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Posted: 10/7/2009 6:56:04 PM |
Oh and the extra time has allowed me to go hunting, freezer is full of deer meat!
Well done. The way he's turned i can't make out the horns but more catching to my eye is what looks like an antique machine gun above and behind you. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2009 4:11:32 PM | According to the CTV news tonight a tentative agreement has been reached between hydro and its striking workers. Dont know the details but glad to hear they are settling things. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2009 8:02:57 PM | | Did someone say there is an elecytion going on in Manitoba? Coincidence?? I think not. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2009 9:12:30 PM | | Inter-party leadership election. Doer is stepping down to be ambassador to the US. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 7:24:53 AM | | Dudley, are you talking about the diamond willow stacked in the rafters? I have been cutting it for something to do in my spare time. Or do you mean the ratchet bar from when I was a truck driver? | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 8:01:51 AM | | My cousin works for Hydro. When I talked to him he told me he's embarrassed that they are on strike because he makes good money, has good benefits and he enjoys his work. I thought that I would share that because not all employess agree with their unions actions. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 8:19:23 AM | | Hard to tell in that wee picture but being a metalic looking object i'd go with the ratchet bar, you'd think i'd know one after all these years. Too bad, a machine gun would be much more interesting and have more value to history. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 1:26:45 PM | marius, and does you 're cousin understand the concept of a democratic vote?...........obviously he is in the minority...........i have friends at hydro who tell me things are not that rosy...............and i have the same types of people at my workplace who cry about the way things are and yet vote not to strike because their kids in university need a new car and they can't afford to go on strike.............people don't strike just for money and benefits, sometimes it's about respect...............mostly money though, that's why i vote to go out............company has record profits and doesn't wanna shre?.............picket line time baby............ | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 1:46:51 PM | | Relax buddy, I'm just sharing what he told me. I don't know the ins and outs of the whole thing and frankly I don't care too. You guys have every right to do what you think is right. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 6:02:24 PM | Well i would vote for Hudro employees being put on a 3 year freeze of pay including management ....and Hydro using the resulting profits as well as what they currently are hiding to provide electricity to Manitobans at No Cost! They can afford to do it!
And frankly the employees and management are making far over the average wage of a Manitoban. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 6:05:06 PM | | marius............just want to say that please be careful about saying people dont all agree with their union's actions...........the union as a larger body doesnt put employees on strike....the affected employees vote on it.........the union cant go against that vote........just wanted to be clear about the process | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 6:05:32 PM | However, with this being Manitoba, I am sure aboriginal groups will protest that it would be unfair to give away Hydro power for free to all Manitobans and insist that they get paid for using Hydro power.
Wow! Talk about tempting kharma!! | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 10:32:44 PM |
company has record profits and doesn't wanna shre?.............picket line time baby.
Well i would vote for Hudro employees being put on a 3 year freeze of pay including management ....and Hydro using the resulting profits as well as what they currently are hiding to provide electricity to Manitobans at No Cost! They can afford to do it!
Why does the left insist on getting everything for nothing and want all wealth to be distributed to those who don't earn? If the wealthy weren't ambitious enough to produce and invest in growth we'd all be scavaging for an existence, why punish them for producing? | |
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Posted: 10/10/2009 11:53:01 AM | Many Companies will use a downturn in the economy to cut staff, cut pay and change the contract. They will do so whether they are doing well or doing badly because they are looking at staff as numbers , sometimes literally as employee numbers. Once that happens , you need a strong Union to help you negotiate.
Marius, there are many reasons why people vote for or against a contract. Your cousin may be new to any job market and enjoy having any salary at all. He may not have any family to worry about. He may be living at home and therefore lush. He may also not be aware of the necessity of your Union to ensure that he keep his job and keep a decent salary.
As a previous poster has said, each Union member has the right to vote for or against a contract using their own criteria. Being the majority of that workforce might be older adults with families and possibly the major breadwinners as well, they might have more of a vested intest in keeping the wages higher and therefore more likely to support their Union. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 7:17:04 AM | I absolutely agree with you which is why I said previously that they should do what they think is right. Sometimes unions strikes are good, sometimes they are bad. For example, auto workers preferred risking being completely out of work because of bankruptcy rather than make sacrifices to their wages. That was there decision and I don't know if it was goor or bad because it's still too early to tell. Obviously there are many problems with that industry starting from the top all the way to the bottom.
I have no opinion for or against the strike, there is usually some type of union strike every year. It's a fact of life. Again, each employee and the union must do what they think is right and best for them. Everybody wants a higher wage, I certainly can't fault them for that. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 9:10:38 AM |
I have no opinion for or against the strike, there is usually some type of union strike every year. It's a fact of life. Again, each employee and the union must do what they think is right and best for them. Everybody wants a higher wage, I certainly can't fault them for that.
Considering it takes money from your pocket you should maybe start forming an opinion about it. Considering the totalitarian and terrorist tactics the unions use maybe an opinion would be in order. That employee who is as happy as a pig in sh1t doing his job and just wants to work will be delayed, beaten and spat upon and like as not his vehicle vandalized by the strikers and when it's done he'll also be put out of work by the union. It's not like these are decent people joining or running these unions. If they want to bargain that's fine, if they want to strike that too is fine but let each employee do as is his will without fear of retribution from those who don't happen to agree with his decision. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 1:38:37 PM | | dudley ,not clear on the concept of a union ,are you?..............if the majority decide to go out and any that defy that, pay the consequences.........same as when a law or motion is passed..........get with the program or pay the consequences...............those that go against the grain, get chafed...............nobody wants to go on strike, but then again, nobody wants to have to go and protest against what they think is not right either, but they do for the greter good............and next time you look at your paycheck, realize that it is a direct result of a union demanding better wages and benefits that trickle down and help the majority in the long run................ | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 2:28:39 PM |
Considering it takes money from your pocket you should maybe start forming an opinion about it. Considering the totalitarian and terrorist tactics the unions use maybe an opinion would be in order. That employee who is as happy as a pig in sh1t doing his job and just wants to work will be delayed, beaten and spat upon and like as not his vehicle vandalized by the strikers and when it's done he'll also be put out of work by the union. It's not like these are decent people joining or running these unions. If they want to bargain that's fine, if they want to strike that too is fine but let each employee do as is his will without fear of retribution from those who don't happen to agree with his decision.
Let me point out a few examples of how wrong you are:
1. How exactly does MY paying union dues take money out of YOUR pocket?
2. One member, one vote is not totalitarian. That's called the democratic process.
3. Please give examples of "terrorist tactics". For every one you can give me on the union side, I can give you 3 where the shoe has been on the other foot and strikers have been beaten, harrassed, and intimidated by management and their goons.
4. The worker who is "happy as a pig in shit" didn't have a problem being paid the higher wages and benefits that being a part of a union shop gave him before the strike, did he? If he or she is morally opposed to being in a union, they have every right to work for lower wages and crappier benefits somewhere else.
From Jack London:
After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, he had some awful substance left with which he made a scab.
A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue.
Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles.
When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and angels weep in heaven, and the devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out.
No man (or woman) has a right to scab so long as there is a pool of water to drown his carcass in, or a rope long enough to hang his body with.
Judas was a gentleman compared with a scab. For betraying his master, he had character enough to hang himself. A scab has not.
Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage.
Judas sold his Savior for thirty pieces of silver.
Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commission in the British army.
The scab sells his birthright, country, his wife, his children and his fellowmen for an unfulfilled promise from his employer.
Esau was a traitor to himself; Judas was a traitor to his God; Benedict Arnold was a traitor to his country.
A scab is a traitor to his God, his country, his family and his class. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 5:42:54 PM | Long as the benefits/disadvantages of unions are being tossed around, does anyone have the data on what is necessary for a non-unionized company to become unionized?
If I'm not mistaken, the process is slanted heavily in favour of union organizers ( thanks a lot NDP). | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 5:46:49 PM | | Lots of religious overtones in post # 43. If the bible & God is part of your argument, post the relevant chapter & verse you want to use, don't just toss the bible & god's views around. If there isn't an appropriate chapter and verse then using the bible as part of your argument is bee ess. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 7:03:48 PM |
Lots of religious overtones in post # 43. If the bible & God is part of your argument, post the relevant chapter & verse you want to use, don't just toss the bible & god's views around. If there isn't an appropriate chapter and verse then using the bible as part of your argument is bee ess.
Pick up a book on occasion, Sue. The quote was from Jack London, author of "Call of The Wild" and an avowed atheist (as am I). I suggest a trip to the library for you, or as you and Dudley would call it, the "liebarry". I realize that your reading is limited to Tom Brodbeck columns which you then regurgitate on these forums, but you should give it a try. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 7:13:09 PM |
and next time you look at your paycheck, realize that it is a direct result of a union demanding better wages and benefits that trickle down and help the majority in the long run................
My paycheque has nothing to do with any union, i'm self employed.
1. How exactly does MY paying union dues take money out of YOUR pocket?
Union dues are a tax exemption on income tax so they cost the unionized labourer nothing while the rest of the workforce subsidizes the unions who keep pushing the prices of everything up by demanding more and more money for less and poorer work.
2. One member, one vote is not totalitarian. That's called the democratic process.4. The worker who is "happy as a pig in shit" didn't have a problem being paid the higher wages and benefits that being a part of a union shop gave him before the strike, did he? If he or she is morally opposed to being in a union, they have every right to work for lower wages and crappier benefits somewhere else.
Number 2 may be misconstued as being democratic until you bring in number 4 which is totalitarian.
3. Please give examples of "terrorist tactics". For every one you can give me on the union side, I can give you 3 where the shoe has been on the other foot and strikers have been beaten, harrassed, and intimidated by management and their goons.
Where do we start, how about with buying government, especially the NDP. Threatening to put companies out of production and actually doing so. Destruction of company property, harrassing relief workers, refusing to deal honestly and fairly with management on all levels, ensuring workers who should be fired and probably jailed maintain their employment. The list goes on and on. You figure you can claim a 3 to 1 ratio from historic reference and that is supposed to give the unions a free reign, for how long? Is this supposed to be into perpetuity? "They did this 100 years ago so we get to do it for the next 1000 years"?
If i want to work for any company doing whatever i have the constitutional right to do so. If i find a company that will hire me and i see an advantage to work for that company i should be able to deal with management on my own terms for whatever pay and benefits i can wrangle out of them. What deal i strike is nobody's business but mine and managements, now you want to tell me that because you think you need someone else to be your backbone i shouldn't be allowed to work at the same company unless i join your gang? That is totalitarian cowardice. We have enough legislation and checks in place that all a man needs to deal effectively with his employer is the will and the courage to do so. This gang mentality is ludicrous and desolves into mob mentality when in strike position. It is a good place for the useless worker to find a home though. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 8:19:03 PM | | I asked for specific incidents and you give me opinions and generalities. Your happy worker (were you the shitty pig in your story, Dudley?) still has the right to quit his union job and work for the non-unionized company down the street, but he won't, because like every coward who's ever stabbed his co-workers in the back and crossed a picket line, he's perfectly happy with the increased pay and benefits that being in a union brings, until it's time for him to sacrifice a little - that's when he cries about how it's not fair. You like to throw around words like "fascist" around, yet you don't seem to appreciate or respect how a democratic vote works. The majority of members vote for strike action, and the union complies. You would rather have 99 people miserable with the situation because one ass-kisser doesn't want to strike? I guarantee that lost production due to low morale and increased sick leave would cost the company much more than a strike would. A strike may last a week or two at best, but if you've got a company full of unhappy workers, that's an on-going situation that can stretch out over years. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 9:15:15 PM | I think me or whoever should not be denied work at a company simply because some union boss wants to collect off every paycheque coming out of that company. We should have the right to work in a so called union shop without being forced to join a union. I don't see them as union owned businesses and the management should have the right to hire non-union workers if they so desire and non-union workers should be able to work there if they so desire. The union should not be able to dictate who can and cannot be hired nor work in any given workplace, that is facist. The non-union employee would simply make a contract with the company for whatever he could get, has nothing at all to do with what the unionized workers get. I understand fairness is beyond the union comprehension but if you take it slowly and follow the words, you may get it.
I guarantee that lost production due to low morale and increased sick leave would cost the company much more than a strike would. A strike may last a week or two at best, but if you've got a company full of unhappy workers, that's an on-going situation that can stretch out over years.
The loss in production from unionization does cost companies over the longterm. Being forced to keep nonproductive workers costs. The knowledge that they have impunity encourages workers to be lazy and unproductive and that costs companies plenty. A strike is nothing cost wise in comparison to the costs associated with the lackluster job of a unionized employee but is a good terrorist tactic for forcing the will of the union czar on the company. You go on about democracy and freedom, when it becomes a secret ballot in the vote then it will be a democratic process. A show of hands in a room full of union thugs is hardly democratic. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 9:15:47 PM |
Pick up a book on occasion, Sue. The quote was from Jack London, author of "Call of The Wild" and an avowed atheist (as am I).
I'm familiar with Jack London. If you'll read whatI said & not what you think I said you'd see that I stated there were religious overtones in your post, not biblical quotes. I guess your limited intellect means you can't form opinions of your own & have to quote other people's opinions.. when I quote newspaper columns ( not just Brodbeck) it's to start a discussion thread and I follow with my own opinion & words.
It appears it's OK for you to "regurgitate" on these forums; hence your quoting Jack London.
And as a matter of fact I'm a voracious reader. I'd recommend "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand be made compulsory reading in our high schools. Even if you don't agree with objetivism it could trigger some good discussions in the classroom. | |
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