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Posted: 10/13/2009 9:19:22 PM |
One member, one vote is not totalitarian. That's called the democratic process.
That's the democratic process; pity the unions in Manitoba don't follow it. When a union wants to move into a place of business here they only need a set percentage of the employees to agree to joining the union ( 60 % I believe but I may be mistaken) & the union becomes certified there with no secret ballots, no 1 vote per employee. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 9:29:30 PM |
I asked for specific incidents and you give me opinions and generalities.
no you asked for examples
3. Please give examples of "terrorist tactics". For every one you can give me on the union side, I can give you 3 where the shoe has been on the other foot and strikers have been beaten, harrassed, and intimidated by management and their goons.
(were you the shitty pig in your story, Dudley?)
I am a sh1tty pig but not that one. I had to stand on principle and turn down some easy, good paying jobs because i refuse to join a union. I am glad i did because although i didn't make as much money as others doing the same work i got by and never had to lower my standards in my work nor my conscience. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 9:30:38 PM | Hey banditto!
Since you don't mind getting down dirty and personal in your posts, let me ask you exactly why are you here anyway? Was it just to support labour movements right to strike ? Or do you have another agenda?
I have taken the time to read a number of Dudds posts on different threads and while I don't always agree with him....(and you are right, his comments that refer to "fascism" maybe unwarranted) he doesn't deserve to be belittled and abused for his opinion.
Its this sort of aggressive argumentation doesn't surprise me that you are an athiest...for that is the common tactics many athiests use.... the attitude of "superior intellect" to over power and conquer! And its all smoke mirrors and B.S.!
Frankly, I detest this non-consilatory, disrespectful and MEAN method of debating. It causes more division and more anger rather than positive acceptance and growth.
So on topic...do poeple and unions have the right to strike...you bet! Thats an intrical part of our capitalist society. Should they always have that right? Are they at times unjustified in striking! In the words of Sara Palin : "Ya betcha!" | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 9:35:30 PM |
That's the democratic process; pity the unions in Manitoba don't follow it. When a union wants to move into a place of business here they only need a set percentage of the employees to agree to joining the union ( 60 % I believe but I may be mistaken) & the union becomes certified there with no secret ballots, no 1 vote per employee.
Come on susancd look on the bright side at least the unions can go into a workplace and disrupt the production and describe to the employees how they are being raped and mutilated by their employer without fear of that same employer having a say in the matter. The union can disrupt all they want yet the guy who owns the company cannot say one word to employees to refute the union's claims no matter how unfounded. Not facists though those unions huh. I thought it was closer to 51 or 52%. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 9:50:37 PM | Since you don't mind getting down dirty and personal in your posts, let me ask you exactly why are you here anyway? Was it just to support labour movements right to strike ? Or do you have another agenda?
You got me. I'm furthering the islamo-fascist-socialist agenda, and our plan is finally coming together. Our operatives have placed Obama in the White House and Gary Doer (or as we call him, Der Doer) as our direct pipe-line to the most powerful nation on Earth. Fools. Don't you see it's already too late? Ahahahahahaa!
Naw - seriously, I just like stirring up shit. This place is Dullsville. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 9:58:54 PM |
I thought it was closer to 51 or 52%
I think it's 60 % but as I said I may be mistaken; I did a quick search at the govt of Manitoba site ( why is it the "labor & Immigration Dept." ? seems those are important enough to be seperate departments).
But even if it is 51 or 52 % for automatic union certification I'd bet a bundle that the reverse isn't true, that if 85 % of the members of a local wanted to be de-certified and become a non union workplace that isn't allowed ( to protect the worker of course ).. so where's the democracy? | |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 5:53:21 PM | Arty Banditto, lets really get into this....was it %51% or 52% OR was it %52% or 51%...or may it have been 60% ......I am sure that at least 20% were held at gun point and told what to vote!
By the way! Why does majority rule? Since 75% of the population doesn't have a clue and another 2% are intellectual athiests( do your own reference work) wouldn't it make more sense and get better results if we just had the leaders dual it out in a sword fight! "THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!!" | |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 6:19:50 PM | | So who care what it takes to get or get rid of a union? If they were a real problem for workers you would hear them screaming about it. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 7:44:00 PM |
So who care what it takes to get or get rid of a union? If they were a real problem for workers you would hear them screaming about it.
It's about the process actually, the way the system is set up to hinder the companies yet encourage the growth of the unions. Even if it is a problem for the workers they wouldn't scream until the union told them to, they can't think for themselves that's why they get the union to begin with. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 8:56:27 PM |
they can't think for themselves that's why they get the union to begin with.
I'm a (somewhat) happy union member. People cooperating with each other have way more power than people who want to exploit others.
Thank you Dudley for that assessment of my abilities. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 9:14:14 PM |
I'm a (somewhat) happy union member. People cooperating with each other have way more power than people who want to exploit others.
So the fellow who wants to get by on his own or the workers who use collective bargaining without forming a union are exploiting who?
You should be extremely happy in a union you have impunity at work unless you go against the union and all it costs is a few pieces of silver and your soul.
Thank you Dudley for that assessment of my abilities.
Don't take little things like that personally it's a generalization and i'm biased through years of battling the evil that comes with these unions. I'm growing weary of it and bitter towards them in my old age. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 9:24:40 PM |
you have impunity at work unless you go against the union and all it costs is a few pieces of silver and your soul.
Not with what I do. I can be fired. I'll take the silver and keep my soul - thank you very much.
Don't be bitter - you have the rest of your life to experience. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2009 6:19:20 PM | You know what I seem to get from some of the posting is that society and people within it could not survive and prosper without unions....yet I have not belonged to a union since I was 22 years old....34 years later I survived ...without once belonging to a union.
Does that mean that unions serve no purpose....no....and does that mean I hated to be in a union when I was in one....no....
Unions have had and can have some value....but more than once i worked for companies who did not want a union "shop" and were successful in keeping unions out because they treated their employees fair and well..si no they are not always needed
And yes I have worked at places where a union would have been appreciated because how badly they treated their employees.
These comments are neither fascist,socialistic, democratic, anacharic, demonic, teutonic nor pontiac....its just ...is! | |
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