison) and John Jay (1st Chief Judge of the Supreme Court). Neat notes about Madison, he saved the paintings of the Presidents in the White House, the Declaration of Independence, and led troops in Battle during the War of 1812. Which is really the First World War (Nepolianic War) | |
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HO2
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Joined: 10/11/2008
Msg: 332 | |
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| Philosophical argument of Rights
Posted: 11/7/2009 5:31:24 PM | | Then we have to remember that the Bill of Rights wasn't adopted until the 179o's. So it took about 10 years after the American War of Independence, to have a functional government. I could tie this into our war effort but, that might take us off topic. | |
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