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Posted: 10/4/2009 2:28:48 AM | O do not think it matters if the abuser is male, female, black, white, young or old, they are still an abuser, and should be treated as such.
Previously somebody said "abusers can not be cured" I think that is true. Even with all the psychiatric intervention they will receive in prison, they will never be "cured" it may be surpressed, but who's to say that at some stage these "cured" animals will not feel the need to re-offend. And another poor child will be the victim.
The excuses that they were from a abusive family, makes no difference, there are NO excuses for child abuse, and the sentance should mirror that.
My feelings are with the parents of the children. Do you or do you not want to know if your child was one of the abused? How do you make that desision.
Also the two husbands and children of the women envolved, how must they feel? As for the guys wife, im not so sure. She stayed with a man who had convictions for sexual abuse and was once on the registar (why the hell did he ever get taken off?). She has to look to herself and her decison.
Until we make it totally socially un-acceptable to be involved in this, things will not change. People who are convicted of a child abuse crime, come out of prison back to their wife, family, job they should be ignored like a social leper. And guy who go to Thailand to sleep with school girls, you are not better. Even if they are of age, to fantasize about it is the same, and you are just staying "legal" by being with a woman of age, so again its very much the same.
Thats just my opinion, but on this subject, if it offends anyone.........tough!  | |
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Posted: 10/4/2009 3:28:18 AM |
STOP HIJACKING THREADS OFF TOPIC. STICK TO THE TOPIC RAISED IN THE OP OF THREADS
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Posted: 10/4/2009 5:07:46 AM | .the 3 nonces were talking about abducting a kid at a train station..and even though they were only talking about it in a fantasy scenario..they could of easily got together and made it real..
And that is one of the negative factors about the internet, it gives like minded people, in every sphere, the chance to connect and communicate ..
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Posted: 10/6/2009 12:21:53 AM | Also the two husbands and children of the women envolved, how must they feel? As for the guys wife, im not so sure. She stayed with a man who had convictions for sexual abuse and was once on the registar (why the hell did he ever get taken off?). She has to look to herself and her decison
From what I have learnt, the mans wife was admitted into a psychiatric hospital soon after he was arrested and his little daughter taken into care. This man is by all accounts a billy liar as well as everything else. It is possible his wife knew nothing of his conviction as I believe she met him afterwards and maybe he just kept his perverted thoughts for the unsuspecting women he met off dating sites.
^Edit obviously I mean the unsuspecting women he met in his quest to find women who were as perverted as he is. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2009 3:05:12 PM | I was watching a programme To catch a peadofile, and it's a disturbing fact that these people exist. And no one really knows who they are, like rat's never that far away.
Sadly children are just prey, and they need to be protected, but now mother's are encouraged to go back into the workplace. And leave their children in the hands of other's. Trust is a hard thing to do when such thing's come to light. One wonder's how many more are in the shadow's. It is beyond all comprehension that these pedator's
do these evil things to innocent's. But the reality is they do and ply their misery on to another generation. No one civilised word can describe the hatred i have for the practices of the peadofile. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2009 3:33:47 PM | My question is do you think it is possible for a charismatic male child sex offender to groom women into acting out his sick depraved fantasies or do you think, like me, that these women must have had very unhealthy minds already? I can't help but wonder how many other depraved women he did find and have actually just not been caught.. yet!
There have always been women who are child sex offenders and there are probably far more than we know about. Women who are seen to be the nurturing and protective species are just as likely to be predators these days.....or perhaps that has always been the case....but it was so unimaginable that it wasn't spoken about. I think boys have a particuarly hard time in coming to terms with the fact that their mother has sexually abused them which is probably why a lot of sex abuse by women goes un-reported. Living in a patriarchal society has it's downside for men, the same as it does for women. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2009 7:21:47 PM |
My feelings are with the parents of the children. Do you or do you not want to know if your child was one of the abused? How do you make that desision.
Christ knows, I would hate to be in their position and I hope that they are given the best counselling out there that is possible to help them deal with those unanswered questions and to help them deal with any later recall their developing children hit them with in the future whether it be verbalised or just reactionary impulses to their past experience of having their innocence abused.
I feel incredibly sad for those parents who thought that they were entrusting their babies with the lovely bubbly angel most have described Vanessa George to be - my head would be totally screwed up right now if I were them.
I wish them all well.
I'm going to concur with the general consensus on this thread that Vanessa George wouldn't have been as easily led were she not a latent paedophile herself, she is sick in the worst possible meaning of the word.
I don't agree with her lawyer's argument that her identity should be hidden because she fears for her life - she deserves all that's coming to her and worse, she should never be released from prison...may she rot there..in hell. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2009 8:00:44 PM | | Macforty message 6, Well said, I 100% agree, people make it sound like only males ever do these horrible things, and if a woman does it then "it must have been a man that made her." Regardless whichever gender commits these crimes, it's awful. | |
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Posted: 10/25/2009 5:52:39 AM | i remember reading somewhere that one in about twenty of us has psychopathic tendencies/capacities which lay dorment until you met someone else in the same mindset and then you get pairings like hindley and brady/the wests/the bolger killers etc etc
so yes absolutly there is something in these women already and i think it was just a bad mix if sick people pushing their own sick boundaries/fantasies because they felt empowered in a group. from what i have read there is always someone in a group like that who is the diminant person...actually i think any group situation has that...it's just what makes this particular group dynamic tick is sick. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2009 2:46:04 AM | I think we have become so used to blaming men for every wrong in the world and still have such a stereotype in our collective mind of the female always being the kind nurturer that female peados are able to take advantage of us.
Good men are put off working in primary schools because of the peado phobia - no sane man wants to put themselves in a position where they could be falsley accused of THAT.
In the meantime noone ever suspects women, and if she is caught it's automatically assumed there was man who "made" her do it. I often wonder about the real power dynamics of couple like the Wests - in "normal" relationships the woman wear the trousers 1/2 the time, wouldn't it follow that this might be the case with criminal couples too? It's almost too easy for a homely looking woman to gain the trust required to abuse our kids.
Worse still if kids complain about someone who fits the "motherly stereotype" - will they be listened to and believed? I suspect it happens far more often than we comprehend but noone lstens to the victims as the perpetrators don't fit the "dirty old man" stereotype. This tuime round there was photographic evidence.
The female of the species has the capacity to be just as twisted, and depraved as the male. As a society our ONLY chance of stopping more cases like this is to confront our own inbuilt predjudices and ignorance head on. | |
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