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 whteshark

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Posted: 10/17/2009 5:23:49 PM

Beck has been talking treason !


Beck is telling it how it is. If you want to talk treason, I will point you in the direction of Washington DC. And it cracks--and worries me some--me up when liberals start talking treason for expressing one's first amendment right.
 dancecard

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Posted: 10/18/2009 9:43:12 AM


-“Every night I get down on my knees and pray that Dennis Kucinich will burst into flames.” (2003)




-"I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it." (2005)




-"When I see a 9/11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh shut up' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining." (2005)




-“The only Katrina victims we’re seeing on television are the scumbags.” (2005)




-"Barack Obama has a deep seated hatred for white people." (2009)




-“Let me tell you something, there ain’t nothing better than looking at a hot, naked chick.” (2006)





Jesse Jackson is Yasser Arafat…without the guns, without the terror and without my grandmother’s tablecloth on his head.




You know, we all have our inner demons. I, for one – I can’t speak for you, but I’m on the verge of moral collapse at any time. It can happen by the end of the show.

Glenn Beck TV Show, November 6, 2006




The setup: Beck and O'Reilly are arguing about the Swine Flu shot. Beck will not disclose whether or not he'll get the shot. O'Reilly will get the shot; he thinks it's better for the general public that he doesn't infect everyone around him. Any symbolism here is purely coincidental. Beck jokes that his viewers are zombies. There's never truth in any joke, ever. Bill O'Reilly suggests that Glenn Beck might be the highest rated pundit in sincere need of mental health care.


I enjoy Clowns too!

but for political commentary I prefer someone that deals with the issue in a more somber manner with greater depth and focus for it's a dead serious business and the implications far reaching.


November 2007 article

Glenn Beck hosts a little-watched, scarcely-promoted show on CNN's Headline News, but he just signed a radio deal worth $50 million over five years. Which means he's getting paid the same as NBC's Brian Williams, who is watched by more than 8 million people a night. Radio is supposed to be a dying medium, so what gives?

Well, unlike music listeners, talk radio audiences tend to be loyal -- and much less likely to bolt for iPods, videogames, or Facebook. Beck, 43, reaches about 5 million a week on the radio, and has a younger audience than Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity, the two biggest stars of the genre. And while most folks on the coasts hadn't heard of Beck before he got a show on Headline News, TV is just his latest brand extension, like live events and his web site.

Read the whole story: Silicon Valley Inside


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/11/06/why-glenn-beck-gets-brian_n_71363.html

So we now have "Becker's" to deal with ~ yep'ee ki yi yea!

Bring in the clowns,

Dance
 r90sboxer

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Posted: 10/18/2009 9:50:18 AM
So we now have "Becker's" to deal with ~ yep'ee ki yi yea!


Age old answer....if you don't like it.....don't listen/watch/support sponsers......
Easy answer!Obviously too simple to work.....
 dancecard

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Posted: 10/18/2009 3:07:01 PM


Age old answer....if you don't like it.....don't listen/watch/support sponsers......
Easy answer!Obviously too simple to work.....


Simple if it wasn't for the fact we must contend with what he creates and or ignore open threats. So just "not watching or refusing to support him" is like ignoring a large wort on the end of your nose. You wonder how you might remove it. And we " many Americans" are attempting to remove this wort.


Total number of companies that refuse to have ads run on Glenn Beck: 82

The boycott is working: It is being reported that the Glenn Beck show is losing more than 50% of its weekly ad revenue as a result of this boycott. Keep it up!

[10/6/09 update: 16 new sponsors drop Glenn Beck. The list has been updated to include the sponsors indicated in today's Color of Change press release. CoC announced 19 sponsors.






Scoundrels like Beck, Imus, Coulter, O'Reilly, etc. will predictably spew their venom in whatever forum provided. They have always existed in America media throughout our history. They have gained prominence by the deliberate abandonment of any civic duty or responsibility to inform the public on the part of the media bosses. The news and public affairs media is now run by businessmen who will say or do anything to increase market share. These people probably dont even remember the time when stewardship of the public airways was considered a sacred priveledge; and standards of fair play and good taste actually existed.

It is time to highlight the enablers--those companies and people who sponsor such reprehensible muck mongers. Beck and the rest of the muck mongers are creations by and for the media. They spew their venom, not out of conviction or to further any particular cause, but to make money for themselves and to guest on other programs to increase market share for these media programs. Their success is manufatured in the same way as with Britney and Paris. Their popularity are nurtured and pimped into a media bubles of ratings and revenue. The losers are the US public and American democracy.

Shock has its temporary fascination. However, just as airing the corpse of a dog in the road may compel a certain type of viewer to tune in, eventually the facination turns to disgust. It would be wrong to mistake Beck's prostituting his glibness for serious social commentary.

Fox Newsevangelist Glenn Beck might be the most prayed for man in America at the moment -- which could be good news for all of us.


That people watch this Beck preform and come away feeling "informed" in a problem for all Americans. Not complete unlike the man that is having his way with with his own daughters ~ What he is doing inside his own house is becoming "our" problem.

We can only offer resistance to such activities and behavior.

If you wish to call this process "simple" yes it is! It truly is SIMPLE.

When Beck finally gets "stopped" remember how simple it was.

Dance










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 Dasein2

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Posted: 10/18/2009 3:12:28 PM
*Newsvangelist*

That's a great term.
 whteshark

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Posted: 10/18/2009 7:21:18 PM

When Beck finally gets "stopped" remember how simple it was.


How are you going to stop him? His ratings are through the roof. You ever stop to wonder why so many people are flocking to him? Not everybody shares your view of how things should be. And it won't be as simple as you think. There's only two ways to do it--government intervention or assassinate him because the more you people attack him the more his ratings are going to go up, the more people will flock to him.

And either of these two choices would create a firestorm. I wonder if the day will come when dissent will be considered hate speech and how far the left will be willing to go to enforce it. My feeling is if they had their way they would round up libertarians, conservatives, anybody who disagreed with them and throw them in reeducation camps.

I thought the left was supposed to be so tolerant when it comes to other people's opinions.
 aSydneyMale

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Posted: 10/18/2009 8:16:45 PM

Churchill was a drunk and responsible for the Deaths of Thousands of Anzac troops in WW1.

But at least he got it right(mostly) in WW2 (and so did Curtin when he resisted Churchill's demand to retain the Australian divisions).
 dancecard

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Posted: 10/18/2009 9:42:03 PM

How are you going to stop him? His ratings are through the roof
I'm not sure what through the roof might mean? I see him as slowly isolating himself from mainstream America and doors will start being closed to him much like what's happening to Rush. Like a "Rock Star" a flash of light , a splash in a pan, in good time he will be irrelevant .


I wonder if the day will come when dissent will be considered hate speech
Today! and yesterday



My feeling is if they had their way they would round up libertarians, conservatives, anybody who disagreed with them and throw them in reeducation camps.
Like Glen Beck , you share a hyperactive imagination an a invented illusion of progressives that manifest it's self as anger.



I thought the left was supposed to be so tolerant when it comes to other people's opinions
Progressive's have limits too! ~ Beck and his crowd approach them. Your thoughts on this, like many others are incorrect.

You don't point a gun at me, speak open threats and expect things to ever be the same.

If I live thought that first encounter ~ I will bring to bear the biggest sh1t storm and force you to attempt to pull it just one more time.

This is the United States of America and we have a freely elected President and rules of law to enforce and the Constitution to guide us ~ as we always have. I don't abide by this open call for decent just because some people dislike Obama's tan. If you think Obama has acted incorrectly or misused his office you would voice impeachment ! not the overthrow of the Federal Government, is that not so?

Who doesn't see the logic in that. Well it seems to elude Glenn Beck and his "believers"

That 10 million might believe this way, there is another 310 million that don't , so you are in the minority with your thoughts regardless how high the roof has been blown.

Fades and frenzy come and go, like wide ties and hula hoops, institutions live many human lifetimes. Beck is only a nat attempting to fly up institutions nose.

I tune in on occasions just to see if I can find some "good" in his efforts, ~ some focus that might posses some redeeming quality that might affect future change for the better.

So far, I'm disappointed. I think, he's just feeding a fire for pay and really has none of him own. ~ He is a paid keeper of the fire of "distraction" for big business. As he attempt to redirect the people anger and frustrations away from the cause of them.

And what about this" cocaine death connection" should I investigate that? or just let it be? For I question this man's character wonder about his past.

Dance
 whteshark

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Posted: 10/19/2009 4:02:30 AM
I don't abide by this open call for decent just because some people dislike Obama's tan.

Typical liberal race baiting, Dance, you should join Jackson's Rainbow Coalition (connection?) or maybe march with Al Sharpton through the Jewish area's of New York because those guys will teach you the ropes when it comes to the old, tired argument of race baiting.

Even your, Messiah Obama, has said that he doesn't believe that racism is driving the open hostility to his policies. I know this is a tough pill to swallow through your jaded, opaque, liberal view of the world that anybody right of Stalin is a racist but believe it. Those on the right harbor no ill feelings towards the man because of his color. In fact I applaud it. There is no glass ceiling for African Americans anymore--even a black man can become president. Institutional racism is dead in this country--as it should be--thanks to the election of Obama.


If you think Obama has acted incorrectly or misused his office you would voice impeachment ! not the overthrow of the Federal Government, is that not so?


I do think he has acted incorrectly. I would throw in all of congress and half The Supreme Court. I would throw in Bush and The Republican (crony) Congress that backed his policies. I'm not for anarchy but for responsible government. Can you really call this responsible government at this point? The Federal Government doesn't make me a citizen of this country; they're supposed to represent me......and they stopped representing us all a long time ago. All they represent now is special interests on both sides of the aisle; all they represent now is themselves, including Barry. The only way to appease both sides is for a smaller, leaner federal government that restores Federalism and The Constitutional balance of power among the branches and levels of government. To refuse to accept this reality because you guys hold the keys to the car--for now--is tyranny.

I have never heard Beck call for violence. He's just pointing out that we're on an unsustainable course as a country......that something has to change and fast. And he's right.


You don't point a gun at me, speak open threats and expect things to ever be the same. If I live thought that first encounter ~ I will bring to bear the biggest sh1t storm and force you to attempt to pull it just one more time.


Ditto. Imposing socialism on me is unacceptable. You want socialism, Dance, move to California or New York or better yet Vermont. Practice it, love it, live it, I don't honestly care. I don't have to live there.

If you and your ilk attempt to impose your views on the whole country, coerce the whole country, or tyrannize the whole country with your statist agenda and you'll see the unthinkable spill into the streets. I would join any movement that believes in liberty and freedom if the federal government does not change its ways, no matter who is in power, even if it means breaking up the country I love. Don't tread on me, Dance, like yourself "You don't point a gun at me, speak open threats and expect things to ever be the same. If I live thought that first encounter ~ I will bring to bear the biggest sh1t storm and force you to attempt to pull it just one more time." I couldn't have said it better myself.
 geeleebee

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Posted: 10/19/2009 6:24:20 AM

If you and your ilk attempt to impose your views on the whole country, coerce the whole country, or tyrannize the whole country with your statist agenda and you'll see the unthinkable spill into the streets. I would join any movement that believes in liberty and freedom if the federal government does not change its ways, no matter who is in power, even if it means breaking up the country I love. Don't tread on me, Dance, like yourself "You don't point a gun at me, speak open threats and expect things to ever be the same. If I live thought that first encounter ~ I will bring to bear the biggest sh1t storm and force you to attempt to pull it just one more time." I couldn't have said it better myself.


Oh, for crap's sake...

It's called vote.
Don't like the bad mens making laws?
Vote them out.

'Shit storms'...I have to work with freshmen...talk about shit storms...
 SAguy_06

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Posted: 10/19/2009 6:53:26 AM
I think Graham is starting to distance himself/party from extream ideas. I think Graham has aspirations this time 'round; and of the Republican field, he may be the most well-known. Among moderate conservatives, could gain traction quickly.

Libertarians/libertarians are going to have to come up with a better known/understood candidate than Bob Barr...

I think Republicans are trying to sever the rope extreamist have hitched to the GOP wagon.

It's time for libetarians/Liberarians to swim on their own...sink or swim.
 dancecard

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Posted: 10/19/2009 8:15:17 AM
I have never heard Beck call for violence. He's just pointing out that we're on an unsustainable course as a country......that something has to change and fast. And he's right.


well,? what does thinking about killing someone or setting them on fire mean to you? And without digging for it I have heard him call for Civil disobedience. His toes are all over the foul line.



If you and your ilk attempt to impose your views on the whole country, coerce the whole country, or tyrannize the whole country with your statist agenda and you'll see the unthinkable spill into the streets.


So you are not imposing your view on me and you are not threating me and fellow Americans with such a statement?

I've got news for you buddy ~ On my walks into villages I've seen people that were disagreeable and " hard to get along with" with their heads on stick lining the entrance. ~ Beck is a big **** momma's boy and anyone that believe he's not probably is too. He looks like a thumb sucker to me.

I know what anarchy and civil unrest is all about, I've seen it up close and personal and I really want no part of it for my family or my country.

But if you feel real froggy, jump on out there and make your statement, you'll be met with a rapid and swift dispatch.

If you want to behave like a bomb ~ just blow up! I don't care to share the company of a bomb ready to go off. I'd rather you spare me the threats and do it, just take Glenn with you when you go.

Dance
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 10/19/2009 8:56:17 AM
Beck is a big **** momma's boy and anyone that believe he's not probably is too. He looks like a thumb sucker to me.



The Classic Chickenhawk....... Love War and tuff talk..... Real Bad ASS....


Just like Pimple on his Butt Rush..... That Chick Crap goes real DEEP........

Put that Vicks Vapor under them Eyes.... tears ....About That gasoline skit ..

A South African necktie works better.........Beck has NOT A CLUE........



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 tranquilo123

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Posted: 10/19/2009 8:59:26 AM

If you and your ilk attempt to impose your views on the whole country, coerce the whole country, or tyrannize the whole country with your statist agenda and you'll see the unthinkable spill into the streets. I would join any movement that believes in liberty and freedom if the federal government does not change its ways, no matter who is in power, even if it means breaking up the country I love.


Isn't funny to see the sore losers threatening violence because the people elected their opponents in the last FEDERAL election? Get over it, you lost! If you want to win again, you will have to start working really hard to convince the people that your agenda is better for them. I don't think that you will convince the people to vote for you by threatening violence against them if they don't do what you want.

In the meantime, the president has a responsibility to bring forward the platform that the people supported in the last election. If you don't like it, you have some alternatives. Should you choose to go on the path of violence, don't be surprised if we don't shed a tear when you get mowed down by the people who will rise to defend the country from the lunatics who will try to destroy it because they can no longer control it. They profess to love the country so much that, just like an obsessed and possessive lover would kill the woman who dared to choose another, they will destroy it if the people decide that they have been taken advantage of long enough by those waving the flag to disguise their politics of expoliation of the masses.

Keep on talking violence! He who sows the winds shall reap the storms!
 whteshark

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Posted: 10/19/2009 10:26:07 AM

So you are not imposing your view on me and you are not threating me and fellow Americans with such a statement?


I'm not imposing my views on anybody. I could care less what my neighbor believes as long as he leaves me alone to my beliefs. That's all and I most Americans are asking our government to do--get out of the way and let us live our lives; it's done enough damage.

POF is this very, secure liberal world where all is right because Obama is in power but it's not the real world. If Obama is right and things turn around, guys like Beck and Limbaugh will be finished. If he's wrong and these policies lead to further economical and political failure, well, even the governor, Rick Perry, of your home state of Texas has talked about secession. It just isn't me or Glenn Beck calling the government out--you have elected leaders doing the same such as another Texas Representative, Ron Paul. Economist like Peter Schiff. Those Tea Parties aren't a joke. Just because in your insulated world of CNN and MSNBC you don't hear about it doesn't mean there isn't serious opposition to this spending and to these policies.

I'm not the bomb, nor is Glenn Beck, it's your government that is the time bomb. They have major problems coming down the pike and I think they lack the will to do what's right. People seem to think the USA is immune to the political problems that have plagued the rest of humanity--we're not. At that point all bets are off--you can do your best with the swift dispatch.......if your Dear Leader hasn't confiscated all weapons by then.
 NoBushLover

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Posted: 10/19/2009 10:57:31 AM
I'm not imposing my views on anybody


Well, us liberals are sure as heck going to impose our views on you. We're going to get health care reform, we're going to regulate the financial sector, we're going to end Don't Ask Don't Tell, the Iraq War, and just to rub it in, we're gonna stop federal prosecuation for marijuana.

We'll add that to the list of the other ideas we've "imposed" on the nation, like a progressive income tax, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and the flouridation of water.
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 10/19/2009 11:01:04 AM
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POF is this very, secure liberal world where all is right because Obama is in power but it's not the real world.


Your dream world of Reaganomics and Cowboy foreign policy was security?

Monetary policy dictates trade policy?

Multi National Corp interest over the best interest of the USA?

Security? Put that trust in****Armey and the Hunt family....


Just because in your insulated world of CNN and MSNBC you don't hear about it doesn't mean there isn't serious opposition to this spending and to these policies.


How much do you know about the People living in this Insulated world...Denying your reality....



..if your Dear Leader hasn't confiscated all weapons by then.


You believe the Gun And Ammo lobby (NRA) branding ...advertising campaign.....

WARNING ....

Have you heard about the toilet paper shortage.... stock up...
OR save corn cobs...

FYI they don't flush... pass that along to your hard core bomb throwers.....
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 10/19/2009 11:09:19 AM
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THANK YOU NBL.....

The truth....... Exposed..... Perhaps we can eduate the less informed and subverted ....
REDS...
Tejas (Texas) is a RED STATE.... Proof of the debth.... Gov Perry
Gen. Jack D. Ripper.......
Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?


On no account will a Commie ever drink water, and not without good reason.

I can no longer sit back and allow communist infiltration, communist indoctrination, communist subversion, and the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.


Have you ever seen a Commie drink a glass of water?

Has Gov Perry? Gov Jandel?





 dancecard

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Posted: 10/19/2009 12:58:44 PM
Rick Perry is much like Beck, he's let his alligator mouth over load his hummingbird ass too many times.

Rick Perry does not speak for me and my state, we when red after a big redistricting battle here in Texas. ~

Unlike you, ~ I accept that he is the truly elected governor in spite of the GOP's redistricting shenanigans that open the door for Bush. ~ But I doubt if you political understanding or background goes back that far.

But ~ for now ~ he's the governor of my state and any talk of succession is idle talk and feeble threats at best.

If any state might be better off succeeding it would be Louisania , she's got the US by the balls yet she so Go along and get alone, it almost makes one ill.

That's because her government officials is on Big oil payola. ~ like Rick, and Rush and Beck.


<div class="quote">it's your government that is the time bomb. So you are not a US citizen?

then way should you care? ~ A Yes, things are very screwed up and the moment, after a dismal 8 years couple with 8 more prior. ~ That's 16 years of special interest running this nation ~ so how do you like the show so far?

Now if power might be removed by some flip of a switch ~ it would have been done already. But that not the nature of power and they fight us today as we attempt to pull their plug. ~ They fight on every level with all they can muster, sending out false prophet's , spreading fear and rumors is but one.

My and your "dear" leader isn't interested in taking your guns ~ but your support and corperation . What ever you got ~ ain't big enough anyway!



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I'm not imposing my views on anybody.

You are attempting to recruit and defend Beck's stance in civil revolt and suggest reprisal , ~ say "let's tear it all down and rebuild!" ~ "We" don't like the way any of it works anymore? !

I'd say that imposing a drastic response to a few people's great disenchantment.

There is many recorded civil revolution in history ~ thousands really ~~ try boning up on the anonotomy of a revolution and the human suffering that takes place.


And I ask you ~ today ~ in what way do you presently suffer? Where is your pain? that it might justify such rash thinking, I'd want this explained to me before I ever considered taking up your banner.

Is life so dear and peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains of slavery?
I know not what ours may say, ~ But as for me , give me liberty or give me death!

Do you know the circumstances that caused Sir Patrick Henry to speak such harsh word?

Dance
 whteshark

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Posted: 10/19/2009 2:30:23 PM

Well, us liberals are sure as heck going to impose our views on you. We're going to get health care reform, we're going to regulate the financial sector, we're going to end Don't Ask Don't Tell, the Iraq War, and just to rub it in, we're gonna stop federal prosecuation for marijuana.

We'll add that to the list of the other ideas we've "imposed" on the nation, like a progressive income tax, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and the flouridation of water.


More gasoline on the fire if you ask me. Americans with health care aren't going to be too happy having their health care messed with. SS, medicaid, medicare are all frauds, gigantic government run ponzi schemes. The boomers will get their money; the rest of will be like Democrat Bernie Madoff's investors--victims of financial fraud by our own government. These unfunded liabilities--Medicare, SS, and Medicare Part D (A Republican liability that Democrats said didn't go far enough)total over a 100 trillion dollars. Some regulation is needed for the financial sector but I wonder if the government will do it right when they can't even regulate themselves and the impact their bad policies will have on an already rickety economy; Iraq War is over already (how about Afghanistan?), I could care less about Don't Ask, Don't tell, and marijuana should be decriminalized. My old man smoked a doobie or two before he died of cancer. It made him feel better but I think this should be a state issue, not a federal issue.


You are attempting to recruit and defend Beck's stance in civil revolt and suggest reprisal , ~ say "let's tear it all down and rebuild!" ~ "We" don't like the way any of it works anymore? !


Once again I have never heard Beck support open violent rebellion. I trust quotes off the internet (usually out of context btw) about as much as I trust YOUR Apologist in Thief. However, there's more than just a few of us and if necessary, yes.

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."
Thomas Jefferson


And I ask you ~ today ~ in what way do you presently suffer? Where is your pain? that it might justify such rash thinking,


Socializing health care, forcing me to be a part owner in a car company I despise, nationalizing banks, bailing out Wall Street (and continuing to bail them out), passing spending bills that are outrageous, debasing our currency, bailing out Unions, The Chicago cronyism, attacking free speech, a gun control bill that will create a national data base for all gun owners, taxes from Cap and Trade to the new Vat tax they're proposing to the SS tax and medicare tax they impose on me knowing I will never see the benefits, open borders, the dangerous and absolutely irresponsible deficit spending that will be passed on to my kids and will most likely in my lifetime bring our economy to a halt, and so forth. This isn't all O's fault but they're using a lot of these excuses to impose their agenda with frightening speed.

You can't possibly think this is responsible government. Passing a trillion dollar health care bill that most Americans don't support in the middle of a recession and huge trillion dollar deficits? And don't come back at me with this is Bush's fault. Some of it is, some of it isn't but these problems started before even his presidency. Both parties are at fault. But this isn't a government for the people, by the people anymore.

It was a hard pill for me to swallow too. The facade can't last forever. The bill is coming due.
 NoBushLover

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Posted: 10/19/2009 3:09:58 PM
More gasoline on the fire if you ask me.


Good. I hope it drives the wingnuts wild. Maybe then, they will emerge from their moms' basement and find out that in reality, americans support our agenda. That's why we won the election.

It's called democracy. If you can't handle it, you can always move to a country with a conservative govt, like Afghanistan or Ethiopia. I'm sure you'll be happy living in such a libertarian paradise. Or you could move to a theocracy like Iran. I know Americans will be better off with fewer wingnuts




This isn't all O's fault but they're using a lot of these excuses to impose their agenda with frightening speed.


Of course it's not just Obamas' fault. ALL of us liberals support OUR agenda. And since we're a majority, we're going to "get 'er done" no matter how many tea tantrums the wingnuts throw. Those town hall disruptions and the wingnuts are nothing more than speed bumps on the road to transformative change that is going to completely change the way Americans live. You can either jump on the liberal bandwagon, or get run over by it while we pass liberal and socialist legislation.


You can't possibly think this is responsible government


It sure is a responsible govt. For one thing, it's responsible for driving you batshit crazy
 dancecard

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Is senator Graham calling it like it is?
Posted: 10/19/2009 4:05:44 PM
Well this mess we are in today took years to get this way ~ I happen to be a Nixon Man myself ~ For reasons ~ I'll not waste a lot of time on. ~ We were in a great economic slump as GI came home to "no job" ~ I'm not saying that he got us out of it ~ but he did get us out of Nam. He did open the doors to China ~ before that time , China was just one more big enemy of Free People. ~ But Nixon was the last truly good GOP President for the American middle classes. ~ Since then ~ the middle has took it on the chin. ~ Reagan and the two Bush's has allowed this country to be taken over by big business interest and their lobby money.

I ask why now ! do you which to protest ~ You time to protest was back in 2002 or 1998.

Why now! ~

and as for you pain ~ I was thinking that perhaps you shouldered a burden to heavy to carry.

Your pain is small ~ you burden light. ~ ~ I lost my family in 1999, ~ The effect of Bush's Desert Storm ~ shut my 15 years old business down as I was already struggling with Ronnies "cutback" and down sizing. ~ after 10 years of marriage ~ I couldn't produce, let the house go back. ~ I've never seen her or the children since.

It's not pain anymore ~ but it is why I asked you such a question, looking for your motivation. For many people are truly hurting all over this nation today. They hurt and are being forced to make hard choices.

All the things you are complaining about have been in place for years. except this debt and you can't lay that at this administrations door. George W. Bush handed Obama the keys to the Nation and Gas tanks was on "EMPTY" This is not the condition of the nation When Bill Clinton handed him over the keys ~~ WAS IT? WAS IT?

Hell no it wasn't .



oth parties are at fault. But this isn't a government for the people, by the people anymore.
~ Yes it is ~ just as much as it was 10 years ago. ~ and you wasn't howling then ~ so what gives?

Darnce
 fishingmachine

Joined: 1/23/2009
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Is senator Graham calling it like it is?
Posted: 10/20/2009 9:52:35 PM

Good. I hope it drives the wingnuts wild. Maybe then, they will emerge from their moms' basement and find out that in reality, americans support our agenda. That's why we won the election.


The dems won the election by a few percentage points. They were hoping that "yes we can" and "real change". Lets all face it 95% percent of the media is liberal, All I heard about was bush's recession. I had a job the whole time. The economy was going good because everyone was charging the purchase. Credit was to easy to get. It's now time to pay it back. Same thing happened with Clinton. The economy runs in cycles, everyone charges and charges and when they have to pay down debt everything suffers.

Recent pole says 28% liberal, 40% conservative and 32% independent one also showed that america is still a center right country. The independent vote put your people in power. If you won by a very big margin I would agree with you. But thats not the way is was. Dont be so delusional.

But with the way things are going the mid term elections are not looking good for you team. Congress has a 20% approval rating. The polls show only Barbara Boxer holding on to her seat.

Right now the American people are mad as hell. look at the 9/12 march. It was reported by the fly by media that there was only a few thousand showed up. But a lot of collages looked at aerail photos and came to the conclusion that there was close to two million people there. Even the BBC reported it. The best thing about it was the police reported there were no arrests and when they left the place was clean. Unlike when Obamas inaugeration they were many arrests and it cost over a million dollars to clean up the mess.

Glenn Beck has never said one thing about violence and has even said dont do it. Bill O Reilly has stuck up for Obama many times. He has been very fair with him. But they did bring out the corruption at Acorn. It sure is funny how Al Franken got elected in a state where it has been proven Acorn registered 43,000 fraudulent people. Including Daffy Duck and Goofy. The lawyers would not give it up.

I live in Florida and watched the 2000 election very close. The closest Al Gore got was around 500 votes behind. The hanging chad debaucle. Every time I have voted I have looked at my ballot before turning it over. The worst part about it was the Dems lawyers would not allow around two thousand military votes because they were a few days late. Here are soldiers fighting getting shot at in a war zone trying to fill out their ballots and they were not excepted. That is just plain wrong. I don't care what side your on. Its not right to bus college students across state lines to vote in states where it is ok to register and vote in the same day.

With Acorn commiting all of this regisration fraud is that how you want power? That makes us no better then Iran or Afganastan or Venezuela.

Like I have said before. The corruption from special intrests and lobbyists are ruining our country. They do not care one bit about you and are just using you. They will rob you of your money and freedoms and just laugh in your face. You are nothing but cattle to them.

Enjoy your power and control. Enjoy forcing your agendas on people that dont want it. I have a prediction. The mid term elections you will lose big time because the ederly and main stream are seriously pissed right now. I also predict that Obama will lose reelection by huge numbers. America is waking up right now and are seeing that we have elected a Buffoon. You think the world will love us now, They are all laughing at you. Even the French President is laughing in your faces. Obama is giving away the farm and they laugh at him and gets nothing in return. You are following a whimp and a disgrace to our country.

I started a tea party chapter where I live. The funny thing about it there are just as many dems as repubs. We are all pissed about the way our country is going. I have just as many liberal viewpoints as I do conservative. Its called common sense. Most are mothers who want something for their kids to have and not leave them trillions of dollars in deficit. you can blame Bush for a 500 billion dollar one. But after that it is on you.

Its to bad when the white house sends emails to union thugs to bus people in to intimadate everyone at the town hall meetings. I have seen with my own eyes them starting shit just to try and get us to fight them. Then they say look, look they are violent. So far I have kept my temper but luckly they have not laid a finger on me. But I have seen them push people and it got real close to a major fight.

Is that what you are proud of?
Are you proud of the fact that your party is trying to squelch freedom of speech?
Is power and control so important to you?

You don't drive me nuts at all. I think its kinda funny. I just consider the source.

One thing I don't understand if you cherish and embrace facism, socialism and communism and follow the teachings of Mau. Then why don't you move to those countries. I am sure they would love to have you. Why do you have to overthrow our system? Why do you want to destroy our Constitution? The ways of our country were here long before you were born. If you would like I will gladly buy you a plane ticket to North Korea. One of my best friends is a Liberal and he is one of the most unhappy person I know. If you don't like America then just leave.

If that is the way you really want power by fraud and suppresion of freedom of speach, then don't be surprised if the shit hits the fan.

Hey white shark I will send you my Email address. I have some very interesting corruptions I have been working on. Its time to clean house.
 dancecard

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Is senator Graham calling it like it is?
Posted: 10/21/2009 1:46:48 AM
I think you to have been in the sun too long.

The media's Glenn Beck problem
October 16, 2009 10:26 pm ET

It's no coincidence that when members of the media talk about the media these days, they tend to talk about two things: the supposed importance of right-wing media like Fox News, and claims that the rest of the media lean to the left. The two concepts are fundamentally intertwined and mutually reinforcing -- and deeply flawed.

It may seem odd that much of the news media would simultaneously pronounce itself guilty of liberal bias and spend the year after a presidential election won convincingly by the more progressive candidate talking about the importance and influence of a conservative cable channel whose viewership consists of about 1 percent of the nation. But both of those somewhat inconsistent media memes can be explained by journalists' frequent inability to see where the center of the country really is. That inability makes journalists think they are further left of center than they actually are (even assuming they are at all to the left of center). And it makes them inflate the importance of right-wing operatives masquerading as media figures -- people who would have far less influence if actual reporters stopped buying their nonsense.

Their hateful views and adversarial relationship with the truth place the likes of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh on the far-right fringe of a party and movement that have lost the popular vote in four of the past five presidential elections and that holds only 40 percent of the seats in Congress. They are on the far-right edge of a party that is far to the right of the rest of the country.

And, it must be said, they do not tell the truth. They lie about things large and small. They lie to smear their adversaries, and they lie for no real reason at all. Their lies should disqualify them from ever being taken seriously. But instead, the media have decided that if anything they say turns out to contain a sliver of truth, everything they say must be paid immediate attention.

That's what happened when, after years of making absurd claims about ACORN -- remember the lie that ACORN was going to get billions of stimulus dollars? -- some conservative activists induced a statistically insignificant number of the organization's low-level employees to behave badly. The rest of the media rushed to cover the "scandal" -- and to beat themselves up for not having taken their cues from Beck & Co. sooner. The ombudsmen for the The Washington Post and The New York Times, for example, scolded their papers for being too slow to report on Beck-generated controversies and gave credence to conservative claims that the delay was the result of liberal bias.

What few journalists seem to understand is that once you accept someone like Glenn Beck as a legitimate media figure, it skews your view of the rest of the media. This is not a new phenomenon -- not by any means. More than two years ago, I argued that once you accept Ann Coulter, who calls John Edwards a "faggot," as a legitimate guest on shows like NBC's Today, New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd -- who merely calls Edwards a "girl" -- seems positively reasonable. Thus the entire media discourse is shoved in the direction of its least legitimate participants.

Yumm yumm ~ Love Glenn Lies ~ sometime you get a taste of the truth in every few bites.

Dance
 tranquilo123

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Is senator Graham calling it like it is?
Posted: 10/21/2009 5:30:49 AM

When Beck finally gets "stopped" remember how simple it was.


How are you going to stop him? His ratings are through the roof. You ever stop to wonder why so many people are flocking to him? Not everybody shares your view of how things should be. And it won't be as simple as you think. There's only two ways to do it--government intervention or assassinate him because the more you people attack him the more his ratings are going to go up, the more people will flock to him.


Well, I think that many of us have seen that picture. Yeah, Glenn Beck, the new version of Howard Beale! Glenn Beck bringing us God's message, telling us that we need to shout "We are as mad as hell, and we aren't gonna take it anymore!"

Do you think Glen Beck got his inspiration from the movie Network?

Funny that you are talking that one way to stop Glenn Beck is to "assassinate him." That idea also comes from the movie, except that the ones plotting to kill him on his show during the primetime live broadcast, were the same Network executives that created him to bump up the Network's rating. Killing him during his live broadcast, in their deranged minds, would just increase their ratings even more. Crazy fiction sh.t! However, people can conceive that type of plan, and even much worse stuff has been done in real life.

You will probably remember that those smart executives hired a gang of "terrorists" to carry out the assassination in front of the live cameras. So, would you think that rational people will believe for one minute that Glenn Beck, if ever he finds that fate of self-immolation for his cause, would be killed by a leftist radical group?

Would you be one of those that would think that the extreme right wing did it so that they could keep on attacking president Obama and blame him for the death of their hero, the voice of those who want their "liberty or death"?

You can call me cynical about this one, but I have seen the movie already. I wouldn't doubt it much that Beck's comrades would snuff him just to carry on with their crazy charade. The left is now a well disciplined coalition that despite some differences among their factions, they share some very important goals of changing this country and will not do anything to undermine the progress of that project.
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