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 paddler

Joined: 9/29/2004
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Should China be allowed to join G8
Posted: 7/15/2005 12:02:25 PM
China also has a huge space program and plans to build thier own space station in the next decade. By the way I love how the congress stood up to any nation selling arms to China.

Guess isolating your allies doesn't seem like such a good idea afterall.
 foxefire

Joined: 2/23/2005
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Should China be allowed to join G8
Posted: 7/15/2005 12:59:14 PM

Guess isolating your allies doesn't seem like such a good idea afterall.


I guess you will find out won't you Canada?
 vancouverite

Joined: 12/25/2004
Msg: 53
Should China be allowed to join G8
Posted: 7/15/2005 1:11:25 PM
Yeah, the republican congress just STOPPED that bill.

HAHAHAHAHA

Get your facts straight, buck-o.

Foxefire: who cares, you guys did Vietnam, El Salvador,Venezuela, now Iraq.

Your policies are f*ck ups to begin with.
 Frrosty

Joined: 3/21/2004
Msg: 54
Should China be allowed to join G8
Posted: 7/15/2005 1:55:25 PM

I guess you will find out won't you Canada?


You know the border has just been re-opened to Canadian beef right?

SO much for isolation. We're here for ya if I'm not mistaken.

*shrugS*

Deal with your neighbours.
 Artanaxes

Joined: 7/17/2004
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Posted: 7/15/2005 8:43:53 PM
not when they've got idiot generals threatening to nuke us.

Make no mistake-theyare NOT our friends in any way,shape, or form.

We had a Chinese boy as an exchange student a few years ago, and he was a total sweetheart. But that doesn't change the fact that the Chinese are the most culturally arrogant people in the world, even worse than us or the Japanese in their arrogant assumption that their culture is the highest and best that has ever existed.
 NittanyLion

Joined: 2/19/2005
Msg: 56
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Posted: 7/15/2005 8:56:41 PM
Thank goodness you don't find any of that "cultural arrogance" in the U.S.
 dapi_editor

Joined: 4/15/2005
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Posted: 7/17/2005 3:55:36 AM
Most of the Americans I've met-other than my cousins have had attitude problems when it comes to their culture and nationality. The US under enlightened leadership has managed to do more good than evil but, when under misguided and ill informed leaders the country has done more evil than good.

History has shown that many of the US's worst presidents have done more to set back advances in relations, trade and culture in the 20th century than the leaders of any other country save 2.

being that the US is one of several very influential countries in the world you would think they would be more selective as to who their leaders are.
 foxefire

Joined: 2/23/2005
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Should China be allowed to join G8
Posted: 7/17/2005 4:16:19 AM
Numbering 2.3 million in 2000, Chinese Americans make up 22.4% of Asian Americans (larger than any other Asian American subgroup), and constitute just over 1% of the United States as a whole.


Why don't you ask the 2.3 million chinese who they voted for?
 longte

Joined: 10/18/2004
Msg: 59
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Posted: 7/17/2005 4:25:37 AM
"Most of the Americans I've met-other than my cousins have had attitude problems when it comes to their culture and nationality. The US under enlightened leadership has managed to do more good than evil but, when under misguided and ill informed leaders the country has done more evil than good".
Exactly what do you mean by this???
Please state cases

"History has shown that many of the US's worst presidents have done more to set back advances in relations, trade and culture in the 20th century than the leaders of any other country save 2".
So these two countries would be Germany, Russia, Japan, oops thats three so far
Better stop before I get carried away
The attempted genocide by these three counties, especially the Japanese, who still honestly believe they did nothing wrong, is far worse than anything done by any American
For example the Japanese still honour their war criminals.

"being that the US is one of several very influential countries in the world you would think they would be more selective as to who their leaders are".
USA President is elected by the people
How can you get more selective???

Just for the record
I am Not American
But this was an appalling statement to make, and cannot be backed up by any factual information

Back on topic
If there was one country that should be worried about Chinas Arms build up it should be Japan
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 dapi_editor

Joined: 4/15/2005
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Posted: 7/17/2005 7:40:14 AM
longte


Most of the Americans I've met-other than my cousins have had attitude problems when it comes to their culture and nationality. The US under enlightened leadership has managed to do more good than evil but, when under misguided and ill informed leaders the country has done more evil than good".
Exactly what do you mean by this???
Please state cases


I have a number of aunts, uncles and cousins living in various parts of the US, most of them are lawyers, policemen and firemen. Seems that most of my family on both sides of the border have the same professions.

Three notable exceptions are politicians-1 in Japan and 2 in the US congress. Despite being representatives of entirely different countries they share a number of common attitudes-usually involving vested interests and shady practices.


History has shown that many of the US's worst presidents have done more to set back advances in relations, trade and culture in the 20th century than the leaders of any other country save 2".
So these two countries would be Germany, Russia, Japan, oops thats three so far
Better stop before I get carried away


Woodrow Wilson had opportunities to meet with and mediate between the French and Ho Chi Min, he turned down the opportunity as he was not interested in dealing with a non white


During the 1919 Versailles Peace Conference he attempts to present United States President Woodrow Wilson with a proposal for Vietnam's independence, but is turned away. The proposal is never officially acknowledged.


He was also responsible for the segregation of the blacks and whites and inflaming racial tensions during his term in government and had to be shamed into signing laws allowing equal rights for women.

He and Theodore Rooseveldt instituted policies for active intervention in Latin American countries and were responsible for invasions of Haiti, Cuba and the support of the White Czarist Russians.



The attempted genocide by these three counties, especially the Japanese, who still honestly believe they did nothing wrong


longte will you STOP listening to the Chinese politicians! At the end of WW2 a formal apology and monetary reparation was offered to the PRC and to the ROC, sums of 1 trillion and 30 billion yen were offered to the Chinese delegates as well as a formal document of contrition and apology as noted in the minutes of a separate treaty based on the Treaty of San Francisco and signed in 1952. The PRC while in dispute with the ROC refused to attend and would not accept the apology or compensation until a separate deal was agreed to in 1972


The September 1972 visit to Beijing of Japan's newly elected prime minister, Tanaka Kakuei, culminated in the signing of a historic joint statement (Joint Communique of the Government of Japan and the Government of the People's Republic of China) that ended nearly eighty years of enmity and friction between the two sides. In this statement, Tokyo recognized the Beijing government over the Taipei government as the sole legal government of China, stating at the same time that it understood and respected China's position that Taiwan was "an inalienable part of the territory of the People's Republic of China." For its part, China waived its demand for an apology and war indemnities from Japan at the intergovernmental level (this demand was first made in the mid-1950s; the war reparations claims totaled as much as the equivalent of US$50 billion). Diplomatic relations were to be established as of September 29, 1972. Japan and China also agreed to hold negotiations aimed at the conclusion not only of a treaty of peace and friendship but also at agreements on trade, shipping, air transportation, and fisheries. Sino-Japanese trade grew rapidly after 1972. In January 1974, a three-year trade agreement--the first of several working agreements covering civil air transportation, shipping, fisheries, and trademarks--was signed. Arrangements for technical cooperation, cultural exchange, and consular matters were also undertaken.


The PRC refused the apology and the money-now THEY want the apology and the money. Isn't it a little late to change their minds.



For example the Japanese still honour their war criminals.


Lot's of people here in Japan have problems with Ishihara and his ilk. The Rightists are very vocal and very violent. Everytime a Chinese, Russian or American politician opens his mouth and inserts his foot they rally, parade down Yasukuni Dori to the shrine and protest. The LDP are in fear of them and seek to mollify them by visiting Yasukuni Shrine. The fact that China considers every Japanese soldier who took part in WW2 to be a war criminal doesn't help matters. BTW do you know the PRC also protests the Peace Memorial at Hiroshima? Are these people also war criminals?


If there was one country that should be worried about Chinas Arms build up it should be Japan


Yes, Japan fears that they will break the treaty of 1978. The Japanese are not at present a heavily armed country, there is no concensus for war or poor relations with China, Taiwan or Korea but, if the PRC's attacks on Japanese embassies, consulates and businesses in China continue there will be a change in attitude. I doubt very much that Japan will attack China, the Japan of the 1930's is dead.
 longte

Joined: 10/18/2004
Msg: 61
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Posted: 7/17/2005 7:54:40 AM
"The attempted genocide by these three counties, especially the Japanese, who still honestly believe they did nothing wrong


longte will you STOP listening to the Chinese politicians! At the end of WW2 a formal apology and monetary reparation was offered to the PRC and to the ROC, sums of 1 trillion and 30 billion yen were offered to the Chinese delegates as well as a formal document of contrition and apology as noted in the minutes of a separate treaty based on the Treaty of San Francisco and signed in 1952. The PRC while in dispute with the ROC refused to attend and would not accept the apology or compensation until a separate deal was agreed to in 1972"

I was not only refering to China in this instance, but to the entire war effort of the Japanese throughout the Pacific region
Monetary reparation can never replace those wantonly slaugtered by the invading Japanese army, and what followed afterwards in every country they invaded

Just the deaths in the rest of Asia [excluding China] are much more than those caused by any policy by any American president
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