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Posted: 10/17/2009 11:54:15 AM | | People under rate Machida because there is a misconception among MMA fighters and Fans that Muy Thai is the superior form of stand up...that is why Silva is so well liked he has great Muy Thai.... | |
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| Favorite MMA fighter?
Posted: 10/19/2009 11:02:13 AM |
People under rate Machida because there is a misconception among MMA fighters and Fans that Muy Thai is the superior form of stand up...that is why Silva is so well liked /he has great Muy Thai....
I dont find Machida is at all being overlooked. He is very well respected by hardcore fans. To be honest though muay thai is the best striking art for MMA. Its good because its good in close with the clinch and knees. Its also good in the mid range with the fists and elbows. From a distance the shins are dvastating. There are various aspects of all arts that can be usefull in MMA but overall muay thai is the best overall art. Machida is able to use his karate for an advantage. He is an amazing striker. | |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 10:04:30 PM | Minowaman! He is definately hit or miss but always puts on a show. Hong Man Choi may be more of a gimmick than a serious fighter but when Minowaman muscled him over was the first time in a long time I've jumped out of my seat during a match.
Sakuraba is great too. I wish I could have seen him in his prime.
And who can forget El Guapo. After seeing his 'lethal street fighting' videos all I can say is good thing they didn't allow hot sauce in the ring. | |
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| Favorite MMA fighter?
Posted: 11/8/2009 12:27:27 AM | Fedor.
Well-rounded fighter. No weaknesses. Can fight back from adversity (been slammed on his head, etc.). After watching that fight against Brett Rogers tonight, Fedor's got one helluva right hand.
I've heard people say he hasn't fought quality opponents but it took Couture a five round decision to beat Tim Sylvia when Fedor submitted him in under a minute.
Aside from maybe (a BIG maybe) Josh "Steroid Boy" Barnett, I really don't see any current heavyweights that can beat Fedor.  | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 6:09:28 AM | | If Brett Rogers can have Fedor in trouble, almost stopping it via ground and pound, then Brock Lesnar would give Fedor fits. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 6:59:21 AM | Rogers wasn't close to stopping Fedor with his GNP.
He never hurt Fedor at all during the fight.
Rogers put up a good fight tho.
But if you take away the GNP and the punch that busted Fedor's nose, Rogers just pushed him against the cage and didn't do anything else.
I think Overeem can give Fedor some serious issues.
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Posted: 11/8/2009 7:23:57 AM | I agree with Seeking. Brock would be a real threat to Fedor. No one can say that Fedor didn't win that fight - decisively - but to say that he was never in trouble is cr4p. Rogers had him in a bad way with the GnP. Rogers did a lot better than I thought he would.
Props to Fedor though. Any fighter that continuously beats others fighters at what they do best certainly ranks at the very top. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 7:29:51 AM | I was seriously unimpressed with Fedor last night.
After watching the fight, I saw two things happen.
First, Rogers put himself in trouble because he had no cardio and blew his wad so to speak in the first round.
The other thing was I saw Fedor throw a completely wild punch that luckily landed on the button.
From last nights fight, the only thing that can be said about Fedor is that he proves the concept of "a punchers chance" right.
Now the middleweight fight I thought was really impressive last night. Miller vs Shields was a classic ground chess match in my opinion and a great bout, as was the opening bout between Werdum and Silva. | |
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| Favorite MMA fighter?
Posted: 11/8/2009 9:01:37 AM | I don't think Rogers cardio killed him.
Fedor timing Rogers did him in.
And that wasn't a lucky punch.
That was perfectly timed.
He saw Rogers going for the hook and went for the counter.
That is textbook Fedor.
That was not luck. That was perfect timing.
And just LOL at people not wanting to credit Fedor, claiming it was luck.
O....and he really wasn't in alot of trouble off of his back.
To go for the armbar like he did, you have to give and take.
There is always gonna be a risk that you have to take some shots to get the sub.
Rogers really did alot less than people think. | |
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| Favorite MMA fighter?
Posted: 11/8/2009 10:19:02 AM | Are people forgettng one thing? I am pretty sure this is Fedor's first fight inside a an octagon cage. The cage is more forgiving than the ropes he is used to and the angles are much more different.
Fedor = Sloppy? Are you kidding. Rogers had a like a 5" height advantage plus a 6 to 6" reach. The mere fact that Fedor was able to get inside and deliver a bomb like he did was remarkable.
How can you call a guy who has been landing that bomb like that for so many years sloppy?
Yes, I am sure the jab that busted up his nose hurt him, same with the little ground and pound he recieved. Did you notice one thing though, he never lost his composure. He was always thinking of what to do next. The fact that he was able to shake off a big man like that and be so effective just shows how great he is.
I giggle like a fat kid on a smartie at those who think Brock is going to beat him. When and if they meet, it will be another similar story. Fedor beats opponent. He is too gifted for the one dimensional light drinking beer cave man!
Lets talk about Shields now. This guy really does suck. He lies on you, smoothers you, and b*tch slaps you. He has no power what so ever. He does not have a ground and pound game. Just a ground game, which in my mind is pretty pitiful. If here was ever blessed with the chance to fight GSP he would be humilated. GSP's takedown defence is second to none, his striking is on a another planet compared to "panty" shields. I do like how he called out Cung Le after the fight, calling him a coward and giving up the belt to avoid him. R.I.P "panty" shields, well before you ever see GSP Cung Le is going to dismantle you. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 10:56:38 AM | | I was very impressed with Rogers not many fighters make it past the first round with Fedor. I think it surprised Fedor a little bit. Hell I think he surprised a lot of people. This guy def is the real deal. If he can last that long against the best MMA fighter by many in the world then he has my upmost respect. | |
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| Favorite MMA fighter?
Posted: 11/8/2009 8:23:21 PM |
I've heard people say he hasn't fought quality opponents but it took Couture a five round decision to beat Tim Sylvia when Fedor submitted him in under a minute.
I wonder if those people are aware Fedor:
Took gold in Russian Judo Championships in 1997, and Bronze in 1998
Took Gold in World Combat Sambo Championships: 2002 Thessaloniki, '02 Panama City, '05 Prague, '07 Prague, and Bronze in '08 St Petersburg
Russuan Sambo Championships: Bronze '98, Fold, '00, '02, '05, '06, '07, '08 & '09
Beat (twice) former UFC Heavyweight Champion Mark Coleman (both times in the first round).
Beat (twice) Pride FC heavyweight grand prix finalist & Pride Heavyweight Champion Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira
Beat IWGP Heavyweight champion, Kazuyuki Fujita
Beat division I NCAA Wrestling Champion & former UFC Heavyweight Champion Kevin "The Monster" Randleman
Beat All-Japan Judo Champion Naoya Ogawa
Beat K1 rock star Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic.
Beat WAMMA lightweight champion Shinya Aoki
Beat former UFC Heavyweight Champion Andrei Arlovski
And, as you already mentioned former UFC heavyweight champion Tim Sylvia
Anyone saying Fedor's not fought top talent is suffering from cranial rectal submersion.
If Brett Rogers can have Fedor in trouble, almost stopping it via ground and pound, then Brock Lesnar would give Fedor fits.
Except Fedor wasn't really in trouble, and Brett Rogers was nowhere near finishing the fight with G&P. He took a few punches to the face while re-positioning to mount an offense off his back (arm bar attempt) – that's what champions do. They're always looking to end the fight. That was the ONLY time Rogers was winning that fight. Other than that, Fedor was moving quickly from one submission to another on the ground, and was winning the standup exchanges. Brett got is butt handed to him, it was a very lop sided fight - especially considering Brett's 10-0 winning streak. But, isn't that the way most Fedor's fights go?
That said, I think Brock has the best chance at beating Fedor. Brock has come a long long way with his fighting, and is continuing to grow as a fighter. Like Fedor, Brock has speed. That's one of the things that makes Fedor so dangerous. I think Fedor's calmness & experience will still beat Brock, but... Brock does have youth on his side. With his weight advantage, if he could keep Fedor working for a few rounds... he mmmiiiiigggghhhhhtttt be able to increase his chances in later rounds?
The other thing was I saw Fedor throw a completely wild punch that luckily landed on the button.
I saw Fedor time Rogers, and beat him to the punch – literally. Which he's done many times in the past. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 6:10:32 AM |
Took gold in Russian Judo Championships in 1997, and Bronze in 1998
All well and good but that was 12 and 11 years ago. And also not under MMA rules.
Took Gold in World Combat Sambo Championships: 2002 Thessaloniki, '02 Panama City, '05 Prague, '07 Prague, and Bronze in '08 St Petersburg
Again, if you want to show how good Fedor is as an MMA fighter, it's a good idea not to use his non-MMA record.
Russuan Sambo Championships: Bronze '98, Fold, '00, '02, '05, '06, '07, '08 & '09
One more time; Again, if you want to show how good Fedor is as an MMA fighter, it's a good idea not to use his non-MMA record. Yes, these show how good Fedor is at Sambo, but a fight under Sambo rules is a totally different thing to a fight under MMA rules.
Beat (twice) former UFC Heavyweight Champion Mark Coleman (both times in the first round).
Mark Coleman was not a top-10, or probably top-20, fighter by the time Fedor beat him.
Beat (twice) Pride FC heavyweight grand prix finalist & Pride Heavyweight Champion Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira
This one I'll give Fedor.
Beat IWGP Heavyweight champion, Kazuyuki Fujita
Fujita isn't anywhere close to being a top-level fighter. And why are you citing a professional wrestling title as his credential?
Beat division I NCAA Wrestling Champion & former UFC Heavyweight Champion Kevin "The Monster" Randleman
Yes. Randleman has those titles to his name, but he's also nowhere near a top-10 or 20 fighter. This is a guy who couldn't finish Michiyoshi Ohara and is notorious for finding ways to lose fights he should realisitcally win.
Beat All-Japan Judo Champion Naoya Ogawa
Another guy who is nowhere close to being a top-level fighter. Not to mention that more than one of his MMA win is questionable in nature.
Beat K1 rock star Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic.
This one I'll also give Fedor.
Beat WAMMA lightweight champion Shinya Aoki
In an exhibition match, not an MMA fight. And he also outweighed Aoki by around 80lbs.
Beat former UFC Heavyweight Champion Andrei Arlovski
I'll sort of give you this one, too. Arlovski has the skills and record of a top fighter. But he did get KO'd by Brett Rogers in 22 seconds. And he's struggled against guys he should have handled with relative ease, considering his standing as a heavyweight.
And, as you already mentioned former UFC heavyweight champion Tim Sylvia
Sylvia is tough one to credit. He is a former UFC champion, and he does have some notable wins. But at the same time, it's hard to give him full kudos when his wins generally came from using his size and range to outpoint his opponent rather than his actual fighting skills to go for a finish. There's also the fact that hasn't been able to finish a lot of the guys he did beat, including having to hold, literally, Brandon Vera to a draw when he outweighed the guy considerably.
Except Fedor wasn't really in trouble, and Brett Rogers was nowhere near finishing the fight with G&P. He took a few punches to the face while re-positioning to mount an offense off his back (arm bar attempt) – that's what champions do. They're always looking to end the fight. That was the ONLY time Rogers was winning that fight. Other than that, Fedor was moving quickly from one submission to another on the ground, and was winning the standup exchanges. Brett got is butt handed to him, it was a very lop sided fight - especially considering Brett's 10-0 winning streak. But, isn't that the way most Fedor's fights go?
Fedor was taking some heavy punches while caught on the ground. More than 'a few', in fact. Yes, Fedor was positioning himself to try and get out of there, which he did, but he could just have easily taken one of those punches in the wrong spot and it would have been over, or not gotten out in time before the fight was stopped. If Brett got his butt handed to him, why was he able to throw off a Fedor a number of times and last beyond the round and win it in a lot of people's eyes.
I'm all for giving Fedor his due, and I actually like watching him fight and think he's really great. But the guy has holes in his game and Brett Rogers showed that. And if Brett Rogers can do that, then someone like Brock Lesnar has far better chance than "mmmiiiiigggghhhhhtttt ". Again, I like Fedor and thinks he's got exceptional talent. But people really need to stop drinking the Fedor kool-aid. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 11:39:57 AM |
And also not under MMA rules.
Again, if you want to show how good Fedor is as an MMA fighter, it's a good idea not to use his non-MMA record.
One more time; Again, if you want to show how good Fedor is as an MMA fighter, it's a good idea not to use his non-MMA record.
I'm going to quote the phrase I was referring to, and my response to that phrase. Note the bold words:
trekker013: I've heard people say he hasn't fought quality opponents but it took Couture a five round decision to beat Tim Sylvia when Fedor submitted him in under a minute.
NerdStatus: Anyone saying Fedor's not fought top talent is suffering from cranial rectal submersion.
Where do you see the words “MMA fighter” being employed? If you don't think Fedor has fought top level competition, you're certainly welcome to your opinion. I read something different in his record.
Fedor was taking some heavy punches while caught on the ground.Fedor was taking some heavy punches while caught on the ground ... If Brett got his butt handed to him, why was he able to throw off a Fedor a number of times and last beyond the round and win it in a lot of people's eyes.
I counted 6 of 11 punches kinda landing (see below). If you want to refute that this lands within the definition of “a few”, I'm listening....
a few(a): more than one but indefinitely small in number; "a few roses"; "a couple of roses"
source: wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
I see Fedor as dominating Round 1 & 2. I have no idea what-so-ever how anyone could have scored either round for Rogers. Yes, Rogers got his shots in – as I would expect in a top level fight. And, as I would expect from a top level fighter, Fedor absorbed those punches & continued to dominate the rest of the round. As soon as Fedor was in any kind of danger, he changed strategies & became the dominant fighter (got his nose cut, took the fight to the ground – bad position on the ground, moved for an arm bar / sweep for top position) – which is what master tacticians do. Rogers was only “winning” for what – maybe 30 seconds (total) between both rounds?
Round 1:
4:00 – In the first 30 seconds, Rogers cuts Fedor's nose with a stiff jab, and Fedor misses his with his counter punches. Both fighters are getting their range, and timing. The next 30 seconds, Fedor stalks / walks down Rogers, scores a right hand punch & takes Rogers to the ground.
3:00 – Rogers has Fedor clenched against the fence, and gets in a few short punches / knees, despite this, Rogers doesn't appear to be doing any real damage, and is unable to take advantage of the dominant position.
2:00 – Fedor scores a couple jabs, a solid uppercut, and judo trips Rogers to the ground where Fedor takes a strong top position. Fedor uses some short punches to move to ½ guard where both fighters land short punches on each other. Despite Rogers' size advantage, Fedor doesn't look like he's having any problems controlling Rogers.
1:30 – Fedor goes for a kimora, Rogers uses this an an opportunity to sweep Fedor, and gain top position. From Fedor's (intentionally loose) full guard, Rogers postures up, and does some G&P. I count 6 punches that landed / could have hurt Fedor (out of 11 thrown). From the "ref cam" only two of these look like they landed well, the rest aren't direct hits (Fedor's moving his head), and mostly slide right off. The entire time, Fedor doesn't look rocked, and could have changed to a position to 'defend' the strikes (remember, he's still got open full guard), but it looks to me (obviously this is just my opinion) like Fedor is intentionally absorbing these strikes, isolating an arm, and positioning for the arm bar. And as I said, in my opinion this is what champion fighters do. Instead of just 100% neutralizing a fighter, and ending up in a “laying on / being layed on” position – they take a little risk, and are always looking to end the fight. This is one of the reasons why Fedor ranks among my favorite fighters.
1:00 – Fedor works more ground game on Rogers, scoring hits, easily passing to Rogers' ½ guard, moving to a arm triangle choke... note Fedor is the dominant positions again, and constantly looking for the finish.
0:00 – Fedor's still easily imposing his will on Rogers. Working between ground game & strikes. Rogers is on his back, and doesn't have anything to counter Fedor's attacks.
Round 2:
Fedor t-s off on Rogers, wins the clench (even though Rogers is in the dominant position), Rogers tastes Fedor's right hand, and gets KTFO'd without ever threatening Fedor. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 12:07:29 PM | Of course Fedor has faced quality opponents. But when it comes to MMA, the subject of this thread, his record of opponents in recent years is lacking, in a variety of ways. Even when trying to highlight the quality of his opponents, you only exposed that is record of opponents isn't exactly filled with quality opponents or evenly matched opponents at that. Fujita? Ogawa? Aoki, who while talented, is outweighed by over 80lbs, and in an exhibition? You left out Hong-Man Choi and Zuluzinho.
I'll state this one more time and then leave you to drink the kool-aid of Fedor and reel off another post that typifies your user name:
Fedor is a great fighter. Very talented. And he's faced some top competition over the years. But his recent track record of opponents in MMA is severely lacking and hardly warrants ranking him as the #1 heavyweight fighter in the world today. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 9:23:24 PM | | I can see where a non MMA fighter might not appreciate the skill level of Fedor,,,it is understandable because he is a technical fighter with the best transitions in the Game.....There are very few Heavy weights of his caliber rating him number one is fair no one in the game is as well rounded as Fedor...He would easily beat Brock. I think a more interesting fight would be Brock against Bob Sapp ...would be interesting to see Brock have to fight a bigger stronger fighter | |
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Posted: 11/10/2009 2:42:03 AM | | Is that a joke? Brock Lesnar would LEVEL Bob Sapp in about 10 seconds. Come on. Brock has shown that he can pin down BJJ black belts - easily. Fedor would have his work cut out for him. | |
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Posted: 11/14/2009 8:40:01 PM | Couture ,GSP, Clay Guida would be my favorite fighters.
All of them put on great fights....dont talk shit and are good ambassadors to the sport. | |
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Posted: 11/14/2009 9:39:11 PM | I would pay good money to watch Fedor knock Lesnar out. Yep Fedor is a bad man, he sure don't move like a heavyweight but he loads up some monster punches right up there with the biggest hitters in the punching world. He looks comfortable everywhere. Fun fights to watch, every time, definently one of my favorites.
Joyce Gracie, Randy Couture yep they are great fighters and people. I like the respectful guys that kick ars. People that make others better and you want children to grow up acting like. True sportsmen that have done nothing but help others along the way and love to fight. Kickin butt champions. | |
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| Favorite MMA fighter?
Posted: 11/14/2009 9:43:05 PM |
Minowaman! He is definately hit or miss but always puts on a show. Hong Man Choi may be more of a gimmick than a serious fighter but when Minowaman muscled him over was the first time in a long time I've jumped out of my seat during a match.
I really like him too, he's not the best or anywhere close to it but the guy is a character and very easy to root for | |
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Posted: 11/19/2009 3:52:04 PM | There's so many to choose from!
Ok...not necessarily in order here's my list:
Gina Carano - so hot! Would have been an excellent face for womens MMA if she hadn't scewed up the fight with Cyborg. She was the underdog, and I would have given the fight to Cybog in about the 3rd round but Gina went into that fight already defeated, and to take a break from MMA straight after her first lost made her go down in rankings in my opinion, but I still love her all the same.
Amir Sadollah - by far the best fighter, but was routing for him from the first episode of TUF7 and there's just something so endeering about his personality and the fact he rose to every challenge that made most of the public warm to him over the series. The fact he pu Dollaway in his place not once but twice is just a bonus! - It's just a shame that his post TUF career has been so disapppointing!
Randy Couture - He always seems like such a level headed nice guy, his fights are always good to watch and he always gives 110%. It's nice to see fighters who feel they don't have give all the smack talk. The fact he ended up in the sport on nothing more then a whim really, his age and his constanst drive are just some of the reasons why I love him (plus I was lucky enough to train at Xtreme Couture while in Vegas fo my brothers wedding, so I'm gonna be sightly more bias).
Tom 'Kong' Watson and Brad 'One Punch' Pickett - two of my favourite British fighters outside of the UFC.
As well as...
Rosi Sexton, Ross Pearson, Forrest Griffin, Cung Li, GSP, Anderson Silva and Royce Gracie.
I use to be a big Ken Shamrock fan when I first got into the sport, but after seeing him on TUF3, I thought he came acros as a grumpy, old man, who couldn't coach for toffee - seriously, what was he thinking agreeing to the show!? | |
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