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Posted: 10/29/2009 5:01:28 AM |
So, maybe Graham's comments were taken out of context, or maybe Graham never said them.
May be, but the link provided in the OP also includes the video of the event organized by the Atlantic magazine, which was shown by the major TV networks also. Just because you say that The Huffington Post is not a credible source is not going to make the story go away.
And, so, IF Graham did say those things
Well, CBS carried the same story, including the video. Check the link:
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/01/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5356087.shtml
Would that make it somewhat more credible?
As far as I know, you are the first person in the country questioning the veracity of the report. If you know better than us, then why don't you post the evidence that the Huffington Post published a false or distorted story? Or you are just making sh.t up hoping that by attacking the messenger the story will die?
As for me, I have enough proof that the story is true because I have seen the reaction from Beck, who went on a tear ranting against senator Graham in his show.
Check this video and see it for yourself.
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2009m10d3-Video-Glenn-Beck-responds-to-criticism-from-conservatives-like-Sen-Lindsey-Graham-and-David-Brooks
Do you think that Beck was punked or tricked, and fell into a trap? | |
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| Is senator Graham calling it like it is?
Posted: 10/29/2009 5:27:35 AM | Yeah -- Tranquillo
You are right! I did miss the OP’s last link. Graham did say SOME of the things the OP
alleged.
But, YOU missed MY links re: Huffington post:
It isn’t just ME who says the Post has been inaccurate on more than one occasion. So here they are again:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2009/10/15/huffington-post-pulls-bogus-limbaugh-quotes
http://politicalrepublicanopinion.com/political-republican/desperate-times-for-democrats-the-huffington-post-lies-again
http://theliepolitic.com/2009/04/the-lies-and-hate-of-the-liberal-huffingtonpostcom-dont-stop/
You also missed the major point of my post:
that just goes to prove that all us Right wing-nuts, Neo-Cons (or any other childish slur words one might want to call us ) really DON'T think in Lockstep.
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Posted: 10/29/2009 6:05:09 AM | No need to argue about the Huffington Post in this thread. Perhaps you could start a topic about that subject. Since I showed that the story would stand up on its own, without the support of the Huffington Post, I would rather stay on topic.
What is on topic is your assertion that the story may not be true or correct. Do you have anything to share about that issue?
As for the major point of your post, as you call it:
that just goes to prove that all us Right wing-nuts, Neo-Cons (or any other childish slur words one might want to call us ) really DON'T think in Lockstep.
I would add that the last election showed that when the Republicans abdicated their responsibility to be a party that would have the best interests of the country at heart, allowing the extreme right-wing nuts, the neo-cons and the religious fundamentalist factions to take over the party, the people punished them severely at the ballot box. For a long while it seemed that the Republican Party was marching in lockstep at the drums being banged by Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, and the other wannabees in the lower echelons of that contorted structure formed by the forced marriage of the Republican Party with the team of the talk show media.
Now, it seems that Graham is saying that the Republican Party got screwed in that deal, and is not willing to allow the extreme right tv and radio figures to continue having their way with the Republican Party.
So you are saying that the rift is happening. Then we agree. | |
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| Is senator Graham calling it like it is?
Posted: 10/29/2009 8:22:57 AM |
that just goes to prove that all us Right wing-nuts, Neo-Cons (or any other childish slur words one might want to call us ) really DON'T think in Lockstep.
Well there is enough of you that is doing that it's causing the rest of you problems. Like the shark, spreads his manure ~ generalizing and stereotyping while thinking he is unique and someway, an independent thinker and share with us the fine leadership qualities of Ronnie Reagan and his administration. ~ You remember the one that brought us , down sizing, junk bonds, leveraged buy-outs , hostile take overs, forced early retirement, Arms for hostages to Iran, Military base closings all over the nation, Wall Street Raiders, Corporate tax loopholes, 365 dead marines dead in one single blast, and then pulled out only to attack the evil nation of Gernadia weeks later. ~ showing US mighty power. Then a F14 strike on Kadaffa while missed the man's tent ~ but killed some of his children, losing one plane and pilot in the fray.
Yea, he was one hell of a leaders ~all guns and bullet ~ the rest of the nation not engage in such activities ~ could just suck a fish. Reagan would go after the "Tiddy Bowl Man" with a Full Naval Battle Bargade
The abrupt cut in Federal funding he imposed caused local governments, state and county to raise taxes ~ far beyond what benefit was gain by decreased Federal Taxes by the average America, the wealthy gaining the most benefit.
As a Mariner and Long shoreman I once had Free Heath Care ~ the reason, able bodied seamen ~ means just that ! Men work offshore must be able bodied, You are in a bad bind if you get sick or injured out at sea. You don't leave port sick or with bad teeth ~ Ronnies program killing that and it's been in effect since the later 30's ~ and no confinsation in pay. Just suck a fish.
You wish to call that a whine? ~ I call it disparity and changing the rules mid game.
And and this is the best mark of good leadership that white shark knows anything about?
I think you haven't suffered near enough or lost near enough ~ maybe you never had it to loose. ~ In any case ~ Ronnie Raygun's was a mixed bag of tricks ~ Nixon being a more able GOP leader by far. He was just a rascal and broke from the pressures of office.
One mark of a good president ~ is a president that works for the benefit of all of American and not just a few. Reagan didn't do that. The Bush's didn't do that. They all favored their friends and the elite, the Have's and Have Moore's .
Quit repeating everything you hear and have some thoughts of you own would be a pleasant change and good start in dispelling this notion of the GOP a party of "Lock Step"
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| Is senator Graham calling it like it is?
Posted: 10/29/2009 9:04:24 AM |
I would add that the last election showed that when the Republicans abdicated their responsibility to be a party that would have the best interests of the country at heart, allowing the extreme right-wing nuts, the neo-cons and the religious fundamentalist factions to take over the party, the people punished them severely at the ballot box. For a long while it seemed that the Republican Party was marching in lockstep at the drums being banged by Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, and the other wannabees in the lower echelons of that contorted structure formed by the forced marriage of the Republican Party with the team of the talk show media.
That was such a well written statement.
Guys... being a Republican and a Conservative doesn't make one a wingnut. Being a wingnut makes you a wingnut. It's denial to not recognize that Beck and Limbaugh are entertainers whose "act" is to be wingnuts. They make millions by being wingnuts. And it's so incredible that people allow them to speak for them... ludicrous that a political party honors them as their figureheads. DENIAL!
I'm a Republican and a Conservative and it boggles my mind that it doesn't infuriate ALL OF US that these entertainers have been granted a Messiah complex, have hijacked the party, and diminishes the values of Conservative beliefs. It should infuriate all of us. Because of this extreme radical element, our beliefs get less and less represented in government because independents, undecideds, and those of us that demand more substance from our choices than we're getting won't vote for those who have hitched their wagons to the Church of Limbaugh.
Don't shoot the messenger! (Graham).
FWIW, if you are a traditional Conservative and remember the GOP of decades ago there is a party that is now what the GOP once was. It's called the Libertarian Party. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 12:38:30 PM | So you are saying that the rift is happening. Then we agree.
No, what I am saying is: that although Conservatives are constatnly being accused of walking in lock-step by some forum posters - they don't.
Conservatives come with their own opinions, and levels of right-leaning -- just as Left-Leaners do.
So, to look for signs of a "Rift" (among Conservatives) in Mr. Graham's statements would simply involve Wishful Thinking.
That is the main focus of my post. That is certainly on-topic.
My reference to the Huffington Post came because it was the SOURCE of the article OP sited. That is on-topic, too. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 4:08:13 PM |
Then a F14 strike on Kadaffa while missed the man's tent ~ but killed some of his children, losing one plane and pilot in the fray.
Dance it was actually F-111's that made the strike. They had to fly from England around Spain to make the airstrike. France would not allow a fly over. I don't believe we lost a plane in that strike. I we lost one then it would have been two becase that is the crew of both aircraft. If we would have killed him, maybe the 747 blown up over Lockerbie would not have happened. Just pure speculation of course.
You remember the one that brought us , down sizing, junk bonds
Wasn't that under Clinton. Or was it Bundling bad loans that fannie mae bought. Because the great Democratic party forced banks to make loans, then told them don't worry we will buy them from you if they go into default. Clinton closed more bases than any other President. Reagan believed in a strong military. "Peace thru Strength"
Wall Street Raiders
And who contributed the most money to the Democratic party?
and then pulled out only to attack the evil nation of Gernadia weeks later.
I believe we went in there at first to rescue college students that were in danger. While we were there we just stopped a military coup.
Yea, he was one hell of a leaders ~all guns and bullet ~ the rest of the nation not engage in such activities ~ could just suck a fish. Reagan would go after the "Tiddy Bowl Man" with a Full Naval Battle Bargade.
Also ended the cold war without one shot being fired. But with one sentence.
The abrupt cut in Federal funding he imposed caused local governments, state and county to raise taxes ~ far beyond what benefit was gain by decreased Federal Taxes by the average America
Isn't that called Federlism. That is the meaning of conservatism. a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage) Sates to be made more responsible for the citizens than the Federal Government. Things run by a State should be theoretically easier to run because of the smaller amount of population. Lower regulations but the right regulations. Which we need to fix because there are some very stupid regulations right now.
As a Mariner and Long shoreman I once had Free Heath Care
Isn't that a union postion. Were you not afforded health care by the company you worked for?
And and this is the best mark of good leadership that white shark knows anything about?
I too thought Reagan was a good leader just as I thought that Nixon was a pretty good president. Reagan and Ike are the only Presidents elected in modern history that were not placed in power by a secret society. Skull and bones or the tri-laterals among a few.
One mark of a good president ~ is a president that works for the benefit of all of American and not just a few. Reagan didn't do that. The Bush's didn't do that. They all favored their friends and the elite, the Have's and Have Moore's .
So all the Dem Presidents think of everyone? Because if they do then thats cool. But I don't agree with that . Leave my F****g money that I make to me. Can I please have a little of my money to take care of myself and not the world. If I wish to give it to someone then give me that oppurtunity thru charity.
I have always giving to charities. 500 bucks a year. That might not sound like a lot but it was to me. This year I cant because the Feds are taking it to give to people I don't want to have it. So they can kiss my A*s.
Quit repeating everything you hear and have some thoughts of you own would be a pleasant change and good start in dispelling this notion of the GOP a party of "Lock Step".
In my opinion the GOP does not stand for conservatism any more, they have become just like the Dems. There are very few politicians left on both sides that share my view point on how the country should be run. I believe in the constitution and what it stands for. I loose more and more of my Freedoms every day. Freedom to keep what I make and to choose how to spend it. Freedom to make my own decisions about my life.
There is no differance in what our government is doing right now, than what England was doing to us when the Declaration of Independance was wrote.
Sane thinking Americans are very pissed at what is going on right now and are opening their eyes.
I don't see any jobs being created by this stupid stimlus bill. I don't see anybody getting anything unless you kiss the great ones ass. The Dems have no clue.
Is that what everyone wants? To be handed a little morsel of food for obediance.
If one has the smarts to make a ton of money by being innovative then they should be able to keep it. If they make it leagally. I don't want anything from the rich, I will make it on my own. I don't need to ride on their backs.
Graham is calling it as he sees it. Just as everyone that has an opinion. He needs to switch parties because its quite evident he is not a conservative.
All I know is everytime there is a Dem in office I don't have any work and everytime a GOP is in office I have a job. Even under Clinton I got layed off a lot. When I did work I was taxed out of this world. Carter I about starved to death. So how am I suppose to feel? | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 6:37:28 PM | Two USAF captains—Fernando L. Ribas-Dominicci and Paul F. Lorence—were killed when their F-111 was shot down over the Gulf of Sidra. On December 25, 1988, Gaddafi offered to release the body of Lorence to his family through Pope John Paul II. This turned out to be Ribas-Dominicci's body, which was returned in 1989. Lorence's remains were never found. The U.S. government stated that Libya denies holding Lorence's remains.
Michael Milken and the History of Junk Bonds
Junk bonds have survived a dramatic rise and fall in popularity, as well as heated controversy. Before the 1980s, few companies issued junk bonds. The only ones available were from established companies that had fallen on hard times. That changed in the late 1970s when young companies with no credit began issuing bonds that started out as "junk" in order to get off the ground. Junk bonds became a common investment tool by the early 1980s, setting the stage for the ambitious trader Michael Milken, who later became known as the "Junk Bond King." Slick Willy wasn't President until92
Okay so I identified the aircraft incorrectly ~ still not bad for "off the cuff" rhetorical commentary for a plumber. ~ but I appreciate your questions and keeping me honest.
I ~ get these brain locks at times ~ F F something ~ a special supersonic low flying bomber and air to ground platform . ~ Special plane for a special job ~ rarely used.
And Tiddy Bowl Man was a character standing in a 14 ft skiff with a captain's cap on and a commode brush in his hand , floating in a commode bowl selling bowl cleaner.
and Fish'en machine ~ Thanks ~ and yes ~ how can a black Granite wall make one weep ? ~ But it will.
Since you are down Houston way ~ ck out ~ Col. Fanning Monument at Goliad and read the plaques and listen to the wind blow. Take the back roads to Port Aransas for a fun weekend.
And you are buying the rescued students story ~ ? We can side bar the rest of your rebuttal if you wish ~ off topic and no need boring everyone with our little chat.
Reagan all but busted the unions , he hurt us ~ and still I carry some fondness for him as well. But Nixon was the leader of the bunch ~ and of coarse Cater was "ineffective"
Well you reverse the party and that's what I've been going through and that longer then your misery , so I win! ~damn I hate winning that way ! ~ We need some balance badly !
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Posted: 10/29/2009 10:30:44 PM | I'm read this thread from start to finish, lively and a great read from everyone.
looking at each poster input ~ I can't help from developing an appreciation for each one of you ~ You kept it clean ( save for a few times) and respectful. ~
It seem clear to everyone things can not continue in the direction they have been going. This" in it's self " is wonderful news and I hope this a promise of things to come.
We have weathered one hell of a storm of ideas, of guilt and blame and suffered great losses. And we do set off on new directions today.
While is does matter what happen "yesterday" , I'd not want our yesterdays to dictate our tomorrows. We can't ignore yesterday but we can't beat each other up with them either and expect some kind of positive results.
I personally can't imagine anyone wanting such a job as President ~ I don't have the mind for it or the patience. There is just so much that 's broken and the job seem so over whelming. It's all goes back to money, special interest and staying in power.
I do think the eyes of the nation are more focused on Capital Hill by more people then ever before in the history of the nation. Will this make a big enough difference to turn us away from our past course? I hope so. I do think pulling a fast one is much harder for them to pull off today. Just to thinking about all the "behind the scenes" conversations , deals and battles makes your head swim. ~ Like Harry saying " I'm not worried about Joe, Joe will be there" " ~ and Joe saying , "You better worry about me because I'll throw it into sudden death" ~ How much is real and how much of it is posturing? How much of it is said for who's benefit? ~ They might be doing and saying what they have to say to keep the position at the table. Timing being everything, You see their show card ~ but it whats in the hole that matters. Few things are approached head on, and all we got is talking heads telling us about it with commentary and hard news and our knowledge of history.
We all know a good day for the snake is a bad day for the frog.
I commend everyone for their insightful and lively posting. I commend Senator Graham for breaking ranks with his party and their failing approach to the business of the day. I wish him well and will support his efforts.
And Glenn Beck is right, things are a mess ~ but where was this" johnny-come-lately" when he could have made a difference and we needed him? We went through the "fear" stage some 6 or 7 years ago. If you are just arriving to the point of "fear" welcome, it will past and then you'll just be mad as hell and then that will past.
We don't need fear today ~ what was feared, has happened. ~ Now we are in the getting past it and moving forward stage and such talk is too late and unwanted by myself and the many others like me. The time for fear ~ has long since past.
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| Is senator Graham calling it like it is?
Posted: 10/30/2009 6:43:51 AM | Yea, he was one hell of a leaders ~all guns and bullet ~ the rest of the nation not engage in such activities ~ could just suck a fish. Reagan would go after the "Tiddy Bowl Man" with a Full Naval Battle Bargade.
Also ended the cold war without one shot being fired. But with one sentence.
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Pope John Paul 2 did a lot to bring down communism also, especially in his native Poland.
Reagan shouldnt get all the credit. | |
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| Is senator Graham calling it like it is?
Posted: 10/30/2009 9:19:30 AM | There is no doubt (amongst reasonable people) that the conservatives are the Masters of Whining. The list of imaginary problems that conservatoves whine about is nearly endless
1) Obama's a muslim
2) Obama's a socialist
3) Obama's a communist
4) Obama's a fascist
5) Obama hates white people
6) Obama's a Kenyan
7) The Homosexual agenda
8) The War on Christmas
9) The Bible is too liberal
10) We can't pray in schools
11) Evolution
12) Obama has "czars"
13) Obama raised our taxes
14) Obama is changing the entire nation
15) Obama has done nothing
16) Obama wants kids to stay in school
17) Michelle Obama grows her own food
18) Obama wants to kill your grandma
19) Obama is like Nixon
and then we can move onto their more petty whines such as "Obama didn't wear a flag pin" and "Obama and Michelle gave each other a 'terrorist' fist bump" | |
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Posted: 10/30/2009 11:11:12 AM | ^^You forgot to add that Obama did not place his hand over his heart during the singing of the National Anthem while attending a an Iowa campaign event in 2007.
Very Patriotic indeed. But hey I'm not whining about it, I'm just pointing it out.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Obama_doesnt_put_hand_over_heart_1022.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwog6E08CFU | |
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Posted: 10/30/2009 12:20:16 PM | It is interesting that all the attacks on Glen Beck have nothing to do with the information he is giving. The complaint must be that he shouldn't have the right to say anything not approved by Obama. Why not try answering the questions he is asking? The Obamanation can't because it is true.
Putting avowed communists and Mao enthusiests in the white house is definately the opposite of patriotic. It borders on treason.
If the left don't want to be labelled unpatriotic, maybe they shouldn't act so anti-american.
Changing America into some Marxist despot nation (Obama's plan of action) is not patriotic. It is treason!!!! | |
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Posted: 10/30/2009 1:02:08 PM | It is interesting that all the attacks on Glen Beck have nothing to do with the information he is giving.
Actually it is misinformation.
The complaint must be that he shouldn't have the right to say anything not approved by Obama. Why not try answering the questions he is asking? The Obamanation can't because it is true.
No he has every right to free speech.People also have the right to point out when he is distorting or outright lying.I would have a hard time believing anything beck has to say.
Putting avowed communists and Mao enthusiests in the white house is definately the opposite of patriotic. It borders on treason
If the left don't want to be labelled unpatriotic, maybe they shouldn't act so anti-american.
Glenn beck is the new Joseph McCarthy read up on beck's heroes and then come back and speak about who is being patriotic.
As for "a Marxist despot nation" Thorazine comes to mind hopefully some of you will up your dose.
Here well help you out on beck and his heroes....
What has Beck been pushing on his legions? "Leap," first published in 1981, is a heavily illustrated and factually challenged attempt to explain American history through an unspoken lens of Mormon theology. As such, it is an early entry in the ongoing attempt by the religious right to rewrite history. Fundamentalists want to define the United States as a Christian nation rather than a secular republic, and recast the Founding Fathers as devout Christians guided by the Bible rather than deists inspired by French and English philosophers. "Leap" argues that the U.S. Constitution is a godly document above all else, based on natural law, and owes more to the Old and New Testaments than to the secular and radical spirit of the Enlightenment. It lists 28 fundamental beliefs -- based on the sayings and writings of Moses, Jesus, Cicero, John Locke, Montesquieu and Adam Smith -- that Skousen says have resulted in more God-directed progress than was achieved in the previous 5,000 years of every other civilization combined. The book reads exactly like what it was until Glenn Beck dragged it out of Mormon obscurity: a textbook full of aggressively selective quotations intended for conservative religious schools like Utah's George Wythe University, where it has been part of the core freshman curriculum for decades (and where Beck spoke at this year's annual fundraiser).
But more interesting than the contents of "The 5,000 Year Leap," and more revealing for what it says about 912ers and the Glenn Beck Nation, is the book's author. W. Cleon Skousen was not a historian so much as a player in the history of the American far right; less a scholar of the republic than a threat to it. At least, that was the judgment of J. Edgar Hoover's FBI, which maintained a file on Skousen for years that eventually totaled some 2,000 pages. Before he died in 2006 at the age of 92, Skousen's own Mormon church publicly distanced itself from the foundation that Skousen founded and that has published previous editions of "The 5,000 Year Leap."
As Beck knows, to focus solely on "The 5,000 Year Leap" is to sell the author short. When he died in 2006 at the age of 92, Skousen had authored more than a dozen books and pamphlets on the Red Menace, New World Order conspiracy, Christian child rearing, and Mormon end-times prophecy. It is a body of work that does much to explain Glenn Beck's bizarre conspiratorial mash-up of recent months, which decries a new darkness at noon and finds strange symbols carefully coded in the retired lobby art of Rockefeller Center. It also suggests that the modern base of the Republican Party is headed to a very strange place.
Or perhaps this will help.....
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/ | |
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Posted: 10/30/2009 1:13:17 PM | Sorry Joe McCarthy was right! Soviet spies were found working in our government. Joe McCarthy was lied about by the left who have always admired communisum. Glen Beck uses the presidents and his cronies own words. So he must be messing with the tape. Maybe you have evidence of this. I say you need to put that up enstead of calling Glen a liar without any evidence that he is.
Either he is doctoring tapes or what he is showing is the truth. Since there is no evidence of the former the latter must be true. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2009 1:21:00 PM | 1) 5/21/09 I originally wasn’t going to use this because it really doesn’t have to do with politics. I don’t want all the wing nuts to cry “they are liberals” etc just because of the people in it, which really has nothing to do with this. However, Beck is caught in an obvious lie, then his body language goes crazy (like when you’re caught in a lie), then he explains that he is not an investigative reporter, not a reporter, but a commentator who does not check facts at all. Those are his words … not mine. Why would someone go on air and smear someone for no good reason? What kind of jerk would do this?
http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/05/21/glenn-…
2) 7/13/09 This next clip is Beck talking about Judge Sotomayor’s first day of conformation hearings for the Supreme Court. Keep in mind that the first day of the hearing consisted of opening statements by each member of the Senate Judiciary Committee and NO actual questioning … Beck obviously didn’t know or care that was the case before he began his bashing:
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/14/beck…
3) 1/7/08 & 5/12/08 This next clip is HILIARIOUS! This is a funny look at Beck being anti-health care at CNN then at Fox, Beck, all of a sudden loves health care. What a hypocrite! It’s funny how the clip is done. Enjoy this one … its funny.
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/08/14/b…
4) 4/21/09 This is a clip from Beck’s radio show. In the midst of urging his listeners to cut down old trees for Earth Day, Glenn Beck argued that carbon dioxide is not poison. Beck asked, “How can carbon dioxide be poison when it is naturally occurring and trees need it to grow?”
3 Steps to Prove that CO2 is Poisonous :
You will need a plastic bag, a role of tape, a friend (This test is also good for convincing your friends who don't believe that they need oxygen to survive).
1). Take the plastic bag, and put it over your head. (Note: Check the plastic bag for any holes before you place it over your head. The test will not work with a ripped or torn bag).
2). Have your friend securely tape the bag around your neck. (You could try to do this on your own, but it is much easier to have a friend do it for you).
3). Breathe normally.
http://www.politicususa.com/en/Glenn-Bec…
5) 7/28/09 These clips show Beck’s racist comments against Obama... He has now lost over 40 sponsors because of these comments. Very Disturbing … how can some of you take this guy seriously or support him in these comments? The first clip is from a center right morning show (on MSNBC) and don’t even come with “they are left wing loons.” The Morning Joe show is NOT a lefty show and the host, Joe Scarborough, who was not there this particular day, is a Republican and the panel is very bipartisan. The second clip is the entire interview on Fox and Friends. I love how Beck can contradict himself in less than 10 seconds … “I’m not saying that he doesn’t like white people … I’m saying he has a problem … he has a … this guy is, I believe, a racist.” Nice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtwjrXhB1…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ndc2LX2u…
6) 2/12/09 & 9/21/07 This is hypocrisy at its finest. In this clip Glenn Beck slams Jesse Jackson, saying that calling Barack Obama white is a "racist statement". Beck called Barack Obama "very white" on his radio show on February 12th.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0tgvWxC_…
7) 1/22/09 Glenn Beck lies about Obama’s swearing in by saying, “I checked. We have never had a president sworn into office without a Bible.” The problem here is in 1901 Teddy Roosevelt did not use a bible, Lyndon Johnson used a Catholic missal aboard Air Force One after Kennedy’s assassination, and John Quincy Adams used a constitutional law book instead of the bible. In fact, reading up on the history of the Presidential oath reveals Beck a liar. First clip is Beck’s rant and the second link is on the history of the oath.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/22/glen…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_off…
8) 9/12 rally Here Beck is on Fox and Friends quoting the university of “I don’t remember,” saying the 9/12 crowd was around 1.7 million people. Meanwhile all independent analysts, like the local fire department, put the crowd at the 9/12 Fox rally at around 50,000 to 70,000, which is more than generous. Beck is caught in another lie!
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/…
Again, you can find video evidence of beck being beck ... that's all you need!
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yahoo answers only allow 10 links .... I had more!
My favorite Beck bash is done by Olbermann on countdown http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzjS0Eufx…
1 month ago
Enjoy!
Extra! June 2009
Glenn Beck Is No Howard Beale
He’s mad like a Fox, and wants to take us in
By Steve Rendall
Fox News’ latest sensation Glenn Beck has invited comparisons of himself to Howard Beale, the barking-mad TV host in 1976’s black comedy Network, who urged viewers to throw open their windows and shout, “I’m as mad as hell and I’m not going to take this anymore.”
Beck recently told the New York Times (3/30/09): “I think that’s the way people feel. That’s the way I feel.” Beck has even played clips of Beale’s scenes on his show (Beck, 3/23/09).
Declaring one’s kinship with a fictional TV host famous for undergoing an on-air emotional disintegration would not normally recommend one to anchor a real national television news show. But Beck is on Fox.
And Beck is not entirely unlike the deranged Beale; both men describe the world in paranoid and apocalyptic terms while attempting to play on populist sentiment. But Beale, even in full-fledged madness, could still be relied upon to occasionally say something truthful and worthwhile. It’s unlikely that Beck would ever choose to speak truth to power the way Beale did when he learned that his cynical network was being bought by an even larger and more cynical conglomerate:
And when the 12th largest company in the world controls the most awesome goddamn propaganda force in the whole godless world, who knows what shit will be peddled for truth on this network!
Indeed, Beck’s jumble of false, contradictory and disingenuous commentary in the service of corporate power seems precisely the kind of programming Beale envisioned in his worst nightmares.
The Beale comparisons began after Beck jumped from CNN Headline News to his current job at Fox. Through years as a talk radio host and then Headline News anchor, Beck had been more or less faithful to the standard hard-right, GOP-aligned politics of conservative talk radio—he is well-practiced in such obligatory skills as immigrant-bashing, warmongering and Islamophobia (Extra!, 11–12/08)—though his embrace of violent rhetoric and fascist imagery has always put him at the extreme end of the talk radio spectrum. Beck’s record includes fantasizing about strangling Michael Moore with his bare hands, seeing Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D.-Ohio) “burst into flames” (AlterNet, 11/21/08) and warning that “Muslims will see the West through razor wire if things don’t change” (CNN Headline News, 9/5/06).
But since his Fox launch, Beck has recast himself as a populist who eschews both major parties. In a profile about his new show, Beck exclaimed to the New York Times (3/30/09), “Whatever happened to the country that loved the underdog and stood up for the little guy?’’
Along with his populist pretensions, the new Glenn Beck promotes ultra-right conspiracy theories and other apocalyptic and paranoid scenarios. For instance, Beck suggests Barack Obama is a “Manchurian candidate” because he uses a teleprompter (like virtually every other modern politician): “Who’s writing every word for this man?...We have a fraud in office, at least that’s the way it feels to me” (Think Progress, 3/25/09).
Beck has also suggested (Fox & Friends, 3/3/09) that the current government is taking us down the road to “socialism, totalitarianism, beyond your wildest dreams.” Beck cited as evidence the Birchite rumor that FEMA facilities were being converted to concentration camps: “I wanted to debunk them,” said Beck (Fox & Friends, 3/2/09). “We’ve now for several days done research on them. I can’t debunk them!” (Beck later renounced his support for the rumor and took credit for debunking it—Beck, 4/6/09.)
What’s more, this mad hash of right-wing populist paranoia is delivered in an urgent, hyper-emotional style, occasionally interrupted by the host’s weeping. “I’m sorry,” he cried on his March 13 You Are Not Alone special. “I just love my country. And I fear for it.”
That special, he said, was about unifying Americans in the spirit of “9/12,” a reference to the way Beck says we all came together the day after the September 11 attacks. Beck seems to have forgotten that his warm and fuzzy feeling on September 12, 2001 turned fairly quickly to loathing, as he admitted on his radio show on September 9, 2005: “You know it took me about a year to start hating the 9/11 victims’ families?”
But the entire premise of Beck’s show is to divide the country through the routine use of “us and them” dichotomies. “It seems like the voices of our leaders and special interests and the media [are] surrounding us,” said Beck during the special. But “the truth is,” he said, “they don’t surround us. We surround them. This is our country.”
The program played on popular economic fears and resentment over having to pay for corporate bailouts, framed in a larger portrait of a world in chaos: “It just seems like the whole world is spinning out of control,” said Beck. “War. Islamic extremism. Europe on the brink. Even pirates now.”
But don’t look to the government, he warned: “Our government is supposed to work for us. But it hasn’t heard us in a long time.” The anti-government disdain that pervades his programs is “not about politics,” says Beck. “You’ve been concerned about this country through the last administration and this administration—if you’re like most people, both administrations.”
Beck’s claim that Americans feel betrayed by both the Bush and Obama administrations is one of the central lies at the core of his show—and not just because “most people” approve of Obama. (An April 1–5 CBS News/New York Times poll found Obama with an approval rating of 66 percent—exactly three times Bush’s historically dismal 22 percent approval rating poll upon leaving office.)
More disingenuously, Beck clearly doesn’t believe in his own “pox on both their houses” bit. If he did, his show wouldn’t be a regular, friendly stop for former Bush officials, boosters and prominent neoconservatives. In his short run, Beck has already hosted Bush alumni Alberto Gonzales, John Bolton, Karl Rove and John Yoo. Other GOP and neoconservative stalwarts who have already appeared more than once in the show’s first few weeks include Rudolph Giuliani, Ann Coulter, Jonah Goldberg, Byron York, Michelle Malkin and David Horowitz.
While Beck lobs softballs to Bushies, Obama and his administration come under unrelenting, if frequently nutty, attacks. In one monologue (4/1/09), Beck raised right-wing fears about how “they” or “the government” were “going to nationalize our banks…put the government in charge of private payrolls…move to nationalize our auto industry.” He concluded that his earlier assessments of the nation’s ills had been wrong: “Our government is not marching down the road towards communism or socialism.… They’re marching us to a brand of nonviolent fascism, or to put in another way, they’re marching us towards 1984—‘Big Brother,’ he’s watching.” This monologue took place over a video backdrop of thousands of Nazis marching under swastika banners.
Beck was careful to say of his anti-government charges, “It doesn’t matter which administration we have in office.” But it obviously matters to him. If there is any evidence that Beck ever suggested, while the Bush administration was still in power, that it was “socialist,” “communist,” “fascist” or marching toward totalitarianism, we are unable to find it—even if he seems perfectly willing to throw the former president under the proverbial bus in the current, expedient moment.
It’s much the same with Beck’s populism. Subjects like poverty, homelessness and low wages don’t even register as concerns on his show, which regularly features friendly interviews with champions of the corporate elite, including Stephen Moore, Amity Shales, Arthur Laffer and Ben Stein. The “populist” Beck attacked foreclosure victims at the top of his You Are Not Alone special and complained that the United States had “the second-highest corporate tax rate in the world.”
If the anti-tax “tea parties”—with their mixture of populist rhetoric and corporate advocacy (Think Progress, 4/14/09), their lip-service to a bipartisan critique and their actual fidelity to the Republican Party—bear more than a passing resemblance to Beck’s new formula, that’s no coincidence. Beck’s influence over this movement has been substantial, and he tirelessly promoted the “tea party” events on his radio and TV programs. (The tea parties were brought up in 22 of his TV shows from February 20 through the day of the protests, April 15—when Beck did his show live from a tea party at the Alamo.)
With few exceptions, what Beck’s various campaigns and positions have in common is an antagonism toward the Obama administration, the Democratic establishment and anyone to their left. This is not only clear in the way Beck identifies with corporate interests and Bush stalwarts; his approach was made clear in an L.A. Times interview (3/6/09) in which he said Roger Ailes told him, “The country faced tough times…and Fox News was one of the only news outlets willing to challenge the new administration.”
“I see this as the Alamo,” Ailes said, according to Beck. “If I just had somebody who was willing to sit on the other side of the camera until the last shot is fired, we’d be fine.”
Poor Howard Beale, on the other hand, was eventually taken to the woodshed by his boss, who ranted at him:
You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale, and I won’t have it! Is that clear? You think you’ve merely stopped a business deal. That is not the case.... There are no nations. There are no peoples.... There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multinational dominion of dollars. Petro-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars, reichmarks, rins, rubles, pounds and shekels.
Following the scolding, Beale lost his edge and his ratings, and was eventually murdered on orders of network executives—with a narrator darkly intoning over the image of his lifeless body lying on the set, “This was the story of Howard Beale: The first known instance of a man who was killed because he had lousy ratings.”
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Posted: 10/30/2009 1:53:59 PM | 2,
Glenn Beck lied when he said recently that $1.4 million of stimulus momey was used to repair a door at Dyess AFB. The doors repaired were aircraft hangar doors and the cost was not $1.4 million.
The cost was $246000 out of $1.4 million in repairs funding.
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In June Beck lied when he said that the US was the ONLY country that had a natural birthright provision. Here is the list of other countries that do:
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/…
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jun/1...
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Glenn Beck lied when he said that the director of White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, "has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/…
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Glenn Beck lied when he said that when users used the government's cash for clunker site they had to agree that their computers would become government property.
http://www.snopes.com/computer/internet/clunkers.asp
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| Is senator Graham calling it like it is?
Posted: 10/30/2009 6:47:33 PM | Glenn Beck takes liberties with both the spoken word and the truth to entertain and mesmerize. He's an entertainer with no credentials, no formal education or OJT experience on the topics he discusses. ~ He 's showman, a pitchman in a third rate circus appealing to some people that have just recently woke up and tuned in ~ the late sleepers or people that just failed to see the disparity and impropriety many years ago ~ it was someone else pain and problem back then, some lazy under achievers ~ but today it's now theirs and they are very excited and fearful. 0
How this crowd affect the GOP ? or the DNC is unclear ~ Their numbers too small to really hurt or change much ~ Beck really is no offering a plan ~ only a reaction. More like a lynch mob.
" Com' on Sheriff ! Bring him on out here! We plan to give him a fair trial and hang him from the nearest tree. "
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| Is senator Graham calling it like it is?
Posted: 10/30/2009 8:02:50 PM | | Thank you dance I lean to the left sure but I am not in the crowd that thinks every single republican is evil.And theres some real loonies on the far left as well.But when you have a guy like beck distorting the truth and outright lying I call them out on it.And im sorry anyone who;s hero is McCarthy seriously need;s to read a history book.This is the guy who called Eisenhower a commie.And with no proof except slander and waving a piece of paper around destroyed many lives. | |
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| Is senator Graham calling it like it is?
Posted: 10/31/2009 2:49:56 AM |
And with no proof except slander and waving a piece of paper around destroyed many lives
I know you accept everything the Daily Kos tells you as fact but maybe you should do some research. There were Communist spies in The Roosevelt and Truman administrations. Alger Hiss was one of them. The Verona Project proved this and McCarthy right. The US was reading Soviet cables but for McCarthy to come out and say so would have alerted the Soviets to what we were doing.
Whose lives did he destroy? Typical liberal rhetoric. And even if he did, aren't we all responsible for own happiness? But give me some names of lives he actually, personally destroyed?
And for being such a terrible man, McCarthy was a great friend to The Kennedy family. Weren't they Democrats? The Kennedy clan loved him.
Liberals love to whine and cry, McCarthyism, and feign outrage when confronted with the truth. It's why they run to the government and try and stifle free speech with Net Neutrality and The Fairness Doctrine. It's why their opinions always fail in the private sector because they're worthless. They need government support like with everything else. Any speech right of Mao for them is considered McCarthyism and treason. | |
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| Is senator Graham calling it like it is?
Posted: 10/31/2009 7:34:39 AM | .
There were Soviet spies ? Really? All we have now are spies from Israel............
Tail Gunner Joe and Ron Reagan .... He was the Hollywood rat.. protected us from people like Pete Seeger...........
He could not protect us from Commies like Ike and Truman.............
He was a clown that ruined many lives....
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| Is senator Graham calling it like it is?
Posted: 10/31/2009 8:24:59 AM | Some "people" don't know how to communicate their thoughts ideas and beliefs without polarizing ~ with large sweeps of a wide brush and throw the liberal label around.
Where it's they know no other words ~ or they have been programed this way ~ I'm not sure.
But it does little to enhance communicate or to get ones point across. ~ It's more in the pitch man style ~ much like a down home, fire and brimstone pentecostal revival. ~ Either you came to listen to it and believe already or you see and heard things that make you think , "this man is nuts"
If it wasn't for the progressive party ~ most of us would be living like Mexicans , ~ in family units all crowded together with extended family and dirt floors.
There is evil, disparity and hyprocricy that exist in all parties. ~
McCarty was obsessed and overreacting, willing to throw the baby out with the bath water, willing to burn down the barn to get rid of the rats. Willing to suspend the bill of right to address an issue he seen as most pressing. Again , a lynch mob mentality much like "shark" and his friend Beck offer us today.
Beck is looking for disciples to spread the word and rise up and be counted and effect change. Seems he's found a few. Well, that's all fine and good I suppose. But if they are all that knowledgeable or that "bright" why are they so "LATE" getting to the party? For it started many years ago.
It's kinda like someone has sit on their ass for years as others did the heavy lifting and crying out for people to wake up and "SEE" while "all media " was painting a rosy picture of life in America. ~~ To complain and protect about all these bad decisions, improprieties, disparities you were met with people like "white shark" ~ wa wa ` your just a whiner , ~ because ? your a liberal, are lazy, a under achiever, a mailcontent, want something for nothing, a Give-me crats ~~ and on and on the labeling goes. ~
BUT NOW ! they see! and they whine and cry ~ and still they label " others"
for it not "them" ~ it's never "them" ~ it always "the other guys" ~ you know ~ the liberals?
Why would I want to listen to such a person? One that's so late to whine, cry and offer "ME" insights while scoffing me for the same thing? My losses mean little to such people , it's only when they feel threaten, or fear lose that matters my only guess. They act as if they might be the "Center of the Universe" and the rest of us are just bit part actors filling in the back ground of their world. The rest of us are just "props" and of no great importance.
That's the exactly the kind of people that got us in this predictament we find ourselves in today. Near sighted and callous indifference to anyone but themselves. It's not happening unless they say it happening.
To defend the positives of McCartyism is as easy as defending Stalinism, it can be done given a point of view. They were both willing to burn down the barn to address an issue they found undesirable. Willing to trample and destroy other people with the stroke of a wide brush for some perceived greater good.
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| Is senator Graham calling it like it is?
Posted: 10/31/2009 8:57:11 AM | It is interesting that all the attacks on Glen Beck have nothing to do with the information he is giving. The complaint must be that he shouldn't have the right to say anything not approved by Obama. Why not try answering the questions he is asking?
Ooooh...Now THERE is an intelligent question :)
That's the thing...it's often the fringe journalists that dig up the dirt FIRST. CNN sure as heck ain't going to report it.
One thing about Beck, if he sees something screwed up going on, whether by a Dem or a Rep, he screams about it...and it helps. By drawing attention to the things that politicians do on BOTH sides of the isle, he actually HELPS!
Look, we should ALL be watching FOX for an hour, then switching to HLN for an hour to get the full view. Both sides spin like a dirty dog...NONE are innocent. And YOU HAVE TO WATCH THOSE DIRTY POLITICIANS!!! I consider them nothing less than the second worst scum on earth, they're always trying to put something over on the people...so you have to CHECK carefully EVERYTHING they do!!
Example: Realize that the current health care bill has a requirement BACKED BY FINES if you do not have Health Insurance!!! Realize that those of us who are retired military are already covered by the VA's health care...why do we need to be FORCED to pay for insurance that we do not need?? There's no loophole for us to use to avoid the FINE. So we ARE FORCED to carry Insurance for things that are already covered for FREE by the VA.
See the problem??
We fought a war with the British over things like this...being FORCED to do things that aren't neccesary and aren't right.
Tends to peeve people of good consceince off. Tends to cause insurrection. Tends to cause...Tea Parties.
So I appreciate people like Beck...he warns us when Congress/President/Courts are doing something exceptionally STUPID.
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